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Obama outlines policy of endless war
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Bill Van Auken
Global Research
July 20, 2008
Any misconception that Barack Obama is running in the 2008 election as an “antiwar” candidate should have been cleared up Tuesday in what was billed by the Democratic presidential campaign as a “major speech” on national security and the US war in Iraq.
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Speaking before a backdrop of massed American flags at the Reagan Building in Washington, Obama made it clear that he opposes the present US policy in Iraq not on the basis of any principled opposition to neo-colonialism or aggressive war, but rather on the grounds that the Iraq war is a mistaken deployment of power that fails to advance the global strategic interests of American imperialism.
What emerges from the speech by the junior senator from Illinois is that the November election will not provide the American people with the opportunity to vote for or against war, but merely to choose which of the two colonial-style wars that US forces are presently fighting should be escalated.
As in his op-ed piece published in the New York Times on Monday, his call on Tuesday for the withdrawal of US combat troops from Iraq was linked to the proposal to dispatch as many as 10,000 troops to Afghanistan to escalate the war there.
The thrust of Obama’s speech was a critique of the Bush administration’s incompetence in pursuing an imperialist strategy, combined with an implicit commitment to advance the same basic strategy in a more rational and effective manner once he enters the White House.
He summed up his policy as “a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq’s leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests.”
Obama reiterated his campaign pledge to bring US “combat brigades” out of Iraq within 16 months of his inauguration. After this “redeployment,” however, a “residual force” would remain in Iraq carrying out counter-insurgency operations, protecting US facilities and training and supporting Iraqi puppet forces—tasks that would undoubtedly keep tens of thousands of American troops occupying the country indefinitely.
Obama stressed that he would make “tactical adjustments” to his plan based upon consultations with “commanders on the ground and the Iraqi government,” suggesting that even the partial withdrawal he proposes would unlikely unfold as quickly as promised.
The speech was scheduled in advance of a “fact-finding” tour that Obama is set to embark upon in the next week, visiting both Iraq and Afghanistan and conducting meetings with US military commanders in both countries.
Obama began his speech by invoking the legacy of US imperialism’s strategy in the aftermath of World War II, when it acted to “foster new international institutions like the United Nations, NATO and the World Bank” and rebuilt shattered European capitalism through the Marshall Plan. He contrasted that six-decade policy with what he presented as the squandered opportunity for Washington to again seize global leadership following the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
“The world, too, was united against the perpetrators of this evil act, as old allies, new friends and even long-time adversaries stood by our side,” said Obama. “It was time—once again—for America’s might and moral suasion to be harnessed; it was time to once again shape a new security strategy for an ever-changing world.”
The starting point for seizing this golden opportunity, according to Obama, was to “have deployed the full force of American power to hunt down and destroy Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda, the Taliban and all of the terrorists responsible for 9/11, while supporting real security in Afghanistan.”
Instead, he charged, the Bush administration diverted these military resources into the war against Iraq, “a country that had absolutely nothing to do with the 9/11 attacks.” He continued: “By any measure, our single-minded and open-ended focus on Iraq is not a sound strategy for keeping America safe.”
This presentation is a gross and deliberate distortion of the motives underlying both the war in Afghanistan and the one in Iraq. Neither of them was launched with the aim of “keeping America safe,” but rather to advance definite strategic interests of American imperialism.
The central aim of the war in Afghanistan—planned well before the attacks of 9/11—was to take advantage of the power vacuum in Central Asia created by the Soviet Union’s dissolution to assert US domination over a region containing the second largest proven reserves of petroleum and natural gas in the world.
As for the supposed targets of this operation—Osama bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban—all of them are, in the final analysis, the products of US imperialism’s own bloody history of intervention in the region, particularly in the 1980s, when Washington poured billions of dollars into funding the Mujahedin forces fighting the Soviet-backed government of Afghanistan and the Soviet army when it intervened there. Among these forces were bin Laden and those who went on to set up both Al Qaeda and the Taliban.
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The legacy of this CIA-directed war was the devastation of Afghanistan and protracted political chaos, which Washington sought to curb by supporting the Taliban’s coming to power.
Now, nearly seven years after the US invaded Afghanistan, Obama proclaims, “As president, I will make the fight against Al Qaeda and the Taliban the top priority that it should be. This is a war that we have to win.”
To that end, Obama vowed to send “two additional combat brigades to Afghanistan” and to press Washington’s NATO allies to make “greater contributions—with fewer restrictions” in terms of deploying their own troops.
He continued by vowing to expand the intervention in Afghanistan into neighboring Pakistan.
“The greatest threat to that security lies in the tribal regions of Pakistan, where terrorists train and insurgents strike into Afghanistan,” he warned. “We cannot tolerate a terrorist sanctuary, and as president, I won’t. We need a stronger and sustained partnership between Afghanistan, Pakistan and NATO to secure the border, to take out terrorist camps and to crack down on cross-border insurgents. We need more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones in the Afghan border region. And we must make it clear that if Pakistan cannot or will not act, we will take out high-level terrorist targets like bin Laden if we have them in our sights.”
There is no evidence that US forces are fighting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan or that the bulk of those attacking American and NATO forces are following orders issued by the remnants of the Taliban. The Pentagon has not reported the capture of Al Qaeda operatives in the stepped-up fighting that has claimed the lives of 69 US and NATO soldiers in the months of May and June.
The reality is that the resistance to the US-led occupation has grown dramatically as a direct product of the escalating slaughter of civilians, as seen in the July 6 US air strike that killed 47 members of a wedding party, the vast majority of them women and children. Anger has also been generated by the arbitrary detention and frequent torture of those picked up by US units and Afghan puppet troops, as well as by the gross corruption of the US-backed regime of President Hamid Karzai.
In the attack on a US base last Sunday that claimed the lives of nine US soldiers, local villagers reportedly participated, providing direct support to the insurgents who carried out the assault.
With “more troops, more helicopters, more satellites, more Predator drones,” Obama is proposing to escalate this slaughter, which will generate greater resistance and an expanded war involving more US troops and, inevitably, their deployment across the border into Pakistan.
Obama vowed to beef up the US military for a war that threatens to prove far more intense than the one in Iraq. He called for an overall increase of American ground forces by 65,000 soldiers and 27,000 marines, and “investing in the capabilities we need to defeat conventional foes and meet the unconventional challenges of our time.”
Much of the media reaction to Obama’s speech centered on speculation over whether it was aimed at reassuring his Democratic base that he is still committed to effecting a withdrawal of US troops from Iraq, or if it indicated a further “move to the center” by stressing his willingness to use force as the US commander-in-chief.
In reality, the speech reflected what is becoming a consensus position within much of the American political establishment, Democratic and Republican alike. There is a growing conviction that the US can secure its strategic interests in Iraq with fewer troops and without expending the more than $10 billion a month that is compounding the deepening economic crisis of American capitalism.
To underscore this message, Obama was introduced Tuesday by former Democratic congressman Lee Hamilton, who, together with Republican ex-Secretary of State James Baker, chaired the Iraq Study Group, the bipartisan panel that called for a revamped US military and diplomatic policy aimed at salvaging the American intervention in Iraq.
Both Defense Secretary Robert Gates and the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Michael Mullen, have expressed concern that there are insufficient troop levels in Afghanistan to secure US domination of the country. They have indicated that they would like to deploy another 10,000 there—the same number proposed by Obama.
Even Bush, in a White House press conference Tuesday morning, sounded this theme, claiming that Washington and its NATO allies were already initiating a “surge” in Afghanistan.
As for the speech signaling a shift to the right, the reality is that Obama has sounded the same themes repeatedly since initiating his run for the presidency. While in the Democratic primaries he stressed his opposition to the 2002 Senate vote to grant Bush authorization to launch the Iraq war—a resolution that was supported by his principal rivals Hillary Clinton and John Edwards—he always made it clear that he embraced the ideological framework of the “global war on terrorism” used to justify both the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions.
Given this position and his subsequent votes to fund the war once he entered the Senate in 2005, there is little reason to believe that he would not have joined his rivals in giving Bush a blank check for an Iraq invasion had he been a US senator at the time.
Writing in Foreign Affairs a year ago, Obama stressed that the lesson of the Iraq debacle was the necessity to prepare for new US wars. “We must use this moment both to rebuild our military and to prepare it for the missions of the future,” he stressed. “We must retain the capacity to swiftly defeat any conventional threat to our country and our vital interests. But we must also become better prepared to put boots on the ground in order to take on foes that fight asymmetrical and highly adaptive campaigns on a global scale.”
While Obama’s “left” apologists will no doubt excuse the blatant militarism and warmongering in the candidate’s speech as a mere political device aimed at winning over “centrist” voters, the reality is that the candidate is spelling out what can be expected from an incoming Democratic administration in 2009.
Its policies will be determined not by the hollow campaign rhetoric about “change” that has been Obama’s specialty, but rather by the deepening economic and social crisis of American capitalism and the determination of the American ruling elite to continue using military force as a means of offsetting its economic decline.
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July 20th, 2008 at 11:43 am
I am Canadian, and as such, will not have to make a voting decision this fall.Voting Americans have my sympathy, as I have never seen such ridiculous options. Vote “Green”, I mean really, what do you have to lose?
July 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
“Obama summed up his policy as “a responsible redeployment of our combat troops that pushes Iraq’s leaders toward a political solution, rebuilds our military, and refocuses on Afghanistan and our broader security interests.”
(BS! Now that the Bush family friendlies, criminal in intent and Federal felons one and all, treasonous and guilty of high crimes, to include Halliburton and KBR, these and other corporations who stole hundreds of billions of our U.S. tax dollars to gorge themselves with ill-gotten gains and illicit profits at the loss and cost to our American families, and at the horrible expense of the Iraqis, and since the Hunt Oil Comany already signed papers with the Kurds who own most of the oil at Iraq is a done deal, why not terrorize the Afghanis next so that they can be obligated to furnish real estate to pipe the oil out of iraq for even bigger profits as that luckless country is drained of its lifeblood?
(Who is this imbecile meally-mouthed push-over wishy-washy flip-flopper gutless piece of s--- kidding?
This Obama is nothing more than a White ass-kisser who wouldn’t mind selling his own people to the Devil himself just to get away with that terrible crime upon the Americans he doesn’t respect, the U.S. laws he disregards, and the country he wants to demolish into a ‘Third World Dictatorship’, as he never had the decency to appreciate anything, or the human dignity to stand up for this United States of Americans he has no Black Roots to belong to just to become one of ours)! -Al Koppel.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
As for me, I will right-in Ron Paul. I never vote against one, I vote for something.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
http://www.veritas144k.com and http://www.thereignofchrist.org
I will go a step further and state that it is the United States who is being targeted as we speak.
On another front, the Muslim threat is greater than most people think. The Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) says: “I saw from the mouth of the dragon, and from the mouth of the beast, and from the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs.
For they are the spirits of devils, working signs, and they go forth unto the kings of the whole earth, to gather them to battle against the great day of the Almighty God. Behold, I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.” (Apoc 16:13-15). These Muslims are in every country of the world with their terrorist cells, ready to strike when the word is given to them.
The Saudis own most of Washington DC, as well as a great number of major buildings around the USA. The ‘Unholy Alliance’ which is the ‘eighth’ king has veto control of the UN, and they are aligning with the OPEC nations, as well as all countries from N. Korea, China, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, etc. The net is closing, and Europe and USA are afraid to stir the sleeping bear!
July 20th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
I have heard that Chuck Baldwin is a good candidate for Ron Paul supporters, but I may write in Ron Paul too. I still don’t understand all the hype surrounding Obama…sure, I have to admit that his speeches are captivating, but then I look at the reality of what he says he is going to do and what he actually ends up doing. I would never vote for Obama though I can understand why people would vote for him…too bad those people are too ignorant to see the real Obama, one whose ‘change’ will only bring ‘hope’ to elitists.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
what the f--- does Barack Usama Obama know about military strategy or anything about the military? Give me a break. Vote Baldwin people. Ron Paul has given up. We need to all unite under one candidate. A candidate that is in the race.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
I feel we need to confiscate all the ill begotten gains of the Federal Reserve and the New World Order, bring these monsters to trial and deal with them quickly….I think the rest of the world would join in with gratitude. Ron Paul has put it so clear an idiot could see…that if we get out of everyones affairs they might not hate us so badly. Also let’s let all these countries that have been draining our life blood figure out their own solutions. Let’s use tariffs to even the import/export playing field. Let’s look at all of the Congressional voting records and treat all of Congress according to fruits and deeds. Any treasonous members would be dealt with as such.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
as Deek Jackson says on the Fukin Newz, we are nothing but Rockefeller’s bitches. We are screwed!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=user
July 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
its just one more slick talkin politician that will promise the “people”everything they could ever wish for,THEN when they know they have em fooled,BAM!!its straight to the lieing, cheating,and stealing ALL for political exspeedyancy.he never fooled me!
July 20th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Alright, so a few thousand people write in Ron Paul. There, you’ve spoken your opposition, meanwhile, Barak becomes president and declares full scale war. We’ve accomplished a lot, haven’t we.
We need someone to lead. Alex is a mouthpiece, an eye opener, but he is not the leader, neither is Ron Paul, as he has backed down. Neither is Jesse Ventura. I have all the respect in the world for these guys and what they’ve done, but we need a leader that can lead the revolution. Alex announced it, Ron started it, now, who will lead it?
Sadly, I am not the leader either, but without a strong leader, we will end up with another war president.
One who comes in the name of peace, and then declares utter war.
July 20th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
All that Black O’Bastard is gonna do is shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan so they can finnish the oil line that goes from lower Russia to Asia. Thats the only reason we went in there in the first place. When the Taliban said “not through our country” that pissed them all off. They weren’t team players. Now that we’re there, Isreal wants us to do Iran in. Kill three birds with one stone.
July 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Great video, must see. Explains everything in three minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaB1psXTjS4
July 20th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Look forward to a military draft and WWIII as the next Great Depression takes hold. Meanwhile Bush/Cheney and the super rich are fleeing our country. They can run, but the evil ones will be tracked down and brought to justice after the smoke clears. Remember the nazis are still be tracked, and those who die before trial on this earth, will face their justice in the hereafter.
July 20th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Woodrow Wilson revisited!
July 20th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Bob in Colorado: Great contribution. Thanks for that.
July 20th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Page after page of bad news, and most everyone is calling for a leader, not just on this msg board but on many many others.
Lead us! the sheep cried. I think that its way past time that we lead ourselves. I mean it, stop trying to unite behind a leader, Those same people that want to lead realize that 99% of the population is looking for an easy way out, I mean you can’t blame yourself if their is a leader involved. Then you only have to look at the leader and say, “well it was his idea”. People lead for a reason, and rarely is that reason a noble one. Everyone has their own agenda, and anyone who is willing to lead has the moxy to use their power to impliment their agenda on everyone else.
Start leading yourselves, your family and your friends, if they wont do it themselves. Stop looking for a scapegoat so that you can all feel better about not having to make those hard choices.
“Oh don’t worry, someone will step up and do something for this country. Someone has to, I mean its gotten really bad don’t you think? Someone has to lead us away from this nightmare, right?”
Look.. no one is here for you.
no one is going to take care of you. besides god, and yourself, and the last time I checked god didn’t really give a rats ass if I died or was put into prison or not.
Start standing up for yourselves, start leading where others will only follow. No one controls you, or your revolution. Make those hard choices in life. Don’t ever let anyone make them for you. A choice to follow someone else is a choice to give up your freedom.
July 20th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
American Insurgent – post 16 – couldn’t agree with you more dude . look , alex is a leader , ron paul is a leader and so is jesse ventura . all true leaders do not seek to lead , they accept leadership humbly and with great reluctance and they long for the day that their leadership is no longer needed . but leaders can only lead those who will follow . ok that seems like a bit of a no-brainer , but the point is , if we all strive to lead and do what we know we must do , a true leader will , inevitably , emerge . if you truly want to find a leader , you need only look in a mirror .
July 20th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Bill Van Auken, I salute you. Not necessarily for the content of your article (although I do support it) but rather in the style you wrote it in.
Finally, a professional article on this foresaken website…you did good Auken, you did good.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
The ‘LIARS FOR OBAMA’ gang fell into the trap I laid for them on this website, when I used the ‘Israel’s Barak’ story to explain Obama WOULD lobby congress to attack Iran. That is if the Bush cabal doesn’t beat Barak to the ‘punch’.
Did we NOT hear the “Obama’s not a warmonger” cry from them as they all crawled out of the woodwork to defend that LIE?
Obama, who IS under a lot of heat for ‘reversing’ his anti-war CHANGE platform, uses the ‘Delphi technique’ that his liars also use to try and SELL you he’s NOT a warmonger who wants change.
Example:
OBAMA…”I am against the war in Iraq”
His liars will jump up and down like apes saying over and over… “Obama’s against the war.”
OBAMA… I pledge to bring US “combat brigades” out of Iraq within (X number) months of his inauguration.
His liars jump up and down like apes and ‘promise’ all of us Obama’s for change and will end the war.
BUT as anyone who as studied how the Delphi technique works can see right through Barak’s lies.
After Obama tells you and the rest world that he is against the war, will bring home American combatants, he quickly states the VERY SAME rhetoric both the democrats and Bush have been pulling on the American people since Bush swore “the troops would be home by X mass.”
Barak has ALSO promised to keep the war in Iraq going. Move more troops in to the Afghanistan mess and use the military option on Iran.
NO Obama’s NOT a warmonger, he’s simply a puppet following the same script that was written for JR. and the US Congress by YOUR controllers.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
johnbackclubofrome: well said.
July 20th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
ALL OF YOU…..SHUT UP AND GET WITH THE PROGRAM. THIS IS A CORPORATE TAKE OVER AND ALL OF YOU WILL BE WORKING IN THE MAILROOM AND SCRUBBING THE TOILETS. HAHAHAHAHA! AND YOU’RE GONNA DO NOTHING. THAT’S IT.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
words just words, there is no hope in war. there is no change in goverment just a change of a face. i must move yet i feel helpless in this state of constant fear…if i speak out i will loose my job, my house ..what eles?
July 20th, 2008 at 8:50 pm
just ignore this jasmine character annoying if anything not to be taken seriously. moving on cnn story of a young man who escaped to canada to escape serving in iraq for an illegal and immoral war was returned to u.s. by canadian officials to face charges in order to send a message to all those serving not to think about deserting to canada. reason i continue posting comments and reasons others should continue as well is for the newcomers on this site or those not quite caught up to speed on things. keep going and don’t let up.
July 20th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I do not understand those people that follow orders and do as their Government tells them so and go to feight wars for what????
The big oil company’s like this kind of people since they can profit from the person – the oil company’s make lot’s of $$.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
If we must have a black man for president…I nominate Morgan Freeman, as far as that goes, Morgan Freeman is by far better than anyone now running for selection.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
You’re right about one thing jasmine, this IS a hostile corporate takeover, the board members..us, need to oust the exec!
July 20th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Spoken like a charlie programmed assassin beastess.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
From all indication; the evil and subtle Obama is saying “”Heh wait a minute; we are killing the wrong people here!! We should now be killing the Afghans instead of the Iraquis now!!”" Well this is a great con job by what I consider a political con man!! Oh boy!! We will be facing the same Bush policies but he is coming from the other side of a back door!! Bush went around the right side of the back door (Republican) and Obama will go through the left side of the back door (Demoncratic)!! And we will be on another level of the destruction of a great nation in just 2 to 3 years!!
July 20th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
I know my future is in a plastic coffin, if not a ditch somewhere. i have no guns, but when it is time, if i’m not grabbed and killed for opening my mouth, I’ll be there to pick up the gun of a fallen patriot to continue the fight.
I have no fear of death. I look forward to it. Death is the end of suffering. If the New World Order survives, know that they will live and suffer, and true patriots will suffer no more under their tyranny.
July 20th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Give me liberty or give me death!
New World Liberty [http://newworldliberty.wordpress.com/] is a Left Libertarian blog standing against the tryanny of the New World Order. The founding fathers were Left Libertarians.
July 20th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
The founding fathers had some slave owners and wizards in the mix. I wanna hear the dirt!
July 20th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Sorry to disappoint you Jasmine…
Mailroom / Toilet cleaning? Been there done that.
Now after having worked in doing all the ‘important’ jobs for YOUR loving government and for THE MAN in Fortune 500 companies, having NO time to speak of, I sometimes long for those toilet cleaning days.
Hey maybe your right. Maybe I WILL get lucky and “DO NOTHING”!
July 20th, 2008 at 11:13 pm
Anthony C. Sutton (Author of America’s Secret Establishment Introduction to Skull and Bones; and 26 other related books) seemed to think that just gettiing enough people to see the reality of the secret society (Skull and Bones and their associated brotherhoods in the Illuminatti)would be enough to flush them to the surface and have them scatter in the light. Keep spreading the word about the JFK assassination and the Bush connection, JFK, jr. assassination, CIA connection, 911, the non-energy crisis until you can get that glazed look out of their eyes one at a time.
July 21st, 2008 at 1:39 am
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The Sub-Human! – (Globalists)
The sub-human, that biologically seemingly complete similar creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and a mouth, is nevertheless a completely different, dreadful creature. He is only a rough copy of a human being, with human-like facial traits but nonetheless morally and mentally lower than any animal. Within this creature there is a fearful chaos of wild, uninhibited passions, nameless destructiveness, the most primitive desires, the nakedest vulgarity!!!
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Freedom Within! – (that which the Globalists can never take from us)
That which they seek, with feverish lust, is like ashes to ashes and dust to dust, as the wind is unseen, so to is freedom. It’s essence ignites in a new born child, and resides within throughout life’s journey, it can “never” be taken, you can’t take the wind!
inslaved, tortured, shackles and chain, restless, burning, yearning, the aching restlesness of freedom within, seeking it’s place, sensing, searching. It’s essence is always there, within the shackles and chain, never lost, you can’t take the wind!
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Not Of Their Level! – (we have morals, the Globalists none)
As sub-humans plot our fate, so to, we theirs, not by bullet, nor by knife, “for we are not of them”
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Conscience! – (yours and mine)
What is it that I hear in the Wind, that taunts and tares At My soul?
Could it be the sound of all the Babies crying
Crying for justice……
For all the Love that has been Lost by Acts of Greed, in selfish Ego
For all that Could of been, that will never be.
Are not Good men, guilty of Evil?
If they stand by and allow it?
July 21st, 2008 at 1:53 am
How many filled their vehicles up with gasoline this week?
If your answer was “i didn’t , because i don’t own a car and i’m not the Globalists whore”…you are a “true” patriot!
If your answer was “duh’ yeah”…WHORE, you are nothing more than the Globalists “Hypocritical” WHORE!
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Putting money straight into the Globalists pockets…”how dare you”
A hypocritical “WHORE”……no excuses!…none!!!……you filthy “conspirator”
July 21st, 2008 at 4:26 am
I’m pretty sure we won’t see the US withdrawing from the Middle East / Central Asia any time soon. If someone are elected who have promised this, the inaugural terror event is just going to be that much bigger, so there will be an excuse for more war, and if the people disagree too much, the event will also be used as an excuse for martial law, so dissent can be kept down.
And sadly it might not be as easy to bust them as with 9/11. They have undoubtedly learned a lot from the mistakes they made the last time.
July 21st, 2008 at 5:20 am
#38 Elgar Matheson
FREE SPEECH asshole!
If your upset by the use of strong words, the best thing to do is “f--- OFF”
Your either (a) another one of them “Religiously deluded ranters” (b) your a “toffy silver spoon” who thinks his s--- doesn’t stink, in which case you can most certainly “f--- OFF” ya’ “PRICK”
July 21st, 2008 at 5:29 am
@40
What an oinker! Male shovanist austrailian pig! I hope you don’t run into a charlie programmed beastess assassin. She might school you on proper etiquette, if you can still stand up.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:06 am
Well, I am one of those religious ranters, as that is a sign of intelligence, in that, intelligence comes from accurate and astute observation and attention to facts, it would be asinine and incompatant to ignore the multitudes of empirical evidences which I and others have outlined on this site alone.
In that, you are a hollow irrelevant, sanctimonious
mut, no need to repeat them here, I am rather, responding to your trashy speech, you seem to think being an adult is predicated on your command of vulgar language and that all other adults enjoy listening to that mess you vomit out, I promise you, it is no more enjoyable to hear that trash than to see a fat old women waddle naked down the beach, in other words, it is bad form you retard, it demonstrates low character, no class and utter disrespect of yourself and those here on this site which is owned by a Christian whom you have displayed utter contempt for in your arrogant notion that refusing to believe in the obvious somehow makes you intellectually superior when in fact, it is only a veiled attempt to mask your utter inferiority to grasp what the majority of HUMANS know to be fact with by far less evidence than has been provided, in other words, most believe what they have no proof of despite many such as myself providing so much of which speaks volumes of their character, something you must never have experienced.
So, YOU are the odd one out and should BUGGER off and go find a heather retard site to regurgitate your empty rants with fellow irrelevants who enjoy listening to asinine juvenile prison speak, it is not welcome here! Grow up and have some self respect.
By the way,
here’s some of the proof I refer to, this in regards to the Exodus, parting of the Rd Sea, empirical evidence of that which you blindly hold so much contempt for.
theexoduscase.com
theexodusconspiracy.com
splitrockresearch.com
and for a beginners level education on the various proofs of the giants the scriptures refers to, stevequayle.com
here
July 21st, 2008 at 6:17 am
#40 Shocked American
You can f--- off too, you and the rest of the “equal rights for woman” brigade. It’s you bastards that are the cause of so many young kids necking themselves these days!. Just itching to get out into the workplace (career “ladder climbing” toffy bitches are the absolute worst) and then you find yourself up the stick, you have the kid, but the career is more important than rearing the poor bloody thing, so you get some “nanny” to do your f---ing job, “go and get f---ed.”
Proper etiquette is only for self satisfied, deluded individuals that are as fake as half the noses on their faces!
f---in’ tune me in ya bitch…f--- right off.
July 21st, 2008 at 6:18 am
P.S. to # 40, you know, I can think of several GREAT men in history and even today, Alex Jones being one, General George Washington and all the founders of our country, who were the smartest, most intrepid people I have ever learned of outside of scripture and several others I have no time to enumerate, all of whom don’t use foal, as in stench filled cursing language to express themselves, I can only think of one exception in History and none now living who speak in that unintelligent form, who either inspire or I would want my children to emulate and while General George Patton was a great man and greater General, I still lament his curse words, it took away from his intelligence and his Christianity, he was otherwise a great man and Christian and died trying to do the right thing, squash stallin etc., and I am positive nevertheless, he is in the company of the Most High, a pleasure you will now never realize unless you turn from your wicked mentality!
July 21st, 2008 at 6:40 am
Well, ya really slayed me there with that mumbo jumbo, actually, I am a martial arts instructor, former law enforcement having served both the Army and the Navy and I teach survival etc., at my congregation of, how did you say? “toffeys?” what a joke and sad story you are to think being a man means you have to speak like an escaped convict, that must really turn the ladies on.
One last note before I disembark, our intrepid host who rallies and inspires free thinkers and those desiring freedom from the fetters of this global tyranny doesn’t speak like prison trash and doesn’t allow it for a second on his show, what makes you think he wants that dribble puked out and defiling his web page here?
July 21st, 2008 at 7:23 am
I hear ya 46, god point, I said that myself only yesterday, only no one acknowledged my attempt at reconciliation, so I about faced, I agree with you though and it makes none to me personally if that dupe wants to talk like a ghetto gang banging nitwit, but it is bad form and brings discredit and ill repute to this site in general and our movement in particular.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:31 am
Red Dawn
Go suck an egg…you demented, religiously deluded, pompous pontiferous pontiferator of all things pontif (like child abuse ya sick f---er) prick!
And while your sucking on that egg, you keep those filthy thoughts of young boys out of your letcherous mind, ya sick f---!
And keep away from your congregation too, ya predator!
July 21st, 2008 at 9:30 am
It could be considered imperialistic; however, is it not true that Women and Children are being murdered by the Taliban? Children are being murdered because they giggle in front of soldiers, Women are being shot on only a suspicion of adultery. Regardless, is it safe to let radical regimes such as the Taliban to take over regions through military might, terror, and gorilla warfare? Do we really need psychos running any country? We cannot allow radical groups take over countries least we will be the witnesses of mass genocide. However, ground strikes on Afghanistan is not the answer; but ground troops I think may be necessary…
July 21st, 2008 at 9:31 am
So, what do you suppose we should do … NOTHING ?
July 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am
yes, nothing. that is, we give no foreign aid or assistance. We cannot be everywhere in the world at once. We cannot simultaniously prop up violent African dictators and wage war against Middle Eastern tyrannts. It is not possible and it only hurts us physically, economically, and reputationally around the world.
I’m very sorry, because I wish there were some way to do something, but it really is best just to stay out….
July 21st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
lady pink you sound just like the product of corp. media( WAKE UP) the monster’s in wash.need to be replaced
July 21st, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Hmmm, that’s phunny aussie, I have noticed a certain trend, that is…every time I whip you fuds who can’t muster an intelligent defense of your irrelevant opinion and despotic position etc and when you can’t strong arm me into acquiescing on your degenerate topics, you people resort to asinine, childish insults and invariably commit to accusing me of wanting to murder someone or committing pedophilia etc., which makes no sense whatsoever because, not only do I hate equally all pedophiles and homosexuals as the deviants they are, they weren’t even mentioned in any of our posts, you are the only one who mentioned kids, asserting baseless that we religious community somehow neglect our children by depriving them of time etc., when in reality, most of us, home school our children and spend by far more quality time with them…without my even mentioning the time I spend with my kids and teaching the others in our congregation, rather, I outlined some of my military and law enforcement experience etc., you perverted that into claiming that I am a child molester? does that make sense to anyone here?
Actually, I was reprimanded a few times for treating pedophiles and rapists worse than my other prisoners due to the fact my ex wife was raped.
So, your retard claim against me is juvenile and without foundation, in short, you result to more trash speak to defend your trash speak and attack me. Mene Te’kel Mene Te’kel!
Here in America, we demonstrate our manliness by our actions rather than empty useless words, facta sunt potentiori verbis!
I don’t know if you are the same aussie that I corresponded to before, but, this mess you talk reflects poorly on your country.
Furthermore, it was common knowledge in the military that if we got stationed in Australian, that it was easy to marry an Australian babe, many of who have wealthy Dads, it is common knowledge that the reason for this is that, Australian men, don’t know how to treat their women and are notorious about beating them like the punk cowards they are…how ya like me NOW!
July 21st, 2008 at 6:15 pm
@43 Aussie
Sorry about that. The profanity made you an easy instigate target. Most Austrailians seem pretty nice.
@52 Ladie Pink
I agree with Ron Paul. Start by eliminating blowback policy. Also President John Kennedy started to get a pretty good handle on what to do and started to implement it with the green berets teaching the good guys and the peace corps. The same group of government criminals assassinated him that are there today. Then things got perverted with projects cherry and pheonix and the conventional army involvement in the affairs of another country. Now elitist world banker luciferians have really solidified control. I think the thing to do now is educate, pray and brace ourselves for Armageddon.
@44 Red Dawn
I like your ideas but, what was the reason for Thomas Jefferson getting the illuminati all seeing eye seal put up in a public place in Washington D.C. that is still there today?
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:10 am
Shocked American, can you source that for me, while I have seen a lot of revisionist stuff about some of the founders being involved in the early stages of masonry here, that is to say, I don’t feel it was rooted in the satanic occult until after adam weishaupt came over and took the reigns about the time the war was won.
I know that the founders were geniuses and not fools, but anyone can be duped into engaging or being in some ways involved in an organization that appears outwardly benign, I am not trying to be naive, rather I am trying to reconcile their own words AND actions being in direct contravention with the form of masonry that we understand that was in France under the satanic pedophile demolay, others in Europe of that day who were driven into seclusion as well as those today who are involved in absolute degenerate sects such as the skull and bones etc and the islamic sect that is the shriners.
After all, many intelligent decent people even today are masons and seem to be genuinely unaware of the true nature of the organization they are party to.
It is my contention, after having studied the founders and the federalist papers extensively years before I even knew what masons were, that they were all exceptionally intelligent people who almost universally were of the Christian faith, I never read any contradictory statements and their mindsets seemed to be congruous, it is therefore my feeling, knowing rockefeller had factually subverted our history curriculum, that he did likewise institute revisionist propaganda implicating our intrepid founders with the likes of weishaupt in the initiative which has been proven unfortunately, very effective of maligning the founders so that we would distance our loyalties from them thus dis-imparting our sense of nationality and devotion to the constitution and all aspects of our collective conviction in all respects of the foundations of America and what it means to be American, this is the stated goal of the united nations and I witnessed much of this indoctrination in my daughters school work which caused a great amount of anger on my part against her teachers, while the principle seemed sympathetic to my observations as well as school board members to who I would invite their attention to those inconsistencies between what we were taught and what is being taught today, nothing would change, so, I pulled my son out of that despotic system and began homeschooling.
In addition to the defaming of our founders, they are teaching that nationalism causes war and they supplanted the teachings of our founders with the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, which I brought to their attention.
I hope you see my point, it is late and I feel I am not making myself clear, but, my point is, that the founders all spoke of divine providence, Thomas Jefferson prayed in congress and taught bible study, he took certain parts of the new testament, breaking it down and dispensed it to the Indians whom, if you read the declaration of Independence, he described them as being particularly vicious, “mostly due to the French teaching and paying them to scalp the early settlers etc.,” ultimately, knowing what rockefeller did and knowing the heart of the founders being absolutely consistent with their actions, I believe the infusion of masonry to be ‘mostly’ revisionist as far as the malignant elements, I believe they could have been involved at lower levels and or unwitting to the true nature of the beast system we know it to be.
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:20 am
By the way, Shocked American, why are you apologising to aussie? he accused me of pedophilia because he lost an argument, his only response is too personally attack me while my only intention was to inspire him to clean up his language.
His reaction is consistent with others who cannot effectively defend their positions, usually they are the ones who baselessly attack believers, if people like me didn’t defend the Christians who have been badly maligned, as the founders now are, this site would degenerate into a cesspool and haven for heathens and occultists, such as the nazi types here regularly come here and steadily bash on Jews as though they are the sole evil on earth etc.
Aussies attacks on me were so off base that, if they were no so serious, they would be phunny, how can he make the astronomical leap from my teaching martial arts/survival and being former military and law enforcement to being someone who abuses children and leaves them with a nanny? made no sense what so ever!
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 am
#58 red dawn now
It’s a bit of light relief…ya’ drongo!!!
I must say i laughed my arse off reading your message “particularly the Nanny inclusion at the end”…very well done!
Now…ya’ know where you can place that bible of your’n “don’t ya’”
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:35 am
@58 Red Dawn
I was apologizing for equating Aussie with a pig. Admitting a mistake is not easy but it pans out in the end. I appreciate you pointing out all the lies directed at christians that Aussie was propagating based on incidents that happen throughout society to christians and everyone else, but that the banker controlled media blows out of proportion. For example, how much coverage does satanic ritual abuse get?
As far as Jefferson, I will try to get back to you on the illuminati seal. I recall an article from Citizen magazine (from Focus on the Family) about a university that Jefferson founded where he wanted no rules for the students. The students blew off all studying and slid into drunken partying. The failure rate was high. Jefferson had to admit he was wrong. They gave the students rules and saved the university. That guy reaked of wicca. He seemed like one of the few really shady founders. It will take me a little while but I will fish up some references if I have enough time.
Its good to admit the mistakes of the founders as well as their successes so that we can learn and not repeat them, for example, compromising with slave owners was wrong. That is a stain that I would not want to be a part of. There is a whole lot more. I have seen in modern America that the things that a person is not honest about and compromises with is what can cost’em. An example is a massive debt on a visa card. Our country is kind of like that to the federal reserve and the world bankers.
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
Shocked American, Hmm, hadn’t heard that either, but I did read in the federalist papers where they lamented the slavery, but that they knew they could not end it at that time as that would cause another war and they could not afford that after having just finished the revolution, they knew it would end eventually.
As for the jist of the buildings and the symbology in D.C., to my understanding, most of it was committed in the 1800s. I don’t know, from what I have studied long ago, the new and the old just doesn’t fit, I have quite a collection of epigrams from them at that time, the wisdom and insight is far beyond anything written today, most college students couldn’t even understand the depth, intuition and the connection they had to the Almighty and the symbiotic relationship and the nature and experience of mankind and it’s relationship to the various governments, without which, they could not have written such and eloquent and powerful constitution, bill of rights and declaration of independence. The schools try today with these young skulls full of mush and it just comes out as irrelevant gobbledygook, bush and the narcissistic un-representatives we now have think they can and look at the mess we are in, bunch of GD pieces of useless paper, more fit to employ as toilet paper…that is, everything these muts right into law and puke out.
Aussie, that stuff you babble out and the way in which you insult me, which is completely devoid of sense, well, you are unable to make your point so you resort to childish smears divorced of reality, I have nothing nice to say to you, I reserve my scriptures place upon the table, I feel sorry for you, I presented you with some resources so that you could edify yourself and realise that the scriptures, thus the Creator is true and omnipotent etc., you refused, that as well reflects on your lack of sincerity, character and lack of class, you have nothing to offer here and you are destined for perdition, it is my only hope you one day wake up with the seed I have planted, I have seen worse come around, and that regardless, you choose not to drag others, particularly the young into the pit with you, good bye.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:58 am
Dr “Aussie” (slayer of the deranged) – post 36 – dude , if you’re who i think you are i want you to know that i have great respect for you and , more than once , you have stopped me from walking away , even if only when your being humourous ( dude , you are the funniet person i have ever heard ! ) .
” Freedom Within! – (that which the Globalists can never take from us)
That which they seek, with feverish lust, is like ashes to ashes and dust to dust, as the wind is unseen, so to is freedom. It’s essence ignites in a new born child, and resides within throughout life’s journey, it can “never” be taken, you can’t take the wind!
inslaved, tortured, shackles and chain, restless, burning, yearning, the aching restlesness of freedom within, seeking it’s place, sensing, searching. It’s essence is always there, within the shackles and chain, never lost, you can’t take the wind! ”
i would just say this . read 1984 . probably again ! remember winstons encounter with o’brien . ” freedom is the freedom to say 2+2=4 . ” . that didn’t work out so good for winston smith and i think you’ll find the globalists are a whole lot more sophisticated since Orwell wrote 1984 . anyhoo , thanks for all you do dude ! take good care of yourself .
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
#62 maxx fennig
Thanks Max, for being able to see through the veil (crudeness/confrontation/controversy). And i’m pleased to hear you say that your sticking with it!
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Materialism is not the answer……………………………………..Life is.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Aussie – post 63 – agreed !