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Obama Pushes Carbon Tax Proposal That Would Inflict New Great Depression
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Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Tuesday, November 18, 2008
President elect Barack Obama used his speech at a Los Angeles summit last night to reinvigorate a push for the revival of a frightening proposal to slash carbon emissions by 80 per cent, a move that would inflict a new Great Depression, cost millions of jobs, and sink America to near third world status.
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“My presidency will mark a new chapter in America’s leadership on climate change,” Obama said in a video message to governors and others attending a Los Angeles summit on the issue.
“In the roughly four-minute message, Obama reiterated his support for a cap-and-trade system approach to cutting green house gases. He would establish annual targets to reduce emissions to their 1990 levels by 2020 and reduce them another 80 percent by 2050,” reports the Associated Press.
Obama’s mission is to revive and expand the defeated 2007 Lieberman/Warner bill, “America’s Climate Security Act,” which proposed a cap and trade system to reduce carbon emissions 70 per cent by 2050.
The bill was rejected for a very good reason - its passage would have created economic conditions comparable to a new Great Depression and sunk America to near third world status.
The Environmental Protection Agency’s economic analysis of the bill forecast that a whopping $2.9 trillion would be shaved off the economy by the year 2050 if the legislation was enacted. It would also reduce GDP by 6.9 percent – a figure comparable with the economic meltdown of 1929 and 1930, and millions of jobs would have been lost within the first 10 years of its passage.
As JunkScience.com’s Steven Milloy highlights, “For more perspective, consider that during 1929 and 1930, the first two years of the Great Depression, GDP declined by 8.6 percent and 6.4 percent, respectively.”
And what would we get for such a massive self-inflicted wound? It ought to be something that is climatically spectacular, right? You be the judge.
The EPA says that by the year 2095 — 45 years after GDP has been slashed by 6.9 percent — atmospheric carbon dioxide levels would be 25 parts per million lower than if no greenhouse gas regulation were implemented.
Keeping in mind that the current atmospheric CO2 level is 380 ppm and the projected 2095 CO2 level is about 500 ppm, according to the EPA, what are the potential global temperature implications for such a slight change in atmospheric CO2 concentration?
Not much, as average global temperature would only be reduced by a maximum of about 0.10 to 0.20 degrees Celsius, according to existing research.
Sacrificing many trillions of dollars of GDP for a trivial, 45-year-delayed and merely hypothetical reduction in average global temperature must be considered as exponentially more asinine than the dot-bombs of the late-1990s and the NINJA subprime loans that we now look upon scornfully.
Obama’s agenda to cut carbon emissions by 80 per cent is a huge leap towards the ultimate goal, expressed by the Carnegie Institute earlier this year and afforded sober credibility by the corporate media – a complete reduction down to zero carbon emissions.
Zero carbon emissions? That would lead to the near complete reversal of hundreds of years of technological progress and man’s return to the stone age.
Correction – stone age man was at least able to make use of fire – that too would presumably be banned under the measures being proposed.
Global transport of any kind would cease, manufacturing and production would be a thing of the past, the global economy would crumble, communications would go dark as computer networks and the Internet are abolished. Millions would freeze to death as a result of not being able to heat their homes.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
We’d be back to living in caves and hunting for food with spears.
Presumably, since livestock flatulence accounts for more green house gas releases than cars, planes and all other forms of transport or industry put together, cows would also become an endangered species and global meat farming would cease to exist. This sounds like a joke but this is actually what these crazies are proposing.
The sheer ludicrousness of the Carnegie report is on a parallel with a March 2007 New York Times editorial, which subtly pushed the notion that humans emit carbon dioxide when they exhale, therefore should all be taxed for breathing!
And remember that all of this is being pushed in the name of a scientific theory that is being increasingly debunked on an almost daily basis.
The fact that there has been climate change since the birth of the planet has again been emphasized by a noticeable recent wave of global cooling related to a dearth of sunspot activity and exemplified by the Arctic ice sheet expanding by 30 per cent, an area the size of Germany, since the summer of 2007.
This clear reversal in natural climate change from the solar-system wide global warming that occurred throughout the 90’s is being buried by man-made global warming advocates by means of deceit and dirty tricks.
Global warming fearmongers like the World Wildlife Fund are having to resort to deception as a clear trend of global cooling unfolds. In a recent report, the WWF cited shrinking Arctic ice coverage to suggest climate change is “faster and more extreme” than first thought, while failing to acknowledge that Arctic sea ice expanded over an area bigger than the size of Germany during the year of 2008.
Last week, climate scientists allied with the IPCC were caught citing fake data to make the case that global warming is accelerating. NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS), run by Al Gore’s chief scientific ally, Dr James Hansen, announced that last month was the hottest October on record. They later had to admit their “error” after it was revealed that they had used temperature records from September, a naturally hotter month, and merely passed them off as representing October temperatures.
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November 19th, 2008 at 9:51 am
Before I woke up I believed Al Gore HA! Now it’s painfully obvious how ludicrous their attempts are to make global warming human’s fault when in fact the sun and earth would change with or without us creating carbon emissions.
David Mitsak Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I have enjoyed reading many of your articles and perspectives that encourage us all to investigate things more thoroughly. I have been inspired to be more wary of giving away all our trust and power to our elected officials, as a means for protecting and preserving what is good for our families, neighborhoods and communities. Illustrating the links between the big banks and uber rich and power brokers and the weird secret societies and what they might have in store for us is well done by your organization, however articles like this give me great reason to believe that your researchers are severely lacking when it comes to the concept of zero carbon emissions and reducing our (humans) carbon footprint. Publishing articles like this makes it seem that you are secret agents for the big oil cartels and the mega corporations that are perpetuating our dependence upon a highly toxic, unfair and destructive way of life. There is a whole field of environmental science that aims to bring lots of freedom and security to humanity in a way that does not destroy our precious air and water and food supplies while strengthening the way we relate to each other. Please please please do more research (at least a quick google search) on such things as Permaculture, cob building (building extremely durable houses whose carbon footprint is extremely low for extremely low cost) CSA (community supported agriculture) Village design principles, community land trusts and offset density ordinances, the slow foods movement, the local foods movement, the co-housing movement, and city farming, all of which offer very exciting ways that we can reduce our carbon footprint while creating more fun and opportunities for all.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:19 am
+++ “THE FEAR OF THE LORD LEADS TO LIFE, and he who has it will abide in satisfaction; HE WILL NOT BE VISITED WITH EVIL. THE FEAR OF THE LORD prolongs days,,, BUT THE YEARS OF THE WICKED,,, WILL BE SHORTENED!” —prov———————————————John3:36
November 19th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Everybody start practicing holding your breath. Since with ZERO emissions humans have to learn to breathe without emitting CO2. Of course this should be no problem for those that believe in Darwin, we can all evolve into whatever it takes to stop producing CO2, right? The government will help us in our evolving through genetic modification.
Then they would also help us reduce or eliminate human flatulence by genetic modification of our foods. Just think of how muc the carbon foot print would be reduced by the above actions, I just wonder what we will have become in the meantime?
David Mitsak Reply:
February 25th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
please research reducing carbon footprint. It is an exciting scientific concept that is fun to participate in.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:32 am
It should be obvious that the ones promoting this ZERO emissions should lead by example, they should start by holding their breath so that they can show us how it is done!
November 19th, 2008 at 10:47 am
the atmosphere was @ 2000 ppm in prehistoric times. The plants got really big! A 25 ppm reduction is nothing. I have a CO2 meter and live in a large city, ive never seen it go below 700 ppm.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:48 am
i like his im in such deep thought foto that accompanied this article what the hell is he doing a vulcan mind meld????
November 19th, 2008 at 10:49 am
All that needs to be done is to reverse the bull**** trick on the public perception of hemp – tell everyone there is a crisis and they need to turn their backyards into government hemp farms (like in WWI), harvest the hemp for free, turn it into biofuel (10 times more fuel yield than corn…), and turn the rest into housing foundation and hempcrete, locking the carbon into the building materials…. any carbon produced by the hemp-gas is reversed when it’s grown. Problem solved – you’re welcome!
November 19th, 2008 at 10:58 am
Mr Watson
The article you continue to use as proof that the arctic ice glacier cap has grown by 30%, has, by it’s author Steven Goddard, been revised. Mr Goddard now says:
Steven Goddard writes: “Dr. Walt Meier at NSIDC has convinced me this week that their ice extent numbers are solid. So why the large discrepancy between their graphs and the UIUC maps? I went back and compared UIUC maps vs. NASA satellite photos from the same dates last summer. It turns out that the older UIUC maps had underrepresented the amount of low concentration ice in several regions of the Arctic. This summer, their maps do not have that same error. As a result, UIUC maps show a much greater increase in the amount of ice this year than does NSIDC. And thus the explanation of the discrepancy.
“it is clear that the NSIDC graph is correct, and that 2008 Arctic ice is barely 10% above last year – just as NSIDC had stated.”
There is no question the the ice cap has grown by roughly 10%, and I don’t know if Mr Watson has seen Mr. Goddard’s revised statement.
While Mr Watson does continue to break important stories, his articles should not be the final point of truth on the subjects he covers.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:02 am
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Don’t worry this shirt is quite sarcastic and offensive. A perfect weapon to insult any liberal.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:18 am
TAX VOLCANO,S BIG TIMES CROOKS…ALWAYS COMING UP WITH NEW IDEAS TO FLEECE THE SHEEPLE…WHILE THEY LIVE IN THEIR MANSIONS…I DO NOT THINK OBAMA IS GOING TO LAST THROUGH THE STRESS AT ALL GIVE HIM A YEAR A THE MOST BEFOER THE TOLL WILL WEAR HIM OUT…
November 19th, 2008 at 11:19 am
One of the basic problems with these liberals that live in fear is they have HUGE control issues. It makes it easier to prey on their minds that way, since all you have to do is point them at something no entity save God can control, like the biosphere on earth. Insecurity in action. And then they have the gal to compare us to Chicken Little?!!
November 19th, 2008 at 11:22 am
THE LORD SAID HE HELPS THEM THAT HELPS THEMSELVES…ALSO HEAL THYSELF…JESUS CAME TO FIGHT WITH THE SWORD SO IT SAYS IN BIBLE…HE OVER THROWED THE MONEY CHANGES IN THE CHURCH…TRADING IN CEASERS COINAGE…LOST HIS TEMPER STOOD UP TO THE MONEY CHANGERS REMEMBER….
November 19th, 2008 at 11:25 am
#5 – that’s the nerdiest thing i have ever heard of…but kind of cool. where did you get that? i would like to have one.
instead of a carbon tax, how about allowing the auto makers(GM, Ford, Chevy) to go broke. then people who have invented air, electric, and water powered cars can begin to sell them. getting rid of the gas powered car over the next 25 years would be a better idea than some “carbon tax”
- pissed off
November 19th, 2008 at 11:33 am
It won’t matter what he does we are going into a deep depression anyway. Have you read that many US states are on the verge of COLLAPSE? Read it here: http://www.thecomingdepression.blogspot.com BOOKMARK THIS PAGE!
November 19th, 2008 at 11:41 am
YOUTUBE—– sons of liberty a message to the new world order —-WATCH IT. THere are NO excuses anymore for any of this……NONE
November 19th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Clear the path for Jesus and become a Freeman on the Land it is your christian duty.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:58 am
# 12 – If they would bring back the EV1, perhaps we wouldn’t need 25 frikin years to transition… The combustion engine (ridiculous) can be flushed down the toilet as far ras I’m concerned. – THEY KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR PEOPLE!!!
November 19th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
efoodsdirect.com
hempusa.org
If you’re reading this please survive WHILE CARRYING your message. Do not let searching for food hinder your message.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
watch “Who killed the electric car?” available on conspiracycentral.com as a bitorrent. Not just GM has killed off a brilliant idea.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
Hey I have a good Idea.
Lets give away billions of dollars to the failing auto industry for giving us the Pollution in the first place. Then after we give them all that money to prop them back up, we sucker punch them in the face and tell them they can’t make the cars anymore because of the new emissions taxes, err standards.
Why not, we already gave away 700+ Billion for nothing. Whats a few more.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Exactly. “Who Killed the Electric Car” was a great documentary. And nobody talks about it. We don’t need to find alternative energy, as far as cars are concerned. We already have it. We have electric cars. People who had the EV-1 loved it! And then GM re-called the EV-1 and destroyed all of them! Crushed them into little pieces? What the hell? We should all be driving electric cars!
November 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Well, Alex told us that the Illuminati/UN have planned an 80% population reduction. Not to mention Codex Alimentarius which strips food of vital nutrients leaving it virtually worthless to our bodies. Basically, the things we have been told may have seemed so hard to imagine but they are in fact true. And we will all find this out literally within the next few years. The TV has been seized and everything said by the Corporate news is now fixed and no longer reporting news only crafting the minds of the zombie population. Ladies and Gentlemen HOLD ON! It’s going to be a rocky ride.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
This was always about Taxes..nothing to do with the environment.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Um…not to argue here but if the Illuminati succeed and reduce the world population by 80% who will be doing all of the labor? Sorry I’m not buying into that theory.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Click on my name above and subscribe to my youtube page. i have the predictions from the bildeberg 2006 meeting in which these plans are all layed out by daniel estulin…no surprise really…are you shocked?
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November 19th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
“Zero carbon emissions? That would lead to the near complete reversal of hundreds of years of technological progress and man’s return to the stone age”
That is a completely rediculous statement… By reducing emmisions we actually create jobs by creating new technologies. They are not asking for a revert to the stone age… they are pushing forward new methods of energy, which in turn will be more promising than the coal industry and all the devastating effects. So to say that the bill will sink us into a depression i think is absolutely false. If anything i think it will push us into the future. Just because we have been using a certain technology for a certain period of time, doesn’t mean it is the most efficient. Let get real.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I have news for you. The economy is ALREADY contracting and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future. Also, as energy continues to get tighter its unending consumption will have to self-correct anyway. It’s the cornucopian belief that land and its resource usage is unlimited that got us to this point in the first place. We are bankrupting ourselves: our spirit, our wealth, our soil, our environment, as we edge closer to the cliff. Open your eyes and stop attributing it ALL to elitist assholes with unsubstantiated passing theories.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
I too was duped by Al Gore’s sincerity. I feel foolish now but it was a compelling argument. However since I am the type of person who digs furthure I realized that that it was all a big lie. If this carbon tax fails you can bet they will find something else as a medium for taxation.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
THIS IS THE NAME OF THE FOOL THAT CUT YOUR THROAT, CUT ALL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE’S THROATS, A NASTY LITTLE LIAR WORKING FOR THE HAMILTON, MARION COUNTY POLICE DEPARTMENT. THE MARION COUNTY SHERIFF’S DEPARTMENT OF HAMILTON, ALABAMA, AND JUDGE CASHEM HAS NOT ONLY RUINED THE LIFE OF SWEENEY TODD BUT ALL OF YOUR LIVES. THE LYING, DEMON-POSESSED, DEVIL-LOVING, JESUS-HATING, ANTI-CHRIST FIEND IS KENNETH LOLLEY. MAY THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES BE PUNISHED FOR HIS AMBUSHING GARY GANN, AKA SWEENEY TODD, AKA V, AT THE HAMILTON ALABAMA BAPTIST CHURCH, AND MAY LITTLE NASTY DOPE PIPES BE PLANTED ON THE CIA AND THE POLICE OF THIS COUNTRY, AND THE FBI OF THIS COUNTRY UNTIL THEY’VE ALL GONE INSANE. SAME FOR THE JUDGES. IN THE NAME OF THE FATHER, IN THE NAME OF THE SON, IN THE NAME OF THE HOLY GHOST, AMEN, AMEN.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
23, reducing the world population by 0 percent will leave enough slaves for them they are not even 5 percent of the world population, but it will leave an easier number to control and use breeding programs to dumb then more down while they breed their elite to create a world they want.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
It seems to me that “Prison Planet” articles are written to incite extremes and there is no shortage of people willing to bite the hook. Obama is being instructed to incite as well. A chotic society is easy to rule because nothing ever gets done. If the chaos slows down.. people get to thinking.. and when people get to thinking.. things may start to happen.. good and bad.. depending on your views and which end of the stick you hold.
We in the US and many other parts of the world have been in constant distraction and crisis for the past 40 years or more. This article does the same job and has the same effect as anything Obama says.
I am not taking up for Obama, but I am pointing out that Watson is pulling the same stunt. That is not to say he supports Obama. The one thing they both have in common is the attention they both get.
People need to get to thinking how they will individually handle situations .. THEN how you may help out someone else. The GVT is obviously out to stifle any progress they cannot tax.
Stone age? Well… The GVT associated people will not be living there until everyone else is. Then we will not have a GVT when people become so disinterested they just give up. That goes without saying.. at that point we will no longer be a country and since everything(i.e. land deeds and property ) is documented on GVt records.. they will probably be destryed and no one will own anything they may have worked for. The GVT will maintain a military as long as they benefit from such. You got the picture by now I hope. It won’t happen today, tomorrow or perhaps in our lifetimes.. but it will happen.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
UNCLE FESTER, the elite are a few hundred, reasonably, another thousand or so, for quite redundant oversight, extending to maybe an entire million to be the individual “franchise managers” managing maybe 50 million willing and enthusiastic supporters of a nwo. so who does that leave to be maintainance people, waitstaff, laundry, transportation. 80%pop. red. will still leave half a billion slaves.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
DDDOOOOHHHH!!!!!!!!
November 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I think I read somewhere about the Iron Mountain report that basically stated under a world wide government wars which are the impetus for economic stimulation and provide for nationalistic fervor to give stability to the state could not exist. Therefore a new enemy needed to be created and 2 options were proposed. 1) Global destruction of the environment and 2) Aliens. It appears that the world government are experimenting with both options to see if either one gains support. Under a one world government wars between nations will be obsolete.
November 19th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Indeed, far too many of these articles are just as deceptive and misleading as the information they are “exposing”.
The most important thing for anyone here to realize is that this whole “reduction of GDP/Destruction of our economy” thing that will be “brought about” by reducing carbon emissions is ONLY TRUE if the work related to those carbon emissions is ALSO STOPPED. Which it would not be.
Don’t you guys get that the whole idea isn’t to simply stop production, but to REPLACE THE ENERGY SOURCES FROM WHICH THAT PRODUCTION SPRINGS, hence, “reducing carbon emissions”.
If it is powered with solar, geothermal, wind, alcohol etc….then guess what? The work can still be done, and yet….NO CARBON EMISSIONS! *WOW*!
That’s the whole idea you guys, to find ALTERNATIVES to oil & gasoline, not to simply SHUT THINGS DOWN because we’re trying to meet some arbitrary carbon goal.
And to think, I actually used to respect this site so much. I thought it was for forward-thinking, open-minded & rational people looking for solutions.
Turns out, it’s just a hot-bed of hyper-cynicism, defeatist, anger-stoking negativity which NEVER FOCUSES ON SOLUTIONS.
Did you get that? Look around here you guys….there are ADS for some cool inventions etc, but the site is just a big Negativity Expose which focuses SO intensely on the PROBLEMS that it never has time for the SOLUTIONS.
Peter Joseph is right, ya know…
November 19th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
“My presidency will mark a new chapter in America’s leadership on climate change”
LOOOOL America wasnt even a follower on anything environmental let alone a leader.
He didn’t wait long with it did he?
November 19th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
In the 90’s, California wanted to pass a law, stating that cars would have to have lower and lower emissions, until, new cars made would have to have, I think, zero emissions.
The Federal Government sued the state, saying that they could not do that…
Roll out the double-think!
November 19th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
When are they going to start population control?
November 19th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
34 Itsarap Says:
November 19th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
I think I read somewhere about the Iron Mountain report that basically stated under a world wide government wars which are the impetus for economic stimulation and provide for nationalistic fervor to give stability to the state could not exist. Therefore a new enemy needed to be created and 2 options were proposed. 1) Global destruction of the environment and 2) Aliens. It appears that the world government are experimenting with both options to see if either one gains support. Under a one world government wars between nations will be obsolete.
this is the percieved outside threat that will make americans beg for un troops on us soil.
THEY DONT KNOW US AMERICANS TOO GOOD DO THEY ?
AS FOR OBSOLETE?
TELL THAT TO THE BROTHERS AND LATINO’S IN THE INNER CITY GHETTO’S.
November 19th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Seems to me, there are more Democratic disinformation agents than from what was the Republicans Gee, maybe they’re both one in the same….
November 19th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
The population of a nation at war is more “patriotic” towards it’s GVt than in peacetime. If the US elected officials could not hide behind the efforts of war the population would be a powder kege here in the US. War is truely an economic tool. WWI was used to allow the bankers to gain control of the US economy. WWII was sued to focus people on something after the 1st Depression. Vietnam was “created” to further the previous agendas behind wars.. and the trend has been used ever since.
The US has steadily been at war since 1898.
If this nation were not at war.. the people would have time to stew and focus on this country and it’s problems. Patriotism is a drug that is used to quell the population to keep it in check. It has taken on a whole new meaning and today’s “patriotism” is not the same as in the 1700s.
War is simply used to distract people from issues at home. Now the Iraq situation has turned into a quagmire the GVt issues are working overtime to re-focus the people. We cannot figure out what is coming from where and why anymore?
I expect no one much even questions GVt and they know this as well. Apathy is terminal in a country as far as freedom goes.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
You know it is a wild leap of faith to assume that reduction in emissions will directly cause a great depression and send us all back to the Stone Age. Where is your PROOF in that statement. There are no numbers and no facts for that presumption at all. It is just wild speculation.
I want to see: net number of jobs lost (number of jobs lost due to emission standards – jobs created by emission standards), estimated $$$ values of declines in GDP, and estimated decline in household income and purchasing power. Furthermore, I want to see the causal relationship between emission standards and the economy fully explained for these numbers. Please show work. I hope this isn’t outside of the abilities of the editors and contributors of Infowars.
Members of Europe Union signed the Kyoto agreement and curbed their emissions but their economic growth during this decade has been great. In fact, the Euro beat the pants off of the American Dollar for most of this decade. So the assumption that any kind of emission standards will lead to a great depression is totally baseless.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Brother Bob #40 -
What is the difference Bob.. a disinformation agent is a disinformation agent. whether they do it for advertising, gain of power and position, to attract an audience to maintain a website, to stroke their ego.. whatever the reason or agenda. a disinformation agent is a disinformation agent. Both have an agenda and it passes the truth and goes all around it but never quite lands on the target of the issue of truth. If they did.. their purpose would go away and people would be left to their own means. One is no better than the other and people have been conditioned to “their concept of the truth” as opposed to the truth as it exists by the moral and ethical standards even a 3 year old would recognize. .
November 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
I have complied a few headlines from around the US that are quite scary as to what is really happening. Do you think CNN will be headlines these?
http://www.thecomingdepression.blogspot.com
November 19th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Hanston: You captured my opinions on this article and this site perfectly. There are no positive messages and no solutions provided anywhere. I don’t know if people realize that it is a hundred times easier to point out a problem than it is to provide a solution.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
“Zero carbon emissions? That would lead to the near complete reversal of hundreds of years of technological progress and man’s return to the stone age.” AND the following ludicrous statements.
Errr, unless we turn to alternative sources of fuel and thereby advance technological progress into the next century.
Who is this dumb-ass?
November 19th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I personally think that people are beginning to feel the pinch from overuse of fossil fuels. That being said as PRIVATE industry begins to develop alternative techologies people who have excess capital will choose to purchase those products that give them independence from fossil fuels out of 1) a true concern for diminishing resources and 2) it will give them economic advantage say an electric car that can be charged at home verusus having to gas stop every 3 or 4 days.
Innovation is best left handled to innovators not regulators. If the government decides it will pave the brave new path for alternative energies then the whole idea will fail in my opinion. Government is absolutely no position to enter into production or set production ideals and regulations. Let the markets decide, overall the general populace will see more benefit from the creation of jobs and better products. I just don’t get this whole ideology people have that government can solve problems or stimulate the economy. Trust me I have worked for government and for independant contractors who have government contracts. Red tape and bureaucracy work against true progress not stimulate true progress. Government should coin money and set its value and enforce contracts between parties and from there on out it should get the hell out of the way.
November 19th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Freedom without rice is better than capture with it!
The “South Indian Monkey Trap” was developed by villagers to catch the ever-present and numerous small monkeys in that part of the world. It involves a hollowed-out coconut chained to a stake. The coconut has some rice inside which can be seen through a small hole. The hole is just big enough so that the monkey can put his hand in, but too small for his fist to come out after he has grabbed the rice.
Tempted by the rice, the monkey reaches in and is suddenly trapped. He is not able to see that it is his own fist that traps him, his own desire for the rice. He rigidly holds on to the rice, because he values it. He cannot let go and by doing so retain his freedom. So the trap works and the villagers capture him.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
43) What a wicked web is weaved when the object is to deceive. I’m sure during your upbringing that when a lie is told, bigger ones keep coming, until the truth is finally let out of the bag right on target.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Jason Dean, I live in Europe. You lie about Europe’s growth. Greenhouse gases are an excuse for overtaxation and overregulation. You know it and you lie about it because it somehow benefits you.
November 19th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
46) Why are you sure this technology will ever be used, the US auto industry can’t get a loan… Don’t worry about global warming though, because the earth will be mostly covered with ice again in 10,000 years. Look up the latest scientific data for yourself?
November 19th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
He will wait until the recession is ove with before he puts that tax, IF the recession ever gets over with.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
This is absolute treason at it’s finest.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
We are already in a depression you dimwit paranoid!
November 19th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
This whole global warming carbon non sense is fake! Watch the Iron Mountain report in google video.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
The great depression needs no assistance. It is weeellll on the way. Please pass the Ice House and peanuts because this is giving me a really bad hair day. You non elite, elluminati,biter, fallen angel demons are groooossss. I just love bbq and you are it on pentecost 2012. You know the local freaks. MMMMMmm I want mango chutney on my roasted reptilian shish ka bob. ps your surveillance goons are a joke and have bad teeth but really coool factory direct cars. love ya……..not TCB and oh yes, the remnant……………………….
November 19th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
The great depression needs no assistance. It is weeellll on the way. Please pass the Ice House and peanuts because this is giving me a really bad hair day. You non elite, elluminati,biter, fallen angel demons are groooossss. I just love bbq and you are it on pentecost 2012. You know the local freaks. MMMMMmm I want mango chutney on my roasted reptilian shish ka bob. ps your surveillance goons are a joke and have bad teeth but really coool factory direct cars. love ya……..not TCB and oh yes, the remnant……………………….
November 19th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
The Bible says if you do evil, I will give you evil Rulers. Think about that!
November 19th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Funny how it works isn’t it? How race of people, always, never gets above the third world economy, all the sharing of wealth in the world will never a help to help them. they will never come up to your level of understanding of anything close to it, they destroy everything that you do good and replace it with total caoss, be it morals, economy, education, of even “God” Mandella did it in S. Africa, and now, you have turned one loose here to do the same.
What happens most of the time is they pull you down to their level in all the areas mentioned above, and more. If you wanted to live like they do in China and the USSR, before you voted for the communist leadership here you should have gone over there to see how your type of freedom really works. thank you very much for taking away my rights to a job of my choice, my freedom of speech, my right to bear arms, my right to trust in the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
Thanks for giving me NOTHING for SOMETHING . . . Lord Jesus, come quickly . . .
November 19th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Ok who said this will cause a “great depression” (?) because that person has rocks for brains:)
November 19th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Amen Unohoo…. Just hang in there and be strong, and be ready to fight, soon these stupid “sheeple” are going to stop chanting “Yes we can!” and start screaming “OH s---!”.. They are doomed, and I am praying for this day to come, where I can splatter the f---ing brains of a pure moron that doesn’t share the same right to breathe as I do.. And is that a judgment I said, yes it is, but completely justifiable, I will not surrender my right to live, my right to be an asshole, my right to bear arms, and I will never give away my right to freedom of Religion and blaspheme Jesus by calling that f---ing lying communist president my Messiah… So my question to you Brother is; Are you ready? are you ready to fight? Or are you just talking smack on the net because it is the only safe place to? I am ready to let you stand next to me, and I am ready to stand next to you.. The day is coming soon, be ready, be strong…
November 19th, 2008 at 9:15 pm
read the enegy bill, dec 2007 it was passed, Obama is in on it, I am telling U the truth, research yourself
November 19th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Time to brush up on gasometry.
Get out the eudiometer.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Capitation here we come.
Venal, so why not compound a felony.
November 19th, 2008 at 10:32 pm
It’s a shame that the World Wrestling Federation – oops, I mean World Wrestling Entertainment – has tons more credibility than the World Wildlife Fund.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:20 pm
The autarchy must remain free, the autocracy SHALL NOT be infringed upon.
WAKE UP!!!
Shall YOU allow the brigandism by the bankers to go on?
‘Tis up to YOU.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:12 am
lets see.. 4.3 trillion divided by 200 million is 21,500 each. more than enough to put solar and wind power on every rooftop saving everyone over 1,000 every year. GM could go into producing permanent magnet versions of their own alternators for small windmills and might not need a bailout, someone(s) mass producing grid-feed inverters, so battery storage is not required, brings the price of inverters down. the surplus energy would pay for servicing and replacements. “carbon footprint” is reduced and no need for the whole sneakys--- carbon tax. Geothermal power could replace the nuclear power plants so we arent running around throwing depleted uranium at each other, Iran could have electricity without a potential for nuclear weapons and Israel could maybe STFU with their fear mongering threats about it, if the US were to able show them the program. big foreign corporations want US land to build MEGA-MILLS and charge us for the electricity, and that kind of idea gets approval with eminent domain land seizure, gee thanks?
big energy isnt gonna go out of business or stop making money if all the homes producing power are grid connected, they’re going to need more service techs to maintain it. so theres manufacturing, installation, maintenance, JOBS.. always means taxes and profits doesnt it?
its a better solution than what these thieving looters are doing. power to the people MoFo’s.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:14 am
I found the link to this news release in the daily column on urbansurvival.com
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- 11/14/2008
Cow tax proposal would threaten agriculture viability
“With the economy in bad shape and the possibility of a deep recession looming, the Environmental Protection Agency is proposing to levy new taxes—on cows and pigs,” American Farm Bureau Federation Director of Regulatory Relations Rick Krause told Wyoming Farm Bureau members at their annual meeting. Krause spoke in Sheridan on Nov. 7.
“This is no laughing matter,” Krause said. “The cow tax and the pig tax are parts of a larger scheme by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to regulate greenhouse gases under the Clean Air Act.”
“Under the proposal, if a state charged the “presumptive minimum rate” from the EPA, the cow tax would be $175 per dairy cow, $87.50 per head for beef cattle and a little more than $20 per pig,” Krause explained.
Krause explained that the U.S. Department of Agriculture says that a producer with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs would emit more than 100 tons of carbon and be subject to the permitting requirements. “These thresholds would impact 99 percent of dairy producers, over 90 percent of beef producers and 95 percent of hog producers in the United States,” Krause stated.
According to Krause, the EPA has issued an Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking in preparation to regulate automobile greenhouse gas emissions under the Clean Air Act (CAA). “The regulation of automobile emissions automatically initiates other provisions of the CAA,” Krause explained. “One of those provisions requires permits from anyone who emits more than 100 tons of a regulated pollutant per year and there are millions of sources that emit more than 100 tons of carbon.”
The Title V permits, that are essentially a cow and pig tax, are supposed to contain provisions designed to reduce or eliminate the emissions of the regulated pollutant. “Cows and pigs methane emissions come from natural and biological processes,” Krause stated.
“The economic costs to producers from the cow and pig tax would be great and could cause the cost of beef, pork and dairy prices to rise,” Krause continued. “The cow and pig tax would impose severe penalties on livestock producers in the United States without effectively reducing greenhouse gas levels in the atmosphere.”
The comment deadline for the cow and pig tax is Nov. 28. Visit http://www.wyfb.org to find the link for information.
In other national issues, Krause addressed endangered species issues, including the wolf.
“I remember back in 1993 we were talking about how they will continue to change the numbers of wolves required,” Krause said. “Unfortunately, our assumption was accurate and even though there are five times more packs than needed for recovery, it has come down to a federal judge in Montana.”
“They are arguing there is no genetic exchange,” He said. “Well, the whole reason in the first place they were introduced is because they could not get here on their own. How are you going to have genetic interchange?”
“So what are we going to expect from the Endangered Species Act in the next four years?” Krause asked. “While only time will tell, we can expect no amendments to the ESA as those who are opposed to common sense management will work to keep it as is.”
The Wyoming Farm Bureau Federation is the state’s largest general agriculture organization. Members work together from the grassroots to develop agricultural policy, programs and services to enhance the rural lifestyle of Wyoming.
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Contact: Ken Hamilton, Executive Vice President, 307-721-7712, khamilton@wyfb.org
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Phone 307.745.4835 Fax 307.721.7790 Email kclark@wyfb.org
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November 20th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Oops – I just discovered this is one of the featured stories today.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
so sad !! greengos were so famous, not any more.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:02 am
It is telling that this was one of the featured articles on the website. The author should have a look outside of conventional economic theory (not that these computations are considered very rational in conventional terms). It is easy to get stuck in the simplistic evaluations of a country’s wealth with GDP. Have a look at this article: http://www.pacificsun.com/story.php?story_id=2504
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