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Ohio Sheriff’s Deputy Sued Over Strip Search of Woman
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Adam Doster
Raw Story
February 2, 2008
Hope Steffey’s night started with a call to police for help. It ended with her face down, naked, and sobbing on a jail cell floor. Now, the sheriff’s deputies from Stark County, Ohio who allegedly used excessive force during a strip search 15 months ago face a federal lawsuit, and recently released video won’t help their case.
Steffey’s ordeal with the Stark County sheriff’s deputies began after her cousin called 9-1-1 claiming Steffey had been assaulted by another one of their cousins. When a Stark County police officer arrived, he asked to see Steffey’s driver’s license. But instead of handing over her own ID, she mistakenly turned over her dead sister’s license, which she contends she keeps in her wallet as a memento. That’s when the situation became complicated.
“Hope was not treated as a victim,” her lawyer told WKYC News. “The officer said to her ’shut up about your dead sister.’”
Eventually, Steffey was arrested and taken to the Stark County Jail, charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. But once in custody, her attorney says seven jail workers, male and female, forcibly removed Steffey of all her clothes, including her undergarments, while she lay face down in handcuffs. Local news footage shows Steffey wailing, asking “What are you doing?!?”
“And you have to ask yourself, what was the purpose of the strip search?” said Steffey’s lawyer. “What was the necessity of it? This was a disorderly conduct claim.”
The lawsuit says that Steffey remained in the cell for six hours and wrapped herself in toilet paper to stay warm. During that time, she was not allowed to use a phone or seek medical assistance for injuries she accrued that night, including a cracked tooth, bulging disc, and bruises.
Although the sheriff’s policy requires officers conducting any strip search to be of the same sex, the sheriff contends that the tactic used on Steffey was not actually a strip search. He also questions the validiy of the events leading up to Steffey’s arrest.
Once shown the exclusive video, Steffey’s husband was in disbelief. “You don’t treat people like this,” he said. “I don’t think murderers are treated like this.”
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February 4th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Complete scum Ohio sucks those rotten pigs wait till it happens to their daughter or wife where is the constitution oh the pigs have a Iq of 75 they cant clinton/bush are to blame making the new world order pigs federal.complete puss bags poor excuse of servants everyone should carry tazers for this reason assume all pigs are scum untill they prove thereselves.Sue the living shit out of them all seven.
February 4th, 2008 at 6:56 am
hey we are the greatest country in the world. We will never be like the Nazi’s.
February 4th, 2008 at 6:57 am
This happened in the Canton area below Cleveland. I sent them an email challenging them to strip search me.
“Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.” – Thomas Jefferson
February 4th, 2008 at 7:47 am
It only get worse folks. Out of complacency, you sat back and did NOTHING to challenge the NEW WORLD ORDER !! Out of ignorance, DEATH shall be your reward.
February 4th, 2008 at 8:15 am
I was able to speak to Sheriff Tim Swanson 2-1-08 the next day after the video release on WKYC TV 3 Cleveland. He was very respectful in a phone conversation after I left a voice mail message as I am a resident of Stark county Ohio. The home of the killer cop Bobby Cutts Jr. My message to him was that I am a concerned resident in the county and I would be watching this case closely. When he returned my call I was asked by Sheriff Swanson to please be patient and rather than to try this case in a court of public opinion the Sheriffs department was going to carry this out in a court of law. He also pointed out to me that Hope Steffey was not coperative and slipped out of her handcuffs in the jail house and was convicted of her offense of disordely conduct in a Stark county court and thinks his deputies will be cleared of any wrong doing. When I asked the Sheriff if he would publicly respond to the media story he said he would not other than the release of the video of the strip search. I left the conversation with a reminder to the sheriff of the firing of the police officer in sheffield village, ohio for the improper use of a taser and of the attepmted framing of a citizen by a St. Joseph, Missouri police officer who also was fired. If you wish to call the Stark county Sheriff’s department the number is (330) 430-3800 and ask that you would like to leave a message for the sheriff.
February 4th, 2008 at 9:47 am
The Sheriff and all the force need to get fired. Jail is to good for these NAZI cops. The cops are not the law but in this case they think they are judge, jury and executioner.
February 4th, 2008 at 11:13 am
most of the cops in ohio are mafia.
they run prostitution rings, are pedofiles
and traffic in drugs.
February 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
This is horrible but it’s only the tip of the iceberg with many more cases to be coming forward. Those criminal cops involved need charges brought against them because the county gets sued while the cops are commended for their actions. I’m putting in my call to this sheriff’s dept to voice my outrage as should everybody who reads this story.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
I live a few miles from this jail and even spent a couple of weeks in there when I was a young (wild) lad for posession of weed back in the mid 70’s. The cops were pricks then. A young lady I knew went to this jail a few years back to attend an AA meeting they have for the inmates. Before you attend one of these meetings you have to have a background check done to be accepted on “the list” of safe people to attend. Well, when she arrived to attend the meeting (to be of help to alcoholics) she was arrested on the spot because she had a warrant out for her that she had no knowledge of. Ohio cops are corrupt pigs.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
It is all coming clear to me. It seems the mass majority of you on this site are anarchists. Let’s refresh some comments:
“The Sheriff and all the force need to get fired.”
“most of the cops in ohio are mafia.
they run prostitution rings, are pedofiles
and traffic in drugs.”
“Ohio cops are corrupt pigs.”
Not a one of these comments is qualified. Most are written with no clue of proper syntax. I especially like the last comment. The cops are corrupt because a chick had a warrant and they arrested her. I’m sure that warrant was a conspiracy to keep her out of the AA meeting. Because, no way would someone try to help an inmate escape or anything.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Thank a Marine: Listen up you maggot – either get a clue and start doing the research on 9/11, or shut your pie hole. Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth would be a good place to start. You don’t know jack, jarhead.
February 4th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Hey, I am all about truth. I am assuming Architects and Engineers for 9/11 truth has a website. I will get back to you. To date, I have seen nothing to prove to me that it was an inside job. Your Phd Jones’ conslusion isn’t even supported by his colleagues at BYU. I will research your source and get back to you on it.
Semper Fi.
February 4th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Don’t feel bad, Ohio. At Washington State we have a Governor who gives illegal aliens more rights than the lawful American citizens, us, and some of these illegals are already on our U.S. tax dollar payrolls allowed above our laws and permitted to invade the privacy of our homes in Search and Destroy Missions under a Bush Nazi Racial Profiling System to decimate Americans just in case they might dissent against all the Goddaumned illegals already on our U.S. tax dollar payrolls while she runs the State in $billions of yearly deficits because of that criminality with intent: “We State congressionals work for the Governor, not for you, tax payers! We break the law you pay for it as we can not allow whistle-blowers out there among you. If you don’t kiss our ass we can’t trust you!” -Al Koppel.
February 4th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Ohio criminal justice system is criminal as the name suggests, while its unfair to throw a blanket over every single cop ,judge, prosecutor and attorney the vast majority can go to hell and I hope will. The prisons are run by private, for-profit corporations and when they build a 5000 bed prison you can be damn sure they are going to fill it. And over zealous prosecutors and judges are eager to oblige since they get fucking kick backs. I personally have been arrested three times over ridiculous firearm”violations” and lost thousands of dollars in attorney fees and personal property, there was never ever in fucking hell going to be fourth so I moved out of the state. And “thankamarineforyourfreedom” “thanks” I have so much fucking freedom in this communist fuck country of ours ,that I can’t stand it.That video ,coming from Ohio , doesn’t surprise me.Oh and for the record, IF THOSE PIG MOTHER FUCKERS EVER DID THAT TO MY WIFE ,THEY WOULD ALL BE DEAD, CUT INTO TINY LITTLE PEICES, CURSED OVER BY THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST, BURNED , AND SCATTERED INTO THE FOUR WINDS OF THE EARTH , SO HELP ME GOD. (its why I left ohio, a scenerio such as that was becoming all to likely in my mind)
February 4th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
hey thank a dope why dont you do some research on what is going on in the world before you spoutoff .the truth should make you sick if you still have a heart ?!?
February 4th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
i am from ohio myself.and being a cop and in the mafia is the same thing.if you sell weed you are harased.and if you sell cocaine or heroine youll never go to jail.unless you forget your weekly bribe payment.im not saying any names but i know of people that sell drugs to on duty cops.the local sheriffs grand son is the head crack dealer in my town.we are taught as children to nhate nazism and comunism.and when we see our government starting to act like those things.they expect us to sit arround like a pack of idiots.im sorry it isnt f#cking going to happen.and getting back to the subject. i know a local coke hore that used to be friends with.was in jail and was raped by a prison gaurd.and her sentence was comuted.and the cops still on the job.people need to realizewe didnt defeat the nazis in ww2 .we took there place.our government has become what i like to call the geek mafia.in other words the pussy mafia.my grand father was the main hit man for the mafia in dayton ohio in the seventies.i dont talk to him because hes a piece of shit.he murdered hundreds of inoccent people.and never went to jail for murder once.and the same people came to me trying to get me into that shit.i told them to go to hell.if this country get any dumber or slower america isnt going to last another 20 years.i joined the army not serve my country.but to learn how to protect my family in the near future.good ridence to white trash version of nazi germany. and long live the republic.
February 4th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Q: What is with the gang member hair guts?
A: They are the gangs.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:38 am
I don’t see any need for a strip,those cops should all be jailed!
February 5th, 2008 at 6:55 am
A note to the THANK A MARINE, I suggest you need review how the US left its soldiers in SE Asia at the end of the Viet Nam war. Read the book KISS THE BOYS GOODBYE. Or review how Agent Orange was sprayed on our own infantry over there.
But you know — according to the VA the GULF WAR SYNDROME doesn’t exist. So just keep believing every thing they tell you.
Sincerely,
Former Army Intell
Oh and by the way – there are numerous professors at BYU who believe Steven Jones, you just won’t read about it in the newspapers or hear it on Sean (Gobbels) Hannity.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:48 am
ThankaMarineForYourFreedom YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON!!!!!!! I HAVE SERVED 7RS IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND HAVE NEVER SEEN A CASE OF SUCH ABUSE !!!!!!! MEN STRIPPING WOMEN IS A DEFINITELY A NO NO!!!!!!! I GUESS YOU THINK THIS KINDA OF TREATMENT IS OK??? OH!!WAIT IT IS UNTIL YOU HAVE TO ENDURE IT.
February 5th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Glad i could make you laugh marine,when was the last time you did that?
February 5th, 2008 at 10:12 am
may god hold a special place in hell for those who condone and took part in such vile atrocities , marine god forbid if that was your wife or daughter or mother you moronic soul , would you be cursing those whom supported you against the attackers of your family. thats whats wrong with america now a days sheeple cant put themselfs in other peoples shoes marine i want you to watch the video again except this time instead of looking at the women like a peice of trash picture your wife or mom or sister or daughter. they just want a regime change if you will when the people said impeach clinton they didnt mean no more presidents just that clinton was corrupt and get him out and someone else in. Those men forceably strip that searching women is despicable you gutless coward , defending those officers for what they did to that women is un-patriotic un-american you should be ashamed of yourself.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Shoot the mother fucking pigs
February 5th, 2008 at 11:33 am
You can’t be a cop unless you’re ignorant and corrupt.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Where are you guys getting that I condoned the search. I didn’t even mention it.
” is all coming clear to me. It seems the mass majority of you on this site are anarchists. Let’s refresh some comments:
“The Sheriff and all the force need to get fired.”
“most of the cops in ohio are mafia.
they run prostitution rings, are pedofiles
and traffic in drugs.”
“Ohio cops are corrupt pigs.”
Not a one of these comments is qualified. Most are written with no clue of proper syntax. I especially like the last comment. The cops are corrupt because a chick had a warrant and they arrested her. I’m sure that warrant was a conspiracy to keep her out of the AA meeting. Because, no way would someone try to help an inmate escape or anything.”
I reposted my original post. Please tell me where I said that was ok to search that woman. I only referenced comments made by posters on this site. The basis of my post is that it seems to me that people on this site hate cops for the actions of some or are just anarchists. The chick I am talking about is the one the poster said was arrested for an open warrant for going to AA at the jail. The poster (Dave) seems to believe that it is bad for the jail to do background checks on people who wil interact with inmates. I believe that is fair since they could potentially give the inmate contraband, weapons, or aid in escape. They should know who they are granting access to the inmates. I see nothing wrong with that. Apparently reading comprehension is at a low level on this site.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
you are attacking the people that are angered by this outrageous event , you are indeed defending the justification of force indirectly and you are a coward for that you should bow your head in disgust and i hope it happens to your wife when they post the video of your wife for the world to see and you cry out for support i will say “yup , she deserved it” because that is what you are saying its un-american its unconstitutional do not attempt to patronize me you are the coward
February 5th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
and when are you going to respond my post in willie nelson about 9/11 explanation’s when i proved you wrong for the second time.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Is English your second language? I have not condoned it. I didn’t even mention it. I condoned the woman being arrested that went to AA at the jail with a warrant. That is it. Don’t put words in my mouth.
My attacks are about people who lack any objectivity. Making a sweeping statement like the entire force should be jailed and fired. Saying all Ohio police are corrupt pigs… Be angered at the event and demand justice for the victim, but stay objective.
This comment certainly shows what type of person you are:
“i hope it happens to your wife…”
I may disagree with most of what is posted on here, but I have not wished anything bad to happen to any of you or your families. That is far below name-calling. Gee, why is it that you guys have no credibility from anyone outside of this fringe? I can’t imagine.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
marine..what site did you say brought you here?..You claimed yesterday that you just happend to see alexs poster while you were are another message board..what site was that
just curious
February 5th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
marine i have to ask you this,do you think the us troops should still be in iraq? and if yes why?
February 5th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
“Gee, why is it that you guys have no credibility from anyone outside of this fringe? I can’t imagine.”
Talk about unqualified statements lol.
I’ll thank the founding fathers for my freedom. I’ll thank the preceding generations of the last 100+ years for turning it over to private interests until this country has become the fascist/communist hybrid that it is. I’ll thank a marine when they finally begin recognizing who the real domestic enemies are and stop being tools of the power elite cuz they aint a one of them in the entire armed forces who have fought for freedom in 200 years!
February 5th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
JC –
It is not important. It is not a political site.
jim –
It is difficult to answer that question. I am sick of us being there, but I fear that we broke it, we are obligated to fix it. I am not qualified to devise a plan that everyone comes out a winner. I was certainly one that wanted someone, anyone, to pay for 9/11 (please do not bring up inside job) and was just happy to see us kicking some ass. I am tired of the “I hate Americans” taking pot shots at us and it is about time we whooped ass for it. But, what we have now is not good for anyone. I am very proud of my service, but I cringe that my teenage sons could one day be over there if they so chose because we are still there, gaining little to nothing. I will celebrate when we leave, but I have no idea what is best at this point. I think just bailing would only deepen the hatred, but I am not sure we can do anything about it. I know that isn’t much of an answer, but it is the best I can do.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Ed –
Have you served? If you haven’t, then you have no idea what you are talking about. You think the Revolution was the only war for freedom? How ignorant. If it weren’t for guys like me and Mad Dog Marine, and all the others, you would have NO FREEDOMS. The revolution was about getting freedom. Since 1776 it has been about keeping it. The Declaration of Independance is a piece of paper without brave young men willing to lay down their lives to validate it. You have the right to feel the way you do because people like me allowed you to keep it.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
“Kicking ass”. Is that what was going in Abu Ghraib?
February 5th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Oh right… Yes, I was a seaman abord the Richard L. Page.
And both WWs as well as every war since has been contrived.
I’m a major history buff and this is a debate that could go on forever but you guys are deluded if you really believe you are fighting for our freedom? Gee wiz, thank you for protecting us from that evil Saddam and Osama… I was really thinking I was going to lose all my freedoms to these guys… the idea is absurd beyond imagination.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
“You have the right to feel the way you do because people like me allowed you to keep it.”
You really I are a tool… I’m supposed to thank you for my rights now? Does the word inalienable mean anything to you? Rights come from the Maker, not from jarheads making wars for profit!
February 5th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Good comeback Greg. Real constructive to the point of debate.
Ed –
So what is your point? Don’t have a military? I’m not so naive that I cannot understand there are politics involved with the wars we fight. But for you to suggest that my service has had nothing to do with our freedoms is “beyond imagination.” The mere existence of our armed forces is enough to maintain our sovereignty and freedoms. Don’t confuse what I say with support for what our leaders have done across the board.
February 5th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
THANKAMORON you know what you did , you were cheering on the cops who forceably strip searched that women , in defiance of the angered responders. I was born and raised in america english is not my second language , and thats precisely my point thankamoron you didnt even mention the MALE police officer’s forceably strip searching the women who called them because she was assualted you said it yourself read them and weep “I have not condoned it. I didn’t even mention it. I condoned the woman being arrested” the headline reads “Ohio Sheriff’s Deputy Sued Over Strip Search of Woman” so you wont even acknowledge she was forceably strip searched by male officers, what sort of idiot posts about illegal strip search supporting the arrest and ignores that a strip search even took place
February 5th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Ed-
Stand behind the Declaration, or stand behind an armed Marine and tell me which is safer from outside forces. You think that piece of paper is the reason another country has not taken us over? Inalienable is just a word. It has teeth because proud young men with guns give it such.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
jon –
I didn’t choose to post about it because when I read the article, I could not watch the video because I had a 3 year old next to me and had no idea how graphic it would be. I didn’t watch the video until later and it is disturbing. I chose to post about the types of comments that were posted since that is something I could do at the time.
What I see on this site disturbs me as well. It seems that many on this site, including AJ and his researcher, are quick to point out anything that puts police, the government, or the military in a bad light. I have not heard the other side of this story either. Certainly, it seems from the video that there could be little justification for it, and certainly no excuse for men being present. But, I will not pass judgement until I hear the other side. That was my point of questioning the posts after the article. That doesn’t mean I agree with it.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
Marine,
“Don’t confuse what I say with support for what our leaders have done across the board.”
That’s fine – I’ll give you that much.
What I’m hoping you’ll recognize is the geopolitical power structure as it really is. The freedoms we have now pale in comparison to what freedom was considered to be 2000 years ago. Study what the founders have said and they would already consider us slaves… the worst is yet to come unless the real enemies are confronted. Who, you ask, might that be? Let me allow Thomas Jefferson to answer…
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation then by deflation, the banks and the corporations will grow up around them, will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.”
“I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.”
and finally…
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, it expects what never was and never will be.”
February 5th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
200 years ago… not 2000 :-p
February 5th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Ed –
That last post is some common ground we share. Our freedoms are being eroded. I will get behind a movement based on that and that alone. When the movement starts to include conspiracies, etc, I bail.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
(What I see on this site disturbs me as well. It seems that many on this site, including AJ and his researcher, are quick to point out anything that puts police, the government, or the military in a bad light. I have not heard the other side of this story either. Certainly, it seems from the video that there could be little justification for it, and certainly no excuse for men being present. But, I will not pass judgement until I hear the other side.)
What’s wrong Marine? You can’t trust your own eyes? What other side of the story would change the REALITY of what you saw will your own eyes? These cops will stick together no matter what the REALITY IS. Its the code they live by! They will never admit they did anything wrong! But it’s wimp (Marines included) citizens like you that give them the power to be that way.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Well, well, Marine…wheather you are one person or not I have not decide. You sure seem to get around on this site. I am sorry that someone would say that about your wife. That was total uncalled for. How ever I disagree about the lady at AA and I will tell you why. 3 years ago my huband pulled into our yard after work. A minite later an unmarked sherifs car pulled in. The officer asked my husband if he lived there.
My huband said “Yes”
Officer “Do you have any proof?” My husband handed him his driver lis. First BIG MISTAKE.
Officer “Can anyone verify that you live here?”
Husband “No one is home but I’ll go get the mail out of the mail box.” Second BIG mistake.
While my husband went to the mail box the officer called in his DL. Note that my husband was not even in his truck when the officer pulled up. As my husband was coming back from the mail box he heard the officer say “Send a Patrol car out here.”
Huband “What is going on here?”
Officer “You have a warrent outsanding for your arrest.”
Husband “What are you talking about?”
Officer “It’s no big deal. Looks like you bounced a check about 4 years ago and never showed up in court.”
Husband ” I don’t know anything about this.”
Officer “Like I said. It’s no big deal … just go down and pay the fine and your wife can come pick you up.”
Once at the jail my husband asked what he had to pay. Deputy at the jail said “$1000 bail. Plus court fees at trial.
Husband “What are you talking about …bail.. the officer said that I had to pay a fine and I could leave.”
Deputy “That Officer dosn’t run this jail and I say you pay $1000 bail or say in jail till you see a judge.”
They did allow my husband to call me. I brought all the money I had and started calling bondsmen. The Deputy at the front of the jail told me she had never heard of bail for a bounced check and called to the back…they confirmed what my husband told me. By the way the check that bounced (in the middle of a move from one city to another.) was for $20.
Three hours later I finally got my husband out of jail. It cost us almost $500 total, to clear this up.
During the three hours I was sitting in the waiting room at the jail I watched 5 other people..including one that had been transported from another county come in and pay fines that were on bounced checks. Not one of them was even placed in the jail.
My husband has never even had a parking or speeding ticket. Never been in any trouble ever. He fully cooperated with every thing they asked him to do… He was left in an isolated cell alone and never even told that I was there. During that time he watched others making numerous calls to get them out … several coming and going while he was stuck there…three that were arrested on drugs paid fines and left. It will be the last time he will ever cooperate with the police. They made a true enemy that day.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Marine,
This woman did not have an arrest warrant moron, she called 911 after being attacked. She handed the cop the wrong ID after he slammed her against the car.
I have many cop friends which have viewed this video. They did use excessive force, and they did violate policy by allowing men in the room with that naked woman.
This woman was a victim, not a convict. Explain to me why the woman would give the cop a false ID when she was the Victim??? Makes no sense. She was not charged with giving false information, she was not charged with carrying another persons ID. She was charged with disorderly conduct and resisting arrest.
Would you not resist arrest if you were a Victim? Nowhere did it say that she had a warrant, and nowhere did it say she was drunk.
Get your facts straight…
If you want to call others anarchists for expressing their concerns about corruption in the police forces of this Country, then that makes you a fascist for trying to suppress the facts.
Peace Out!
February 5th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
ThankaMarineForYourFreedom…. wow I love how one Marine feels he can speak for all Marines. People this guy is a douchebag who wanked off to this poor women who foceably stripped of her clothes and diginity and raped of her rights and civil liberities. People like ThankaMarine, and yes I will pass jugdement on you, are trained, semi-retarded attack dogs, devoid of higher thought and who hide behind undeserved rightous indignation, as well as the the illgeal acts of the Bush Administration. He sees NOTHING wrong with what happend to that women, and while he has been taught to keep his exact opinions to himself, he will have no problem carrying out a similar order on any of you and will probably be part of the American Prison Camp round up, where protesters can expect to be labeled “terrorists” and raped and tourtured here on our own soil. I have bleed and killed for the love of this country ThankaMainre so I have no issue with telling you this, the freedom loving go america apple pie hero marine has passed, the marines now are little more then dumb as dog shit sociopathic bullies. The only danger America really faces is you and your ilk ThankaMarine, you defend nothing but the individuals who seeks to enslave us all, including you, oh and yeah 9-11…inside job, big time. It makes me sick that you get to call your self a Marine.
February 5th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Marine,
Conspiracy is a loaded word these days. History is full of conspiracies on all sorts of levels. I challenge you to look up the formation of the Federal Reserve and tell me that it wasn’t a conspiracy by the defination of the word as an “evil, unlawful, treacherous, or surreptitious plan formulated in secret by two or more persons.”
If the banks are truly the threat that Thomas Jefferson warned about, then the private owers of these banks who create policy without representation by the people, in other words, in secret.. these private owners are conspirators.
Conspiracy is an undeniable part of history and well as the present. Even the Holy Bible is full of conspiracies. However, and I’m sure you would agree, the point is not to focus on alleged conspiracies, but to focus on truth.
If the common ground of truth we share of that our freedoms is threatened, then we should know by whom it is threatened before appropriate action can be taken…
February 5th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
thanks for your answer marine, was the wisest comment you have made all day!
yes it is time for all our troops to come home its been long over due,and i believe if you asked the majority of the troops they would say the same…
February 5th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Keep in mind that the truth movement won’t gain any converts by hurling insults and names at people like ThankaMarineForYourFreedom who are here to engage in debate.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Knightmare –
We are not even talking about the same woman. Jeez, some of you people don’t even read enough to know what I am referring. I even reposted it. It is amazing. No wonder some of you are so quick to follow a hack like AJ.
surley –
I am not even in the Corps anymore, twit! I won’t be any part of any kooked out conspiracy roundup. As a government trained expert rifleman gun owner, I would likely be on the initial roundup that you kooks have cooked up.
Some of you make it real difficult to have a meaningful debate when you can’t even stay on topic.
February 5th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Speaking of police videos, whatever happend to that lady who was detained in the Air Port and then latter died, something about the restraints around her neck where to tight. Anyone remember that?
February 5th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
there are 2 types of cops- dirty cops and the ones that never blow the whistle
February 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
To the US Marine
“The Declaration of Independance is a piece of paper” . You know that statement is amusing . cause overlord G-Dubb said the same thing to one of his assistants when discussing implications of legislation regarding surveilance .
If you dont want to listen to ideas that you regard to be nothing more than “conspiracy theories” than why are you here other than to demand respect and admiration for your military service,( if thats your motivation sir than it indicates a seriouse character defecencie on your part .)
You said that “When the movement starts to include conspiracies, etc, I bail.”
Ok . Well have a good day .
February 5th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Dead Pig = Good BBQ
February 5th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
There may be a few good cops out there,maybe. I used to think that most were good people doing a tough job but after seeing what I’ve seen personally in the last 10 years,I have seious doubts,as far as troops securing our liberty,give me a break! The organized military is’nt even operating constitutionally,and most wars since Lincolns coup have been to enhance corporate /govt…. profits/power.Many soldiers I know are pro liberty and will fight this govt when the time comes but till I see more of them disobey the nazi in chief and fight to restore the Bill of rights I have to harbor a few more doubts,the only one I trust to protect my liberty besides the good Lord is myself and folks like me who have fought and will fight tyrants! Live free or die tryin”
February 5th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
ITS TIME FOR A REVOLUTION FELLOW HUMANS. WE ALL MARCH TO THE CAPITOL ON JULY 4TH. SPREAD THE WORD. WE ALL MARCH FOR THE NEW AMERICAN REVOLUTION.
February 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
ThankAMarine,
I’m writing as a fellow veteran, lifelong Republican, native American who used to believe all this conspiracy stuff was just out in left field. There’s been some vicious comments here in this thread, which is regrettable, but one has to look below the surface for at least part of an explanation, and I believe that largely derives from the alienation that many feel, to which many recent actions of government at all levels have contributed. Re 9/11, I believed firmly in the official explanation until about 2003, when I started researching everything I could find. While I cannot claim to know exactly how those towers came down, I became convinced, on the basis of dozens of different video shots and analyses, that there is simply no way that the collapses can be explained in the way that the 9/11 Commission and popular media would have people believe. I urge you, before you make up your mind on that question, to review the materials and links at http://www.patriotsquestion911.com. Believe me, I wish I could once again believe that Americans steering our foreign policy, and the domestic agenda, had our best interests in mind – I was a lot happier before I determined that they do not. Again, I do not claim to know exactly what is wrong, but I know that something is deeply, terribly wrong, and unless we Americans wake up to the danger and act, history will not deal kindly with our beloved country.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Here’s my question.
Why are there not thousands of citizens of Stark County standing outside the jailhouse demanding the resignation – peacefully – of the sherriff and all those associate with the case?
Things are not going to change until we stand up and say “NO”. And it starts at home in our own back yards. Is anyone running against the sheriff for election? Get someone on the ballot that’s a Ron Paul Revolutionary and respect the community and the law.
It’s not just about getting Ron Paul elected. It’s about changing how we live our lives. How we connect with the people in our community. It’s about making a difference one city and county at a time and standing up and saying “NO” over and over and over again.
We have a huge opportunity here. How many like-minded people have you met in your town? Have you thought about what comes next? Say Ron Paul wins – have you considered what your roll is going to be?
One thing that stands out about the CFR, the elite, the Bilderbergers, whatever you want to call it. They have a COMMUNITY – a FAMILY. They stick together. They work together. These families have been working together for centuries.
Do you know all your neighbors? Do you have a network of friends and other like minded people you can count on? Have you talked about how to change things in your town? Are there offices that only have a republican or a democrat running – not both? Are you planning to put anyone on the ballot against them?
The first thing we need to do – if we are serious about wanting to change the direction this country is going – is pull your kids out of public school. Can’t afford it? Better take a hard look at your lifestyle and what you can change. Who can you work with? Have you met another like-minded family with the same problem? Could you work together to educate your kids?
Let’s face it – this is not going to be fixed overnight. Our kids need to be educated – not schooled. They need to know all the lessons we’ve had to learn the hard way in the past year. They need to learn the TRUTH about what’s going on and what they can do about it. What you can do about it by becoming active locally. If we do not take back the control of the education of our children, none of the rest of it is going to matter.
It’s all about standing up, being counted, and saying NO, we aren’t going to go along with evil.
February 5th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
agree with everything after “Here’s my question.. ”
She is right. Once you have tasted freedom, nothing else satisfies. I think the biggest thing that has happened to me personally over the past few months is I discovered the taste of freedom,and now I crave it like a junkie, not just for me and mine, but for everyone. So many people have been programmed to just accept whats thrown at them. They call the McDonald’s crap food, and the media crap truth. We are a family, and growing still, because it was never really as much about winning the election as it was about being around and working with our new found family toward a common goal.
It would be nice to win, but I think we can make the changes as quickly as Dr Paul; could even as president. SO when we have him in there and us out here.. we all win!!
February 6th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Who was taking the footage? It’s obviously hand-held and I find it hard to believe that the authorities would videotape themselves in flagrant abuse of policy. Seems as though it’s an effort to discredit that particular sheriff or police department by fomenting crisis at this woman’s expense. What was the motivation for taking the footage and who was behind the camera?
February 6th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Thankamarine: First, I don’t think you should dignify the morons here, who can’t even handle intelligent thought, with a response. I do have a question for you, though, that no member of the armed forces has ever answered for me. Maybe you can. When you swear your oath to God to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC, and then are told to go fight and kill in another country without a Congressional declaration of war- as the Constitution demands- according to your oath, who are you to take up arms against? And if you don’t, are you protecting our freedoms?
February 6th, 2008 at 11:32 am
The lesson here is that we just can’t depend on even local police officers anymore. I am in awe of the lawlessness of the officers. If this is the way they treat VICTIMS, I don’t anything to do with law enforcement. I’m sure there are good police officers, but it’s too much of a gamble to call them. Exercise your 2nd amendment rights and protect yourself.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Jesus….While Marine is wrong about 9/11….He’s 100% right about you guys. Disgraceful. I’m ashamed to even associate with people in this movement sometimes because of people like you.
The constitution has been protected by the military from the birth of this nation, even if it is now under attack from the executive branch. There is no reason to attack Marine for his comments.
Marine, I understand your point, the people who posted here were completely off base with their comments. Please don’t assume that everyone who questions the official 9/11 story or the motives of some elected officials fit in with this crowd. Most of us are quite patriotic, well spoken, intelligent people, a vast number with prior service in the military.
To the rest of you: Grow up. What they did to the woman in the Ohio was wrong. Yes, we all know that every police department has corrupt officers, it’s unavoidable. Your comments tho were completely off base, and by acting like giant ass-bags you have alienated one more person from your movement.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
I first viewed this video around 9am on 2-6-08.
But, it was taken down by 11:50am.
PSYCHO COPS Strip Search Innocent Woman – part 1 of 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yUsYIk2EM
Folks this was the most outrageous video of police missconduct I have ever seeen.
- Male police officers participate in a strip search on a female
- Male police officer was last one to leave the room.
- Laughter is heard from the police as they exit
- Woman left in a jail cell for 6 hours NAKED and without a blanket.
OUTRAGEOUS.!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 6th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Thanks Ohmygod.
I don’t believe that all truthers are whackos. I hope you don’t believe that all Marines are sheep.
February 6th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
oh my god
marine has been here since the sec this new site opened and I have been watching..all he has done is piss people off..hes doing it on purpose..everytime i look it’s people fighting with marine,marine this and that..everyone is wasting their time trying to wake this beautiful man up..
if he would leave we could focus as a group and get some real talking done..
i love you
February 6th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
Do you all know why people see us ‘truthers’ as whackos?
Because none of you seem to be able to spell! I am embarrassed to call myself a truther. If we want to be taken seriously, we need to think before we speak, even in a ‘friendly’ forum such as this one. And when we do decide to speak, we need to make sure that we are speaking clearly and concisely. And for Gods sake, use spell check! This is just embarrassing. We hold ourselves out to be the ones whose eyes are open, and the vast majority of the posts on here have HUGE spelling errors, grammar problems, and many of the posts do not have a clear point or make any sense whatsoever.
We need to be the ambassadors for the sheep. Calling cops ‘pigs’ will not convert anyone, and the guy who said he would cut up the ‘pigs’ and scatter their ashes to the 4 winds, cured with the blood of Jesus? What the hell is that? How did we let someone like that into our midst?
Having said that, what happened to this woman is absolutely unconscionable and is exactly the reason that we must remain vigilant.
And I don’t know about the Marine guy – who knows whether he even has a side? f his questions have no validity then there is no need to respond. f his questions are valid then we should answer them.
Answer this question for me, Mr. Marine – what happened to Building 7?
February 6th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Video does not work
WKYC-TV censored it by its copyright claims maybe the Ohio cops told WKYC to take it down. Sounds like Prisonplanet.tv membership is the way to go to see these videos. In my opinion, I think that what happenned, the deputies are wrong and brutal.
gccengineering
February 6th, 2008 at 10:34 pm
Very troubling. This what happens when you instill the notion of absolute authority in people. I’m currently in college, and the cops here are terrible. They force entry into houses, and once inside, start cussing at students, telling them they’re all getting underages, and never getting a career etc. In on instance, the cop pepper sprayed a student who wouldn’t put down his drink fast enough.
I’ve personally experienced this behavior from the police quite a few times at parties, and have heard numerous other stories as well.
My father was cop, and I use to have the utmost respect for them. Stories like this and personal experience are causing my general respect to dwindle. I know not all police are bad, irrational people, but where’s the outrage from police forces across the states? With all the assaults, shootings, taserings, etc., you’d think some cops would want to come out and protect their reputation as upholders of law (if there is such a concrete thing) and not simple thugs of the state.
February 6th, 2008 at 11:36 pm
My 02 cents. I was a Marine 0311 and I was also an army 18Z. Nothing I did including ground combat had anything to do with protecting the u.s. or ensuring rights. I am ashamed that I was a dupe and a fool for so long. But I was just as brainwashed and stupid until I starting thinking.
We have a serious problem in this country. Law enforcement is corrupt, brutal and militarized. Not to mention everything else that Alex Jones talks about.
To the marine who posted here, I suggest looking up Smedley Butler. Perhaps seeing what Smedley finally belatedly realized might open his eyes.
February 7th, 2008 at 2:20 am
@ “Semper fi”
Interesting watching your comments. You are as twisty-turny as a Jesuit, which is OK but rather doesn’t match your profile. But maybe I’m just biased, I was army …
February 7th, 2008 at 2:42 am
Strip Search Innocent Woman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRhyiXJ91CQ
February 7th, 2008 at 2:52 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2Smv3XCkBE
February 7th, 2008 at 6:30 am
Looks like youtube’s pulled the original clip. Tks Kaybowser for the fresh links.
February 7th, 2008 at 7:18 am
Who was taking the footage? It’s obviously hand-held and I find it hard to believe that the authorities would videotape themselves in flagrant abuse of policy. Seems as though it’s an effort to discredit that particular sheriff or police department by fomenting crisis at this woman’s expense. What was the motivation for taking the footage and who was behind the camera?
February 7th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Yes, but what do the officers have to gain? I can’t imagine they are trying to bring the sheriff down at the expense of their careers. But, I do think that is a question that needs to be answered.
February 7th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Hey did anyone ever hear about the killer cop in carroll county, ohio? tim heavlin? ppl say he killed his ‘at that time’ spouses ex-boyfriend with his cruiser, outside of his jurisdiction… never investigated, never charged. they’re everywhere… pigs on a power trip…. NWO-wannabe’s. chech it out.
February 7th, 2008 at 11:18 am
” I’ll thank a marine when they finally begin recognizing who the real domestic enemies are and stop being tools of the power elite cuz they aint a one of them in the entire armed forces who have fought for freedom in 200 years!”
I must disagree with you there, I think the Men that fought in WWII actually were fighting for our freedom. After that though it’s all pretty much been for the good of the politicians wallets.
February 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
Jesus Christ. I sure wish there was some way to enforce a minimum I.Q. requirement before people are allowed access to the internet.
February 7th, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Shocking, yes – but this is the reality of the military controlled police environment that our society has incrementally ushered in. When will we stop this?? When it’s our own wives, daughters, sisters, cousins having their clothes forcibly removed and left naked in a prison cell for hours after they call 911 to report a crime?!?! When it happens to US??! I’m angry but I commend WKYC-TV for reporting this. Alex really needs to bring this up on air – I find this public ignominy of women a precursor for what lies ahead. We will become desensitized if we don’t speak out.
February 8th, 2008 at 9:31 am
Those in charge have forgotten they are to PROTECT AND SERVE ! ! ! They are the SERVANTS but those that do the training have trained these people to attack the populace. If the military will not attack Americans, the backup plan is that the law enforcement personnel will do it. Look how the police took the guns away from law abiding citizens in New Orleans. This disarming of the people is one of the steps to total control of the people by the government. When the police ATTACK, what is the recourse for the people?
February 8th, 2008 at 9:59 am
WAIT!! THERE’S MORE!! Here is a follow up video by WKYC on youtube here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8GIyF91Xk. It seems that this video footage was recorded by a female police officer, and that these videos were kept secret and hidden until AFTER the woman’s trial! Remember, this woman is the person that called for police assistance. SHE WAS THE VICTIM!! Then she was humiliated by male police officers and they held her down and removed all her clothes. I AM OUTRAGED BY THIS!! What will we do when this is not just a ‘once in a while’ incident?? We HAVE to be informed of our rights and instances when they are violated. And I don’t mean just when it happens to us, I mean ‘we the people’ of America should ALL be ANGRY when another human being and fellow citizen is demoralized and has their rights violated. We must stand together – know our rights, defend them together! Amendment VIII of the U.S. Bill of Rights states: “Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.” Alex, report on this – we should all be FURIOUS over this woman’s manhandling by police!
February 8th, 2008 at 5:55 pm
I imagine that the woman was drunk, which is why there was a fight in the first place, gave the wrong ID (her dead sister’s) and wanted it back and got angry when the cop would not give back an ID that belonged to someone else (she could have kept the photo, but the having the ID is probably illegal). I imagine she got hysterical because she was drunk and that is where this all began.
The reason she was stripped was because she the cops did not know her mental condition and didn’t want her to hang or choke herself with her clothes. They should have done the strip with women, but obviously they were not up to the task, and probably never are when someone is struggling. It is hard to explain things like this to someone who is as drunk and hysterical as this woman obviously was and she probably kept resisting.
The video is taken to document procedure and protect both the woman and the police. She was left for six hours to sober up and not given a blanket because she could have killed herself with it.
As far as 9/11, I have reviewed all of the evidence in the collapse of all of the buildings and found nothing out of the ordinary. Most people do not realize the damage these buildings sustained in the initial impacts and loss of fire protection which allowed the steel in the structures to become heated and begin to elongate and fail. It is all B.S. by those who have an axe to grind with the government. Anyone can put in their name with B.S. degrees on the Architects and Engineers website. The government is so inept at most things that they could never pull off a conspiracy, so bark up another tree.
Our soldiers and sailors are also not to blame for the ills that some perceive in this country. If Americans cannot compete in a fair labor market against uneducated 16 year old Mexicans, then they are lazy. Having worked as a laborer, I’d much rather work with someone who came to work and didn’t show up to milk the clock for a paycheck. Run an ad for construction workers in South Florida and see how many Americans show up to take the job. It used to be they picked fruit in the south and no one cared. Now they mow the laws and build the US and people complain when they show up in Indiana.
Unions made the US worker overpaid, lazy, and thinking he deserves more than he got. Now he can’t compete in a global marketplace because others are hungrier than he is. While I do not believe illegals should be given benefits and I do believe out borders should be secure, the economy would never have grown as it has in the last decades without their backs. We are too lazy.
February 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am
Rob, I respect your opinion. But I disagree with you. How would you like to be treated like that poor woman. I don’t. You don’t violate our natural rights by initimidation and get away with it. I just don’t see the logic of being treated like a sub-human. People are to be respected. Treat people how you want to be treated. About those 9-11 comments, how would you like to have your spouse or loved one die in that tragedy. Put yourself in their shoes. Those folks want to find out what happened and others. As far as I know, the 9-11 commission report does not explain too much of what really happened. With all the elaborate technology the U.S. has, it could not at least do something to counteract those planes that crashed into the twin towers. Do your research before you write. I think you have sold your soul to the establishment. What has the status quo done for me? Nothing but siphoning my wealth. Common now Rob, get with the program. You sound like that talking head guy I forgot his name ….Bill O’Rielly.
With the Fed pumping so much money into the U.S and the world, the U.S. dollar can’t buy diddly anymore. My dad about 30 years ago worked at a gas station pumping gas. He supported my mom, sister, and myself. Listen to this, my mom was a homemaker. We are not lazy. We just can’t make a living anymore without 2 incomes now because yess…………the dollar is worth less because of the Fed. Rob, that answers the lazy American comment. Hey Rob, there is a new paradigm shift happening. It is a global realization that we are our own authority. It is our God given right. I speak from lots of Americans who want change. Limited government, sound fiscal policy (bring the silver and gold standard back), and our constitutional rights.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Hey Rob, I’ve a bridge for sale, you interested? She was stripped, “for her safety,” but denied medical treatment for six hours? Whether I was sober or smashed, I know I’d be hysterical if I was basically being gang raped by a pack of cops. Also, your little bit about the female officers not being “up to the task,” is utter BS. You’re saying that the same female officers they send out to patrol the mean streets couldn’t control a 120lb middle aged woman who is already restrained? LOL….
I’m surprised they didn’t tase her, the batteries were probably dead.
February 11th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
The only thing short of rape here is the penetration. This is an unprecedented violation of civil rights. Of course the farmers of the pig pen will try to twist this womans feeble attempt to defend herself into “assaulting a police officer”, and probably a salad bar of other false charges. It is becoming painfully clear that the authorities training and protecting these carefully selected baboons, and molding the unwitting youth of our military, are COMPRAMISED.
February 19th, 2008 at 5:31 am
I work as a psych nurse in an urban teaching hospital, and I’m appalled at the way the Hope Steffey case was handled by the Stark County deputies.
It’s my understanding that Hope Steffey was the victim of a crime. Even if there were extenuating circumstances, if she was obnoxious, a substance abuser, made comments about suicide, etc., the completely inappropriate; dare I say, gestapo-like tactics of the deputies, were still unjustified and abhorrent and, unfortunately for the Stark County Sheriff’s Department, eventually broadcast worldwide over the internet.
As a male psych nurse, I have to deal with physical control of paranoid schizophrenics, manics in a homicidal mood, and agitated people strung out on mind altering substances. All psych nurses are trained in passive restraint techniques, as are all police. The object of restraint is to use as little force as possible to prevent a person from hurting himself or others, while attempting to maintain the privacy and dignity of the individual.
This woman was handcuffed and surrounded by, I believe, seven deputies. She was strip-searched with at least two males present who participated in forcibly removing her clothes while she was screaming out protests; and then she was left lying naked for 6 hours. She had injuries that, apparently, weren’t treated and may have been aggravated by the harsh treatment she received. If that wasn’t painful, traumatic and humiliating enough, the whole incident was videotaped, insuring lasting public humiliation and a complete violation of privacy.
As a psych nurse, I have occasionally had to face 6′ +, 200 lb + gang bangers strung out on crack all by myself, and have managed to subdue them without causing them excessive harm. Most of the time, however, I have been assisted by other staff members and, sometimes, even the city police. When you have three or more trained people surrounding an unarmed subject, there is absolutely no excuse for using painful or damaging restraining techniques and certainly, no excuse for performing a multiple strip search assault on a handcuffed woman.
Again, there were seven officers surrounding Ms. Steffey.
At no time, do you understand; AT NO TIME, is it ever appropriate for a male to be present for a female strip search. They had several female officers present to conduct any search that was necessary. Why were the male officers even present? Why was the strip search on video? This is a complete violation of all privacy rights. Why was a strip search necessary in the first place? The circumstances didn’t seem to warrant it.
I have to deal with criminals; drug users, psychotics, suicides; and I rarely find it necessary to conduct a strip search. A thorough, hands-on, spread-out pat-down is usually sufficient to uncover drugs and sharps. We usually allow the person to change into a hospital gown with same sex supervision. For a woman with Hope Steffey’s profile, a strip-down was completely unnecessary.
What was wrong with those deputies?
Have they received no training? Have their backgrounds and mental health been screened thoroughly? Are they drug-tested regularly?
This was an incredible violation of civil rights, privacy, and basic human decency.
The deputies lost control of their own aggression, acted inappropriately, (I believe illegally), and, as a result, are perceived, publicly, as displaying almost sociopathic behavior.
Why didn’t the women deputies protest the presence of the men? The woman was
handcuffed. A couple of first year psych students could have handled her. We’re supposed to believe the female deputies were incapable of dealing with the situation? Not unless they’re completely incompetent, and if they are, what are they doing on the payroll?
If this incident had happened to my wife, there would be a civil suit against every officer involved, a suit against the department, a suit against the county, and a criminal complaint for sexual assault, at the very least; even if it resulted in no more than reprimands and public humiliation for the officers and the department. I would have an army of psychiatrists, mental health workers, secure facility guards, civil libertarians and others as expert witnesses. I would contact every newspaper, radio and TV show I could find and I would do my best to nail their collective asses to the wall; which I sincerely hope the Steffey’s are planning to do.
The State of Ohio needs to make an example of them.
February 20th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
“Gang strip searches”; the new pigs’ craze.
March 14th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
fuck, this makes me think, what if they do this shit to everyone.. i hate this world going to shit like this
March 14th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
For Immediate Release:
Accessed Mar 14 2008
Still no word on what brought down WTC7 and yet…a marching we will go a marching we will go hi ho….you know the rest! Evidence, bah humbug, we’re invading anyway!
See smoking gun evidence below:
NIST Status Update on World Trade Center 7 Investigation
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:
June 29, 2007
CONTACT: Michael E. Newman
(301) 975-3025
michael.newman@nist.gov
A team of scientists and engineers at the Commerce Department’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) that is investigating the collapse of New York City’s World Trade Center 7 (WTC 7) building expects to release its draft report for public comment by the end of the year. WTC 7 was a 47-story office building adjacent to the WTC towers (WTC 1 and 2) that collapsed following the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. WTC 7 collapsed later that afternoon.
NIST’s investigation of WTC 7 includes an extremely complex analysis that incorporates detailed information about the building’s structure and construction, as well as data about fires, damage sustained from falling WTC 1 debris and other technical factors to determine its probable collapse sequence.
“We are proceeding as quickly as possible while rigorously testing and evaluating a wide range of scenarios to reach the most definitive conclusion possible,” said Shyam Sunder, WTC lead investigator for NIST. “The WTC 7 investigation is in some respects just as challenging, if not more so, than the study of the towers. However, the current study does benefit greatly from the significant technological advances achieved and lessons learned from our work on the towers.”
The NIST investigation team initially worked simultaneously on both the WTC towers and WTC 7 collapses. In June 2004, the team shifted to full-time study of the towers to develop needed simulation methods and other research tools and to expedite completion of the WTC towers report. Work resumed on the WTC 7 study in October 2005.
The current NIST working collapse hypothesis for WTC 7 is described in the June 2004 Progress Report on the Federal Building and Fire Safety Investigation of the World Trade Center Disaster (Volume 1, page 17, as well as Appendix L), as follows:
An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, as the large floor bays were unable to redistribute the loads, bringing down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
Horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7, that were much thicker than the rest of the floors), triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, resulting in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
This hypothesis may be supported or modified, or new hypotheses may be developed, through the course of the continuing investigation. NIST also is considering whether hypothetical blast events could have played a role in initiating the collapse. While NIST has found no evidence of a blast or controlled demolition event, NIST would like to determine the magnitude of hypothetical blast scenarios that could have led to the structural failure of one or more critical elements.
Updated information with the specific date for the public release of the NIST team’s draft report will be posted on the WTC investigation Web site, http://wtc.nist.gov.
Return to NIST News Page
See also: A-Z Subject Index, NIST Home Page
Created: 06/29/2007
Last updated: 06/29/2007
Contact: inquiries@nist.gov
So you see they have all the evidence they need to just brazenly march/invade into Afghanistan and Iraq. Bravo sold(out)ja boys! Do you just feel like killing somebody,anybody,then join the Army/Navy/Slavey and spend spend spend your Gravey! Is this sufficient enough evidence for all those zombie naysayers??
March 27th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
Exactly , exactly! Indeed!
March 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
I concure. Most definately!
June 17th, 2008 at 11:25 am
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October 7th, 2008 at 11:50 am
About the Paulverizer comment dated February 7th, 2008 at 10:54 am. I am the policeman involved. I think you should check your facts of the case before you shoot off your mouth about “what people say.” 1) the person involved was not related to me or involved with my spouse at all. 2) The case was full investigated by the Ohio Highway Patrol and Carrollton Police, In fact the case went before the Carroll County Grand Jury with a NO BILL returned 3) The person involved was actually out on bond for committing felonies. 4) And breaking the law again at the time police tried to stop him. 5) The ciminal made the choice to try to run……the police did their job to apprehend them.
Police catch criminals……I guess if your a criminal Paulverizer, then I can see why you feel the way you do about the police doing their job.