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Posse Comitatus on the Ropes: Northcom Responds to North Dakota Flooding
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March 28, 2009
The Colorado Springs Gazette reports:
Northern Command is providing help in the disaster response to flooding in North Dakota, the command said Thursday in a press release.
The command will stage at the Grand Forks Air Force Base to aid the Federal Emergency Management Agency.
NorthCom will help distribute supplies and coordinate the relief effort.
A defense coordinating officer dispatched by NorthCom will act as the liaison between FEMA and NorthCom, relaying capabilities available to FEMA and coordinating movement of active-duty personnel and equipment to assist should the need arise.
NorthCom is based at Peterson Air Force Base.
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Section 1076 of the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act essentially nullified Posse Comitatus, as Sen. Patrick Leahy argued at the time. The bill states the armed forces will be used to: “Restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States.”
The the John Warner Defense Appropriation Act was subsequently repealed in its entirety.
However, you wouldn’t know it if you live in North Dakota.
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March 28th, 2009 at 11:19 am
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Jeremiah Joseph Sturk Reply:
April 7th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
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March 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
The ARMY will come with SANDBAGS and BIG PUMPS WITH DIESEL ENGINES.
They might go as far as supplying fresh water as well!
OK, as long as they bring Donuts for Harry Handcuff!
FreeinTX Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
The ARMY will come? Why? Because the National Guard is to busy killing people in Iraq and Afganistan to show up? That’s what makes it okay for the US F-CK-N ARMY to show up? We don’t pay the cops enough? We don’t pay the guard enough? FEMA doesn’t get enough? Over 2 MILLION people paid to help in situations like this and that’s not enough taht we need to get the US ARMY involved?
Does it even matter that it is AGAINST THE LAW? “Break the law. It’s okay. As long as it “helps.” Is that right? Since when is it okay for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to break FEDERAL LAWS written specifically for the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT? And who determines if it is, “okay,” to do so, and who determines if they actually “helped?”
bebe Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
FreeinTX: I replied, but it’s gone. Don’t see why, nothing offensive in it. I’ve heard complaints about censuring on this site…I’m beginning to believe it. Anyway, I agree with you 100%. 911Truth
George Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Probably some software malfunction, this commenting system seems pretty crude. Has happened to me also.
Virtual Eve Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Comments are monitored and gleaned. Your computer address is logged into a monitored database and facts about your participation are stored for use against you. Replies and comments are registered in the database by your IP, username(s), aliases and content.
Alex Jones, Glenn Beck, et al, are working to trap us by using our outrage and patriotism as tools against us and our freedoms.
Its fun to read the fear-laced articles and user comments. I like to see how the “crowd” forms around these little snippets of fear-mongering. I admit, I got a little emotional from time to time and commented angrily or beligerently occasionally. Now that I understand what is happening I feel a little silly.
Its interesting to see how many people are trying to warn others when all we are accomplishing is pulling the net tighter around ourselves with our participation, attention and fear.
Before long, life as we knew it will be a dimmly remembered dream while the newly, politically correct fabricated history is taught to our children’s children.
We can’t see eye-to-eye, find common ground or work together to find and implement solutions. We can only do what we’ve been programmed to do. Pick an ideal and defend that ideal from the many deviant ideals of others. So. In order to have and enjoy freedom, we must overcome our hatred of others, remove the dividers and blinders and practice some real humility by accepting that other opinions, views and outlooks may just have some merit.
Once we’ve accomplished that impossible feat, we may be able to save our country as a unified force. Otherwise, well, we all know that outcome.
Virtual Eve Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Cyborg, how appropriate.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:33 am
I wonder if Vegas is laying any odds on how long it will take for them to start gun confiscations and forcing people into “safe areas” like they did with New Orleans. I guess only time will tell. Will they have the nads to try it again with everyone watching and listening? Will the people tolerate it or will they just kneel at the power and aww of northcom. What a crazy world its becoming.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:33 am
National Guard escorts emergency blood delivery in Colorado
http://www.9news.com/news/arti.....;catid=188
Obadiah Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Looks like another excuse to get the sheeple used to having the military out on the streets.
Ari Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
National Guard helicopter crashes in high country (Colorado)
supposedly en route to Idaho
http://www.9news.com/news/loca.....;catid=346
March 28th, 2009 at 11:47 am
i live in fargo. i fear they are constructing something horrible here. 2000 troops. border patrol. coast gaurd..coast gaurd in the center of the continent…national guard can arrest people for looking at the operations. 6 national media have been arrested. this is far from over..i’m in a wheelchair, but man, i wish i could flee this god forsaken scene..with half of the snow pack of the 1997 flood, we have somehow set insane new records..our mayor and governer look tired.everything is federal now..s.o.s.
living0history Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Mark, I hear ya. I’m in Bismarck and there’s even flooding here too.. I’ve heard of people getting arrested just for observing or for being in the way… Have you heard anything about gun confiscation? I wouldn’t be surprised. If you need ANYTHING feel free to email me at harrisondylan@hotmail.com I don’t know what that would be, but I’m glad to see another North Dakotan on infowars
wewt Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
If what your saying is true, then its different that what is normal in years past. Arresting the press for photographing them during operations…. What do they have to hide?…Crates stuffed with tax payer cash? Remember… our police/imc only exist because of tax dollars. So easily they forget.
Do you have any links to the press arrests? Or are you just treatin’ me like a jive turkey?
Bad Slave Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Mark, what is your source for all of your info? There is some good stuff there. Is it the local newspapers?
taurus45 Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Hey mark are the troops armed and doing patrols if so could you try and get some pics of this but please dont get yourself arrested. Video would be the best if you can, but be carefull. Be safe and god bless you. fellow patriot
March 28th, 2009 at 11:55 am
God Bless you, Mark. Hang in there, brother. Sorry all this global warming is creating so much havoc for you up there in tropical Fargo. I guess if there’s a flood, that’s reason enough for the Coast Guard to assume a presence now! Before long, I suppose the next “reasonable” cause for them to deploy will be a bath tub full of water.
willhahn Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Ummm…can’t you tell when someone is being sarcastic? “Tropical” Fargo was meant to show how silly global warming is since it is snowing heavily and the snow pack/melt is what is causing the record flooding. I don’t think he’s a fraud, just think you didn’t get his sarcastic humor. ;0)
March 28th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Goddamn I hope the soldiers start a massacre. I would love to see all of North Dakota under martial law and a good shooting war so there are a lot of dead bastards on the news. I would love to see the military blow up some of those big fat amerikans so they explode on that cute little news caster mouthpiece showering her with blood guts and gore. That would be so cool! More killing please.
mark schroeder Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
hey man, that could very well be what this dopey joint is needing
March 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
http://www.9news.com/news/arti.....;catid=188
More excuses to get the military on the streets!
March 28th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Thank you so much for getting rid of that flashing had you had on this web page!!!!!!
I want More War Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
quit being a pussy steve we need more people swallowing their tongues and flopping around so we can shoot them for resisting arrest! Fvk man what are you thinking?
March 28th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I grew up in grand forks and fargo ND. the national gaurd has always come out for a few days to help sand bag the river, and to gaurd business while there flooding. This river has flooded pretty good about every 5 – 7 years since i can remember, since the 70’s. So this is a non-story. I dont think this story is similar to other instances of ng deployment on infowars lately.
taurus45 Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
National gaurd is one thing but when they include active duty armed forces that should concern you. I dont know about you but if i had active duty armed forces in my community i would be very concerned, specialy if they were armed any body know out there if they arm walking around with weapons or not that would be very interesting if they were.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
but arresting people for covering the floods? arresting people who need to just pass through the city? smells really bad to me
March 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
National Guard helicopter crashes in high country
supposedly en route to Idaho
http://www.9news.com/news/loca.....;catid=346
March 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I hope they keep good records so not one single criminal, traitor escapes when lawfullness is restored.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Because they have lots of tanks and airplanes that can help out.
We have plenty of volunteers to NOT need you to change the situation by making things mandatory or unconstitutional.
Thank you for your offer, but please keep your military arms off our streets in front of our children!!
You want my children to think this is a police state and to fear terrorist?
Because I know when you are on the streets you can shoot a citizen and not be liable in a court of law!!!
March 28th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
“Today American’s would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”
bebe Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Please, please, soon, soon…911Truth
American Patriot Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 1:22 am
ha ! get in line brother or at least to my side and we can do it together, thatss unity i can believe in!
March 28th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I bagged sand with the Air Force and Army boys. Without them, we’d be in a heap of trouble. We as a city simply don’t have the equipment neccessary alone to deal with the disaster. They’ve been very helpful. I know that’s what its supposed to ‘look like to acclimate us’, but when you’re in the middle of a crisis, they’re in the same boat as you. Most of them are local. No one is taking away our guns or forcing us out of our homes. I left voluntarily.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
It may seem odd for me, a military man to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to do so. I spent 33 years and four months in active military service as a member of our country’s most agile military force — the Marine Corps. I served in all commissioned ranks from second lieutenant to Major General. And during that period I spent more of my time being a high-class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and for the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism.
I suspected I was just a part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I suspected I was just a part of a racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like all members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military service.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and CUba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-12. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that the Standard Oil went its way unmolested.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals and promotion. Looking back on it, I feel I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three city districts. I operated on three continents
Bad Slave Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 6:50 am
He’s copying from a book. War is a Racket by Smedley Butler.
bebe Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Cute. 911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Our survival, the future of our civilization, possibly the existence of mankind, depend on American leadership — upon the wisdom of our policies and action. On the one hand, we know that peace has never existed for long where some great power has not enforced it by military strength. On the other, we have seen that military strength is like a flame which consumes the very stuff from which it springs. Great military peoples have conquered their known world time and time again through the centuries, only to die out in the inevitable ashes of their fire. Well over two thousand years ago, the Chinese philosopher, Laotzu, concluded that:
“Weapons often turn upon the wielder, An army’s harvest is a waste of thorns.”
March 28th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Loose what? It seems to me all is already lost, only the acknowledgment is left.
bebe Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Alan Parson “Nothing left to lose”
Nothing ventured nothing gained
No more lingering doubt remained
Nothing sacred or profane
Everything to gain
Cause you’ve nothing left
911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
it’s 2;17 pm in fargo..i just saw 2 twin rotor helicopters fly by….man they are not through with whatever maddness they have in mind…do not believe the national stories on this…local radio is 24 hrs on what’s up..no pictures..you will be put to work or jailed if you are not supposed to be there..sheriff laney of fargo has made it very clear that gaurd can arrest you..they do not mention border patrol, they have said the predator drones are flying..they are stationed in grand forks nd….the president was on tv today talkin’ to fargo…our volunteer pudding mass that lives here seems to like the hard labor and soldiers and camps…i’m kinda scared..they have evacuated poor folk high rises, nusing homes,and people with special needs…don’t tell anyone i’m crippled…across the red river is moorehead mn…mn state legislation voted down manditory evacuation..they are dancing all around the fact that this is all federal now..they declared emergency here two weeks ago…now disaster..after watching the prez this afternoon, with his volunteer cheers ,i couldn’t help but think he cranked out quite a few today…sellllll….remember fargo.
bebe Reply:
March 28th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
What possible purpose do predator drones serve in a flooding disaster? This stinks to high hell! 911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
these boys have been training here for years.border patrol now also..they train on our campuses, many this summer..swat bobm squads, hazmat, who knows what we don’t know,no pictures please..it’ very scary here RIGHT now keep an eye on us poor bastards
March 28th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
The major media outlets have all been instructed to repeat “active-duty military” over & over during their reports!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Posse comeangotus
American Patriot Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 1:35 am
extra YUP!
March 28th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Roaddog: Mark Schroeder seems concerned they aren’t, in fact, planning to take their toys and go. This situation could be lead to the kind of thing we saw at Kent U. 911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
isnt it normal for army or navy people to help with sandbags, etc… you guys are too paranoid
American Patriot Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 1:34 am
uh no ! dick
GUARD not army /navy WTF??? stop being dumb it hurts my head all your inate clowness!
bebe Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Hy has left the building. Hy has gone out in his little red billy boots and mack to lend a hand to the great and glorious and caring military and he will be too busy to write to us again. Amen. 911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
i know ppl there and they do this all the time. they had to help katrina..they had to to this and that. its completely normal…you kids should join the army so you can do something about it…Alex?
American Patriot Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 1:32 am
your late and your lumpy!
guard yes – army no- do not propagate bulls--- here!
arrests should be a concern? is that something they do all time too? think not
hmmm. your a bit trolly
bebe Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
“… join the army so you can do something about it…” Exactly how HY are you? 911Truth
March 28th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Posse Comitatus another federal law that the Government is not following! When a Government no longer follows their own laws we are in TROUBLE! We no longer have a Government by the people and for the people we now have a Government ran by the International Bankers (Builderburger Group). God help us overcome our own ignorance, and inability to perserve the Republic for future generations! We have failed them.
March 29th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Well Alex , who do YOU expect to go help these people in need?? leave them to fend for themselves?????? Is your sorry ass going up there?? NO….so piss off with sensationalism and blowing things out of proportion. Yes , the Army is going to help sandbag and help the people in need….not Alex Jones , he;s to busy sitting on his ass flappin his gums and blowing things outta proportion….( IN THIS SITUATION ).
March 29th, 2009 at 3:47 am
They decommissioned the valley city national guard last year here in North Dakota. If the guard was being used correctly they would not need any military to come in like Northcom. The propaganda for drones is all over the news here, if you go down to Grand Forks you will see billboards promoting the drones. It has been on the news that the military wants full control of the airspace here to practice their drones. I saw my first one shoveling snow outside, looked up and there it was right above me. This is not normal here, they have been hyping this way to much. I lived down in the valley during floods and work down there each year. This is a complete get people ready for the military in your neighborhood plan. Did anyone notice our representative standing behind Obama nodding his head like a good puppy during his last speech? We are in deep doo doo here if we let this continue.
izman62 Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Remember a few years back pertaining to the news that a B52 was carrying live nukes accross the U.S.. I heard on internet news that the crew has died in several different accidents.
bebe Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Hi Izman62: Yeah, it was carrying 6 nukes, but only 5 were recovered. Cheney has the 6th stashed somewhere for his own personal use. How many of the crew members involved died? Articles you can recommend? Thanks. 911Truth
Paulverize Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
http://www.legitgov.org/minot_.....ities.html here is a good site on the deaths and whats going on.
The latest person to die was found in a field in the northwest Minot area, no further details were released as far as I know.
Not many talk about it here, many have no idea what is going on, they go to work, keep their mouth shut and go home to family.
March 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
There are more protestors then police. If the protestors decided to get rough with the cops, then, the cops would probably be outnumber. Hell, the Black Panthers marched in the streets with firearms, why not the people do the same?
between2 Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
DO YOU THINK IT MIGHT BE A GOOD IDEA TO HELP THE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF POSTING YOUR STUPID BULLs---?
PARANOID – IF YOU’RE IN NEED OF HELP BECAUSE WATER IS POURING IN AND YOU HAVE O WHERE TO GO…….THANK GOD FOR THE US ARMY.
bebe Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Oh! Never mind. 911Truth
Paulverize Reply:
March 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Careful what you say, the people need help and they will get it when the time comes. Why even bother posting/projecting your crap here. The military does not need to be here in North Dakota, do some reading on why they were told to stay out in the first place. The Fargo area may be full of sheep but the whole state is not sheep filled.
March 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Brilliant, Gabriel, just brilliant! Thanks. 911Truth
March 29th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
http://www.libertytreeradio.4mg.com
Come get some how to find sheets, join a militia or just learn how to get prepared for what is coming. Ask for crazedcat for the North Dakota area.
March 30th, 2009 at 4:53 am
Listen, I live not 2 blocks from the Red River, and I was here in 1997 when we were flooded so badly that nearly everyone lost their homes. Those of you who have this image in your head that we have armed military people patrolling the streets here asking to see papers, your hearts are in the right place, but your info is wrong. The military (mostly NG) has been integral in keeping an eye on the levees and rushing to any areas that are compromised by the waters. We simply DO NOT have the means to do this without their help.
And the Feds are not commanding us to volunteer. North Dakotans do that all on their own.
We had the military here helping us in 97 as well, and could not have done it without their help to put out raging fires, search and rescue, etc. I believe that this is one of those cases where the Army was needed. I cannot imagine where we’d be if we didn’t have the extra help.
paulverize Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Move yourself away from the river, problem solved.
Do not expect people to help those who are so damned stupid to live so close to that river period.
March 30th, 2009 at 11:46 am
I know it’s a slippery slope, when the Army is being used for domestic situations; but if you were in N. Dakota getting flooded out wouldn’t you be grateful for any kind of help??
I’ll think differently, if I hear that the Army is confiscating civilian’s guns or on armed patrols.
paulverize Reply:
March 30th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I would be locked and loaded myself if they came here!!!
In fact I am ready atm.
Do not kid yourself, there were many other ways that this could have been done.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Bear in mind, our armed forces are Americans. They do not want to shoot other Americans. When foriegn trops(UN) that is when you should get pissed.
Too many times do you see that ‘we’ are pissed that our troops are being sent to foriegn lands and not used here. And when they are used here, well, you folks see enemies under your beds. The government can send them, the government can order them to shoot us, but the soldiers are ‘us’.
The vast majority are very Patriotic Americans, and they fully understand their oath.