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Oregon Pursues Mileage Tax and Tracking Legislation
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Hasso Hering
Albany Democrat-Herald
December 29, 2008
A year ago, the Oregon Department of Transportation announced it had demonstrated that a new way to pay for roads — via a mileage tax and satellite technology — could work.
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Now Gov. Ted Kulongoski says he’d like the legislature to take the next step.
As part of a transportation-related bill he has filed for the 2009 legislative session, the governor says he plans to recommend “a path to transition away from the gas tax as the central funding source for transportation.”
What that means is explained on the governor’s website:
“As Oregonians drive less and demand more fuel-efficient vehicles, it is increasingly important that the state find a new way, other than the gas tax, to finance our transportation system.”
According to the policies he has outlined online, Kulongoski proposes to continue the work of the special task force that came up with and tested the idea of a mileage tax to replace the gas tax.
The governor wants the task force “to partner with auto manufacturers to refine technology that would enable Oregonians to pay for the transportation system based on how many miles they drive.”
The online outline adds: “The governor is committed to ensuring that rural Oregon is not adversely affected and that privacy concerns are addressed.”
When the task force’s study and test were in the news in 2006 and 2007, critics worried that the technology could be used to track where vehicles go, not just how far they travel, and that this information would somehow be stored by the government.
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December 29th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Why don’t they do a simple rape job and double the gas tax there. They need to be called on it, before they sneak this on in. No More Privacy Americans! Wake UP!!!
December 29th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
1) you don’t own that vehicle sitting in your garage for If you did why do you need:
a) a license to operate it
b) a CERTIFICATE of the title
c) to license & register it every year
d) required to obtain a STATE plate
e) required to obtain an INSURANCE contract
Remove this adhesion contract from your neck and WALK or ride a bicycle……
December 29th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
3 words for them , ” GO FUCK YOURSELF ” !!!!!
December 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
From the mouth of Gerald Celente: Tax rebellions, Food riots, Revolution
December 29th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Alex talked about this a long time ago and people thought he was nuts! I told my husband about it and he thought I was nuts!
If this goes through, we’re all fucking nuts!
December 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
The use of a mileage tax instead of a gas tax means that certain people can be exempt. All the little power tripping globalist servants will get an exemption. As it stands now, everyone has to pay the same price at the pump. But with this, they can have a two cast/class society with one group being exempt to all their little tax scams.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
Voyeurs. Is it about time to replace the “Star Spangled Banner” with “Every Move You Make” by The Police as America’s national anthem? Prying eyes, intrusive, invasive demons, just stop already, your relentless gaze makes me want to gouge your eyes out. You act as though, if given freedom, we will use it to commit crimes. Satelite tech in every car? Tracking my every action as though I am incessantly sinister? Your very suspicion leads me to act suspiciously. Your scrutiny pushes me to unscrupulous ends. When we cannot walk is when we long for it most, when backed into a corner with now room to move is when we wish most to move. Shackles for all, enslave everyone. Why? Why do you want to be the wardens of a prison nation? We are due for a riot. We will cause the very Earth to shake when we revolt.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
This has been talked about for a while now. The insurance co’s want a chip in the car to charge you by the mile and the law of the land allows this. Thats why I have a tattoo across my back–FUCK THE LAW.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
does the government not extort enough out of as as it is.. let me get this straight we will rebuild iraq after we bomb it but our own government will not let us use our own tax dollars to rebuild our roads that we already collect?? this is why people do not trust governmnet anymore.. it is us against them, and they make it that way..
December 29th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
It will be used to track you and such.
Just annother errosion of all our freedom.
Big brother is watching.
In protest I am filing exempt on my taxes.
ME.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Can I place a restraining order on the government for stalking me? They must stay 1000 yards away at all times and cannot track me electronically or spy on me in any way. “I’m afraid to get undressed because I know I’m being watched…”
Big brother, the peeping tom. Hiding in the bushes, one hand grasps binoculars and the other slips down his pants, he frequently stops to take long deep whiffs of a stolen pair of my underwear. His breath, heavy and dank, fogs up his binoculars as I step from the shower, a dribble of drool escapes the corner of his mouth to roll down his filthy chin, leaving a greasy, slimy trail that glimmers in the starlight. I towel off, unaware that beyond the walls of my home, beyond the supposed safety of my abode, big brother’s breath grows hot and quick, my pale form fixed in the abyssal pupils of his eyes, his jeans flutter by his hand which jostles and jumps within as he violently and rapidly molests himself. Unbeknownst to me, my Big Brother, my beloved Homeland, whose salary I’ve paid since my first earned cent, has never once trusted me, has been constantly watching me, he has become obsessed with observing my every move.
December 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Resistance is futile. We will assimilate you.
Resistance is futile…
December 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Taxes on food, taxes on tires, taxes on clothes, taxes on gas, taxes, taxes, taxes.
Now they have found a way to tax the air we breathe.
Enter the CO2 tax.
ME.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
Does anyone every wonder how much it cost the government to tax us. Seriously, to create new departments to monitor or take care of problems, hiring new employees, new offices. I don’t know it was just a thought i had reading this.
December 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Yet, I doubt we’ll see a reduction in school tax’s for childless taxpayers.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
We’ve been asked/told to conserve ‘energy’. So people have by driving less and purchasing more economical vehicles. So the wizards discover that by selling less fuel, the tax revenue goes down! So, NO, you aren’t gonna get away with it! We’ll place a tax on the miles you drive, regardless of how economically. And by the way, we want to see where you are ALL the TIME so a tracking device will be placed on your vehicle.
As for the tracking device, I have found in looking at new cars/trucks that they all come with On-Star. That can be used to pin-point your location already, so…
Anybody know how to disable those things? i.e. On-Star.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
This has been talked about here in Oregon for awhile. It’s not surprising, since here in Portland liberal morons eat this crap up under the guise of helping the evironment.People in this town refer to themselves as “The People’s Republic of Multnomah County “, that speaks for itself now doesn’t it. This city was designed like crap and the traffic does suck, but taking the bus or light rail sucks too. On the light rail you have punk ass kids jumping people, beating up old people ,harassing others ,selling dope, and robbing people. I think it was meant to be that way so the public would clamore for more surveilance and a more visible police presence to get the public more used to the idea of a police state control grid. This is qiute ironic though because everyone here hate’s Bush and his police state but will do anything to serve Obama’s police state. Just look at the 72,000 mind controlled slaves that were at Waterfront Park this summer when Obama came here to speak, perfect candidates to be Obama’s Citizen Snitch Patrols. Thankfully the whole state does not believe in this garbage. I hope people will smell the foul stench of tyranny even when it’s a Democrat in the White House, maybe then they will figure out that it was all a con-job in the first place.
December 29th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
It has gone way beyond being able to tax the luxuries of life, but rather how much will it cost, how much can it be made to cost to stop pain, horror and suffering. These are the new markets and everyone at the top of the food chain is devising new ways to phish and haul em in. When I say “em,” I am referring to us and that means YOU!
How much will you pay and how much can you be made to pay???
The answer does have an end point as to how far it will escalate and go no further, when everyone is in SEVERE pain 24/7 and nothing more can be squeezed for more. Imagine your deepest fear and the worst agony you can think of, including physical, emotional, psychological and spiritual.
If they can build it they will find a way. There is always the threat of being lit on fire along with one’s loved ones with a combustable substance. What they will probably do is build a microwave machine that burns like fire 24/7 and then make and sell graduated, patened pills that will reduce the pain, where the more you pay the less it will hurt.
When you look at all the shit being pedaled from cancer to disfiguring and crippling diseases, including HIV, Autism, events like 9/11, actual war and nuclear, biological & chemical weapons, taxes, inflationary taxation, identity theft, bills, bills & more bills and the cost of a home, jobs that suck, the Jones & Cleavers on TV, PowerBall and Queen for a day, were already half way there folks.
The only thing keeping you from flipping right out of your ever living gord is the endorphins your brain makes to filter and block the agony. Some people are already failing the “strain test” as psyopps attempts to find the maximum ceiling height and so they take the pills as prescribed and others resort to illegal drugs and large amounts of booze to cope with all this shit.
It appears the stage we are now in, involves taking away all psychological defense mechanisims, from a belief in God, to the Constitution & Bill Of Rights, family roles and their values like head of house, parents & legal guardian, US citizen. The church is full of pedophiles, the president lies and is a joke, our Intel is wrong, our advisors are dead wrong, mainstream is brainwashing the masses, moral compass is a joke, love is a joke, loyalty and work ethic is a joke, the US legal system and law enforcement is worthless, so lets get right to the quick of the matter and where it’s headed in the fast lane.
Nothing about you matters, NOTHING!!! Now do as you are told or we will burn you. Today it’s all IN YOUR FACE and they don’t even really try to hide it. How far will it go??? depends upon what the market and human soul can bear, removing any and all forms of mercy.
December 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
And… still no fight yep not a peep from the pussified pacified domesticated limp wristed chicken necked Oregonian males. Where are your fighting men America! Stand up against this outrage!
http://www.TacticalWarfighterGear.com
December 29th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
If this would mean that my insurance company can track how much i travel and how fast i drive, I would think my insurance bill would fall to a more affordible level. I would welcome a transponder on my car. why should i pay more for roads I do not even travel.
December 29th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
#21 toddK: That was the most cowering peon slave comment that I’ve ever seen posted here!
Wake the fuck up! Everyone should realize by now that steps are taking incrimentally. This ’step’ is bad enough on the surface with the tracking and insurance implications. Use your fucking brain, man!
December 29th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Our freedoms are slipping through our fingers and the voices are almost silent
http://www.rangermade.us
December 29th, 2008 at 6:24 pm
#21toddK
todd, there will also be jewlry and wallets to be found at the site of serious car wrecks and it sounds like you’ve missed your true calling.
December 29th, 2008 at 6:58 pm
#17 in response to disabling onstar
its really quite simple actually you just have to find the onstar module which is a relatively large black box the size of a first aid kit and usually found on the drivers rear side of the trunk..behind the carpet liner. once you locate it just unplug it. all this technology is childs play to subvert.
December 29th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Delphi, they are not going to admit being screwed until it hits to the heart of their world. Lets just hope that they may be part of the solution, instead of being potential Humongus ala Road Warrior.
December 29th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
So……Let me get this straight. The state of Oregon only wants to know how many miles you drive each year. I have a brilliant idea. This might be to complex to understand but I will try to explain it.
When you register a car with the DMV (Secretary of State in Michigan) the actual mileage of your vehicle is on your title. Even if you buy the car used they know how many miles it had when it became your car.
Follow me?
Which means from the minute you register your car there is a record of the actual mileage attached to the VIN of your car along with your name.
Still with me?
This means when you re-new your license plate or tags each year, some lacky could physically verify your odometer reading, and with the help from a thing called subtraction, determine how many miles you drove in a given year.
This may not give an exact measure, given inter-state travel and the like, it would however provide a rough estimate. Maybe a tax could be assessed based on a percentage of total mileage.
What does it all mean Basil?
Simply. The state can achieve the same results without the need for GPS based transponders by utilizing a system that is already in place providing that the employees at the DMV would actually do some work.
But that would defeat the purpose of tracking us wouldn’t it?
December 29th, 2008 at 7:40 pm
im creeped,,,,, no to any traking,,,, it would cost more then its worth just to figure it out…. they don’t ask us where were mailing a letter, they just ask for 42 cents… can you imagine how twisted it would get if the govt. starting this at the post office,, loging every letter.. this isn’t going to happen,,,,, there isn’t any money for stupid ideas like this anymore.
December 29th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
why don’t they do what they do on the east coast?—$5 toll roads. Same kind of robbery, but easier.
December 29th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
They are finding all manner of crazy shit to tax us for… gotta pay for all the new police officers they are hiring.
http://propagandawerks.blogspot.com
December 29th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
What will happen here, is it will be transferred to all the other states. Then when the price of gasoline goes way up again, and it will, then they will get us twice on the same dang gasoline. Take up walking or riding a bicycle. I suppose if enough people did that, they would figure out how to tax that too.
December 29th, 2008 at 11:07 pm
And here is how they did it to us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jV-k6uwPntQ It starts off slow, but reall piles on the info after a couple minutes.
December 29th, 2008 at 11:44 pm
and if you own a Milllion acer ranch you will be taxed for the 10 miles you drive in your own land
that is the same as having a toll road toll every mile in your properity
GPS used to be a blessing to have but now it will be used to curse you dayly in a new world order controll grid
December 29th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Every one in Oregan move!!! Just burn down your house and move!!!Before they pass a moving tax!! Unbelievable…
December 30th, 2008 at 12:55 am
I used to work at a gas station in fascist Oregon. We pumped 500,000 gallons every month. 500,000@ .25 cents per gal= $ 125,000 dollars we collected for fascist Oregon every month. There are thousands and thousands of gas stations in Oregon. YOU DO THE MATH!! Hey Ted, ya you Mr. Governor why don’t you tell all the Taxpayers in Oregon how much your Treasurer LOST betting on Wall Street. Last time I heard it was over 10,000,000,000 ya that billions. Is this why your BROKE. You gambled away Oregon’s treasury receipts. Hey Ted, gotta an idea?? You, know that GOLD man on top of the capitol building. Ya, that SHINY GOLD “Pioneer” man you can see from that mansion you have in the hills of South Salem. Why don’t you SELL it. Melt it down and SELL that GOLD MAN. Might as well go ahead and put the final nail in the coffin of once was a decent state. Sell the GOLD Pioneer man with the axe. Mussolini Ted.
December 30th, 2008 at 12:57 am
Problem:
Human beings are in the way of NWO progress.
Solution:
Portray them as enemy combatants in the mainstream and then eliminate them. Use mainstream for the propaganda message to sell the idea.
Problem:
Civil rights block NWO technologies, war profiteering and their potential markets.
Solution:
Annihilate the Constitution & Bill Of Rights and portray those that believe in civil rights as the crazies. Declare a war if necessary, facilitate 9/11 and pass the Patriot Act.
This is our reality folks.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Now here is a solution to zee “people problem.”
Tax the original sin of man. Because everyone is guilty, everyone can be taxed.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:22 am
I am hoping for a huge solar flare to take out those frigging GPS satellites! Nothing but a pain in my ass for but one more reason. All I need is a good ‘ol map to find my way to what-the-fuckistan!
December 30th, 2008 at 1:23 am
A usage tax is the only fair tax there is.
If you use a product or service you pay for it to be maintained just like if you join a golf club you pay a fee for the maintinence of the property.
If I have kids in school I pay for it. If I don’t, I should not be paying for it. If I use the park I should pay for it to be kept up, if I don’t use it I don’t pay. If I use the roads I pay for upkeep because after all it’s my use of the road that is the cause if it needing repair.
You meat heads who think you should not pay any taxes should quit your paying jobs and work for free in road construction. If enough people did that then there would be no need for a tax to maintain roads. I don’t know how they will eat and pay for their house but at least they won’t be paying those nasty taxes.
I fully agree that we should not be paying one cent in fed. income tax though.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:38 am
It’s also good to move off the gas tax and replace it with a millage tax because with the millage tax you won’t pay tax on the gas you buy for lawn mowers, weed eaters, dirt bikes, 4 wheelers, snowmobiles, generators, power washers, air compressors, forklifts, wood chippers, chain saws, leaf blowers, snow throwers, ice fishing drills, boat motors and other shit.
I have a big problem with the potential tracking ability though. And the millage tax idea might just be a sneaky way of chipping your vehicle.
December 30th, 2008 at 1:39 am
Does anyone remember those college psychology experiments where those in “authority” condoned and demanded of their lesser staff, that electric shocks be given to test subjects, per protocal. The working staff did their job even when they feard it might actually harm the test subjects.
Our law enforcement and military are being trained in the same way, to hurt the citizenry when ever they are told to do so. And laws are being passed giving zero accountability for any dammages being done while mainstream is going along with applying the stigma of “bad person” to anyone that objects.
If the courts finally admit to tasers being potential “deadly force” and devices of behavior modification and torture, which they clearly are, then my answer as a citizen would be, “you have the right to bear fire arms, shoot first and ask questions later.” If you or a loved one is innocent of any form of crime “suspected”, I would say that if tasering is a potential risk to your life, shoot the bastard with the taser.
Law enforcement should not be in the form of sci-fi psycho freaks from outer space. If they come out in that form, well, it is up to We The People to rid society of such insane freaks.
December 30th, 2008 at 2:12 am
Learn how to profit from the Federal Reserve System!
http://www.plabu.com
December 30th, 2008 at 2:18 am
Very bad idea. I certainly don’t want my miles tracked if I visit Oregon. Citizens of Oregon need to fight this newly proposed tracking law.
December 30th, 2008 at 2:26 am
I’m an Oregonian of fifty three years, and Von Kulo is a moron. Like all politicos he thinks of us as slaves. One of the last GOVs we where stuck with let the enviros take out our flood dam on the Rogue that had turbines that pumped irrigation water to the whole valley for free for allmost a hundred years, they replaced the three huge pumps with electric pumps, Now dont that make sence, now the Rogue valley pumps are being run by Bonniville dam on the Columbia river and we are stuck with the electric bill. I for one am tired of asshole lawmakers, whose job is to make more laws and more laws and rip us off, more money, more laws, more bureaucracy, more government, more BLM, more gated off wilderness, more laws, regulations, taxes, fees, permits, codes, licences, rules, crap and agendas. The whole damm thing needs a meltdown. Hope I live to see it,, Hope I live to help it…… The Machinist.
December 30th, 2008 at 3:40 am
Wow! What’s next a breathing tax!! How about a walking tax…Why don’t people wake up before it’s too late.
December 30th, 2008 at 4:16 am
Hey Walkermountain, I too have lived in Oregon long enough choke on the corruption that continues to slither through the so called government. As they say, absolute power corrupts absolutely & MR. Tax&gougeme is no exception. Better get used to it folks. They’re just getting started. If this isn’t balent in your face 100% against our God given rights, then what is? The writing has been on the wall for generations.
God help us all.
December 30th, 2008 at 8:51 am
Alex talked about this awhile back and now it’s being tested. They were smart to pick Oregon, which is one of the most liberal/communist places I’ve ever lived. Eugene and Portland are bastions of driveling idiots, however, to its credit, Eugene has some true freedom fighters and revolutionaries, but Portland is a pathetic, bizarre place. I can see this working in Oregon because everything is spread out once you leave these two cities. So if you want to go anywhere outside your town in Oregon, you must drive.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Got a Chevy? Want to kill your Onstar? Here’s how you do it! Click the link below and then click ‘onstar’ on the left of the page. This site not only shows you how to remove it, but if you want you can hack it so Chevy can’t track you but you can use it with a laptop and have free navigation. I ripped mine out. I didn’t like it in the first place, but I only had the vehicle for 2 days and when adjusting the rear view mirror I accidentally hit the emergency button. I knew that if I didn’t wait for them to answer (about 45 seconds) they would call the police so I had to sit their like a dummy so I could explain to the ‘magic voice’ that everything was OK. It was very unnerving to have to explain to an invisible voice what I was doing in my own vehicle.! Death to onstar!!!!!
http://www.openminds.net/
December 30th, 2008 at 9:17 am
I don’t live in Oregon, but if it gets by there, it’ll be coming to state near you soon. This is absurd, especially given that the governments have all been as fiscally irresponsible to their taxpayers as they have. Some other states are considering leasing or selling toll road concessions to foreign concerns, roads that OUR tax dollars built! This taken together means they plan on divesting themselves of the responsibility for our day to day infrastructure, at our expense, and then find new ways to TAX us more for the “privilege” of freedom! If we take this as a country laying down, we will have lost all right to move freely about the country. Do we actually believe our founding fathers would have allowed a tax on each MOVING MULE OR HORSE? It’s time for a huge REVOLT! Be represented in good faith by your elected officials or simply refuse to recognize their “authority”. After all, in this country, they are SUPPOSED to get their authority from WE THE PEOPLE and SERVE US, NOT ENSLAVE US!
December 30th, 2008 at 9:20 am
Here is some basic math to consider on whether this is an additional cost or savings…..since the Gov is requesting, I can only assume it will get more money.
Tank of Gas:
December 30th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Here is some basic math to consider on whether this is an additional cost or savings…..since the Gov is requesting, I can only assume it will get more money.
Tank of Gas: 20 gallons
Price per gallon: $2.00 (you know it will come up)
Oregon tax per gallon: $0.24 per gallon
State tax collected for fill up: $4.80
Miles traveled at 20 miles per gallon 400 (could be more or less based on car)
Tax based on Oregons proposed
$.12 cents per mile: $48.00
Wouldn’t that be a 1,000% increase in tax?
Based on my calculations, people who drive efficient cars that get substantially more gas mileage will pay more in taxes per mile than per gallon so it defeats the purpose of driving an efficient car when you look at how much you pay in taxes per gallon and how far you can drive on that gallon.
Miles per gallon:
December 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Here is some basic math to consider on whether this is an additional cost or savings…..since the Gov is requesting, I can only assume it will get more money.
Tank of Gas: 20 gallons Price per gallon: $2.00 (you know it will come up)
Oregon tax per gallon: $0.24 per gallon State tax collected for fill up: $4.80
Miles traveled at 20 miles per gallon 400 (could be more or less based on car)
Tax based on Oregons proposed $.12 cents per mile: $48.00
Wouldn’t that be a 1,000% increase in tax? Based on my calculations, people who drive efficient cars that get substantially more gas mileage will pay more in taxes per mile than per gallon so it defeats the purpose of driving an efficient car when you look at how much you pay in taxes per gallon and how far you can drive on that gallon.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:57 am
The mileage tax is to track us better, not really for more revenue. All you have to do is increase the gas tax. The gas tax is fair! The mileage tax is not! Gas tax: If you consume more gas, you pay more.
Mileage tax: If you drive more miles you pay more, not fair. But the govt will be able to track where you go.
December 30th, 2008 at 10:20 am
WE’RE IN THE MIDST OF AN INFOWAR FOLKS.
LET’S WAKE THE FCUK-UP, UNITE & FIGHT, FOR OUR RIGHTS.
POWER 2 THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, AND 4 THE PEOPLE
December 30th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Tax this….its a dirty damn shame!!!!!
December 30th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
HI BABY!!!!! JEFFY POO!!!!
December 30th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Thanks for the heads up on this article….J.Gov.
December 30th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
What a load of shit if you are all ready getting taxed at the punp why the hell do we need to be taxed by the mile. Simply putt if I am driving more miles than someone else than I am allready paying more for taxes becuase I burn up more gas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
You wonder if there will ever be a last straw. There has never been a more pure form of slaves, as we in this country. So, lets say you pay big, to save some fuel over the course of time, and of course that big purchase price is more of a state sales tax bite, now with this new scheme, you cannot save. So why should someone buy that type of vehicle, and why should someone build it ? It looks like they want to confine us to our caves, when this country was built on going places cheaply. When in the hell are we going to awake from this FRIGHTMARE.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
They try this shit on me, this war gets hot real quick. You better keep you heads down. The shit will hit the fan.
December 30th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I have figured out the GVt is going to do whatever they want to do irregardless of their agenda. They will tell us anything they want, do anything they want… maybe sugar coat their agenda.. BUt the bottom line is they will legislate and we will comply. You may verablly bitch, gripe , complain, grunt and graon, gnash your teeth, go out and get drunk or anything else you like. GVT WILL DO AS IT PLEASES and there is nothing the citizen can do to change that within the present parameters of the established GVT system.
Things will stress until something gives… then we will deal with that.
December 31st, 2008 at 12:24 am
So if everyone chooses to walk, then they’ll tax your shoes. Taxes are inevitable. Duh. That’s how the government pays for things. And, duh, the individual is the one who ultimately pays these taxes.
December 31st, 2008 at 11:51 am
kulongoski is by far the worst governor oregon has ever had. has he done anything, but let oregon be brought into the national hegemony? i never thought it would get so bad in my home state, but maybe this will invigorate the Cascadian bioregional movement…
maybe we should just take the fake libertarians and fake leftists, who drove one of the most resource rich and fertile places in this country into the ground, straight into custody for continually lying about everything and doing exactly the opposite of what oregonians actually want… a la french revolution… i always thought a guillotine would look good in pioneer square
December 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
does anybody know how to raise tom mccall from the grave? or maybe just find his reincarnation, they’d be about 24 or 25
December 31st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
I’m surprised some shit nozzle like Ted Kulongoski doesnt try to pass a law that puts gps sensors in shoes to measure the distance they walk/run to apply a mileage CO2 tax. What a piece of shit. I guess there is no end to fascist turds like him. We got the cure. Track this you NWO bitch.
January 1st, 2009 at 2:27 am
This is also being considered in North Carolina.
It is like the legislators carpet bombs the people hoping some part of the bomb will kill and take hold so as to begin the destruction.
Incremetal destruction via legislation. OInce it begins in one state… it will be “accepatble” in another.
GVT’s apaetite ofr money through taxation will never be satified until there is nothing left for it to feed on. Then GVT employees will begin to whine. whne that happens it is over.
January 1st, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I hope you people are up in arms out in Oregon. You people need to step up to the plate and stop these shit heads
January 2nd, 2009 at 8:00 am
Eliminate the gas tax. Now maybe a tax just on the mileage. Wow. Now I can go out and buy one of those big gas guzzling Hummers instead!
January 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
FCUK BOY BUSH, O”BAAAA”MA BIN LADEN & THOSE NEO-SCUM BLOOD-SUCKERZ !!!
TIME TO STAND-UP & BE COUNTED FOLKS, LET’S ENGAGE THE INFOWAR !!!!
POWER 2 THE PEOPLE, BY THE PEOPLE, 4 THE PEOPLE
LET THE REVOLUTION BEGIN …………………………. ALEX JONES 4 ‘REAL’ PRESIDENT
January 13th, 2009 at 10:39 am
you all are going to get a kick out of this one the feds are talking about putting a tracker on all vehicles to track how much “gas” we use and “tax” us indvigualy on how much gas we use. when in reality they are going to use these to track our movements and in doing so keep us in check. FIGHT THE GOVERNMENT AND THROUGH IT THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
January 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am
hey njpr u want 2 no how 2 rais some1 from the dead, go 2 a necromance website and learn how it works, but is a little grusome.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
The big picture, it starts with the N.W.O. aka (bansters) Working with the U.N. wish pushes Adgenda 21, Adgenda 21 is pushed heavly at every local government and C.O.G. (counsel of government) Thus we get Sustainable Development. Sustainable Development is apart of the North American Union plan for Judge Dread style megacities where everyone is in a few cities and the banksters controll all the other resources. Now with the North American Union we get the Trans Texas Corridor which everyone says is dead, It Certainly is NOT! They have broken the corridor into Countys because the local government is easier to manhandle. Thus we are getting tollroads (which are on already existing roads) and railways (which well be subsidized by you guessed it more taxes). This milliage tax helps pay for all the tollroads and railways to be built which will tax us even more.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
learn about Agenda 21 go to educatorsofliberty
February 20th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Another thing that can be defeated with a GPS jammer
March 19th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Didn’t know about it. Very nice information. Submitted this post to Google News Reader.