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  • Obama Recommends Congress ‘Renew’ Patriot Act Domestic ‘Surveillance Methods’

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    Little Alex in Wonderland
    September 18, 2009

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    The Washington Post reports the Justice Department “recommended that Congress move swiftly with legislation that would protect the government’s ability to collect a variety of business and credit card records and to monitor terrorism suspects with roving wiretaps” set to expire 31 December 09.

    Carrie Johnson and Ellen Nakashima report:

    The three provisions set to expire Dec. 31 allow investigators to monitor through roving wiretaps suspects who may be trying to escape detection by switching cellphone numbers, obtain business records of national security targets, and track “lone wolves” who may be acting alone on behalf of foreign powers or terrorist groups. The government has not employed the lone wolf provision, but department officials want to ensure they can do so in the future.

    Obama’s approach to electronic surveillance has been closely watched since he shifted positions during the presidential campaign last year, casting a vote to update the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act over the objections of liberals in his party. That law granted telecommunication companies immunity from lawsuits by Americans who argued that their privacy had been violated in an electronic data collection program….

    The Justice Department inspector general issued blistering audits in 2007 and 2008, finding, for instance, that FBI agents had used demands for information known as national security letters in many cases where they were not authorized and had employed other tools called exigent letters to quickly obtain data without proper follow-up.

    “As a presidential candidate, Barack Obama said he would take a close look at the law, based on his past expertise in constitutional law,” Devlin Barrett reported at the Associated Press. “Back in May, President Obama said legal institutions must be updated to deal with the threat of terrorism, but in a way that preserves the rule of law and accountability,” adding:

    The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.

    “It should come as no surprise that President Barack Obama supports renewing the provisions, which were part of the Patriot Act approved six weeks after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks,” David Kravets writes at Wired. “As an Illinois senator in 2008, he voted to allow the warrantless monitoring of Americans’ electronic communications if they are communicating overseas with somebody the government believes is linked to terrorism. That legislative package, which President George W. Bush signed, also immunized the nation’s telecommunication companies from lawsuits charging them with being complicit with the Bush administration’s warrantless, wiretapping program. That program was also adopted in the wake of Sept. 11.”

    On Tuesday, National Intelligence Director Dennis Blair said that the U.S. is spending $75 billion a year on “intelligence activities”, Adam Entous reports at Reuters (h/t: Jason Ditz), adding that:

    It has disclosed the amount spent by the 16 intelligence agencies — $47.5 billion in 2008 alone — but those figures did not incorporate the military’s intelligence activities, officials said.

    Blair, in a conference call with reporters, explained that his four-year strategy was not set up on the “traditional fault line … between military intelligence and national intelligence.”

    “This whole distinction between military and non-military intelligence is no longer relevant,” Blair said.

    The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a hearing on the U.S.A. Patriot Act [sic] next week.

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    94 Responses to “Obama Recommends Congress ‘Renew’ Patriot Act Domestic ‘Surveillance Methods’”

    1. Reptilian Ground TrÒóp4 Says:

      We need to change those chants of Hope into Rope.

      m-c hamer Reply:

      Yeah a good old “hemp rope” like the founding fathers would have used, it makes the best rope in fact they used it for alot of reasons not just for very good rope ,other stuff as well…..

      JonVon Reply:

      IF we lived in a free country farmers could grow it and sick people could use it as medicine. Too bad we don’t.

      Vote Third Party Reply:

      Obama is expanding the executive branch of power which is WHY WE AS AMERICANS NEED TO THINK ABOUT WHO WE REALLY VOTE FOR AND NOT WHO WE SEE MOST OFTEN ON TV!

      Vote 3rd Party if you want real change
      http://www.Vote3rdPartyNow.org

      JJ Reply:

      UPDATE 1-US charges Obama fund-raiser in $290 million fraud
      Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:23pm EDT
      http://www.reuters.com/article.....7520090921

      ionza Reply:

      more like an hump rope, your senate is nothing except a bunch of rapist. this is what the senate does, the pump everything
      they hump oil, they hump woman, they hump your money,
      that is all your country does,
      worthless america,

      ionza Reply:

      oohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh now i am acting as a agent, hurry call the cops and assisnate me

      gigabytexxl Reply:

      i like the picture to this article. get satirical humor.

      Red Dawn 09 Reply:

      It is one big dog and pony show now. Congress really has no say. The people really have no say. 99% of “we the people” did not want the banker bailouts. It passed. So do you really think talking to them will get you anywere? Learn how to fight them the right way by clicking my name. No ad’s telling you to buy stuff just information. Video’s,movies,blog’s and text for those who still enjoy reading. Updated daily and all newly awakened patriots welcome.

      JSilly Reply:

      Red Dawn 09 has a good sight joined up there a week or two ago. The more people we can get together the better. I suggest you make your own sight to reach more people. Times are changing fast and its time to start planning! Thanks to all who are doing there part!!!

      DErAngeD Reply:

      fine example of how george bush f,,ked us, and now obama will do so even harder.

      Jonathan Basye Reply:

      Love the Lord your God with all your heart soul and mind ~This is to Christians, Fight Evil with every fiber in your being and take action to it. But Love and care for the Average sinner that does not side with evil but are tricked and duped by sin. Keep yourself Holy and purity in tacked so that you can stand and come against evil and overcome sin. In Spiritual warfare there is a fight and a war and I see many Christians who want to remain in the puffy cloud of ignorance against evil and that’s why we are in the situation that we are in today. Christians you must take action and not allow evil to exist and do nothing and ignore the Evil till it has a stranglehold on a nation. You need to know and learn what the face of your enemy looks like and Idly stand by and do nothing God will give you discernment use it and take action

      Reply

      Thank You Reply:

      “Christians who want to remain in the puffy cloud of ignorance against evil and that’s why we are in the situation that we are in today. Christians you must take action and not allow evil to exist and do nothing and ignore the Evil till it has a stranglehold on a nation. You need to know and learn what the face of your enemy looks like and Idly stand by and do nothing God will give you discernment use it and take action”

      LONG OVER DUE. I commend you. That’s the very reason I left mainstream religion They were fogbound, gulable, lazy, stagnated and in denial. I believe God requires more than that.

      JUST ME Reply:

      we, the followers of YHWH are are a odd and particular flock. Not large yet emboldened with the truths of Yashua………..he is on the way. this too shall pass and we are giving everything in our power to tear down your evil strongholds and fortresses. We do not fear you. we are not strong per se , weak and persecuted, yet we persist and will until the day. we do not hate you who are our enemies…………..just get on the right side of history. we shall never, ever stand down in the almighty name of YHWH……………………………………love to all others. just me777

      WAYNE PACIFIC Reply:

      THE “LONE WOLFS” ARE WE AMERICANS THAT OPPOSE THE TOTALITARIAN NATION THAT WE ARE BECOMING UNDER BRITISH/ISRAEL DOMINANCE. IF A PERSON BELONGS TO AN ISRAELI TERRORIST GROUP HE IS CONSIDERED AN ELITE AND IS EXEMPTED BY THE COWED US GOVERNMENT.

    2. bullsh!t Says:

      Former Italian President Francesco Cossiga, who revealed the existence of Operation Gladio, has told Italy’s oldest and most widely read newspaper that the 9-11 terrorist attacks were run by the CIA and Mossad, and that this was common knowledge among global intelligence agencies.

      http://tvnewslies.org/tvnl/ind.....10726.html

      Patriot_in_Arms Reply:

      47.5 BILLION Dollars for surveillance in the United States alone! If they’re spending that kind of money on domestic surveillance, they’re (The FBI, DHS, etc..) not just sitting around talking shop all day. They have to be doing a whole hell of allot of stuff that we’re not aware of, to be spending that kind of money, every year. Maybe that’s not allot of money for these departments to spend, I’m not an expert on it, but it seems like allot & my guess is, they’re getting their moneys worth?

      suburychange Reply:

      Seems like it’d be a heck of a lot less expensive just to kill most everybody with some kind of poison or something……..oh…right….

      JonVon Reply:

      It takes a lot of money to train retards to make fake bombs and years to convince them to “blow” something up.

      ionza Reply:

      they are committing war crimes on you idiots. they waste more money on causing crimes than they do arresting people.

      ionza Reply:

      i reported some slaves to your fbi why wont they help them, oh, that is right there busy making money off of them, this is what the fbi says, we can get them medical help. i bet you will mr fbi. war crimes, that is all this country is good for

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      Ever notice how Obama’s ears make him look like a cheap brown car with open doors?

      Captain Kirk Reply:

      Racist against brown cars are we watcher?

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      “Obama” aka “Soetoro” aka “Dunham” aka “Turd Brown” = Dumbo ears darkie.

      Tcc Reply:

      Mabus?

    3. suzque Says:

      A government that has run out of excuses for others (countries/people) being the enemy best be afraid of its own citizens. This only proves that the average citizen is NOT happy with the status quo of the current econonomy nor anything else going on within congress. Instead of fixing such problems, they have decided to spy instead. Pathetic indeed. This is the beginning of the end if this is the case. Nixon used wiretaps and was ousted out of office for it…how dare the government do the same thing to the general public.

    4. sudburychange Says:

      Am I to understand that The Congress (your representatives) will have a say in this? If so, you guys all know what to do, get those phone lines lit up to your representatives and tell’em “hell no”! Are there some bill numbers or something we should be referencing?

    5. sorcival Says:

      CALL all of your representatives and congressmen and senators non-stop and
      yell “NO”. until the damned criminal patriot act is abolished!!!
      Start now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    6. SameShitDifferentPresident Says:

      When the PATRIOT ACT and Wiretapping were backed by Pres Bush, the Washington Post and NYT had a lot to say about it. Now, they say things like this:

      Michelle Richardson, legislative counsel at the American Civil Liberties Union, said it was “refreshing” to see the administration’s willingness to work with Congress. “The question is, what will the final bill look like?”

      Ah…how refreshing that Obama is willing to discuss options in regards to illegally spying on American Citizens without a warrant or cause that he is going to renew. How refreshing.

      PATHETIC MEDIA

      ionza Reply:

      michells is dumb

    7. jmc Says:

      well shit why don’t they just roll out act III

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      Why don’t the trivial media bastards just discuss the ugly and atrociously dressed “First Bag Lady Michelle”? By endorsing Obama’s policies, which are the worse than Bush’s, the media is kissing Obama’s black ass.

    8. Rayu Says:

      Let me break it down for the mindless progressives:

      Obama = Bush. Bush bad. Obama bad. Torture baad. Illegal wirtapping bad. Wars baad under Bush. Wars baad under Obama. Obama bad man.

    9. 170 I.Q. Says:

      DIDJESUSGIVEUSTHE…

      javascript:downloadingImage(’[0]‘,’fileAtt’)

      witman Reply:

      170? And you can’t figure out how to paste a link?

      witman Reply:

      Or are you asking if your programmer Jesus has delivered the javascript? It’s nice that Jesus can code Java because I could use some help here.

    10. Revolution_Kid Says:

      And the bad part about it is 47 billion dollars and how many terrorist have they captured?
      clearly none because most of the terrorist are in the white house
      rayu let me break it down even further
      Bush+Patriot Act=Evil
      Obama x Patriot Act=Betrayal
      United States – Obama [or banks]= Great Country
      you cannot spell patriot without RIOT!!

    11. WTF Says:

      Big shocker on this story. Another puppet keeps the agenda alive. Again I’m shocked!! Get out while you still can people.

      nader paul kucinich gravel Reply:

      AIPAC’s (neocon) Uncle Tom

      saturnx311 Reply:

      wish I could; i would

    12. Thanks from David Rockefeller! Says:

      TRAITOR WE CAN’T BELIEVE IN!

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      Why hasn’t anyone ever confronted wrinkled old ARLEN SPECTER about his role in helping the “Warren Commission” hide the facts in the JFK assassination? There is PROOF Specter LIED under oath. Looks like Specter earned himself a job for life by being a player in a huge NWO murder.

    13. FightOrDie!!! Says:

      The Big Ear One is so full of Sh t!!! & that’s why: Friday, September 18, 2009 The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Friday shows that 32% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as President. Forty percent (40%) Strongly Disapprove giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -8.

    14. Christopher Lance Says:

      What a liar he is!

    15. oiu Says:

      This weeks crimes…

      http://www.chimpout.com/forum/.....y.php?f=35

    16. Palehorse Says:

      God hates eavesdroppers;

    17. Code B Says:

      You want to know they mean by H.O.P. E.

      H – Hell O – On – P – Planet E – Earth

    18. hh Says:

      White Satanic Disorder!!

      JonVon Reply:

      go away already

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      hh – Satan lives at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, get your facts straight, boy.

    19. Code 1882773 Says:

      So what does this mean for us? Sounds like the motion picture Enemy Of The State – Evaesdropping on anything even things such as survillance cameras of you buying a pack of underwear, and what books or CD’s you buy? Watch the Burger King camera feeds watch you eat that greasy Whopper sandwich and fries?? Why do they want to know what our life is? Also watch us through the Grocery store cameras seeing how many groceries we bought and how much we put back? Cause if they are spying in the grocery stores and malls they should see why people cannot afford enough to eat. Watching you still buy packs and packs of cigerettes anyways cause of stress. Huh? You think its fun seeing people on camera starving THINK AGAIN! UNCLE SPAM!

      High Priestess Reply:

      This matter arose because some false brothers had infiltrated our ranks to spy on the freedom we have in Christ Jesus and to make us slaves.

      THE WATCHER Reply:

      Gilette has installed sensor controlled cameras that capture your image when you remove their product from the store display, then they use face scanning software and product sensors at the check outs to be sure you pay for the item. That’s one of the reasons I went back to using the double edge razors like grandpa used. No more disposable plastic razors for me – the old fashion double edge razor blades only cost $1.75 for a pack of ten (one blade lasts a week) and, when combined with a brush, mug, and shaving soap, they shave BETTER than the latest five bladed “trick on a stick” models.

    20. ionza Says:

      We know we have a serious problem here and all this web site can do is talk trash. Why aren’t any of you better than though teaching all the people the laws and making money to stop them. Some where in America their is a person who needs the countries help and all you can do is write about it and not teach on how to stop the fed. If the freedom of information act is ignored then why can’t i sue any one. Want to tell me that. You are not any help on this site. I hate all of you. Encryption and the Senate will hopefully go away. Hopefully the President charges all of you with war crimes, and conspiracy. What did Clinton lie to the UN about. Anybody know that. Takes thousands of dollars to take these people down. Yet, if we sell the laws right back to them then maybe someone will fight for our freedom. YA RIGHT> I HATe all of you.

      witman Reply:

      Soooo, essentially, all you did was complain and not offer any solutions?

    21. Sir Baby De Porky Says:

      Terrorists ?!? Where ?!?

      P.S. Lone wolfs ?!? I can take care of lone wolfs myself , it’s the official organised packs that are
      a problem !!!

      107.7 The Lone Wolf Reply:

      HOWL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    22. MysterY Says:

      http://www.evilbible.com

      As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace. If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor. But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town. When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town. But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder. You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.

      What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

    23. PrivateSi Says:

      Surveille my SPHINCTER! Who’s watching the watchers? You’ll GO blind PEEPING TOMS!!
      FUNNY TUNE by Peeping Tom – got something to do with lone wolfs and satellites..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7b-U5wSEfk

    24. ENGELBURT Says:

      SOUNDS LIKE -

      OBAMA’S
      OGPU

    25. a j Says:

      As the time goes on , people of america have everyday less and less freedom due to politics conducted by federal power. Also , as a consequence of the economic crisis , more and more of them have lost their job and home. But the crisis is not finished , and in near future the consequences could be catastrophic. Keep in mind that any change can not come from the federal government , but only the people , the only source of any future chagement. If a majority of them think a change is possible , so it can be. A way to preserve freedom , ideals , welfare of people is federalism must come to an end. People will have to make a choise , federalism versus freedom , ideals , welfare… . The first could lead to the establishment of a martial law. A state as texas is ready to cross the line , it could be an example for the others. People could put under pressure every state government in the aim to declare secession , the american constitution allow such a decision. Such an aim can’t be aimed without any precaution , as it is evident the federal power is not ready to yield or abdicate. Probably , this one will use force to submit people , but constitution give garantees on firearms. people can put up a fight against the oppressive federal power if a political issue according to the will of people can not be lead. People have to make his will respect , otherwise it will be an opressed people. Saying that federalism must come to an end mean it must be break down , it appears to be the only way to preserve people. America can be easily imagined without federalism and preserved.
      a j

      saturnx311 Reply:

      That’s just it: WE DON”T NEED A MAJORITY!!!
      Remember– the squeaky wheel gets the grease. Why do special interests get what they want? Because they make noise!! People, we need to get together and go to Washington, and make some noise!

    26. 107.7 The Lone Wolf Says:

      http://soungle.com/index.php?p.....amp;free=1 Here are the lone wolves calling for freedom!!

      ___________________
      ___________________
      ___________________
      __________*********
      __________*********
      __________*********

      roaddog6 Reply:

      the patriot act is the biggest assualt on the constitution.

      Crito Reply:

      But it’s called the patriot act so the people who support it must be patriots. Just because they talk like traitors and act like traitors doesn’t prove they are traitors.

      My mother buys rotten cr@p from the “fresh” market too.

    27. max Says:

      Obama Liar Posters contest should be next!!!!

    28. JAH JAH Says:

      This is what the PATRIOT ACT DID TO ME!!!!! CORPORATE ESPIONAGE_
      http://www.mcjahjah.com/law/co.....Cover.html

      saturnx311 Reply:

      What does this mean?

    29. Herrmann Goering Says:

      who thinks martial law comes within one hour of Israel attack on Iran?

    30. Captain Kirk Says:

      The patriot act was the first gigantic crap out the ass of the man after 911 – My father died in Nov. 2000 – The only good thing about his death in retrospect in that he didn’t have to watch the last 9 years of the Bush and Barry show.

    31. JW Says:

      The more things “Change” the more they stay the same.

    32. LuckyOne Says:

      Since it’s racist to argue Obama’s policies, why don’t we focus on Joe Biden? He’s in favor of most of Obama’s policies and he’s white.

      And let’s not forget Pelosi, though you may be charged with being sexist.

      saturnx311 Reply:

      good point

      Crito Reply:

      I don’t like Obama because he’s not black enough.

      Samuel L. Jackson for president! :o
      http://www.samuelljackson.com/

      LOL

    33. Herrmann Goering Says:

      I’m frankly sick and tired of seeing these mindless Christian posts as above!!!!! I’m calling you people out on this – get off your arses and drop the religious drivel for some moments, and tackle the life-ruining issues at hand!!! Damn you!!!

    34. john doe Says:

      T H E Y C A M E A N D T O O K M Y D I S H B O X
      A N D G A V E M E A NEW ONE
      MY OLD ONE LOOK SOMTHING WAS
      VEARY FISHY

    35. VINCENT FRIESS Says:

      If the government could be spend all that money on the national debt we might be out of it now

    36. kevint Says:

      are liberty is totally being screwed and yet most americans dont seem to carebecause they believe all the hype about terrorism i wauld like to see the list and interview the average joes and i would ask them do u no u cant buy guns cause ur “on the list” they would respond with something like no we can its in the constitution. Then id say i no but it was stripped away from u because they think your a threat to our security. and after talking with about the million ppl on that list maybe it could stir something up with the citizens WE ALL AS CITIZENS HAVE RIGHTS AND ONE BY ONE THEY ARE TRYING TO TAKE THEM AWAY NO NO NO NO NO WE CAN NOT LET THIS HAPPEN WE CAN NOT FALL UNDER A DICTATOR REGIME WE NEED TO TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK FROM WALL ST AND THE FUCKERS THAT WORK FOR THEM AND WE NEED TO GET OUR LIBERTY BACK DAMN IT

    37. witman Says:

      At least type it up on a webpage and just post a link to it.

    38. isaac Says:

      The lone wolf provision was created to conduct surveillance on suspects with no known link to foreign governments or terrorist groups. It has never been used, but the administration says it should still be available for future investigations.
      This is a lie and I have photos and license plate numbers of persons involved in doing so that I have collected over the past 2 years from all over the U.S.A.

    39. goodseed Says:

      The 911 lie is fuelling everything the NWO has done since. Until we cut off the fuel once and for all, and Chertoff and Obama are forced to admit the lie, we are not going to head off their advances.

      We are not finished with 911 truth until everybody knows. Don’t let up on them. The Infowar is not over until the truth prevails.

      Print some of these.

      http://www.thegoodseed.com/Wha.....On%209.pdf

    40. Truther is a SPOOFER Says:

      SO 1ST HATE HIM, THEN KILL HIM! The bible says this is OK.
      http://www.evilbible.com!

    41. Hologram5 Says:

      I am tired of these bastards taking away my rights. DO NOT RENEW THE PATRIOT ACT. IT IS THE BIGGEST RAPER OF CIVIL LIBERTIES ON THE BOOKS TODAY. TIME FOR REVOLUTION. TIME TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS PEOPLE.

    42. big bear Says:

      HELL NO//////////////////////

    43. BigPearl Says:

      Trying much too hard there.

      Burger King? Ewww.

      No photos have been taken. None at all. Just video of the helicopter over the house. Who trained the pilots?

      FEAR. FEAR. FEAR. TERROR. TERROR. TERROR.

      Do I cause you some discomfort?

    44. BigPearl Says:

      Whatreallyhappened to Mussolini?

      Hanged upside down by his ankles and beaten to death in a shower of spit and urine.

    45. rick Says:

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page

      get this story about fusion centers and micrsoft up now!

    46. calibear Says:

      start fighting ,stop this bull sh.. talking, it hasnt worked yet get some balls and buy some GUNs and FOOD. your going need it ….. you may have like two too three months ….maybe not?
      good luck to all

    47. goodseed Says:

      I challenge you to print ten of these and give them to ten people that you know who are in denial about 911.

      http://www.thegoodseed.com/Wha.....On%209.pdf

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    49. maelstrom Says:

      here’s a recommendation: put Obama on the no-fly list for life and use robust interrogation techniques to get to the truth of 911.

    50. Sad Sue Says:

      It seems like MSM has become the Congress and the Senate. They tell the legislative body how to vote and the general public how to think. If you watch the news now you have to wonder what other meaning it has and research and look for documents on line, and not news stories, just to get the truth. It’s impossible to watch the news and feel like you are getting the Truth. I think the public can’t even believe video’s anymore because what you see with your eyes isn’t always the truth. We need to throw out this baby (MSM) along with the bath water (Congress, Senate, and the Federal Reserve).

    51. james lloyd media Says:

      Click on my name and view a short little video on youtube that is quite revealing.

    52. dev Says:

      PROOF that Alex Jones is WHITEWASHING Ron Paul:

      Ron Paul speech:

      “Mr. Speaker, I support President Bush and voted for the authority and the money to carry out his
      responsibility to defend this country, but the degree of death and destruction and chances of
      escalation must be carefully taken into consideration.”

      source: http://www.house.gov/paul/cong.....092501.htm

      “death” and “destruction” is what Ron Pauls vote gave to iraq and afghanistan on Bushs side .. Ron Paul is guilty on massmurder on 2 countries … and Alex Jones tires to whitewash the truth … he calls Ron Paul a “hero” .. oh .. when you attack to countries you are a “hero” Alex Jones heh ? You are sick.

      You guys who call these 2 morons heros are complete uneducated morons without logic thinking.

      Who supports Ron Paul supports a massmurder .. who supports Alex Jones supports his whitewasher and LIAR …