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Obama’s Imperial Decree: Target Oklahoma
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Remember the good old days, when one only had to watch out for the Federal Government’s twisted interpretation of the commerce clause to justify tyranny?
Well those days seem to be long gone. The Obama Administration has been employing an old tactic lately – what some might call an imperial threat – and they’re not doing it overseas, either.
STATES UNDER THREAT
The state of Oklahoma is now the target of a direct challenge from US Attorney General Eric Holder, who is using the Civil Rights Act of 1964 as justification to violate Oklahoma’s sovereignty as affirmed by the Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution.
In a letter written to the State Attorney General in April, the Federal government used aggressive language, bringing up the possibility of withholding Federal funds appropriated for Oklahoma. The reason? A proposed amendment to the State Constitution, which requires voter approval, that would make English the official language of the State.
“What it indicates is the Federal Government’s contempt for the states, in this case Oklahoma, and for the idea of federal — as opposed to national — government. AG Holder believes that Oklahoma is an administrative subdivision of the USA, and that it is perfectly right for him to coerce Oklahomans to do his will. Who cares whether he has ever been to Oklahoma, met an Oklahoman, or thought about Oklahoma?” said Kevin Gutzman, an American historian and New York Times bestselling author.
Oklahoma is not alone as a state challenged by central authority in recent months. Recently, federal firearms licensees in Tennessee and Montana received a letter from another Federal agency, the ATF, who had also issued a decree wrought with hubris – claims by the Federal government of their legal supremacy across the land.
DESTROYING LOCAL GOVERNMENT
“Both of these letters, particularly this letter to the Attorney General of Oklahoma, are very officious,” observed Rob Natelson, professor of law at the University of Montana. “It reminds one eerily of the kinds of communications that started to come out from the Emperor to the local cities of the Roman Empire, beginning the course of the ultimate destruction of local government.”
Professor Natelson is a widely-recognized expert on the framing and adoption of the United States Constitution, and on several occasions, he has been the first to uncover key background facts about the Constitution’s meaning. I knew this before our conversation. What I didn’t know, however, was that he’s also been studying Roman Law and history for the past 50 years, and is responsible for several works in that field.
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“During the 2nd century AD, the Roman Emperors began increasingly to interfere with local government and they did this with…letters…letters that look something like this,” continued Natelson, indicating the letter from Holder to Oklahoma. “They started out as almost advisory and they got increasingly peremptory. By the end of the 2nd century, there was very little local government left. You had very few people, therefore, willing to participate in local elections; very little patriotic spirit towards one’s own province or city. And this was the harbinger for the ultimate centralization of the Roman Empire.”
He continued with a strong, decisive tone, “Almost everyone who’s studied in that area agrees that the effect was to sap the life out of the empire, so that everything flowed to the center. All that counted was the Emperor and his bureaucrats…and his courtiers. I look at this and I see this letter which gets close to looking like an order from the central government down to a sovereign state legislature, and I say…WOW. This looks like something that Septimius Severus would have sent to the local officials.”
In Columbus, Ohio last weekend, a rally in support of State Sovereignty drew around 7,000 people. Judge Andrew Napolitano addressed the rally and made similar comments indicating the nature of our current point in US history.
“In the long history of the world, very few generations have been granted the role of defending freedom in its maximum hour of danger. This is that moment and you are that generation”
IMPERIALISM AND DECLINE
Are these men ‘crying wolf’?
“Some people might think that’s a far fetched analogy but I can’t emphasize enough how important this development is seen by historians. When people think of the collapse of the Roman Empire they think of the fall of Rome in 476 AD. The conversion of Rome from a relatively free state – almost a Federation – into a totalitarian state, really picked up speed and accelerated during the 2nd century [AD], with this increasing intermeddling by the central authorities in local state government. That’s what it reminded me of,” recalled Natelson.
“[The DOJ] are not violating any law by sending these letters, but there’s a change in tone, there’s a new and disturbing tone in them. At least the ATF letter was addressed to individuals. This one is addressed to a state legislature – really, it’s a bit much. Besides the fact that there’s the tone, there’s the fact that they sent the letters at all. Most of the letters that were sent out by the emperor were called rescripts, and that’s almost what [the letter from Holder] looks like. The one difference is that a rescript was usually a reply to a request for advice. In some ways this is worse than a rescript because this is unsolicited. A better way to compare it would be to an imperial constitutio – an imperial decision or decree.” Natelson added.
His Roman analogy is worth considering, for several reasons. Rome may have ended up a brutal dictatorship, but it began through a series of treaties between regions, and in some ways parallels present day America.
“When you draw comparisons between the U.S. and ancient Rome, you have to be very cautious, though Rome does have lessons to offer us and the history and results of the relentless centralization of the Empire is one of them,” Natelson continued.
THE OTHER WAY AROUND
If there’s a case to be made that the US is headed for the same sort of central plan that sucks the life out of a Republic, it would be difficult to imagine who in the United States could be encouraged by such a trend, outside of DC’s beltway.
“Certainly state legislators in Oklahoma and congressmen from Oklahoma should put the Federal Government on notice that they will support a substantial reduction in the budget for Holder’s portion of the federal bureaucracy so long as he is trying to coerce them in this way.” recommended Gutzman.
Worldwide trends in recent political elections do exhibit signs of a move away from central planner candidates, a trend the United States has been contrary to for nearly a decade, but perhaps the pendulum has reversed itself.
“As the economy grows increasingly complicated, increasingly interdependent and increasingly technological, centralized control (which never worked very well) works less and less, and people are less willing to stand for it. This reflects a visceral gut reaction people have against centralized control, because they know from their own life it makes no sense, though it always takes time for those mega-trends to filter into the political class,” Natelson continued. “Eventually, when a mule gets hit over the head enough times it figures out what’s going on, and eventually the politicians will figure out what’s going on, too.”
People in the US are coming together by the thousands, demanding decentralization and nullification of Federal powers. Never before have the political elites had to contend with a non-partisan political force on such a massive scale. A storm seems to be brewing; a maelstrom of everyday Americans rallying around the document designed to keep the government in fear of the people – instead of the other way around.
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August 7th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Thanks for running this article! The line in the sand has been drawn, and the “dark lords” thought not a single freedom-loving soul would dare to cross it – but many are! In a most interesting twist on the ancient truth “when the student is ready, the teacher will appear”, we have the world’s attention focused on situation after situation in the USA where the “student”- whether it is the Federal government, or the absolutely corrupted “power elite”- is woefully Un-ready, and yet, their teachers, the good people of this country, have definately appeared. Please keep this in mind: the instant American blood is spilled on our soil, there goes the crazy myth that America is some kind of “safe-haven” for the rest of the world’s investments. People need to question how utterly stupid would the American government be (or “shadow”, behind-the-scenes government, actually) to do such a self-destructive thing, but we’ve learned that when it comes to common sense from an insane group of power-mad “overlords”, don’t expect too much. They have a strange “timetable” they’re operating from, and it has been delayed time and time again, and now they’ve literally gone nuts – so, let’s pray for divine inspiration, and do what we can on a human level to delay them even more. As wwe study the news, we see that their ability to make mistakes and tear their own masks off to reveal who they really are is becoming legendary, in quite awful ways. They have been cornered, and the claws are out. ***Here is an Interesting story, post what you can find out: A recent “coup attempt” or attempted “regime change” in Saudi Arabia??
Mr. RosenPew Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Nice rant, Wide thought coverage and well focused down to several valid points
Your teacher gives you and A+
~Bell Rings~
Now, Have A Great Weekend, kiddies !!!!
Acornholio Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Maybe the official language should be Kenyan
Malone Ducklo Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 11:48 am
has everyone read AMERIKA by Franz Kafka? there is a fine chapter called The Theater Of Oklahoma. Mr. K was a bit of a prophet.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:17 am
censr/wooow, stick to one screenname, please.
MAD DOG Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 11:30 am
THIS ASSHOLE IS ON ALL OF THE PAGES SAYING THIS
AND THEN SAYING
I’M OUTA HERE.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
THE INQUISITION HAS STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 7th, 2009 at 11:24 am
THE INQUISITION HAS STARTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
c4d4 Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
The Inquisition (Let’s begin)
The Inquisition (Look out sin)
We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew, Jew)
We’re gonna teach them wrong from right.
We’re gonna help them see the light
and make an offer that they can’t refuse. (That those Jews just can’t refuse)
Confess, don’t be boring.
Say yes, don’t be dull.
A fact you’re ignoring:
It’s better to lose your skull cap than your skull (or your govalt!)
August 7th, 2009 at 11:25 am
That’s exactly what I plan to tell anyone that shows up at my door. Don’t worry this shot won’t hurt. Go ahead get your vaccination I’ll watch…
August 7th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I’ll bet $1,000 that all the above messages are the same spammer.
Mr. RosenPew Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Would you like my account number then?
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I’ll take a check, please.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Good info is better than pizza coupon or Chinese menu…Tuck your fliers under their windshield wipers…
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Good tip. Been there, done that.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:32 am
This is the beginning of the Federal governemnt’s attempt to stop the federalism movement from really taking off. We need to call or e-mail the governor of Oklahoma as well as the members of their house and senate telling them not to give in. YOU need to call your state elected officials and tell them that they are not to give in to the federal government’s threats and manipulation. Read the Constitution and have others read it. These Fed bastards greatest enemy is a informed and ACTIVE American people. I know right now, Utah will be passing a Firearms Freedom Act and a State Sovereignty Declaration in January. Help fight the battle. Visit tenthamendmentcenter.com and TALK to your neighbors. Go to Tea Party rallies everywhere you can…people are waking up!
God Save the Republic
offinrunnin29 Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
i’ve lived in OK all my life and i was glad to see our state tell the feds to get lost. unfortunately our “governor” saw no need to approve the bill that restated our sovereignty as he thought the bill was redundant. thank goodness that our state reps had enough votes to pass this bill without the governor. i believe the time is ripe for a revolution that leaves no doubt what we the people want; the Constitution of the United States restored to THE supreme law of the land. power needs to be taken away from the idiotic, unconstitutional, and illegal federal governement and restored to the people!
shelly Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Very nicely put.! (offinrunnin29)
The Constitution of the United States and The Bill of Rights was made and designesd to protect us “We the People” from the coruption of governement. The Supreme Courts have an oth to serve justis to this country aswell. Thats why every American must learn and understand its value. Sad as it is schools dont enfore this concept to our childern. Just ask any kid any age, they DO NOT KNOW!!! Its up to parents, guardians, or anyone who knows a child to teach them about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. before its to late
Malone Ducklo Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
government also should stand between the money men and the people, but the government is now completely owned by the money men.
Marlboro Man Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
To the above I don,t know where you came up with using my name but you need to find another one bud I be using this name on here for over five years so get you a new name !!!!
IrishGal Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Perhaps we have hit on something here. The most direct route to return this republic to the Constitution is for as many states as possible to do just what Oklahoma and others are doing to reassert their rights under the 10th amendment to the Constitution. Every state taking this road must flip the bird to the Feds and go there on way. Tell’em “we don’t want your worthless fiat money”, we want FREEDOM! If enough states do this, then they can reorganize as a confederation of states until the movement grows to encompass as many states as possible and then the Feds will be rendered irrelevant and we can return to a Constitutional government and coin our own REAL money. The South and the Union will rise again!
August 7th, 2009 at 11:33 am
http://911essentials.com concurs:
“They will do whatever we let them get away with.” ~ Joseph Heller
August 7th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Whet your steel boys.
NOW IS THE TIME FOR ALL GOOD MEN TO COME TO THE AID OF THEIR COUNTRY.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:49 am
A comfortable, subsistence wage, at the bare minimum, would preclude the need for cheap labor and, by extension, a second language.
Oklahoma wants it both ways. They want slave labor, but they wouldn’t take responsibility for the physical needs of their slaves.
I’ve worked menial jobs. I know what kind of transportation is snazzy enough, what clothes are good enough, and what seems “luxurious” to put in my cooler. I know what kind of shelter is sufficient to meet my social obligations. In the greater scheme of things, my humble pleasures aren’t a drain on the great, big system.
In these blogs, I just read about “union thugs” and a “little guy,” who wanted me to organize. I’m not subordinate to any collective in particular. I don’t like the idea of having to twist anyone’s arm for the privilege of EARNING basic needs for myself.
Malone Ducklo Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
yeah, the cheap assholes don’t want to pay americans enough to live on. this is the real reason we are swaped with illegals.
James Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Why should we the taxpayers of Oklahoma be responsible for translating State documents that
aren’t meant for anyone but legal state residents? If you can’t afford to have something translated I am sure that La Raza or some other liberal “Being an American is a right, not a privalege” group will pay for it.
August 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
black o’bastard did say we’re gonna have to learn spanish. If you’re on a touch tone phone please press 3 for english.
IrishGal Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Anyone working in this country must be required to learn the language of the land, English! There is no other nation in the world that caters to this speak the immigrants language bulls---!
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
True. I don’t believe I’ve heard of any effort in the UK to pass a law requiring the British to learn Arabic.
Acornholio Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Have to learn Kenyan
August 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am
FEAR: Too many otherwise good, patriotic American’s are frozen with fear over current events. They are not going to make any preparations unless we get them out of the fear/freeze zone. If you know someone like this, I urge you to help them through it and find comfort in confronting and controlling their fears. It’s not going to get any easier. Better to help them through the psychological part of this now. There is no substitute for the support of good friends and family. However, if time and distance are an issue, I found a program that works. Visit my blog. God’s speed.
http://anxietyandpanicattackso.....gspot.com/
Vince Street
August 7th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
We are having a work shop from Educators from a AZ University this week end here in my town at the Community Collage. A dialogue approach to Political Issues of today and discuss what to do.They are teachers of The Constitution and will share what the law makers that are resisting the Feds on the national ID bill the hate crime bill and especially a forced Vaccine campaign> how to bring in ideas and the logicality of how local state and fed gov with out the permission of the people who vote the employers of theses elected officials can & how to legally stop this administration constitutionally in court,They also will discuss how to start a grass root movement with some power from the county level up to our State and to the Feds. with the Constitution behind us. To stop them from Executive demands and the so called hiring of illegal cabinet members with out discussion or vote from any level of say so from the states and elected officials against the Republic. Its time to Put Democracy in it’s place misinterpreting Democracy has gone on for to long.I’m tire of this Mob rule Agenda shoved down my throat!
WEREFEAT Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Yes.
Democracy bad.
Republic good.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
This is getting very interesting…
I’m glad to see this whole thing come to a head,we will either prevail as citizens of sovereign states,or fall into federal tyranny.
4w578i Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
I thought a nation-state only becomes “sovereign,” through recognition by the global(ist) community.
Slash`n`Burn Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
We are all born sovereign, we invest our sovereignty in our monarch, or in your case, your president, then you are a sovereign nation.
Peace and Love Si
August 7th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news.....SHIN731477
The issue was already cleared up and it was a legitimate issue so this article is really not that good.
Any ways, my opinion as a former Oklahoman, is that even though there are a fair amount of people with xenophobia in Oklahoma I sure hope they don’t pass this bill. Destorying others languages and cultures is not something to be proud of.
Mr. RosenPew Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I acknowledge your allowed an opinion…but that where it ends.
Need I say anymore, Manuela ?
IrishGal Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
The AMERICAN CULTURE is what is at risk here. We are a melting pot in which we become Americans, not all divided with hyphenated this and hyphenated that. If your home culture was so great why did you leave? Again this multi-culti crap is killing this nation. It has already killed Europe. Keep it up and you will have no United States of America. Oklahoma rocks!
Kenjoe Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:34 am
I would bet you are as beautiful as your words IrishGal
Corey Reply:
August 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I mean no disrespect but why is it killing their culture by protecting ours? I live in Oklahoma and we are proud of our country, atleast the idea of our republic. So I guess wanting to protect my freedom and my language makes me a RACIST. Its people like you, CU, that make me sick.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
You Skywalker:
Come with me!
Darth Obama:
Obi JFK Kenobi once thought as you do. You don’t know the power of the Dark Side! I must obey my master.
You Skywalker:
Search your feelings, Obama. You can’t do this.
I feel the conflict within you!
Darth Obama:
It is pointless to resist, my son.
The Emperor:
Everything that has transpired has done so according to my design. Your friends, up there on the streets, are walking into a trap, as is your Rebel fleet. It was I who allowed the Alliance to know the location of the NWO. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band.
An entire legion of my best troops awaits them. Oh, I’m afraid the government will be quite operational when your friends arrive.
Come, boy. See for yourself. From here you will witness the final destruction of the Alliance, and the end of your insignificant Rebellion.
The Emperor:
[glancing at the lightsaber] You want this, don’t you?
The hate is swelling in you now. Take your Jedi weapon. Use it! I am unarmed.
Strike me down with it! Give in to your anger! With each passing moment, you make yourself more my slave!
You Skywalker:
No.
The Emperor:
It is unavoidable. It is your destiny. You, like your family, are now mine!
You Skywalker:
I will not fight you.
Darth Obama:
Give yourself to the Dark Side.
It is the only way you can save your friends.
Yes, your thoughts betray you. Your feelings for them are strong. Especially for… Sister! So, you have a twin sister. Your feelings have now betrayed her too.
Obi JFK kenobi was wise to hide her from me. Now his failure is complete. If you will not turn to the Dark Side, then perhaps she will!
You Skywalker:
Never!
The Emperor:
[laughing] Good! Your hate has made you powerful.
Now, fulfill your destiny and take your father’s place at my side!
You Skywalker:
Never.
I’ll never turn to the Dark Side.
You have failed, your highness.
I am a Killuminati, like my father before me.
Ben Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 4:18 am
Smart cover version.
Pack a gun and pay no tax.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I mean come on. We have already taken away most of the Native Americans land and forced them to walk the trail of tears to Oklahoma. Now we want to take away there language after raping their society and taking their wealth and way of life. Too bad this bill will likely pass.
August 7th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Its good I’m not governor of Oklahoma. Its good that the current governor
of that state seems to be a patient man.
Because if I was entrusted by the citizens of the sovereign state of
Oklahoma to be their governor, and some DC thug sh*t-hog sent
letters like those,
I know Buckwheat would declare war on Oklahoma JUST BECAUSE OF
THE REPLY HE WOULD GET!
August 7th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I wonder what whould happen if when the Feds cut off the federal funds the state would then pass law in which excempts their citizens from paying federal income tax.
roaddog Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
navy—that would be a good thing. The states start taking care of themselves. Imagine that.
August 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
As an Oklahoman, we are aware that Obama goons and Dem fellow travelers are infiltrating churches and political events here in our state. We at RedDirtReport.com are monitoring these developments closely. What has been happening in neighboring Missouri may be coming here. Be prepared, fellow Okies. Be watchful.
August 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
ARE WE STILL BEING GOVERNED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION?
Caveat: It is hard to find reliable and informed info on this subject – a lot of people with a little knowledge have written about it and put stuff up on You Tube, etc.
Especially in matters of law, a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing. I offer the below for people to check out and research on their own, because if true it is very, very important, even essential. So…
To the best of my knowledge and belief the following is true:
I think our ‘rulers’(and their rulers) in the de facto (not de jure) government just get so many yuks out of all of us standing up on our hind legs and talking about ‘the Constitution.’ Isn’t it glaringly obvious that WE ARE NOT BEING GOVERNED UNDER THE CONSTITUTION – AND HAVE NOT BEEN FOR A VERY, VERY LONG TIME?
Guess what – to argue the Constitution is ‘frivolous’ — why? Because indeed, we are currently NOT being, and for many decades have not been, governed under the Constitution. If we were, there would be no Federal Reserve System, no income tax, no property taxes, no federal law enforcement within the states, no Social Security, no federal entitlement programs, no US Code – the list is endless.
It is kind of like being ‘a little bit pregnant.’It’s either/or – either you are, or you aren’t. And we aren’t.
How did this big change come about? By these means – and there might be, probably are, other ‘legal legs to stand on (such as the Congressional ‘revised Trading with the Enemy Act’, see Gene Shroder) that the usurpers have created for themselves –
1.Research by Gene Shroder and others reveals that the United States is under a continuously maintained state of emergency (see Senate Report 93-549, look it up online) and therefore under a form or degree of martial law/rule. This condition (under the Law of Nations, I believe) SETS ASIDE all civil law, rendering it optional. The form of government becomes essentially that of a military dictatorship under the President as military commander in chief, who has the kingly power to make law by decree, essentially(as in Executive Orders).
All of this would be reasonable and even necessary in a bona fide emergency. But governments (and those who control them) love that power concentrated into a single office, and so want to enjoy (and employ) it all the time – hence the continuous ‘emergency’ renewed periodically on some pretext or another, usually with the word ‘war’ in there somewhere (war on terror/poverty/drugs) because by international law, WAR is the only sufficient reason to declare/impose this suspension of civil law and imposition of a de facto military dictatorship.
WHY don’t we know about this? Because the info just might ‘disturb the public peace’ (i.e., make people hopping mad), and under an ‘emergency,’ to preserve the public peace is a government’s foremost duty; and it is even regarded as acceptable to fail to disclose these matters to the public if to do so might be deemed possibly disruptive of the ‘public peace.’
2. http://www.serendipity.li/jsmi.....ration.htm
As this site briefly explains, Congress created a DC corporation in the post-Civil War era. Its ‘constitution’ is deceptively named very like but not identically to the original Constitution put in place by the founders of the country.
And this corporation is deceptively named/styled similarly to but not identically to the original country formed by the founders.
This is a commercial corporation. The states (and counties, and cities) have joined in as franchisees. (And we the people are deemed to have ‘volunteered’, in CORPORATE CAPACITY, into this SEPARATE, CORPORATE, COMMERCIAL JURISDICTION, by receiving or being eligible to receive government benefits.)
The most obvious clue is in the ’styling’ – slight changes of wording (Constitution ‘of’ or ‘for’,for example) and spelling all in caps. STATE OF OHIO, COUNTY OF KING, CITY OF SAN FRANCISCO, etc. You will note (if you do a little legal research) that the states and cities and counties used to be styled, Ohio State, King County, San Francisco, etc. And – JOHN DOE versus John James Doe.
Changes in styling, even small ones, are IMPORTANT AND SIGNIFICANT in legal documents.
We the people become ‘corporate citizens’ under this extra-Constitutional DC corporation whenever we accept any BPO, benefit, privilege, or opportunity – any kind of govt. welfare or assistance or even get enrolled in any such program, such as Soc.Security by getting an SSN. So all of our Constitutional arguments are frivolous. It is like living in France and invoking Argentinian law. Duh. Case dismissed.
Catherine Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I would agree with this assessment!
Since the gauntlet has been thrown down, how ’bout Oklahoma as a nation/state?
As an Oklahoman, this sounds like the path to liberty!
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Catherine, that’s what it’s supposed to sound like. The truth, though is that our fine state (I’m in OKC) has several FEMA camps and here in my town, a mayor who was on board with eth SPP to have the NAFTA Superhighway bisect Oklahoma. In fact, it already does; it’s called I-35 and the first Mexican trucks began rolling deep into the heart of our country in 2007. This nonsense about a “sovereignty movement” is exactly that – nonsense. The fact is, the police state cannot be built without the full cooperation and participation of every one of the states, as well as every county and municipality. The states that have “declared sovereignty” ALL have FEMA camps. How can this be if they are “rebelling” against the federal government?
August 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
well, we already know how rome was finished and how nazis lost the war, so let’s just skip over the fear and dreariness and do what needs to be done to get america on the right track…
August 7th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Great article, I find Rome highly interesting. This just shows how far we’re falling away from what we were even 50 years ago…
MAD DOG Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
TRY 25 YR’S AGO
IT WAS A DIFFERENT PLACE ALL TOGEATHER,.
WE WERE REALLY FREE THEN.
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Not really. Chad’s right. If your “good old days” was 1984, you don’t know the half of it. In 1984, we had the second term of Ronald Reagan, a NWO puppet. It had been a few years since Iran-Contra revealed the COG plans of Oliver North. It had been almost a decade since the Church Committee had revealed the truth about the CIA. There were a lot of things seriously wrong with America and the world in 1984 and the NWO’s plans were very much under way already and had been for decades.
Malone Ducklo Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
i’d put the good old days around the turn of the 20th century. before The Fed was established and beginning its great work: WWI, Spanish Flu, Depression, WWII. and the hits just keep on comin.
MAD DOG Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
25 YR’S AGO, I USED TO DRIVE AROUND IN MY 1970 CANDY APPLE RED /BLACK LEATHER TOP CONVERTABLE CUDA.
WITH A POUND OF POT IN MY CONSOL ALL BROKEN UP IN BAGS FOR SALE.
NEVER ONCE DID I FEAR GETTING CAUGHT.
NOW ADAYS I FEAR LEAVING MY DRIVEWAY WITHOUT A SEAT BELT.
THE ONSLAUGHT OF TYRANNY DIDNT EXSIST THEN.
IT WAS A DIFFERENT WORLD.
August 7th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
GOOOH.com
August 7th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Sorry MadDog…Under what jurisdiction, is right…it’s been at least since the War of Sovereignty II
(also known as the War of northern or Federal Aggression)the we’ve had anything even remotely
resembling a Republic and therefore even a modicom amount of freedom as well…
August 7th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Re the question someone posted in the thread of comments on the 10th amendment website:WHY DOES THIS LEGAL INFO MATTER AND WHY DON’T WE JUST ‘STAND UP AND TAKE OUR RIGHTS?’
As I understand it, our legal status/standing, in ‘their’ view/law, matters very much. (Ultimately, because they’ve got control of all of ‘our’ country’s centers of power, incl. courts, police, military.) It matters because this is how the COURTS OF LAW see and will adjudicate the matter.
So if we just ’stand up and take our rights’, we are legally viewed as being insurrectionists, rebels, ‘enemy combatants’ (no rights under the Nuremberg and Geneva Conventions, I believe, hence the use of that term/designation).
As they see it, we are ‘in corporate capacity’ in an extra-constitutional, corporate/commercial jurisdiction and making the legal boo boo of claiming rights from a whole ‘nother jurisdiction.
Get it? So if we ’stand up and take our rights’ – we are WRONG about the legal issue, wrong in that we are claiming protection and rights under law from a separate (foreign) jurisdiction and we are, potentially at least, and legally if we resort to violence or advocating violence, ENEMY COMBATANTS. And remember how Obama is now claiming the power/right to hold anyone at all indefinitely without charging them. So we don’t have to do anything at all (aside from being politically incorrect) to get nabbed and held.
August 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Re the possibility of the states trying to withdraw from the Union …
… whether or not that would be a good idea is questionable, debatable.
Whether it would be permitted by ‘our corporate masters’ is the first issue to consider, and I think the answer would be a resounding no, backed by show of/use of force.
I’d first like to see the word spread that – hey guys – we ARE NO LONGER UNDER THE CONSTITUTION!
WE ARE QUIETLY REGARDED BY GOVERNMENT AS HAVING NO ZIP ZERO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!
This is pretty outrageous. We are being deceived. People oughta know about it.
And take it from there.
August 7th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Sounds like the fight is about to start ? I think they picked the wrong state to start a fight with ?
Gary Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
What fight? This is all for show, just like the phony “sovereignty movement.” The fact is Oklahoma has several FEMA camps, one of the major ones right here in Oklahoma City. We have a Homeland Security Office here, too. We also have a fusion center here. We also have a mayor, here in OKC, who was (is?) a member of the SPP and was all on board for the NAFTA Superhighway to come right through here, bisecting the state. Oklahoma, like all of the other states supposedly “declaring sovereignty,” is cooperating fully with the federal government, despite this propaganda they are enacting before our eyes between Oklahoma and Eric Holder. It’s an act, designed to make you believe there is some popular revolt brewing against the federal government, when in fact, the truth is the police state is dependent for its very existence upon the full cooperation and participation of every single state, county and municipal government in the land.
David PK Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Gary , I’ve been living in the Tulsa area for 15 years . I regret that I have to agree with you . Just like always , the local organizers and citizens are sincere . But , what proves to me that our officials
are speaking out of both sides of their mouths is , the federalization of the national guard here . Brad
Henry nearly tripped over himself to sign that protection away . Did you hear any outrage or protest from out fearless leaders ? I saw one station here report it . It was channel 6 . It was a 3 minute blurb
then the local news bimbo shrugged and went on to talk about some mind numbing story .
Also I have had more than one person tell me that they saw and recognized some of the accused
terrorists on the TU and OU campuses . This was before and after 9/11 . With the bombing of the
Murrah building and this , I think I smell a rat . I pray we aren’t being set up for another attack hear .
I know the muslim terrorist story is pure BS but , wherever these guys are seen , trouble comes . We
had a middle eastern contractor try very hard to get the bid to build a bridge and toll section between Jenks and Tulsa . It just seemed really strange . Even the local contractors ( who get 99 % of the bids here ) were saying it didn’t make sense .
Malone Ducklo Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
i heard once that Bush I brought 1500 Iraqi Republican Guards to the U.S. after Desert Storm and placed at least 500 of them in the OK City area.
MAD DOG Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
REPS IN SOUTH CAROLINA ARE RECIEVING DEATH THREATS OVER THIS STUFF.
THE REVOLUTION IS NEAR.
August 7th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I heard this song by Muse for the first time this morning. Chills came over my whole body and tears came to my eyes. I’m getting a sense of what is coming and it’s not pretty. Yes, we must stand up and fight against a tyrannical government, and yes, we will be victorious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oeIYjKG2V0A
The paranoia is in bloom
The PR transmissions will resume
They’ll try to push drugs
Keep us all dumbed down and hope that
We will never see the truth around
(So come on!)
Another promise, another scene, another
A package not to keep us trapped in greed
With all the green belts wrapped around our minds
And endless red tape to keep the truth confined
(So come on!)
They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious
Interchanging mind control
Come let the revolution take its toll if you could
Flick the switch and open your third eye, you’d see that
We should never be afraid to die
(So come on!)
Rise up and take the power back, it’s time that
The fat cats had a heart attack, you know that
Their time is coming to an end
We have to unify and watch our flag ascend
They will not force us
They will stop degrading us
They will not control us
We will be victorious
(So come on)
August 7th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
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August 7th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
To hell with the goddamned feds on this s---. I would tell them to take those federal dollars and stick them right back up their stupid arrogant asses. Then I would scale back all the components of the state government that needed those federal monies to operate. If the states would start doing that we would be alot better off.
August 7th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
are we supposed to speak unga-bunga witch doctor language? obama would love that.
August 8th, 2009 at 7:43 am
ive got a question for some of the more intelligent than I………. if the only thing that stops states from claiming sovernty is with holding fed funds then why couldnt we just send our 2009 income taxes directly to our state?????????????
hell id even kick in a lil more just to get the fed out of our lives..lo
but this is a serous thought ive been haveing and looking for a realistic answerl
August 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
There are about 40% of Americans living off the federal government in some way,which obtains much of the money from federal taxes.
That is the reason that the bloated ”federal tick” will fight tooth and nail for this.
Don’t forget,tens of millions of Americans will fight the actions of these states on this as well due to them receiving money from that “tick”.
This isn’t just the “fed against the states”,this is the parasites within the states against the producers as well which will make it a tougher proposition.
August 8th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Texas, Oklahoma needs our help! What can we do to help them? We are all together, united, the united States of America and proud patriots!
August 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Obama=Drama=TRAUMA,,,,,,the US congress=celebrity politicians who either never read the US Constitution or do not understand its statutes. The federal government is granted power from the states not vise versa. TIME to water the TREE OF LIBERTY as Thomas Jefferson suggested!
"ren Reply:
August 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
agreed
August 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Gee, I thought a legitimate government derived its powers from the consent of the People. Guess I was wrong, eh?
August 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
You guys have to read this!!!! This is the beginning of total Totalitarianism in our once free Nation. If what the article implies is based on true events and it happened as described below we are in much more trouble than any of us ever thought. Threatening peaceful protestors with machine guns (who just happen to appose the President’s agenda) for simply standing on a sidewalk to make their point as is their Constitutional RIGHT!!!! Not to mention the insertion of Local Union thugs who are now physically attacking attendants (opponents) of Obamacare at these town hall meetings. As they recently did to one man who was working at the event, he was thrown on the ground and kicked repeatedly by four of these Union cowards. These are vile tactics that have not been seen the times of Stalin and the rise of Nazi Germany. Come on folks, this is our Country, our FREE Country. This is no longer about “healthcare” it’s simply about taking away our freedoms and conditioning us to accept the despotism and Tyranny that’s awaiting us all.
ARTICLE
Can the unthinkable actually be happening? Is the Obama Administration employing Stalinist tactics of thuggery and intimidation against average Americans who oppose ObamaCare?
Consider the following incident.
When Barack Hussein Obama rolled into town for his – by invitation only – town hall meeting in Bristol Virginia, average citizens, desperate to make their voices heard, gathered on sidewalks and curbs along the route of Obama’s motorcade holding homemade signs opposing ObamaCare.
One of the peaceful citizen protesters sent this shocking eyewitness report to the Internet blog, TheGatewayPundit.com:
“There were several vehicles following the limo that contained the secret service. The vehicles had all the windows rolled down, and back hatches open on the SUVs with the men holding their, I assume assault rifles, machine guns, drawn on everyone lining the streets. Needless to say, it took my breath away at the sight of them, and made my friends and I dizzy with fear…. I turned on a local talk radio program as we were leaving and all the calls were about witnessing the guns being pointed at them.”
Of course, we don’t want to jump to any conclusions. There might have been a legitimate reason behind what appears to otherwise be an excessive show of force… we simply don’t know.
But even if the intent of the Obama Administration was not to oppressively stifle 1st Amendment rights… the message that was left is nonetheless chilling.
Rosslyn Smith with AmericanThinker.com put the incident in perspective:
“Whatever it was, the message was poison. Only handpicked supporters were going to get into the carefully orchestrated media event at a Kroger deli that had Obama jetting in and out of the community. That all those who were left to peacefully demonstrate outside had been held at gunpoint is not going to be forgotten anytime soon by those in attendance.”
Thuggery? … Veiled threat? … Paranoia on the part of Team Obama? … Legitimate and necessary safeguards to protect the life of the President against a real threat?
We may never know.
But there is one thing that we do know. Proponents of ObamaCare are showing a detestable contempt for the American people.
They don’t want to hear from you. They don’t want to hear what you have to say when it comes to the government takeover of the health care system and they don’t care what you have to say.
Essentially, they are trying to tune you out.
But it doesn’t have to be that way. You can make them listen… right here and right now.
________________________________________
Send Barack Obama and each and every member of the Republican and Democratic Leadership of the House and the Senate messages that have a powerful and real impact.
Flood their fax machines. Tell them that Americans want no part of ObamaCare and that attempts to ignore or ridicule or marginalize or dismiss the majority of Americans who oppose the government takeover of health care will only make a bad situation worse.
Remind them that they work for the American people. Remind them that the American people are their employers, not their serfs. And finally, demand that they cease-and-desist their callous tactics.
August 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
so, do not take their federal funds, it is interest debt on top of the this federal regime scraping every amendment tothe constitution, good for oklahoma now lets see if the state govt follows through.
Kenjoe Reply:
August 9th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Besides Oklahoma could stop SENDING any money to DC as well. I bet they would come out ahead.
August 9th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Clinton’s Imperial Decree was to target the OK City, Murrah Building for an attack. To discredit the militia movement.
August 9th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
IrishGal Reply:
August 7th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
The AMERICAN CULTURE is what is at risk here. We are a melting pot in which we become Americans, not all divided with hyphenated this and hyphenated that. If your home culture was so great why did you leave? Again this multi-culti crap is killing this nation. It has already killed Europe. Keep it up and you will have no United States of America. Oklahoma rocks!………………………………………………………………….. you got that right Irishgal..im German Irish, native american…but im an american first, foremost and always!!! I have been as close to Ireland and Germany as most afro americans have been to africa…lmaoooooo..and they are soooooooo proud of there culture…give me a break..i agree with u 100% irsh….if u are an American, no other country should come first
August 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Remember the ALAMO? Sort of sounds like round 2
August 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Remember the ALAMO? Sort of sounds like round 2
August 11th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
avoiceinthewilderness Says:
August 11th, 2009 at 11:27 am
No God is not dead but he is pissed…………… He told us to occupy until he comes and that the Kingdom of Heaven is takin by force… Only the meek shall inherit the earth… I really don’t want the earth myself but anyway… Understand we have a job to do and we will stand up for God, and the Christ, and die if we have to, that is our job. He will be back when we start doing our job to join in the battle not get us out of harms way….. WAKE UP AND UNDERSTAND THE TRUTH…. Not the tickle your ears reteric in the church today.
God’s Love, Range
August 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Secede now, Oklahoma!
August 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
I like this theme you are using… what is it?
August 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I wish these people would get their facts straight, the litigation against states for making english the offical within the state was challenged beginning in 2002 by the Bush Adminstration.Check your sources reliability on facts, before sending mis-information.
August 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
I found your blog on google and read a few of your other posts. I just added you to my Google News Reader. Keep up the good work. Look forward to reading more from you in the future.