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Police State Minneapolis
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American Nonsense
September 2, 2008
McCain’s bizarre Palin pick did more than just turn the national media feeding frenzy away from Obama’s remarkable and strong speech, and the great feeling of and commitment to unity the Democrats left Denver with, but also knocked out of the national media–if ever it would reach there, anyway–the excessive actions the Minneapolis police–along with and perhaps at the direction of the federal government–are taking to prevent protests at the RNC.
Glenn Greenwald, I-Witness Video, Feministing, and FireDogLake have been reporting from Minneapolis about the excessive and unprovoked actions of the FBI and the Minneapolis police. Here’s Glenn, today:
As the police attacks on protesters in Minnesota continue — see this video of the police swarming a bus transporting members of Earth Justice [see update], seizing the bus and leaving the group members stranded on the side of the highway — it appears increasingly clear that it is the Federal Government that is directing this intimidation campaign. Minnesota Public Radio reported yesterday that “the searches were led by the Ramsey County Sheriff’s office. Deputies coordinated searches with the Minneapolis and St. Paul police departments and the Federal Bureau of Investigation.”
Today’s Star Tribune added that the raids were specifically “aided by informants planted in protest groups.” Back in May, Marcy Wheeler presciently noted that the Minneapolis Joint Terrorist Task Force — an inter-agency group of federal, state and local law enforcement led by the FBI — was actively recruiting Minneapolis residents to serve as plants, to infiltrate “vegan groups” and other left-wing activist groups and report back to the Task Force about what they were doing. There seems to be little doubt that it was this domestic spying by the Federal Government that led to the excessive and truly despicable home assaults by the police yesterday.
So here we have a massive assault led by Federal Government law enforcement agencies on left-wing dissidents and protesters who have committed no acts of violence or illegality whatsoever, preceded by months-long espionage efforts to track what they do. And as extraordinary as that conduct is, more extraordinary is the fact that they have received virtually no attention from the national media and little outcry from anyone. And it’s not difficult to see why. As the recent “overhaul” of the 30-year-old FISA law illustrated — preceded by the endless expansion of surveillance state powers, justified first by the War on Drugs and then the War on Terror — we’ve essentially decided that we want our Government to spy on us without limits. There is literally no police power that the state can exercise that will cause much protest from the political and media class and, therefore, from the citizenry.
Note that there have been reports of semi-violent protest at the convention by anti-war protesters–apparently not the “Food not Bombs” students that have been under police and FBI surveillance for weeks, or the FBI and police raids against them might have actually turned up evidence that they intended to do more than non-violent protests. It’s difficult to to sort out what really happened and who is responsible when there is such a provocative and heavy-handed police presence.
I don’t think that the vast majority of the American population wants, as Glenn says, “our Government to spy on us without limits.” But what the Bush administration has been so effective in doing is creating so many varied crises for Americans to have to focus on–most immediately how they are going to keep a roof over their head, food on the table, and gas in the car–that whether or not they’re being spied on (and no one imagines that they could be–their first mistake) becomes something of an academic question.
But one that should be receiving just a little bit more attention from the traditional media. The Republican vision of a full on surveillance state of the nation is in full display now in Minneapolis, and it would be a good thing for America to see as it considers casting its vote in November.
Update: Earthjustice e-mails to note an error in Glenn’s post, reprinted here. The bus seized is not associated with national environmental litigation organization Earthjustice.
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September 2nd, 2008 at 4:55 am
Uggly! just uggly!
it is totally against rules dignity
and unacceptable
that our children are threatened
by fire arms
children cannot understand the law in a way adults do
it is disgusting and
to all committing this sort of crime
I will say
they will be held responsible
one cannot measure the damage
it causes to young children
to go through such an
ordeal
a police uniform
does not make you stand above
God’s Law!
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:25 am
How are people accepting this sort of thing? How have we become so desensitized to the plight of others that we don’t even care that people’s houses are being raided unconstitutionally? Are the people of the states scared shitless or are people just plain retarded? If we don’t stand up for our rights, we soon won’t be able to! The people of America must act before it’s too late. The deadline is coming.
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 am
IT’S OVER! WE ARE NOT AMONG THE WORST POLICE STATES IN HISTORY!
BYE BEY REPUBLIC! We are now among the worst places to live in the world!
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:56 am
so many people on this site lay claim that there is no God,,,,,,they have no proof ergo,,,they claim there is no God. So let us use this analogy. When a man and a woman are in love,,the man leaves her for a time be it work related or say a hunting trip or wherever, ok while they are apart the man and woman know for sure that the love they have for one another remains! And there is little doubt!!! so the point is here that it is for certain that man and woman can have faith in that which is unseen , that being love! you cannot see it but you are certain that it is there, so humans have the sure capacity to love that which is unseen,,,, so then,, why all this fuss about not believing in God who you cannot see ,, touch, feel, or hear???
September 2nd, 2008 at 6:44 am
That is the republican’s platform.
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:06 am
In response to post #4… the problem with god is not that he/it can’t be seen or felt… the problem is that religions are based on myth, fairy tales, alegorical stories etc. …all of which are used to control people. If you take the time to fully investigate “god” you will find that the gods were extra-terrestrials who have controlled us one way or another for thousands of years and still do! The armageddon we are facing now is caused directly by the gods. Truth is indeed stranger than fiction but the only reason it is so strange and apparently off the wall is because we have been programmed to believe the lies of religion all our lives and even though these stories when analyzed without bias are way out there… that is not a problem but the true story is unacceptable to most. It’s the perfect con job and the reason we are all screwed!
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:08 am
The US is going down. The US can’t fight a war against Terror, Russia and their own citizens simultaneously. It’s sad that it’s going to end this way.
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:27 am
I really don’t get why the local police go along with this stuff. After they go off duty they have to live in the same city where they work. Do they think that angry friends will just welcome them home with a barbeque and a handshake?. And even this pales in comparison with the simple fact that most police officers are not blood-thirsty power mad thugs. So what gives? Why aren’t there mass demonstrations of the “blue flu” on days when they’re expected to go to work and oppress their neighbors? Or why don’t they just up and quit their jobs in protest? How long would the city managers go along with this crap if they faced 90% of their police force quitting?
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 am
to foofoo: sorry to rectify you: what evidences or proofs do you have that they are fighting against terror? All I saw till now, is only that they are creating terror to innocent people (until the proof of the contrary), everywhere they can…And where are the proofs of terror, that they are speaking about, is Saddam a proof? or Bin Laden? defend your rights, the justice and the truth…and stop the massavre…
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:04 am
federal involvement in arresting protestors is against the constitution. the patriot act and others should be declared unconstitutional by the supreme court.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:17 am
I think its hysterical that in the middle of this article is an ad to go to school and ‘jump start your law enforcement career – become a cop’. Ironic ad is ironic.
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:24 am
I got a criminal arrest record in the middle of the article, but thats all automatic
September 2nd, 2008 at 8:36 am
“CHANGE” “CHANGE” “CHANGE”. Put it in writing asshole. Change can be good, or bad. As far as i’m concerned, we really haven’t even sorted out Kennedy. But I think Stones film did a good enough job of that.
I am tired of this peaceful protest shit. If you want me to join, it’s clips. I don’t “protest” the rape of my constitutional rights, I “defend” them- with force.
Let notice be given, any cops who support tyranny you have CHOSEN your side. I am going to enjoy your track home, and it’s luxuries. Thanks. Dead men don’t wear plaid.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 am
#11
so true. so true.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 am
So where’s Alex Jones for this shit fest? Just protesting democratic conventions and not republican. that makes sense.
September 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
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September 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 am
Problem is that most people will read this and just dismiss it. It is painful to them to know about this sort of stuff so they just won’t accept it. They are called sheep. But they honestly have no clue that they are sheep. My father happens to be a sheep, but it makes his life make sense to him so he will continue until the last breath. Far as I am concerned his attitude is damning my future and my son’s future. We will probably have to wait for his generation to die off, before common sense takes hold again. I personally feel that the war on drugs is exactly what created the whole mess. The indoctrinated always think they hold the truth.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:03 am
#16 hey moron Lets
start with the bill of rights, freedom of speech (frees speech zones only)
freedom to assemble: Don’t get together with your neighbors to eat and watch movies the feds will drag everyone outside at gunpoint and zipcuff everybody including 5 year olds.
freedom to be secure in person, papers and effects:
Like the cops get a warrant for the left unit (ofa duplex)house go up into the attic and gain entry to the other side( clever but illegal.)I am sick and tired of your kind “well if you’ve got nothing to hide it doesn’t matter”. Laws protect people from each other and from the “authorities”.
All surveillance falls under this right also…I don’t have time to continue this. You’re not paying attention: Wake the f up!!
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:32 am
#16 Elaborate, I am not who you asked, but here is a short list of what has been taken from you:
1. The right to free speech, peaceful assembly and redress of grievances without paying money to get a permit or asking for permission or staying in a “free speech zone”.
2. The unquestioned right to keep and bear arms for self preservation without getting permission from the STATE to do so, conciled or not. Losing that unalienable right for the conviction of any felony offence, even if not convicted by a jury of peers. Habeus corpus is violated on civil felonies every single day in this country.
3. Travel on public highways, when not ingaged in commercial activity on the highways without paying for registration, license fees, being subject to arrest when no crime was being commited. Every traffic stop where there is no crime witnessed by the peace officer is unlawful arrest, kiddnapping with the threat of violence.
4. The right to lawful non-debt bearing currnecy for the settlement of debts and purchase of property.
5. The right to own allodial title to property.
6. The right not to have my personal labor taxed for the payment of a debt which can and never will be paid accept by production of goods and services already pledged to the Federal Reserve.
7. The right to tell Federal and State agents of the corporate entity known as the US GOVERNMENT that I refuse to contract with them or receive benefits from them in exchange for my Creator given rights being converted unlawfully and impossibly into a granted privilege.
The excerise of my rights without asking permission from the STATE results in harrasement, torture or death from my lawful refusal to do business with them at their whim under their “color of authority” over me, a living, breathing sovereign born native American.
8. The right to be secure in my papers and person by being forced, by and armed agent to produce my “drivers license, insurance and registration” with no crime being commited, no charges for arrest articulated and no lawful power of the sworn Peace officer to do so.
I could go on and on. I am sure others can and will add to the list. By the way, in the America our forefathers killed and were killed for, any of these violations was reason to bear arms against the offender for, up to and including the threat and use of deadly physical force, but that was then, now only the government has that right.
The NWO has already taken control and we are all subject to it on some level.
September 2nd, 2008 at 11:42 am
PART 1: WHEN ARE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO STOP BEING COWARDS AND START FIGHTING BACK?
(This is from a earlier post about the video of police raids at homes and of Amy Goodman’s arrest, but relivent here)
First of all: when the cops showed up to (illegialy) raid these homes in the videos, how many people took pictures of these cops and sherriff deputies and asked for their names and badge numbers? How How many found out where they live and hang out? How many people in Minneapolis/St. Paul are willing to bull horn their houses and legaly harrass them where ever they go, and that includes Sherriff BOB FLETCHER, like follow them around and have an instant protest, lets say, in front of the strore they are shopping? Who are these judges who signed these “warrents” and are people willing to give them hell as well for what they have done?
I DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE AGAINST COPS, JUDGES OR ANY OTHER GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL! BUT…. I do advocate that we do everything we can to LEGALY harrass and make their lives miserable for what they are doing and with consistancy push and push for their arrest and inprisionment. We do have the right to picket in front of their homes and everywhere they go as long as we are on a public sidewalk and do not instigate violence!
We need to start doing what our ansestors did to these types of people before the Revolutionary War in the US. Everywhre a British official went, a governor, a buerucrat, a military officer, who ever, faced name calling and taunts. They couldn’t even sit down and listen to an opera in peace without getting hell from people!
THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT AMERICANS! THEY HAVE SOLD OUT THEIR COUNTRY FOR THIRTY PIECES OF SILVER. THEY ARE JUDDIST ISCARIOTS- TRAITORS TO NOT ONLY OUR COUNTRY, BUT TO HUMAN DECENCEY. Anybody with some sence of decency knows that these people are the worse of human de-evolution!
Let me put it this way. Every state and almost every county has a sex offender data base. In most places, you can easily go on line and find out who are sex offenders in your area or neighborhood, their names, bio, and where they live. These people never get a peacefull day because there are always shuned by their neighbors, people who call them up at all hours and at times have people picketing them out side their homes.
I believe these people, as bad as molesting a child, are worse than pedaphiles (even though many of them are!) and if convicted molesters don’t feel safe where they live, why should these horrible reprensations of human beings?
WE NEED TO START TO LOOKING AT THESE TRAITORS AND PSYCOPATHS THE SAME WAY WE WE LOOK AT PEDAPHILES, EVEN WORSE AND TREAT ACCORDINLY (AND LEGALY)!
One thing that sadened me in these videos was not the outrageous behaviour of the police, but the cowardness of those standing around. Only a few had the guts to throw a watered down insult here and there. Most people were hushed and subduded, and that fear is what they feed on and causes them to keep comming back, like ghostly mojos.
People should have gone balistic! There shouldnt have been one second of silence with the constant berage of insults and name calling! Let them pull out their tasers and mase cans! It will backfire on them big time and just might be the spark that will FINALY ignite a much needed and overdue revolution!
People are scared of cops and are intimidated by their brutality and ugly steroid bodies. They (the cops) know it, and as long as the average person will act like a dog with it’s tail between it’s legs and will roll over on it’s stomach in submission, things will get worse and worse.
But, what would happen if the dog (legaly) bit back?
Cops are not gods and yes, you can defend yourself from a cop if necessary.
Here are some tibbits of US court rulling on the subject of police brutality and illegal behaviour:
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
One thing about bullies, once you start fighting back, it is they who start to run away! I know this from expirence living in Oakland, California and being a victim of several attemped robbries.
So, in conlusion: NO MORE VIDEOS OF BRUTAL POLICE AND EMASCULATED DOGS BEING KICKED AROUND BY THEM!
If I start to see more videos like these without people fighting back, I’m going to loose all sympathy for the people and outrageousness toward the offenders. I’M JUST GOING TO START INGNORING THESE VIDEOS AND WILL ENCOURAGE OTHERS TO STOP WATCHING THEM AND FOR INFORWARS FROM POSTING THEM. I’m tired of seeing all these S&M like videos and seeing people grumble but do nothing about it!
There comes a time when you listen and listen to people’s sad stories of being victims and being mistreated and at a point your sympahty and consern starts to wear thin and you start to get boared and irratated with the stories because they are doing NOTHING ABOUT THEIR MISTREATMENT AND VICTIMIZATION!
STAND UP AND FIGHT BACK AND LET’S START SEEING THESE KINDS OF VIDEOS. NO MORE POLICE BRUTALITY VIDEOS!!!!!
PART 2: MY RANT CONTINUES!
AM I THE ONLY ONE GETTING SICK OF THESE VIDEOS WHERE PEOPLE DON’T DO ANYTHING?
AM I THE ONLY ONE LOOSING SYMPATHY TOWARD THOSE WHO WON’T DO ANYTHING?
AM I THE ONLY ONE SAYING NO MORE OF THESE PATHETIC VIDEOS?
I just watched the RNC raid video in St. Paul in more detail.
Let me get this straight. The St. Paul Police and Ramsey County sherriff deputies knocked down the door to the residence and entered and detained without a warrent?
Why was a lawyer in handcuff? And why was she acting like a emasculated dog?
Why wasn’t there a gutsy lawyer on the spot reminding them (the police and sherriff deputies) of all all their civil rights violations and demanding these police authorities, until they present a warrent, leave the property and uncuff that lawyer? If they refused to comply, then demand a call to the police chief and county sherriff to have all involved be arrested? If the police chief and county sherriff refuses to comply, then a call to a local judge to order the arrest of these policemen and deputies along with the police chief and county sherriff for among a bunch of civil rights violations they authorized, the obstruction of justice for not arresting the offending officers and deputies. And if no judge would comply, then a complaint should be filled with the justice department.
How come that didn’t happen?
Nope… everybody standing around like it was a house on fire.
No demonstrations, no one speaking out, no one harrassing the police, getting names and pictures.
I was shocked to see a lawyer in handcuffs, who should know better, acting like a beatened dog and a policeman nonchelontly standing around. People should have asked that policeman his name and bage number, questioned his legitamacy in this situation and taunted and insulted him. He shouldn’t have felt comfortable standing there.
AND AS THE FAMOUS SONNY AND CHER SONG GOES: ” AND THE BEAT GOES ON”, AND PEOPLE JUST STAND THERE AND DANCE ALONG WITH THE BEATS!
Now you know why I’m getting sick of watching these pathetic videos and loosing sympathy for those who let themselves get beaten down!
PART 3: A LITTLE CONVERSATION WITH JONN.
John Says:
September 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pm
“Josiah Man you said a mouth full and all of it true. There is one thing you have left out as others have done. The important ingredient that all have failed to mention and it is the most important and something that the founders of this country realized from day one.
THE COMMITMENT TO DIE WHEN CONFRONTED. A lot of people here and on other forums are key board commandos – a few, very few are for real and are willing to die when confronted. Until you reach that point as I have I’m 59 and have some health issues, been shot at, busted up in fights, etc. and have stood off cops before. I have less to lose than a 20-30 something. But until EVERYBODY gets the mind set that “today is a good day to die” the revolution will never even start or put up a fire fight. People you have to remember the first revolution was started and fought with just 1 1/2 -2 % of the population with no communications other than a fast horse. So rap you mind around the thought that if we are not willing to die at any moment when confronted the NWO has won and we are sheeple that deserve to be herded up to the 800+ camps and killed at their will. Do not look for me there; I will be dead with gun in hand, or knife,golf club, anything that will let me die as I tried to live-FREE.
Sincerely
John
Get out of the cities,buy a 3-5 acre piece of ground, learn permaculture,buy guns and learn how to kill-paper targets never shoot back-use silhouette targets – make color ones like the swat teams. A video game does not have recoil or the smell of gun powder or the noise of a 45 ACP.
This war is for real and on our home turf-defend it or lose it.”
To John, #40:
“I understand where you are coming from. Yes, I agree the missing ingredient in a real revolution is plain old juevos (spanish for …)!
I’m personaly not a violent person. I feel bad when I have to swat a fly. I abhore violence because I have seen what violence does to people, especialy those who are victims of it. I’m the type of person that would rather walk away from a fight and if I see suspicious looking people walking toward my direction, I would go rather go down another street and avoid trouble. You learn that living in a rough area of town.
I’m not tuff at all, I’m a coward in so many ways like everyone else. I have no special bravery in me. In normal situations, like everybody else I would rather put my tail between my legs.
What makes a person overcome their fear and willing to die for another? I call it ethics or morality. When you are taught to care about others and feel empathy, in the right place and in the right time, self bravery will come to the occation, like if you were watching an old lady getting robbed by a large man. If we are taught to feel empathy for others, you will, by instinct, put aside your personal safety and fear of the large man and kill him if necessary to protect the old lady. It’s called tribal instincts: the natural inclination to associate with a tribe and the willingness to die for your tribe if in danger, especialy the weak.
I don’t need to worry if I will have the bravery to stand up and fight back. If I still have that tribal instinct, that bravery will come with no effort or thought, like defending a little old lady. It’s like the several times I was a victim of several robbery attempts. When I’m cornered and threatened, normaly coward ‘ole me will become a brave fighter, and that has saved my life and my hard earned money as well!
The tragedy is that through the many hypnotizing and narristizing devices, people have become somewhat anti-social and the natural instinct to stand up for the tribe (empathy) has been terribly retarted. With no connection to others and no empathy hitherto, is it any wonder people will stand around and do nothing when others are being mistreated?
We have become a nation of addicts, and with addiction, you care for no one else but you and your obcessions and your compulsions to satisfy your obcessions (addictions). I also call it self entertainment or the need to be constantly entertained. So, when the police is beating up and hauling your neighbor off to jail, it’s either close the curtains and turn up the volume, or stand outside and watch the drama as if it was some TV show, text messaging all their friends instead of intervening in some way.
The fight has been (as planned) neutered out of us. Most people are too far gone to stand up and fight. But if 10% or better 20% would get their s#&t together and become real men and women, and I can tell you women can kick some serious ass!, we can save our country and the world!
We don’t have to resort to violence. Smart and planned harrissment, public shaming of corrupt police officers and public officals, constant video taping and monotoring of their actions and picketing and bull horning their homes and places of recreation if necessary can do alot without resorting to killing and vioence, which is what they are taunting us to do. Taking over your local police review board and giving it some teeth is another good idea to fight (the other form of) crime.
If a small minority would stand up, and like you said put themselves in the position to be willing to loose their lives and go to jail if necessarry to get rid of this satanic neo-conism that has pocessed the spirit of our country, we can change the world for the better.
I’m taking a big risk tackeling this subject. People normaly dance around this subject in fear, not willing to cross the line and publicly advocate giving the police and corrupt public officials a well deserved hell expirence (within the law!) for the hell they are putting us through! No one wants to risk a visit from the FBI or a police raid for speaking up, especialy in Bush’s America. By publicly posting my post here, it’s a protection because if I did get a visit or raid, it would be proof that everything I said and Alex Jones has said is true. Myrtars can be such an embarrisment!
No one is willing take the risk to remind people that you DO HAVE A RIGHT TO FIGHT BACK IF A POLICE OFFICER IS ABUSING YOU, AND PEOPLE HAVE A RIGHT AND DUTY TO SUBDUE AND PUT UNDER CITIZEN’S ARREST A POLICE OFFICER WHO IS ABUSING A CIVILIAN. If people knew their rights and were more socialized, those county sherriffs in St. Paul would have not gotten near that house. And if it came to push and shove, I think, with all those video cameras and irrate and insulting citizens, willing to defend their persons and property and the persons and property ot their neighbors with their lives, they (the county sherriffs and FBI agents would have been easy to shove away.
But again, we are a country of narrissistic addicts. The only hope we have is that enough Americans are still conscious human beings.”
PART 4: A SUGGESTION FOR THE GOOD CITIZENS OF THE TWIN CITIES.
Sherriff BOB FLETCHER
Law Enforcement Center
425 Grove Street,
St. Paul, MN 55101 651-266-9333
He authorized and participated with the FBI in these illegial raids.
Without resorting to violence, what are the good residences of the Twin Cities going to do to make this Judis Iscariot and his fellow traitorious coherts wish they didn’t cooperate with these raids and superficious arrests, like what happened to Amy Goodman?
This man, along with psyco cops and corrupted public officials shouldn’t be able to eat a pizza in peace!
ARE WE GOING TO SEE ANYMORE VIDEOS OF EMASCULATED DOGS BEING MISTREATED?
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I’m noticing alot more ppl posting comments on here that are like “WTF you ppl are all crazy”, which is good because it means the word is getting out about this site, even to those brainwashed by their tv’s.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 pm
“…and dying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all the days from this day to that to come back here and say to your enemies ‘ you can take our lives but you cannot take my freedom! Libera!’ “
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
People in favor of abortion should be “roughed up” by police. Lefties leave the US.
September 2nd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
It has been well demonstrated that even Peaceful protesters are targeted by jack booted Thugs that are ” Just following orders. ”
When you people start fighting back, physically fighting back! And sending some of these
Traitoress Cops and Mental lackeys to the Hospital and the Morgue then they will fear you.
But, when a man or woman is ASSAULTED by a Goverment Thug while peacefully protesting
and exercising their 1st Admendment rights that is pure Tyranny!
They have NO RIGHT to stop your freedom of speech or your expressing your dissatisfaction
with policies or Government. Do not be intimidated by them. Put them in a body bag!
Can you imagine what will happen when they take away your Gun Rights?
If you must die for Freedom and Liberty then so be it!
If you are too fearful or scared then continue to hide your head in the sand and pretend nothing
is happening.
Ask yourself one question. Do you want to live under this? Do you want to see it?
Every Government Thug that you destroy and take with you is a Victory!
If 10 million Patriots take 10 million Goons with them or more they will eventually be too
fearful to challenge you. But, if nothing ever happens to them they will continue to assault
innocent, Patriotic Americans and kill them, maim them, and hurt them. The hell with them!
Don’t Tread on Me!
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
Your Right of Defense Against Unlawful Arrest
“Citizens may resist unlawful arrest to the point of taking an arresting officer’s life if necessary.” Plummer v. State, 136 Ind. 306. This premise was upheld by the Supreme Court of the United States in the case: John Bad Elk v. U.S., 177 U.S. 529. The Court stated: “Where the officer is killed in the course of the disorder which naturally accompanies an attempted arrest that is resisted, the law looks with very different eyes upon the transaction, when the officer had the right to make the arrest, from what it does if the officer had no right. What may be murder in the first case might be nothing more than manslaughter in the other, or the facts might show that no offense had been committed.”
“An arrest made with a defective warrant, or one issued without affidavit, or one that fails to allege a crime is within jurisdiction, and one who is being arrested, may resist arrest and break away. lf the arresting officer is killed by one who is so resisting, the killing will be no more than an involuntary manslaughter.” Housh v. People, 75 111. 491; reaffirmed and quoted in State v. Leach, 7 Conn. 452; State v. Gleason, 32 Kan. 245; Ballard v. State, 43 Ohio 349; State v Rousseau, 241 P. 2d 447; State v. Spaulding, 34 Minn. 3621.
“When a person, being without fault, is in a place where he has a right to be, is violently assaulted, he may, without retreating, repel by force, and if, in the reasonable exercise of his right of self defense, his assailant is killed, he is justified.” Runyan v. State, 57 Ind. 80; Miller v. State, 74 Ind. 1.
“These principles apply as well to an officer attempting to make an arrest, who abuses his authority and transcends the bounds thereof by the use of unnecessary force and violence, as they do to a private individual who unlawfully uses such force and violence.” Jones v. State, 26 Tex. App. I; Beaverts v. State, 4 Tex. App. 1 75; Skidmore v. State, 43 Tex. 93, 903.
“An illegal arrest is an assault and battery. The person so attempted to be restrained of his liberty has the same right to use force in defending himself as he would in repelling any other assault and battery.” (State v. Robinson, 145 ME. 77, 72 ATL. 260).
“Each person has the right to resist an unlawful arrest. In such a case, the person attempting the arrest stands in the position of a wrongdoer and may be resisted by the use of force, as in self- defense.” (State v. Mobley, 240 N.C. 476, 83 S.E. 2d 100).
“One may come to the aid of another being unlawfully arrested, just as he may where one is being assaulted, molested, raped or kidnapped. Thus it is not an offense to liberate one from the unlawful custody of an officer, even though he may have submitted to such custody, without resistance.” (Adams v. State, 121 Ga. 16, 48 S.E. 910).
“Story affirmed the right of self-defense by persons held illegally. In his own writings, he had admitted that ‘a situation could arise in which the checks-and-balances principle ceased to work and the various branches of government concurred in a gross usurpation.’ There would be no usual remedy by changing the law or passing an amendment to the Constitution, should the oppressed party be a minority. Story concluded, ‘If there be any remedy at all … it is a remedy never provided for by human institutions.’ That was the ‘ultimate right of all human beings in extreme cases to resist oppression, and to apply force against ruinous injustice.’” (From Mutiny on the Amistad by Howard Jones, Oxford University Press, 1987, an account of the reading of the decision in the case by Justice Joseph Story of the Supreme Court.
As for grounds for arrest: “The carrying of arms in a quiet, peaceable, and orderly manner, concealed on or about the person, is not a breach of the peace. Nor does such an act of itself, lead to a breach of the peace.” (Wharton’s Criminal and Civil Procedure, 12th Ed., Vol.2: Judy v. Lashley, 5 W. Va. 628, 41 S.E. 197)
September 2nd, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Since so many people want to know what to do, when is the gunfighting going to start, or just claim what they would do if such and such a situation ever happened to them or one of their own, maybe all those capable should find out where Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Jessie Ventura, and many of the other patriots who Alex has interviewed are and follow them around all day long giving them body guard services.
Now, obviously the enemy will eventually start something that will start a shoot out, but the defense will obviously be a glorious one that will go down in history as the first shot of the real revolution, the day when the battle cry started from the masses, not just the few. The enemy of course has the high tech weapondry and the tanks and aircraft, but it will be an organized effort on the part of the ones who are serious and capable of doing something for the first time as the question constantly arises about everyone organizing somehow to do something useful for the cause of stopping this police state we are now in.
Ones like Alex, Dr. Paul, and Jessie Ventura are alone in a sense. They are lone wolves. They are loners. They are the ones who are presently out on the front line. So why not start an organized effort yourselves to be with those loners on the front line while you can? Go help those on the front line already, bodily help that is, not just writing here or buying some of their books. Physically they have no protection, even if they have private body guards. Those who are capable of doing what I just suggested now become publically involved and the front liners are the ones who need it most giving them the backing they need for their very lives that they do not have presently. I am sure that someone here can now expand on this to make it work. Yes?
Rhonda
September 2nd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Alex needs to get off meth or whatever is causing him to completely lose it.
I just started to listen to the radio show and clearly Alex has some serious mental problems. I was looking forward to hear from the We Are Change reporters, instead I’m hearing Alex SCREAMING at them about them wanting children tortured, being KGB, etc.
The guys on the phone didn’t know what to say anymore.
And when Alex finally announces that he’ll quit that crap, it takes no more than a minute until he again starts with that BS.
Alex Jones is obviously catering to the MORONS with intent to completely strip We Are Change and others who try to make a difference of any credibility.
Thanks, Alex.
And get some help.
And I’m turning off the show now.
September 2nd, 2008 at 3:00 pm
#25 Keg Mouth, you are free to disagree, your disagreement is accepted upon proof of your claim I have the rights you say I do. I can only carry arms until a police officer stops me for traveling on public highways bacause I do not have a license plate on my personal convayance.
I am under arrest at the second the red and blues are turned on. First violation of my right to travel fight there.
Then he asks me for ID, which I am under no law to provide. When I do not comply with the UNlawful order. I am then put in handcuffs (kiddnapping by an armed person) and patted down, my pistol is found. New charge of CCW, now my property is seized, without trial, without me breaking ANY law.
Why? Because I did not beg permission from the state to travel on a highway, beg permission to carry a pistol, or give up my right to privacy by not turning over demanded papers to an agent of the state.
That is not freedom nor soveriegnty, I commited no breach of the peace, no crime was witnessed or reported, no habeous corpus, no victim (accept the State because I did not give them power over me nor pay them my hard earned debt notes to please their criminal coporation).
I do not need to request, beg, ask, apply for, defend or register for my rights to anyone. They are pre-constitution, pre federal government, pre statute, pre government. They are Creator given and unalienable, the state gives me nothing that was not mine by Birth Right. Thus, they have no power granted to them to take anything from me without due process, habeus corpus and a real victim making a claim and proving that claim to a jury of my peers.
Not asking the Government permission for what is already mine is only a crime in their eyes and those americans who are uneducated to who they are and where rights come from.
It is not about taxes, it is about sovereignty, the very idea this country was founded upon. And the very thing they have taken from the people by mis-education, ignorance, deception and now, force.
I know, I was a cop, I did it, and I did it knowing it was un-constitutional, I was a traitor, I saw american citizens taken to jail for not being able to afford car insurance, I saw vehicles stolen from people because they did not have the $300-$500 to pay for registration. Then fined more money to get their “privilege” to drive to a job back from a judge who is nothing but an employee of a corporation and a black robe wearing priest of a death cult religion.
No, my brother, Keg, this goes way, way beyond taxes, this is the same battle which has been going on since one brother killed another for POWER. The power to control the ideas, energy and spirit of other people under the ‘color of authority’.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:04 pm
I have absolutely no respect for any law enforcment officials anymore. If this is how they are going to act then I look forward to the day when civil war breaks out in this country and we have the largest pig roast in the history of the planet earth. To hell with all of the fascists in this country. All military and law enforcment officials took an oath to defend the constitution from all enemies foreign and domestic and they have all failed that oath. They are all traitors and should pay for it with their lives. Every person on this earth is free from the moment they take their first breath on this planet. To live in such a bullshit society goes against everything this country was founded on and stands for. I am ready and I am waiting for a WAR.
September 2nd, 2008 at 4:14 pm
The only Good Cop Is a Dead Cop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 2nd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Free-cell,
Your candor and knowledge is very impressive. I consider myself smarter by reading your words. Conformity is not in my nature, but I would suggest that it is overwhelmingly popular across the US. Do you have any answers on how to thwart the erosion of our rights that is being carried out by our “local authorities?”
Taking a stance upon being illegally accosted by police, leads to huge financial burdens through, loss of work, attorney fees, impound fees, etc. etc. etc.. I know I’ve been through it twice, and in the end I was found guilty of disorderly conduct, for not obeying lawful orders. All this because my car matched the description of another car that had gone through a stop sign on several occasions in a thickly settled neighborhood where I was dropping my daughter off to her mother.
They called my ex-wife to get my daughter, then towed my car, and took me in. What fired them up was that I would only roll my window down enough to put my license, registration, and insurance info. through to the officer. Which lead to them asking to search my car to which I said no. As the harrassment accelerated my 10 year old daughter became quite upset so I gave in.
Then I was chastised by my ex-wife for exposing my daughter to this harrassment. Now, am I a bad Dad for trying to stand up for my own constitutional rights. I guess so….. I wouldn’t want to live anywhere else, (maybe Switzerland) but this country is in a bad way as far as our liberties being stripped from us and I can’t see any way it will get better. Please respond.
-John
September 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 pm
more crazy Law Enforcement here in NYC
“Outrageous Fines”
$350 for honking your car horn
$1000 for not picking up your dog’s poo.
check out my blog
http://www.scratchpadnews.blogspot.com/
-River Bolden
September 2nd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
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September 3rd, 2008 at 5:07 am
If you haven’t done so already, go watch this video on youtube called “The Second American Revolution” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKFKGrmsBDk
It has already gotten 1.7 million views. All Americans need to watch it!
September 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 am
…Ah-bdi… The Stasi would come into your home , and take away ONE item at a time , every now and then , hoping you’d go nuts wondering what the fuck’s goin’ on !!!
Then , people started putting a thin layer of flour around the entrance n’ stuff to see if someone snooped in while you were gone !!!
September 3rd, 2008 at 8:39 am
Call to Arms,you make a great point.I can feel your frustration.The problem between 2008 and 1776 is the fact that the patriots were able to conduct secretive actions.There was no grid firmly in place.They met at pubs here in Boston,and Concord,and Lexington.They met in basements and homes.We,however,telegraph our intentions over the internet,and on cell phones.The patriots had a common mindset,and stood in solidarity.Our movement in-fights,and splinters,and divides itself into factions.Until we are able to navigate ourselves away from these pitfalls,we’re doomed to fail at every attempt at revolution.
Alex Jones is a modern day Paul Revere,alerting us to the approaching imminent danger.Our problem is that,unlike the patriots,we don’t take up arms and fill the streets.Alex shies away from inciting anything,knowing full well that he could,and would be brought up on charges.I do have faith that eventually,something so heinous will happen,that there will be no stopping us then.The UNITY will finally be realized.
September 3rd, 2008 at 11:14 am
Im sick of the Neo Cons ways. RON PAUL WAS AMAZING LAST NIGHT!
THEY CANT STOP THE MILLIONS ABOUT TO SNAP INTO VIOLENT REVOLUTION
RON PAUL “REVERE”!!!
September 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 pm
The fact that people went along with this just shows how low we’ve sunk as a society. Snitches get stitches.
September 3rd, 2008 at 9:28 pm
The Michelle Malkin incident showed the world that Alex Jones is mentally ill. Alex, please go on a diet and check in to the nearest mental hospital. You have a serious mental illness. You are on the verge of being criminally insane. You are a danger to society. Please get mental help immediately.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:05 pm
On today’s Alex Jones Show, Alex went on for the most of the show pleading his case for the mindless chant he did in the MSNBC background, “9-11 is an Inside Job” and how it is the best thing to slant. I agree, but why focus on MSNBC who is getting the most accusations as the “liberal media bias”. As Helen Thomas said when asked if the mainstream media was “liberally biased”, she responded forcefully and immediately “NO! I wish there were more liberals. Show me one who is! I feel all alone out there”. (Source. “Thank you Mr. President” documentary showing on HBO this month) On that I totally agree. They aren’t biased one way or the other. They are biased against anyone who defies their owning corporations losing money in the wars with their huge octupus of other corporations tied to corporations and their representated cause. i.e. clear cutting, mountain topping, bee collapse and the pesticides causing it, blood diamonds, oil pipelines, poppy fields, and on and on.
On Alex’s tactics and his explanation, I totally disagree. At this point, the opposition has heard this Inside Job statement ad naseum for years. It’s lost its punch. IMHO, there are many more productive things that could have been done. Instead of YELLING through a bullhorn this statement over and over, unsurprisingly, most people become irritated. They are accepting of this statement for a dozen times or so, but just about anyone, including many in the actual 911 Truth movement as has been witnessed all week, thought it was a mistake.
Let’s face it, Alex screwed up. Everyone is allowed to make mistakes, but this is a biggy and kind of bizarre.
For example, why did Alex allow these provacateurs to play him perfectly like a puppet? AJ has been doing this for 14 years, he should definitely know better. Instead, you can visibly see that once these “kill Malkin” jokester rats started to chant this, Alex is visibly influenced by these two kooks to ratchet it up even more. It wasn’t until these two clowns started chanting as loud as Alex in an initial fake show of support that Alex seemed to allow them to get chummyand actually allowed them to put their arms around him as if they were comrades . Camera motor drives began taking photos like mad as soon as those two rats put their arms around Alex. Even after that, Alex seemed imboldened and got even more aggressive. He did not need to shout at the top of his lungs. She didn’t leave for a few minutes so he had plenty of oppurtunity to act like a journalist and ask as many questions as possible in a nice demeanor. He blew it by snapping and yelling.
I think he should admit to being caught up in the moment temporarily, after all the police suppression he witnessed taking place in Minnesota including the “Minority Report” tactics of “pre-crime” being used to “pre-emptively” raid homes and beat up innocent teens and 20 somethings. Plus, the world doesn’t revolve around Alex. Why didn’t he tell stories of others who were treated much worse than Alex and did nothing. Can you imagine if these 20 something anti-war college students started stalking and barking at Joe Scarborough, O’reilly, Hannity, Reagan, Savage, Limbaugh, etc.? Why didn’t they go after them? Why MSNBC ONLY??
My suggestion is Huge signs similiar to what freewayblogger.com does and what he writes on his sign. You can easily write “9-11 is an Inside Job” and then add various URL’s posted below that. Add the Senate Bill number to one of the many fascist laws that have been covertly passed through Congress while red herrings are thrown out to the ridiculous corporate media to overshadow what is really going on when these bills are passed.
For example, want to bring attention to 9-11, post “See WTC 7’s Worker and Whistleblowers Eyewitness Account”, or “9-11 Inside Job; Google William Rodriguez, 20 Year WTC EMployee and 9-11 Hero Tells What Really Happened”, or “Google 9-11 False Flag; Google US History of False Flag Terrorism” or “American Inside Jobs; “Google Senate Bill S. 3930, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 ” Holding a few signs like this would get across the message much better without alienating so many. Think next time and make sure all of your young ‘uns with AJ, protect him from any strangers getting into the shot. And NEVER let someone you don’t know put their arm around you and pose for photos!! Not when you are confronting part of this extremely evil and DANGEROUS people.
September 3rd, 2008 at 10:22 pm
And no, I am not a provacateur. I have been an Alex fan for years. I just don’t agree with what he did here. He could have handled it way better like I posted above. Paint those big signs and focus on posting a info message allowing the sheeple to research for themselves. There are enough new fascist laws that have passed that 9 out of 10 people have probably never heard of.
PS. THe RNC Palin speech is over. She is being praised to no end. And on the supposed “liberally biased MSNBC”. (Sic). Besides Olbermann, there isn’t anyone who leans to the liberal definition of politics in all of MSNBC. In fact, they have way more who support Bush and Congress and let them slide… Buchanan, Scarborough, Carlson, Zahn, Brezenski, McCafferty, etc., etc.
Google the documentary “Brainwashed?” which is on YouTube and see for yourselves what our problem is. Americans who act like the elections and the two parties are their football team! I saw MSM journalists asking over and over to the DELEGATES what policies they like about their candidates and not one single person could name anything. All they could say was something about how Palin is a “hockey mom” and is one of the “regular people”. Give me a break. Anyone who gets picked by the PTB for VP is going to be a crook.
And with Obama, his huge mistake was bringing Joe Biden in simply to please the jewish voters in the USA and the string pullers in ISrael who basically own our Congress and White House. Biden is well known around the world for his positions. People all over the world know that Biden said on Israeli national TV that “I am a zionist”. Meaning more genocide for the Palestinians who the Israelis have bunched into 1/5 of their UN sanctioned land into a huge outdoor ghetto that makes the Warsaw Ghetto look like Club Med.
Do me one favor, please go to the site http://www.ifamericansonlyknew.org and see the insane genocide that began after 9-11″ . Lets not forget that within hours, all the US news stations were showing video of Palestinians supposedly celebrating NYC getting attacked on 9-11. It was found out later that this film was actually a march for a murdered civilian child and the children in the area marching with their families were offered candies which caused them to get excited. People that are so poor, the dozens of children start smiling from ear to ear. Shows you how much they appreciate even the simplest things in life that cost .75 cents. Shame, shame, shame.
For further info on the fact that our polticians do far more for Israel, a country smaller than New Jersey, gets more attention in speeches, policies, arms, and money, than any other country including our own people.
http://nogw.com/ilrunshow.html