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NYC Terror Plot Suspect Charged with Conspiracy to Detonate Bombs
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MEGAN CHUCHMACH
ABC News
September 24, 2009
AG Holder said “any imminent threat arising from this case has been disrupted…we remind the American public to be vigilant and to report any suspicious activity to law enforcement.”
Najibullah Zazi, the 24-year-old airport shuttle driver from Denver, Colorado who officials say was the ringleader of an alleged terror plot against New York City, was charged with conspiracy to use explosive bombs Thursday morning – the latest indication that authorities still believe the alleged attack plan was “the real deal.”
The one-count indictment returned by a federal grand jury alleges that Zazi “conspired with others to use explosive devices against persons or property in the United States,” Attorney General Eric Holder said in a statement.
Zazi and his father Mohammad are in Colorado court this morning for a detention hearing. Mohammad Zazi, charged with lying to federal agents, is expected to be released today. The government is asking that his travel be restricted to Colorado and that he be fitted with an electronic monitoring bracelet.
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September 24th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
FAKE!
Vote Third Party Now Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
He pissed someone off.
http://www.Vote3rdPartyNow.org
More Dead Innocents ? Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
http://www.lucasgray.com/video/peacetrain.html
Red Dawn 09 Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
They have to keep the fear level high so people dont wake up to fast. Thast our job. Wake as many as you can for the ones that wake up cannot go back to sleep so it is a one way wave. Click my name for solid information. Movies,blog’s,video’s,text and for when your head is to full of information games. Newly awakened patriots welcome. Updated daily.
Corporate Death Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
“wake up to fast”
Would they be waking up to not eat?
“too fast” bubba….
jack Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
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JoinThe 9-11-Revolution Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Jack,
Beck is a farce. A Zionist, 9-11 Truth denier and FEMA camp denying stooge that wants all Ron Paul supporters arrested. We are not interested in his shams. He wouldn’t cover any of the stuff on Infowars. You might wish to check the site address you are at again, this is not the neocon hangout.
FightOrDie!!! Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Jack – Glenn Beck is a Shill. Everybody knows that. Time to wake up buddy!!! Watch him flip flop on the fema camps subject: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izjfdfDHjWQ
midst Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
insight into these BS Terrorists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCfJ5MNzLqM
malcolm x in the middle Reply:
September 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
TRUE, ALL muslims are terrorists, you stupid ASS!!!!
Katalyst Reply:
September 30th, 2009 at 10:24 am
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September 24th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
He works for the CIA!
sumsrent Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Agreed…
What kind of an idiot that looks just like a terrorist, dressed like a terrorist, smelling like a terrorist goes into a store to buy chemicals?
It was obvious that he was a terrorist! A planted terrorist!
All for the purpose of another bomb scare!
September 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I am not and wont be impressed by this until i see REAL evidence.
witman Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Evidence will be secret. You cannot see it!
September 24th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
FALSE FLAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET READY, GET PREPARED, TO DEFEND OUR NATION!
September 24th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
YAWN-Try harder-The game is up and your credibility is shot MSM and Governement-Just perpetuating the fear and propoganda to carry out your lies and deceit-Go to hell…….
Any journalists reading this-If you are covering up for these lies you are an accessory to murder and have bllod on your hands by not exposing 9/11 and 7/7…
September 24th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
there is NO evidence. i saw the local news in denver. It made me want to throw up. My friends were watching it too. the fear conditioning never stops.
roaddog6 Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
I remember when the msm started useing the term “oh, scary” with almost every story they would do. It was disgusting then and it still is.
September 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
While most are distracted by this non-issue, I wonder how many more billions have leaked out of the treasury.
September 24th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
.. another fake, another lie… so WW3 is arund the corner
September 24th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
No one trusts this government and the media. Who knows if this stuff is true.
nader paul kucinich gravel Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Just one more AIPAC Neocon patsy?
September 24th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
This story is a part of a much bigger story, do your homework and you will see for yourself.
September 24th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
There ARE NO TERRORISTS people.
Al-Qaida is CIA- its all a hoax!
The only Terrorists is existance are the Int’l JEWISH elite based in the CITY of London, UK.
They fund muslim extremeists to do their bidding for them.
http://templemount.50megs.com
September 24th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I hope it does fail I hope their is a free market patriot constitutional
REVOLUTION I hope that all the lying bankers and ceo’s making millions a year
while the average american struggles to make ends meet
when you have 28 million people on food stamps
that simply means that the other two hundred and fifty million are fucking selfish and wont share
YOU want to know whats wrong with america obama says he is a christian
but believes in KILLING BABIES
gods word is true all the fucking screaming from the fucking idiots that wont look into it wont change a dam thing
you can argue gravity all the way to the ground and then
its the one that says its real and has a parachute that is proved right
north america sat by and watched as africans were slaughtered with machettes
he who CLOSES HIS EARS TO THE CRY OF THE POOR WILL HIMSELF CRY OUT AND NOT BE HEARD
I LOVE IT
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infowars.com
henrymakow.com
goodnewsaboutgod.com
END THE FED by ron paul
DID YOU KNOW INCOME TAX IS I L L E G A L !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I AM SERIOUS there is no law allowing the IRS TO COLLECT INCOME TAX
we need to wake the FUCK UP
we NEED RON PAUL AS PRESIDENT
and HE WONT NEED SECRET SERVICE TO PROTECT HIM
five thousand americans can volunteer every week
tired of feeding other peoples' kids Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
You know what? I’m tired of feeding twenty eight million people who won’t get off their asses and cut grass or pick vegetables or anything else they could do to make money.
You can get paid one hundred dollars to cut an acre lot in America today, right now. You can buy a lawnmower for two hundred dollars, a weedeater for a hundred and fifty and go door to door looking for work. In one day, you could be flush with your startup equipment costs.
There are small market farmers who would love to pay you in food for helping them get their crops out to the market all summer long.
Americans don’t want to get their hands dirty, they want Mexicans to do it. Then they want to bash the Mexicans because they are “dirty” people.
Americans were all dirty people in the last depression. Look at some pictures. You want to see thousands of depression photos, go look at the Library of Congress website.
But don’t sit here and whine about all the underprivileged assholes on foodstamps. If you are expecting other Americans to feed your lazy ass, you are one of the sources of the excessive taxation going on right now. There is NO excuse for laziness and being unwilling to go out and work hard to make a living. I know disabled people who work harder than most perfectly healthy people.
No one owes you a damn thing in this country. That is what Self Sufficiency and Responsibility are all about. Taking care of yourself first, then taking care of those that you can help out. If everyone did that, we wouldn’t have any problems.
If people cleaned up their own basement when the river fills it with mud and quit running to f-ing FEMA to take care of them, we wouldn’t have half the problems we have now.
I’m sick and tired of busting my ass and making my own way while fifty percent of everything I make is taken away from me to feed some lazy scumbags.
I’m tired of paying extra taxes on my cigarettes to pay for the health care of poor peoples’ children. My children didn’t have healthcare when they were young and still wouldn’t qualify today. So, I have been paying for all of your lazy asses my entire life, as if I lived in China or the USSR. Now it is getting worse.
Screw you and the high horse you can barely hang onto moron.
bebe Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
tired of feeding other kids, the thing is the economy is trashed, so you can’t find work even if you knock on doors, and also, the govt. takes such a huge portion of the tax money and only give a few percentage points of it to actual welfare, so it’s wrong to blame people. people need to eat you selfish bastard.
B_C Reply:
October 1st, 2009 at 3:48 pm
The economy IS trashed, but YES you can find work knocking on doors. Now IDK about someone who lives in the city but in the real world there is work to be found. Granted, it’s not enough to keep your beemer and send your kids to a private school but, in my opinion, there are VERY few cases of real need for assistance or food stamps. I personally live below the poverty level and have most of my adult life. But I don’t receive assistance even though I qualify. Just because I was born in America doesn’t ENTITLE me to any lifestyle or standard of living. Robin Hood economics simply doesn’t work. Never has…. never will.
September 24th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
There is no forceful solution to a spiritual problem.
September 24th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
THIS GOVERNMENT CANT EVEN SCAM PEOPLE ANY MORE,THEY REALLY DO SUCK.THIS IS LIKE THE FIFTH ATTEMPT TO FALSE FLAG,AND IT HAS FAILED.TO SAVE FACE,THEY WILL MAKE MORE SHIT UP IN THE NEXT FEW DAYS.CORKY COULD MAKE UP BETTER SHIT.
September 24th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
2,000 years ago Jesus tried to warn us, but few would listen.
He was correct. People still won’t listen, but time is short.
911 was not done by Alicia, Not done by our Government, Not done be England, Not done By Israel, But I know Who.
Is is just a rehearsal for what is coming.
Fuck Jesus Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Fuck Jesus you idiot. Your Savior on a Stick was just fine until Christianity twisted him into whatever sick idea of Christ you idiots follow today. All your hatred of everyone who looks different, acts different, believes different. Jesus Christ wouldn’t put up with your type in his time and he sure won’t be happy with your lame ass when you are finally put out of your misery and are standing in front of him. So fuck you and fuck him. That’s all you are good for. Making the man into a whore for all your f’d up Christian problems.
Defenderoftruth Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
You will surely burn! Blasphemer!
sobber Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
jesus is as fake as terrorists attacks. its not a person its an idea. most psychics portrate Jesus as a toll grey allien exploiting the concept for his agenda…
tom slick Reply:
September 24th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
you don’t make any sense. unless you’re trying to tell him you’re an idiot asshole in a roundabout way.
Keith Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I might understand your having issues with other people, but why the negative commentary concerning Jesus ?
September 24th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
What’s Alicia?
September 24th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Is this another FBI operation like in the 93 WTC bombing ?
September 24th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
A taxi cab driver conspiring with al-Qaeda to build weapons of mass destruction. And nothing about this sounds crazy or contrived to the geniuses on TV. Glenn Beck believes it.
sobber Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
well said
September 24th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
This shit’s comin’ in real handy for you know who !!!
September 24th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
Can I get an electronic bracelet to wear for my protection?
LOLOLOLOL
PATSIES!
September 24th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
DENVER COLORADO IS WHERE THE NEW CIA STATION IS,,,OOOOOPS!
September 24th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Hey everyone. I am not the usual blogger, in fact, this is my first time typing a messg in anywhere. This messg is for those out there who are teetering the fence, wondering what to believe – what is truth, what is false. About a year ago I ran into a website that changed my life forever. It is bascially a news website that posts articles from different parts of US/world. I kept reading stuff that was totally out of the “mainstream,” and at the end of the day I wondered if what I was reading about the U.S. from overseas sources was actually true. Well, a year later, after having reflected on all the notes/articles I kept and made, I realized that most of the info printed overseas was true. There is news going on that you will never hear about in the U.S. Stuff is happening now that I read about a year or so ago, which really opened my eyes CONSIDERABLY. I encourage every single person reading today to double and triple check EVERYTHING to see what is truth. You will be very, very amazed at what you find. In a nutshell, sadly, Americans are being lied to in many respects, and yes, there is more going on that we know little or nothing about. Christian or non-Christian does not matter. If you love your freedom and appreciate the blood that many brave souls shed for the freedom that you have today, then please, do your homework, because things are going to change very soon if we do not wake up and see with open eyes. As for the Zazi incident reported above, I have been looking hard, but cannot find any news article that specifically states what he did, except to be an “alleged” terrorist with “alleged” ties. Don’t know about you, but “alleged” does make me pause for a second and question whether something about this story sounds a little “off.” I keep asking, “Where’s the concrete proof that he is a terrorist?” If I wait for the solid proof, I may be waiting a long, long time. Thanks.
Danny Cunnington Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 6:46 am
When scanning articles like this you are basically reading prepared propaganda. If you cannot find any clear cut and specific evidence but only heat generalities and “alleged” (without stating exactly who is doing the alleging), it’s always false. If they have to invent a terrorist threat, then clearly they don’t have enough “terrorist threat” the keep the public in a state of fear.
I checked all of the so-called terrorist threats including the ones in Europe and the UK. Usually, terrorists are arrested in a fanfare of trumpeting propaganda but if you keep tabs, later when enough time has passed and the public are been threatened with new threats they are quietly released and charges dropped. Alternatively, most so-called plots have a military intelligence operative who usually turns out to be the ringleader who without which, there would have never been a terrorist plot in the first place.
The only conclusion is that these are government terror plots designed to terrorize and mislead the very people that they claim to serve.
If you consider that all of the major attacks in New York, London and Spain were clearly false flags carried out by military intelligence and that no real terrorists have ever come to light who were not contrived by the state then it becomes clear that the whole war on terror is a fake and an illusion cut from whole cloth. The only terrorist threat comes directly from your own government and that they have demonstrated that they will mass murder their own people for the sake of theatre.
Check out the government sponsored terrorist agenda and see how many multiple scary threats they are trying to pull off. 1. Muslim terrorists 2. WMD in Iraq and now Iran (Not a shred of supporting evidence and Iraq has already proven that it was a state sponsored lie). Economic collapse (caused by the state and their banksters) 3. World war three (By starting a nuclear war with Iran on false pretenses) 4. Global warming propaganda claiming (without evidence) that your children are going to fry in a burning hell). 5. Global pandemic of swine flu (which is relatively harmless for which the government sponsored solution is to inject you with a unknown and toxic substance and lock up in a concentration camp any who refuse.
These are five government sponsored terror/fear mongering threats. They are been played out in concert. It’s pretty clear that the ultimate target of all of this is the human race. They intend to kill or totally enslave us. They are attacking us like a rabid pack of sick dogs. We have to defend ourselves and have the right to do so unlike them.
The criminally insane are in fact terrified cowards (bullying is a dead give away). They are terrorizing us because we terrify them because their foul deeds cannot be hidden indefinitely. We need to robustly defend ourselves because it is clear that they want us on our knees and begging them for mercy (Which of course will give them a good laugh). We outnumber them many thousands to one and lairs and cheats never fight fair. We can definitely defeat them once we realize that their contrived threats are merely shadows.
September 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
New york, dallas, illinois, whats next…………………..perhaps pittsburg? Psyops definetly.
September 25th, 2009 at 5:01 am
lol!!!!!!!! Middle-eastern looking guy with the beard and all…. nice touch!!! lol!!!
roaddog6 Reply:
September 25th, 2009 at 7:31 am
look at how unsophisticated these “plots” are compared to 911. 911 was done by the gov’t with lots of money and backing. These new jihadists are just being set up by the gov’t. Hell, they’re probably agents themselves. Hey look, the gov’t is here to protect us. Please. Talk about transparent.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Wow good work maybe now you might be able to find John Doe #2? The guy seen on tape getting out of the Ryder truck with Timmothy McVey at E.R. Morrow building in O.K. him he’s still out there but the executed his partner, doh!
All the terror suspects being busted they must be looking for someone to admit to putting explosives in the WTC. (Admit to it but didn’t actually place them there.)
The Terror suspects they keep digging up kinda look like pansies to me, or just dumbasses that talk and get talked into.
September 25th, 2009 at 8:50 am
A person would have to be stupid to actually report something these days the police think the person who reported it is a likely suspect.
September 27th, 2009 at 4:17 am
PROOF that Alex Jones is WHITEWASHING Ron Paul:
Ron Paul speech:
“Mr. Speaker, I support President Bush and voted for the authority and the money to carry out his
responsibility to defend this country, but the degree of death and destruction and chances of
escalation must be carefully taken into consideration.”
source: http://www.house.gov/paul/cong.....092501.htm
“death” and “destruction” is what Ron Pauls vote gave to iraq and afghanistan on Bushs side .. Ron Paul is guilty on massmurder on 2 countries … and Alex Jones tires to whitewash the truth … he calls Ron Paul a “hero” .. oh .. when you attack to countries you are a “hero” Alex Jones heh ? You are sick.
You guys who call these 2 morons heros are complete uneducated morons without logic thinking.
Who supports Ron Paul supports a massmurder .. who supports Alex Jones supports his whitewasher and LIAR …
JTCoyote Reply:
September 27th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Dev,
The speech you refer to was given 14 days after 9/11… you have parsed out one phrase that in itself only gives the president constitutional authority to defend the country… and then he says “but”, the chances of escalation are great and must be carefully taken into consideration… throughout the entire speech he carefully lays out the constitutional authority and extols Congress to stay within constitutional bounds based upon evidence and not emotion… the only rational voice in the days and weeks after 9/11!… You sir are a “spinning like a top” MORON!
Here is the entire speech:
September 25, 2001
Ron Paul speech in the House of Representatives
Mr. Speaker:
Last week was a bad week for all Americans. The best we can say is that the events have rallied the American spirit of shared love and generosity. Partisanship was put on hold, as it well should have been. We now, as a free people, must deal with this tragedy in the best way possible. Punishment and prevention is mandatory. We must not, however, sacrifice our liberties at the hand of an irrational urgency. Calm deliberation in our effort to restore normalcy is crucial. Cries for dropping nuclear bombs on an enemy not yet identified cannot possibly help in achieving this goal.
Mr. Speaker, I returned to Congress 5 years ago out of deep concern about our foreign policy of international interventionism, and a monetary and fiscal policy I believed would lead to a financial and dollar crisis. Over the past 5 years I have frequently expressed my views on these issues and why I believed our policies should be changed.
This deep concern prompted me to seek and receive seats on the Financial Services and International Relations Committees. I sought to thwart some of the dangers I saw coming, but as the horrific attacks show, these efforts were to no avail. As concerned as I was, the enormity of the two-prong crisis that we now face came with a ferocity no one ever wanted to imagine. But now we must deal with what we have and do our best to restore our country to a more normal status.
I do not believe this can happen if we ignore the truth. We cannot close our eyes to the recent history that has brought us to this international crisis. We should guard against emotionally driven demands to kill many bystanders in an effort to liquidate our enemy. These efforts could well fail to punish the perpetrators while only expanding the war and making things worse by killing innocent non-combatants and further radicalizing Muslim peoples.
It is obviously no easy task to destroy an almost invisible, ubiquitous enemy spread throughout the world, without expanding the war or infringing on our liberties here at home. But above all else, that is our mandate and our key constitutional responsibility- protecting liberty and providing for national security. My strong belief is that in the past, efforts in the US Congress to do much more than this, have diverted our attention and hence led to our neglect of these responsibilities.
Following the September 11th disasters a militant Islamic group in Pakistan held up a sign for all the world to see. It said: AMERICANS, THINK! WHY YOU ARE HATED ALL OVER THE WORLD. We abhor the messenger, but we should not ignore the message.
Here at home we are told that the only reason for the suicidal mass killing we experienced on September 11th is that we are hated because we are free and prosperous. If these two conflicting views are not reconciled we cannot wisely fight nor win the war in which we now find ourselves. We must understand why the hatred is directed toward Americans and not other western countries.
In studying history, I, as many others, have come to the conclusion that war is most often fought for economic reasons. But economic wars are driven by moral and emotional overtones.
Our own revolution was fought to escape from excessive taxation but was inspired and driven by our desire to protect our God-given right to liberty.
The War between the States, fought primarily over tariffs, was nonetheless inspired by the abhorrence of slavery. It is this moral inspiration that drives people to suicidally fight to the death as so many Americans did between 1861 and 1865.
Both economic and moral causes of war must be understood. Ignoring the importance of each is dangerous. We should not casually ignore the root causes of our current fight nor pursue this fight by merely accepting the explanation that they terrorize us out of jealously.
It has already been written that Islamic militants are fighting a “holy war”- a jihad. This drives them to commit acts that to us are beyond comprehension. It seems that they have no concern for economic issues since they have no regard even for their own lives. But an economic issue does exist in this war: OIL!
When the conflict broke out between Iraq and Iran in the early 1980s and we helped to finance and arm Iraq, Anwar Sadat of Egypt profoundly stated: “This is the beginning of the war for oil.” Our crisis today is part of this long lasting war over oil.
Osama bin Laden, a wealthy man, left Saudi Arabia in 1979 to join American- sponsored so-called freedom fighters in Afghanistan. He received financial assistance, weapons and training from our CIA, just as his allies in Kosovo continue to receive the same from us today.
Unbelievably, to this day our foreign aid continues to flow into Afghanistan, even as we prepare to go to war against her. My suggestion is, not only should we stop this aid immediately, but we should never have started it in the first place.
It is during this time bin Laden learned to practice terror; tragically, with money from the US taxpayers. But it wasn’t until 1991 during what we refer to as the Persian Gulf War that he turned fully against the United States. It was this war, said to protect our oil that brought out the worst in him.
Of course, it isn’t our oil. The oil in fact belongs to the Arabs and other Muslim nations of the Persian Gulf. Our military presence in Saudi Arabia is what most Muslims believe to be a sacred violation of holy land. The continuous bombing and embargo of Iraq, has intensified the hatred and contributed to more than over 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq. It is clear that protecting certain oil interests and our presence in the Persian Gulf help drive the holy war.
Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy which inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been going on since the Crusades 1000 year ago. We ignore this history at our own peril.
The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the Gulf of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a warning we ignored.
Furthermore, our support for secular governments in the moderate Arab countries is interpreted by the radicals as more American control over their region than they want. There is no doubt that our policies that are seen by the radicals as favoring one faction over another in the long lasting Middle East conflict add to the distrust and hatred of America.
The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few. And now the innocent suffer.
I am hopeful that shedding light on the truth will be helpful in resolving this conflict in the very dangerous period that lies ahead. Without some understanding of the recent and past history of the Middle East and the Persian Gulf we cannot expect to punish the evildoers without expanding the nightmare of hatred that is now sweeping the world.
Punishing the evildoers is crucial. Restoring safety and security to our country is critical. Providing for a strong defense is essential. But extricating ourselves from a holy war that we don’t understand is also necessary if we expect to achieve the above-mentioned goals. Let us all hope and pray for guidance in our effort to restore the peace and tranquility we all desire.
We did a poor job in providing the security that all Americans should expect. This is our foremost responsibility. Some members have been quick to point out the shortcomings of the FBI, the CIA and the FAA and claim more money will rectify the situation. I’m not so sure. Bureaucracies by nature are inefficient. The FBI and CIA records come up short. The FBI loses computers and guns and is careless with records. The CIA rarely provides timely intelligence. The FAA’s idea of security against hijackers is asking all passengers who packed their bag.
The clamor now is to give more authority and money to these agencies. But, remember, important industries like as our chemical plants and refineries do not depend on government agencies for security. They build fences and hire guards with guns. The airlines have not been allowed to do the same thing. There was a time when airline pilots were allowed and did carry weapons, and yet this has been prohibited by government regulation set to go into effect in November.
If the responsibility had been left with the airlines to provide safety they may have had armed pilots or guards on the planes just as our industrial sites have. Privatizing the FAA, as other countries have, would also give airlines more leeway in providing security. My bill, HR 2896, should be passed immediately to clarify that the federal government will never place a prohibition on pilots being armed.
We face an enormous task to restore the sense of security we have taken for granted for so long. But it can be done. Destroying the evildoers while extricating ourselves from this unholiest of wars is no small challenge. The job is somewhat like getting out of a pit filled with venomous snakes. The sooner we shoot the snakes that immediately threaten us, the sooner we can get safely away. If we’re not careful though, we’ll breed more snakes and they’ll come out of every nook and cranny from around the world and little will be resolved.
It’s no easy task, but before we fight we’d better be precise about whom we are fighting and how many there are and where they are hiding, or we’ll never know when the war is over and our goals are achieved. Without this knowledge the war can go on for a long, long time, and the war for oil has already been going on for more than 20 years. To this point, our President and his administration have displayed the necessary deliberation. This is a positive change from unauthorized and ineffective retaliatory bombings in past years that only worsened various conflicts.
If we can’t or won’t define the enemy, the cost to fight such a war will be endless. How many American troops are we prepared to lose? How much money are we prepared to spend? How many innocent civilians, in our nation and others, are we willing to see killed? How many American civilians will we jeopardize? How much of our civil liberties are we prepared to give up? How much prosperity will we sacrifice?
The founders and authors of our Constitution provided an answer for the difficult tasks that we now face. When a precise declaration of war was impossible due to the vagueness of our enemy, the Congress was expected to take it upon themselves to direct the reprisal against an enemy not recognized as a government. In the early days the concern was piracy on the high seas. Piracy was one of only three federal crimes named in the original Constitution.
Today, we have a new type of deadly piracy, in the high sky over our country. The solution the founders came up with under these circumstances was for Congress to grant letters of marque and reprisal. This puts the responsibility in the hands of Congress to direct the President to perform a task with permission to use and reward private sources to carry out the task, such as the elimination of Osama bin Laden and his key supporters. This allows narrow targeting of the enemy. This effort would not preclude the president’s other efforts to resolve the crisis, but if successful would preclude a foolish invasion of a remote country with a forbidding terrain like Afghanistan- a country that no foreign power has ever conquered throughout all of history.
Lives could be saved, billions of dollars could be saved, and escalation due to needless and senseless killing could be prevented. Mr. Speaker, we must seriously consider this option. This answer is a world apart from the potential disaster of launching nuclear weapons or endless bombing of an unseen target. “Marque and reprisal” demands the enemy be seen and precisely targeted with minimal danger to others. It should be considered and, for various reasons, is far superior to any effort that could be carried out by the CIA.
We must not sacrifice the civil liberties that generations of Americans have enjoyed and fought for over the past 225 years. Unwise decisions in response to the terror inflicted on us may well fail to destroy our enemy, while undermining our liberties here at home. That will not be a victory worth celebrating. The wise use of marque and reprisal would negate the need to undermine the privacy and rights of our citizens.
As we work through this difficult task, let us resist the temptation to invoke the most authoritarian of all notions that, not too many years ago, tore this nation apart; the military draft. The country is now unified against the enemy. The military draft does nothing to contribute to unity nor, as the Pentagon again has confirmed, does it promote an efficient military.
Precise identification of all travelers on all our air flights is a desired goal. A national ID issued by the federal government would prove to be disastrous to our civil liberties and should not be considered. This type of surveillance power should never be given to an intrusive overbearing government, no matter how well intentioned the motives.
The same results can be better achieved by the marketplace. Passenger IDs voluntarily issued by the airlines could be counterfeit-proof; and loss or theft of an ID could be immediately reported to the proper authorities. An ID, fingerprints, birth certificates, or any other information can be required without any violations of anyone’s personal liberty. This delicate information would not be placed in the hands of the government agents but could be made available to law enforcement officers like any other information obtained with probable cause and a warrant.
The heat of the moment has prompted calls by some of our officials for great sacrifice of our liberties and privacy. This poses great danger to our way of life and will provide little help in dealing with our enemies. Efforts of this sort will only punish the innocent and have no effect on a would-be terrorist. We should be careful not to do something just to do something- even something harmful.
Mr. Speaker, I fear that some big mistakes could be made in the pursuit of our enemies if we do not proceed with great caution, wisdom, and deliberation. Action is necessary; inaction is unacceptable. No doubt others recognize the difficulty in targeting such an elusive enemy. This is why the principle behind “marque and reprisal” must be given serious consideration.
In retaliation, an unintended consequence of a policy of wanton destruction without benefit to our cause, could result in the overthrow of moderate Arab nations by the radicals that support bin Laden. This will not serve our interests and will surely exacerbate the threat to all Americans.
As we search for a solution to the mess we’re in, it behooves us to look at how John F. Kennedy handled the Cuban missile crisis in 1962. Personally, that crisis led to a 5-year tour in the US Air Force for me.
As horrible and dangerous as the present crisis is, those of us that held our breath during some very tense moments that October realized that we were on the brink of a world-wide nuclear holocaust. That crisis represented the greatest potential danger to the world in all of human history.
President Kennedy held firm and stood up to the Soviets as he should have and the confrontation was resolved. What was not known at the time was the reassessment of our policy that placed nuclear missiles in the Soviet’s back yard, in Turkey. These missiles were quietly removed a few months later and the world became a safer place in which to live. Eventually, we won the cold war without starting World War III.
Our enemy today, as formidable as he is, cannot compare to the armed might of the Soviet Union in the fall of 1962.
Wisdom and caution on Kennedy’s part in dealing with the crisis was indeed “a profile in courage.” But his courage was not only in his standing up to the Soviets, but his willingness to re-examine our nuclear missile presence in Turkey, which if it had been known at the time would have been condemned as an act of cowardice.
President Bush now has the challenge to do something equally courageous and wise. This is necessary if we expect to avert a catastrophic World War III. When the President asks for patience as he and his advisors deliberate, seeking a course of action, all Americans should surely heed his request.
Mr. Speaker, I support President Bush and voted for the authority and the money to carry out his responsibility to defend this country, but the degree of death and destruction and chances of escalation must be carefully taken into consideration.
It is only with sadness that I reflect on the support, the dollars, the troops, the weapons and training provided by US taxpayers that are now being used against us. Logic should tell us that intervening in all the wars of the world has been detrimental to our self-interest and should be reconsidered.
The efforts of a small minority in Congress to avoid this confrontation by voting for the foreign policy of George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, and all the 19th century presidents went unheeded. The unwise policy of supporting so many militants who later became our armed enemies makes little sense whether it’s bin Laden or Saddam Hussein. A policy designed to protect America is wise and frugal and hopefully it will once again be considered. George Washington, as we all know, advised strongly, as he departed his presidency, that we should avoid all entangling alliances with foreign nations.
The call for a non-interventionist foreign policy over past years has fallen on deaf ears. My suggestions made here today may meet the same fate. Yet, if truth is spoken, ignoring it will not negate it. In that case something will be lost. But, if something is said to be true and it is not and is ignored, nothing is lost. My goal is to contribute to the truth and to the security of this nation.
What I have said today is different from what is said and accepted in Washington as conventional wisdom, but it is not in conflict with our history or our constitution. It’s a policy that has, whenever tried, generated more peace and prosperity than any other policy for dealing with foreign affairs. The authors of the Constitution clearly understood this. Since the light of truth shines brightest in the darkness of evil and ignorance, we should all strive to shine that light.
JTCoyoté
September 28th, 2009 at 9:27 am
YouTube Video: Alex Jones pulls gun and threatens
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfOoT2UyjEE
this is just ONE proof that Alex Jones is NO christian .. because GOD said: “You shall not kill.” – Period.
and i dont think he pulled this gun to hunt some food to eat …
– New Whitewash Order ( Alex Jones is whitewashing Ron Paul .. )
Danny Cunnington Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Oh come on NWO you will have to do better than that. Are you suggesting that all Christians in the US who have guns for the purpose of protecting life and liberty from deadly attack are not really christian?
“Thou shall not kill” is from the ten commandants. A later translation suggests it means “thou shall not murder”. Only criminals and outlaws bear arms for offensive reasons and they are heavily outnumbered by those who bear them for reason of rightful and lawful defense.
I notice the clip you provide has the sound deleted. How do you know he threatened if the audio has been been removed? But never mind, why don’t you entertain us some more by presenting evidence that Father Christmas is real?
September 28th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
my question is, when do we defend our nation? Because it seems like anyone who defends themself is labled agent provacatuer or patsie.
Danny Cunnington Reply:
September 29th, 2009 at 7:18 am
The answer is in the labeling. All this labeling is basically propaganda. The agent provocateurs are used as an excuse to attack peaceful protesters which can then be used to show what happens to people that protest government actions. The patsies have just been set up to take the fall for contrived terror plots.
You defend yourself at the point when the lives of you and your family are being threatened with deadly force. This could be mandatory toxic vaccines a siege to starve you out or a military assault. Store as much food as you can. refuse the vaccine and defend yourself from illegal seizure for not complying.
The first step is a bio weapon and next will be starvation through famine. If you have enough stored food they might be able to restrict your travel and communication but unless they directly assault you there’s nothing more they can do. The solutions are local. The more of your community act together the harder it will be for them to kill or imprison you
September 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
We The People are Moby Dick and it is time to sink the whaling vessel of the NWO!, exactly the same way a giant whale actually sank the Essex whaling ship – WHICH HAPPENS TO BE A REAL MARATIME FACT!!!
Don’t belive me, LOOK IT UP.
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September 30th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Official versionairies are funny sheeple..They get their proof from corporate snooze channels ha ha ha! Their official versions of truth is born in minutes with zero investigations…Look closer…look harder…look longer.
September 30th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
What happened on 911? Print this and spread it around.
http://www.thegoodseed.com/Wha.....On%209.pdf
October 1st, 2009 at 5:54 am
JTCoyote is an uneducated moron …