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Provocateurs Planning Violence At DNC
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TruthAlliance.net | July 2, 2008
We Are Change Colorado has now become aware that another group, Unconventional Action, is planning on being violent at the DNC protests. Violence is a broad term. Some argue that property damage is violent, others might tell you it sends a message. To most of the Truth Alliance and We Are Change Colorado activists, there is no message to property damage and is in fact, a form of violent behavior. In the eyes of the law, property damage is completely, without debate, illegal.
To make the long story short, Unconventional Action seems to be open about their plans for the DNC. Their website, which can be found here: http://www.unconventionalaction.org/ has one link which is pretty disturbing.
Under the link, “The Strategies: How We Win,” a section titled: Denver: Disrupt the DNC, clearly outlines for “Anarchists and Anti-Authoritarians” to “join (them) in Denver, Colorado, August 24th-28th as (they) engage in coordinated Direct Actions against the Democratic National Convention, its corporate sponsors, and the military/police occupation of public space.”
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Direct Action is further defined on their website as getting directly involved rather than relying on a representative to do the framework. Their website goes on to further state that they are:
“currently organizing meetings, propaganda, and consultas in our communities and encourage those in other regions to do the same.
(They) aim to organize militant direct action that manifests opposition to both the Democratic and Republican Parties. As anti-authoritarians, (They) oppose so-called representational politics, but even those who still believe in it must understand that we can only have leverage over our rulers by showing our own power, that we must back our demands by demonstrating that we can interfere with their business as effectively as they interfere with our lives”
This can all be found on their website at the top link titled, What Is Unconventional Action?
Unconventional Action was attending the Alliance for Real Democracy meeting which is a new group that has formed in light of the information that was presented here on Truth Alliance about Re-Create 68. Many members of Re-Create 68 have broken away from the group and saw that the intentions of R-68’s demonstrations held no message and potentially could get protesters arrested, agitated and/or violent, aside from the fact that Truth Alliance got direct verbal confirmation that there is violence in the planning of some of the demonstrations. Read both of the articles of information about Re-Create 68 at these links:
ReCreate 68 Starting to Look Like a Threat to Peaceful Activist Groups
More Information Develops on ReCreate 68 and Revolutionary Anti-Imperialist Movement
Alliance for Real Democracy is made up of Ex-ReCreate 68 members who wanted to make clear that they are not planning violent demonstrations at the DNC. While clearly admitting that they needed to separate themselves from R-68, they banned We Are Change from being one of the groups that would be allowed in “Alliance for Real Democracy.” The reason for this is still unclear.
Unconventional Action is attending and apart of Alliance for Real Democracy. A member of Alliance for Real Democracy contacted Truth Alliance and described that Unconventional Action is planning property damage as their attempt to send a message. This is not just illegal but something that will get all of the activists labeled by the police as violent. This is exactly what we DO NOT want.
We want peaceful demonstrations with a fair, united presence. Alliance for Real Democracy states on their website found here, http://realdemocracy2008.org/, that they are “a nonviolent, transparent coalition of progressive and radical groups that will organize global justice and peace events and protests at the Democratic National Convention in August 2008.”
First of all, why have they banned We Are Change when they have invited so many other groups to be apart of this “umbrella” group? Second, the battle of the New World Order is that there is a two party, divide and conquer, agenda that has been used against the people to get different puppets into the White House to push the same exact agendas? Obama has recently stated that he supports war with Iran, among many things, his support for the FISA bill and spying on Americans. After attending the Bilderberg meeting, it seems Obama sold out quick. McCain is a joke too. McCain not only supports war with Iran but wants to keep our troops in Iraq for 100 years! McCain, when asked about the price of oil, stated that he really didn’t think it mattered. McCain is clearly one of the worst people to even enter politics and Obama seems to be selling out just as quick.
Aren’t these the real issues? The economy, the war, the falling dollar, false flag terrorism and real terrorism (which has been proven that some terrorist groups are trained, protected, financed and supported by the US Government), the Federal Reserve System, the still unresolved assassination of President John Kennedy, the continued Iran-Contra network which is still operating today, the completely illegal “drug war,” the prison system, 9/11 investigations, and so many more which seem to many as the real issues, since they single handedly represent the fact that there is a completely totalitarian system in place which uses the media to propagate its lies and the left/right paradigm to conquer the system in place. It seems that people want others to come forward as the “savior” to fix everything and get behind a party of a candidate and that is not, has not, and will not be acceptable anymore.
The citizens of the United States have to take back the government and hold politicians accountable for their actions and quit giving “Free Rides” to corrupt businesses, corporations, politicians and others if they want to see some REAL change.
False Flag?
As if this wasn’t enough to report on, it seems the Denver Office of Emergency Management is planning for mass evacuations of the city during the week of the DNC. Does this mean that there is intel on a threat or that a flase flag is coming? Perhaps this is evidence of just a mere excersize to plan for the worse. You decide.
A member of We Are Change Colorado overheard a conversation by some people who worked for the Office of Emergency Management of Denver at a Denver restaurant where they work in waiting tables. They discussed multiple detention facilities that had already been acquired as well as others that were still in the process of trying to be obtained. Some facilities mentioned were “already a done deal” were “DPS (Denver Public Schools) facilities for Detention and because of their use as viable LZ’s” (which we are assuming means landing zones). They also stated that DPS knew of some of these facilities and some they didn’t know about” It was a noisy environment and the We Are Change Colorado member may have not heard everything in their conversation correctly. They also discussed the “FBI securing Coors Field for “their assets”” as well as the use of Invesco Field and the Denver Coliseum as ” Fully Equiped Decon facilities” (Again, we are assuming that this means decontamination). One said something to the effect of “these 3 decon facilities would not be able to support the number of people in Denver but in a lot of circumstances most die before they can reach a decon facility anyway so the numbers who actually make it should not be to many.”
The DNC convention was specifically mentioned several times and the Change Colorado member is 100% confident that is what all of these subjects pertained to. They discussed logistics of both getting emergency vehicles into the city in an emergency as well as the logistics of “evacuating the entire downtown metro area of Denver and the difficulties of such.” During this conversation with members who wore shirt identifying that they were members of Denver’s Office of Emergency Management, they discussed that approximately 20,000 people would die from the event of this “pandemic biological attack.”
Denver recently held a pandemic drill where vaccinations were offered at sites around the city. The drills were set up to specifically treat 20,000 victims. Could this be a coincidence?
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July 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 pm
All Hell is breaking loose:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NeomHxPcYbM
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
This is war!
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Only defend, do not create Offencive.
Defend your Rights and your person and ye shall be set free.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Unconventional Alliance has to be a CIA/FBI front. Everything they say sounds like it was taken word-from-word from the state/FBI terrorism pamphlets.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:40 pm
In the land of make believe, anything is possible.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:48 pm
How come no one chains themselves to stuff anymore?
Has anyone done any digging on these violent activist groups, to see if they have any government or corporate backing?
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:58 pm
a lot of this is just speculation about attacks and what not, doesnt mean there will be a false flag op or a “terror” attack, all it means they are just practicing. war wont solve a damn thing because you cant unite 300 million dumb asses with a whole bunch of differences against what 1 percent of the population and 100 percent of the army? it will be a slaughtering win for the other side…live around the nwo and live around all this bulls--- it can be done, my advice is leave the country. although nwo is everywhere not just the states.
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Hi All.
This is what has been happening in the UK for many a year. Each time protests are planned the Metropolitan police special units made up of British special forces personnel, will create the violence which gives their colleagues the green light to wade in. During the 1980’s we had Thatcher destroying the unions and to do this the finale was the Miners strikes and protests. The Met would literally knock the living daylights out of the protesters whatever their age. This had the knock on effect that fear has been created and people are unwilling to protest. I would suggest therefore that the American police are enacting this same strategy over your good selves….We have to put our minds together and come up with ways to counteract such strategies so we can expose them through video footage…So get your cameras out!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
violence is the ONLY answer. politicians just laugh and blow off the peaceful protesters. there are too many naive people in america. i see the NWO has done a good job of dumbing down the majority of the public. the last person in this country who did anything useful in trying to take down the gevernment was the individual who burned the governors mansion in texas. acts of violence like that need to be done.
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Good god. Yeah burn something that has absolutely nothing to do with anything. Good job guys. Burning the door to the govs house has just changed everything. How focused and brave. Ugh….
Even if the pols do blow off every attempt at peaceful intervention, I assure you that you dont want to be on the recieving end of the cops retaliation.
To all people planning on coming to my state and f---ing s--- up for the DNC. You WILL get your asses kicked and you will deserve it. f---ing dont play with these people unless you are willing to WIN. This is coming from someone who knows intimately. Unfortunatley I think a lot of people have a rude awakening coming in the form of a truncheon.
Kept in line with truncheons
Rifle butts and truncheons
This is state control this is state control.
The savage mutilation of the human race is set on course
Protest and survive
Protest and survive
It is up to us to change that course
Protest and survive
Protest and survive
http://www.discharge.co.uk/
Just make sure you are peaceful. For your own sake. I dont want anyone to get hurt like Genoa or Seattle. Helps no one.
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Myths which are believed in tend to become true.
George Orwell
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 pm
doesn’t sound good.
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
Do you think the government is planning another 911?
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 pm
That gives me a really high pucker factor if this is “real world, not a test”.
July 2nd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Obama was at bilderberg? Where are the pictures and where is proof. We went from the assumption that he was there to it now is stated as fact!
July 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
“toby thoms Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Obama was at bilderberg? Where are the pictures and where is proof. We went from the assumption that he was there to it now is stated as fact!”
Toby, if he physically did not attend does that some how exculpate him from his ties with Zbigniew Brzezinski and other CFR/TRILATERAL/BILDERBERG folks? Get real. None of the candidates are working for the people.
July 2nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
” Green w/ Guns Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
violence is the ONLY answer. politicians just laugh and blow off the peaceful protesters. there are too many naive people in america. i see the NWO has done a good job of dumbing down the majority of the public. the last person in this country who did anything useful in trying to take down the gevernment was the individual who burned the governors mansion in texas. acts of violence like that need to be done.”
The gov. had his furniture and stuff out of the mansion for renovations when it conveniently burned down. Now he’ll collect insurance and get the taxpayers to pay for a new building. VERY PRODUCTIVE!
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:13 pm
Hmm, what should we do with people who already lack faith in the two party system and see that the Democrats are just as corrupt as the republicans? Let’s call them names and alienate them. That sounds like a good plan. The 9/11 Truth movement: The best at alienating it’s most likely allies.
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 pm
John D,
You are right, we do not *know that Obama and Clinton were meeting at Bilderberg. It is a striking coincidence perhaps that there are reports of the two arriving at the same time in the state of Virginia and that they met some where.
Maybe we can agree that it is possible they had met there. With tinted windowed, bullet-proofed suv’s transporting you inside the grounds, it is possible to arrive without detection. However, I concede. I do not have proof and perhaps everyone else should ease up a little too. But I believe our cause is just man. That’s why we do this.
Peace.
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Well, really violent protest is the governments best tool. Violence always leads to backlash against whatever the violent protestors where for. Some fool decides to shoot up a post office and you see gun bans, and the 2nd Ammendment going out the window. Some people try to set up a violent strike via telephone and you see wire taps. Some old man gets gunned down on a street corner and you see video cameras going up. You see vilent protestors and it gives the government a green light to set up prostest zones, as well as strengthening police presence in protest areas. Go ahead…destroy stuff…random stuff…the only thing you will see is the Government crack down harder. That’s why Ghandi was anti-violence…he knew this as a fact. Violence only begets violence and animosity.
July 2nd, 2008 at 5:59 pm
I would suggest folks in denver in high rise apartments or buildings set up a sort of blanket cover of the city during the DNC just in case anything happens, we’d have the proof ready to go. A camera, blank tapes, laptop with wireless card to upload the video: Done.
Although I would guess who ever heard this being discussed would hopefully have taken the name and credit card number of the individual who paid who was part of this discussion.
Or at the least, find out, better to be safe than sorry.
It’s time to be our own intelligence gatherers in this game. Espionage is played on both sides, but for too long we’ve been sitting on the bench.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:32 pm
#20
Gandhi was murdered and there is still a caste system in India. What were you trying to say?
Everytime we take a step back they take a step forward. Your making excuses for tyranny. People like you have pushed us to live in a helmeted society, don’t do that or they do this. Freedom is risky. People get hurt. I want to know how many of you hippie whipped pacifists, have actually been to a protest as opposed to a activist event? These supposed protest are usually fringe groups purposely given permits because they’re a bunch crackpots, with no credibility. It’s pretty much a joke. You aren’t affecting anything. We don’t have the numbers or the organization to plan boycotts or to block wide spread commerce. That’s what hurts them. Your confusing activism with protesting. Protesting is cause and affect. What they make us do now is activism cool signs and costumes don’t do nothing. How are you going to financially hurt the system on a cordoned off street? Protests are a step above activism, and a step below riots. Your fooling yourself into thinking they give a f---, if you aren’t affecting commerce. Period. Peace has nothing to do with it. It’s negatively impacting commerce and the infrastructure. When you protest which is now called illegal assembly, your unpredictable and a threat to their control apparatus. You have a right to assemble. How about the WTO in Seattle 2000? That was a protest because it was unauthorized and effective, but it was considered a failure because people got hurt? The cops looked scared s---less from where I was standing.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:49 pm
Infowars censors comments regarding specific power broking groups and specific dual citizens. Why are you censoring my comments infowars? I included facts and did not engage in any sort of ad hominem attack on these (unmentionable) groups. People reading this website should be allowed to read my factual, non- ad hominem comments in order to assess important issues related to the control these groups have.
Stop censoring legitimate, non-inflammatory comments!
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I’m not sure how I feel about this. Lots of people call for confrontation with the state/police/powers-that-be, and when it does happen, it’s immediately called provocation from the opposing side. Maybe people are just getting fed up. I know I am.
I’d like to see some concrete proof that Unconventional Denver is a state sponsored ordeal, and I don’t mean cop provocateurs, I mean funding, organizing, etc. I’ve been looking for some real stuff, but none so far. Maybe because it’s a decentralized effort.
But yeah, HAVE FUN, We Are Change. Have fun taking the usual routes, shouting the usual slogans, doing the usual thing. Come on, shake things up.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:51 pm
I won’t go to activists events. If it’s sanctioned by this corrupt ass government it’s going to be ineffective.
Most of them are a bunch of commie red flags anyway. Che guevara on a flag isn’t intimidating to me or any blue blood. You want to have a real protest? Block all the entrances into Washington D.C. and strike a picket on the Washington/Baltimore Beltway for a week. Now your talking, and yes, they will tear gas and rubber bullet the s--- out of you. When did willful disobedience become a dirty word? You think those civil rights protesters had permits? Hell no and they burned down Watts, and stop buying all the white man’s worthless s---. Good luck changing the world in your strict governmental guidelines. Bring me back a bumper sticker made in China.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:54 pm
You have an obligation to behave peacefully. You have an obligation to defend yourself. They are not mutually exclusive, it is axiomatic common sense.
This gov’t and all its boot-licking douche bags are nothing but bullies, whether it’s downtown Denver or Iran, they will bully, provoke, and push until you try and defend yourself, then call you an aggressor. It’s Israel’s favorite tactic.
Refuse to give up your rights, force them to be the aggressor, then defend yourself and your rights.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:59 pm
You have an obligation to behave peacefully. You have an obligation to defend yourself. They are not mutually exclusive, it is axiomatic common sense.
They will bully, provoke, and push until you try and defend yourself, then call you an aggressor. It’s Israel’s favorite tactic.
Refuse to give up your rights, force them to be the aggressor, then defend yourself and your rights.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:01 pm
It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace– but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:04 pm
I don’t think much of anything is gonna happen because Obama is gonna take the win. And yes they are planning another 911 but it won’t be here.
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:13 pm
i hope they start KICKING ASS AND if they have to take one for the team,i might just show up to start s--- too,click,click,the war has begun,dont be a pussy,RED DAWN is here and it all starts with denver!
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:17 pm
violence is the only language these f---ers know,so lets start “talking”,and REALLY get our point across,we want you GONE from this exsistance,FOR EVER!NO NWO
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:24 pm
How do we know some of these so called “violent protesters” are not “plants”?
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Now they are openly promising us another 9/11 .Both Leiberman and Black did it last week, if Obama gets elected president. . But we are crazy conspiracy theorists. War with Iran, here we come. Now people are openly admitting Iraq was for the oil.Now we can worry if the Democratic convention will be another false flag. But, hey , isnt it crazy of us to question the first 9/11,since their promising us another. HMMMMM
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
“Let justice be done though the heavens should fall.” — John Adams in a letter in 1777
July 2nd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
I Say Protest, we must defeat the new world order.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:06 pm
#32
How do you know they aren’t just hard working Americans fed up with a system that threw us overboard thirty f---ing years ago? Anybody that stands up to authority is an infiltrator? Sounds like a government weapon in and of itself itself. Once again your confusing activism with protesting. Protesting is now referred to as illegal assembly. Little cordoned off playgrounds surrounded by pigs are activist events. When you protest like it’s supposed to be done, your getting attacked with tear gas and rubber bullets. Period. The purpose of a protest is not to gain attention to your message, that’s called activism, it’s to break down infrastructure by blocking anyone from getting in or leaving your desired location. You block commerce, traffic, everyday governmental functions, to a stand still, grid locked, stifling. Mail, food, garbage services, public offices, ect. It’s supposed to impose your will over the government. Now when that happens don’t forget to call me, I won’t bother wasting my time until then.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:08 pm
I truly think something is happening, but when I look at the people who are blowing the whistle and leading action, man I have to tell you that it’s hard for me to think it’s real. I mean, if you have tattoos all over, piercings, and ripped up clothes. Come on, do you expect people to take you serious? Alex, I’m not saying they have to wear ties and jackets, but I bet their relatives don’t take them serious at family picnics. They’re everyones weird cousin. Just because you can provoke a policeman, politician, or any neocon doesn’t make you right, anyone can annoy someone until they call security or swing a punch, not that makes it right. All I’m saying is to be taken serious by a wider audience these people need to look and act less grundgish.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:14 pm
They can fight all they want against the NWO, but they will lose, only the Second Coming of Christ Jesus will overcome the NWO and take over the kingdoms of this world.
Come now Lord Jesus!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
The Ghost of Tom Joad – you are someone who actually gets it. people who think peace is the solution are naive. good people but naive. i hope you guys kick some ass!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Re: Jai M. – #23
If there is indeed censorship occurring on specific topics and groups on these forums, it’s proven that infowars.com is a controlled site, along with commondreams.org and many others.
Not that it comes as a surprise.
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
jesus is a false messiah,god is god,and has NO NAME,its in the bible ,dumb dumbs,#38,and god wants us to prepare and fight,or we will have to be slaves for the beast.get out htere and fight
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:54 pm
Why Don’t We Film Everyone Entering and Leaving the Area, So When These Provocateurs Start Vandalizing Everything, We Will Have Their Faces on Video. Just Like That Video on Google Called “Bohemian Owl G-20 Summit” (2007 Australia)
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:02 pm
You people are pathetic. Come Jesus? Where do you want him to come? On your face?
If your waiting for a man in the clouds to come down and to destroy the blue bloods, you’ll be waiting right up till the soldiers line you up next to ditch and open fire. You Christians, love getting lime sprinkled on your martyred, pious, corpses. The Cult of Abraham is a brainwashing tool, for elitist dominance, and your the first to impose your beliefs on others, by any means necessary. If your a man of God and I offend you, prove me wrong for once. The founding fathers knew all about you, your precious church didn’t give us one red cent till we were to the point of failure, and most of you stood around waiting for the English to re-conquer us. Only 3% of the U.S. fought in the American Revolution. Not a big surprise. Probably the same cope out back then too. The end is near. I’m a bitch. I believe in Freedom of Religion, not the freedom to destroy my country through apathy and dogma.
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:03 pm
That Video is Called “Bohemian Owl Provocateurs at Melbourne”s G-20 Hyatt Police Riot: The Real Story” and The Section I’m Talking About Starts at 9:20 in the Video (Dead Kennedys Song)
July 2nd, 2008 at 9:58 pm
AGENTS Provocateur..
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Why all the blasphemy? Every knee shall bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Every time this website features a story that really needs to get circulated, talked about and understood by the public at large, this site gets hit with a religious distraction bomb.
It’s NOT by accident.
Info warriors do NOT get caught up in these distractions, this situation (in Denver) IS too important and you are quickly running out of time.
The NYC flash bang was just a trial balloon. Trouble is afoot in Denver, and it’s outcome could mean, everything from marshal law to the kick off to WWIII (the Iran situation) or all of the above.
MOVE FOREWORD!
July 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pm
The DNC is going to result in the shedding of blood of young patriots.
God help us!
Hey, check out: http://www.theamericanvoice.com
HOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:25 pm
Notice how under the same link on the Unconventional Action page, “Our Strategies: How We Win” right after the part about calling for anarchist direct action, there is an anti-war event called ANTI-WAR OCCUPATION DAY , followed by an event called NO BORDERS and another one that says END RACISM/IMPERIALISM.
Why does this group mix the issues of war and occupation along with anti-global warming and open borders propaganda? Why would a group like this even support open borders and things like the NAU? That’s not very anti-establishment of them.
Furthermore, notice how after the NO BORDERS event they have the END RACISM/IMPERIALISM event, as if to say wanting secure borders is equal to a xenophobic racism, and that it is imperialist somehow.
These are things that make you go… wtf?
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:59 pm
Protesting is serious business. I protested in D.C. during Vietnam. It is certain that there will be a lot of government “moles” infiltrating any large demonstration. These days, the moles might start smashing things. At the least, they will pull some horrifying freakout.
When I went to D.C., they passed out tons of LSD, then they put on huge “show” with rock concert speakers, telling us that we should all become gay! So if you go, don’t get suckered into anything unexpected. The cops will beat the hell out of some people. Agent provocateurs (not gonna use the French plural) are always similar to intelligence agents. They are more “radical” than everyone else, like hyperactive, ultra alert eager-beavers. They like bright colors and goofy slogans.
A lot of kids will not know what they are getting into. Do not get pulled into large groups that are sure to be infiltrated. Do not smash stuff, or do anything like that. Some people lay out on highways to block cars, but you really could lose an arm or a leg, or a head.
Frankly I (with probably most everyone else) have so much contempt for the “parties” that I wouldn’t dignify them with a protest. Just think if they have 10,000 cops standing around and nobody bothers to show up! That would be the ultimate protest.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:09 am
The unconventional.org IP address 202.67.154.148 is located in Hong Kong China.
The IP address is connected to 33 other sites that are mainly related to “activist” type content. Something is fishy about these guys. Don’t be stupid, just leave the DNC alone and make sure to stay far away from these guys during the convention.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:10 am
Just so everyone gets it. An organization is nothing but a special interest group. Call me lone wolf and paranoid, but why does everyone have to get broke up into these clicks. Just another name for tax shelter. Donation, elbow rubbing, and we wonder why our country is so…so disunified. You can’t have a conversation without special interests creeping in. Does that tell you something about people in general, or just our inherit segregation. Divided we stand, united we fall.
P.S. sorry about dissing religion here and on another thread, it’s your right promised in the Constitution, to worship and to hold your beliefs publicly. I try to keep my opinion to myself, but come people, pass the jelly, we’re in this together. If we don’t get under one banner, we’re either going to end up slaves or all dead. Faith is good in your heart, now it’s time to use our minds, as the founding fathers gave us the right and ability, which to do.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:19 am
@52 completely correct.
Most important issue in the 911-truth movement is unity!!!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:22 am
“Green w/ Guns Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:31 pm
The Ghost of Tom Joad – you are someone who actually gets it. people who think peace is the solution are naive. good people but naive. i hope you guys kick some ass!!!”
Green w/ Guns he didn’t propose violence. In fact he said that the protesters would be the ones getting attacked, if they were doing it right (I agree with him. All nonviolent avenues must be exhausted or we will wind up in martial law before more people wake up to arm themselves. Even another month will go a long way for people getting armed and getting food supplies.). You sound like you’re itching to pull a trigger. I’m positive there will be a war. These sociopaths have shown their colors over the decades and in other countries as to how they operate. We just need more people to wake the @#@ up and get prepped. The more who are ready the easier the job. Diving in head first is a good way to get killed or tortured w/o being EFFECTIVE.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:30 am
I suggest that anyone going down there to protest, be VERY VERY careful. I can see this turning into a provacateur situation where a lot of innocent people could be hurt.
Our voice is our weapon and it must be heard peacefully and with love.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 am
“we must back our demands by demonstrating that we can interfere with their business as effectively as they interfere with our lives”
I see nothing wrong with the above statement. I think that we all have to reciprocate when we have had enough violence coming from the manipulated “authorities”. they must understand that if they engage in violent tactics in order to control the people, the people may use the same kind of tactics in order to gain control of their own lives. if a government fails, that government must be opposed and .finally, removed.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:09 am
This is a catch 22, being non-violent has only gotten the TRUTH movements treated like we’re retards, & those who have tried to use violence has been arrested. I believe that physically using violence on those of the EVIL MENTALITY, is only stooping down to their level, which makes you just as EVIL as they are. We need to make our selves HEARD & SEEN.
These people are not living squeaky clean lives, since they want to “monitor us”, we need to do the same to them. “monitor ” every second of their lives, ( not wiretapping, bugging, or using secret video cameras) to expose them for the LIARS that they are.
The use of violence has a time & a place, to protect oneself from bodily harm, or from keeping our EVIL GOVERNMENT from violating our CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS!!! We need to ask our selves just how important is this Country of ours to us ? How many of you has allowed the Commies to intimidate or brainwash you. This Country doesn’t need to allow this fake election to happen, doing whatever needs to be done to put a stop to it.
We need to show the rest of the world that this Country is not prone to using violence on one another, but using our intelligence to get get our message across. All of the TRUTH Movements need to bond together & come up with a plan to do Battle with the Anti-Freedom wacko’s.
When we become UNITED, (200 or 300 thousand or more) storming their little pompous ass meeting.
The Truth Movement is at a cross roads & if WE are not UNITED together to make a STAND, then WE are DIVIDED & destined to FALL!!!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:17 am
Hey how do you know these guys are not the FBI/CIA/DHS etc, and they are going to do this to get other innocent people in trouble? This is a good way to discredit others who are only exercising freedom of speech. It is done all the time.
These alphabet soups are watching ALL of our websites, using proxy servers. When you block one, they move on to the next.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:18 am
I suggest this is going to be done to deal the final blow to discrediting the Ron Paul people who have never done one violent thing. Mark my words! I lived through the 60s, I know agitators when I see them.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 am
They’re using laser pointers for the police choppers?
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:12 am
Use your head people and leave God out of it.
Time for half measures is over.
All your saints and peace activists are dead.
Freedom is all that matters.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:16 am
Not that I am doubting WACC, they are solid people, patriots. However, with regard to this DOEM conversation, I must, just as a precaution, suggest that some of this conversation may have been pretext (disinformation) for the benefit of potentially listening ears around them. I find it difficult to believe that professional security people would have been so lackadasical as to let slip so easily confidential and potentially classified operational protocols, especially in a very noisy, crowded, and so PUBLIC an area.
Let us also remember that there is a legitimate aspect to this kind of planning that we should in fact respect as law-abiding people.
As far as Unconventional Action is concerned, I checked out their website and yes they are publicly announcing plans for radical violence at both the DNC and RNC, with the DNC acting as the model for increased actions at the RNC, should the DNC provocations go off well.
But in examining the site, it seems clear to me as well that these people are an easy target for COINTELPRO infiltration and could in fact BE part of such operations.
We need to be very careful how we appear at the DNC, ferret out provocateurs *immediately* and maintain discipline and calm at all times.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 am
I’m not familiar with this group. The name Unconventional Action sounds crafted for this one event.
I do resent the depiction of Anarchists as violent. The vast majority of Anarchists historically believed in non-violent means of changing society, particularly gradually supplanting the functions of gov’t with direct democracy (as opposed to republican democracy, which has proven itself a failure).
Even Ron Paul has spoken postitively about Lysander Spooner and Benjamin Tucker, although as “Anarcho-Capitalists” they do not recognize that Capitalism breeds a State necessarily in order to protect their capital.
I heartily recommend that those who are not familiar with Anarchism study the works of Peter Kropotkin, Mikhael Bakunin, Emma Goldman, Alexander Berkman and Errico Malatesta for starters.
Mikhael Bakunin hated Rousseau and the Jacobins. Though he did not call them Masons, which they were, he hated their duplicitous politics.
Anarcho-Communists are *anti-Marx* and all schools of Marxism because we are anti-Statism. We are against both Government and Capitalism.
He knew that without economic equality, high falutin’ claims of political equality are meaningless.
*And the Masons who crafted the Constitution and the Bill of Rights knew that too*.
So long as there is no economic equality there cannot be political equality or any kind of equality.
The Constitutionalists like Jones are defending a bogus document. It is a Masonic document. That means it was craftily crafted. There is no going back to the Constitution. It was never more than a device for the English Masons to join with the French Masons in order to bring the Monarchies under their economic control. The creation of the United States of America was a Rothschild plan.
They propagate lies about us because they know we and only we have the full answer to domination. Anarcho-Communism – a world without States, without Governments, without the amassing of Capital is the answer.
We are not all atheists. As you will learn if you care to, there are many forms of Anarchy that exist comfortably with religion. There are Christian Anarchists and Muslim Anarchists and Jewish Anarchists and Buddhist Anarchists and Hindu Anarchists. We simply practice a non-coercive, non-authoritarian, non-discriminatory version of our religions.
D2
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:10 am
Unfortunately, being kind and walking around with flowers in your hair might have done it in the 60’s and 70’s, but this is the turn of the century. Politicians no longer hear or see, they need to feel. They need to feel something in these final day’s of freedom. Their puppet media is still playing American’s like the fools they see everyday. Are you so braindead you think that all it will take to get your freedoms back is by saying “No” to them. They will contiune to smirk and laugh all the way to the banks and rituals while you and your family members stand in line at the food banks and the outhouses. Hurrican Katrina was just a test to see how long you could hold till the government was forced to do something.
Now they are ready to watch all American’s lay down and die for them. They have almost done looting your land, now they will leave you all behind to swim in the mess they made. The mess you let happen.
They feed off the “lets give peace a chance” and “we know you’re being bad, so big government stop it, stop it or we’ll make more signs that say, stop it.”
I’m afraid the person who said when violent protest would sometimes be the only way, then that’s what will have to happen.
America, don’t lay down and die as you did on 9/11. f--- what the Mulsims or Jews or any other nation thinks of you, don’t let your government think you’re all ready for the harvest and get locked away into Halliburton death camps. Your ancestors died to keep America free, and all you lazy bums have to show for it is pot parties and folk songs.
It’s gonna be either you or them.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:21 am
” Doreen Ellen Bell-Dotan Says:
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:50 am ”
Your commentary regarding anarchists was well stated. It is critical that anarchists get demonished to obscure the solution to tyranny. Humans should never be allowed to dominate over other humans. The results are disasterous as can be seen in the form of governments or experimental studies (Standford prison experiment, Milgram experiments). People need to reassess their lives and researching what is proposed by anarchists (the real ones not the government created, violent fakes). Lysander Spooner’s article “no Treason” which is a great start for stepping outside of the matrix can be found online if you google his information.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:50 am
the site is pink….what kind of violent anarchy group has a girly pink site?? I have to agree with Darth Chaos here >>>>Unconventional Alliance has to be a CIA/FBI front. Everything they say sounds like it was taken word-from-word from the state/FBI terrorism pamphlets.<<<<
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:22 am
Silent cry, a tear, sound, an ever enlarging ripple spreading, reaching for, searching for…
Anyone that wishes to protest peacefully, should certainly do so, as is their right.
Anyone “incarcerated” or “enslaved” in the future, “as a result of continued peaceful protest” should not complain about their situation. It would be best to meekly bow before the “Master” with downcast eyes.
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Anyone that wishes to “finally” rise against the “Master”, with the ultimate aim of destroying, once and for all “The Masters Material Castle and Underlings”, should certainly do so, as is their right.
Anyone “seriously injured” or “killed” in the future, “as a result of their belief in freedom” should take comfort in the knowledge, that their actions and belief, are as old as mankind itself. From the beginning of time Men and Women have risen up against opression, against those of power that desire to enslave. Death, The birth of a Child, forward. Death, The birth of a Child, forward. Forever forging forward, discovering, inventing, healing. And always standing up against they that look on their fellow man, with contempt and desire to control. But always forward with a conviction of “self”, and of “self” in others.
Freedom in it’s purest form can never be labeled. As the wind is unseen, so to is freedom. As present in a new born child, it’s also within age, laid to final rest. It can never be lost or taken, for who can take the wind?
They once slave from time since past, in chains, restless, the aching restlesness of freedom within, seeking it’s place, searching, but always there within the shackles, never lost, can’t take the wind.
Every day a protest, so to a law against. Each day of idleness, evil men further conspire. A candle flickering, don’t go out, fluttering, please don’t go out, sputtering, please “the flame of life can’t go out”, please, a child cries, whose child?
Mommy?
Daddy?
If not for the children then who?
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:15 am
its all just one big nightmare we should have put a stop to ther undemocratic control of us many years ago its to dam late the next generation after us does not even know of the problem we a in big bloody trouble i feel so bloody helpless at the mo
peace to all of us f--- the nwo f--- the zionist jew masters f--- are brothers sisters uncles aunties fathers and mothers who work for the police the army the fbi f--- them for allowing this s--- to stick 
god bless all who fight it you are trully heros of the highest order in my mind god bless all of you
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:17 am
Why does the taxpayers pick up the bill for political parties to pick a candidate? There is nothing in the constitution about a two party system, it is easy to control both. There were five candidates in the 1861 election. The Republicans are the old federalist party and the Democrats are the old Republican party. We are willing pawns, tax slaves, we are as free as a bird in a cage. Obama is the candidate. Why have a convention?
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:45 am
We are going to protest!
We are not going to be corralled like cattle.
We will fight back!
There is going to be THOUSANDS of us!!!
Check out: http://www.theamericanvoice.com
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 am
Only Provocateurs are people who believe in 911 Conspiracy and Alex Jones Supporter.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:26 am
Anna,
You should research 9/11 and what Alex Jones is about before judging. I think you will find that those who have awoken to the truth about the world we live in are actually the most patriotic and sensible people around.
Jersey Lou
http://www.humanityovercomes.blogspot.com
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:27 am
Anna…you must be a plant…get off this site. Infowars is for patriots and people who believe the truth, not braiwashed automatons like yourself. Take a hike. Adios. Piss off to be more appropriate.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:29 am
God please forgive us all for being pussies
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 am
This sounds like the law breaking the law.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:47 am
Aussie I had you wrong. You do have your heart in this, and that’s all that matters. Rise up brother.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 am
Atleast their is action. Passiveness is also a crime, in the eyes of god.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:59 am
#71 Anna.
You are a cheeky girl Anna. And iv’e a mind to lay you across my knee (must not have wicked thoughts) raise your skirt (must not have thoughts wicked) slowly, ever so slowly ease your pink panties down (have not must thoughts wicked) and (aaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh) just wait a second Anna while i compose myself, there thats fresher, now where was i…..oh that’s right, give your arse the biggest slapping it’s ever had (wicked thoughts, wicked thoughts, wicked aaaahhhhhhhhh hear hhh we hhhhh go hhhhhhh again hhhhhhhhh).
All i can say Anna is look out, if i spot your provocative posts again “you can be assured that i will be the first to climax, i mean respond, in “quick” fashion.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:28 am
The time is near for the return of Liberty and Justice to the United States of America. We the People are awakening to the totalitarian tip-toe that stalks this nation’s psyche. In the spirit of the U.S. Constitution, the proletariats are rising up to rain down Holy Justice upon the viral elitism that seeks to enslave us.
We will persist in exposing tyranny, with the ghosts of Martin Luther King Jr., Mahatma Gandhi, Jesus Christ, John Lennon, Socrates, Thomas Jefferson, et al inspiring our collective unconscious fearlessly towards victory.
Rise, Liberty Phoenix, now is your time!
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:34 am
Aussie that is great. I see Anna that way too. Except I was thinking more along these lines.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....hewolf.jpg
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:36 am
The Ghost of Tom Joad.
Your words are enough to not only make me rise up, but also the souls of millions of missjudged justice seekers, from time immortal.
Inspiring stuff!!!
It’s roused up the fire in me, i think i’ll slip over to the neighbours, sneak up behind him and……….no i best wait, don’t want to rush it, i need to be certain he’s a Globalist. – (do not, i repeat, do not try this scenario out in your neighborhood, it is nothing more than the fictional ramblings of a manic)
All silly stuff aside, thanks Ghost. “i’ve always been with you & your fellow, patriotic Americans”
If i was to rise up anymore, i could be a danger to low flying pelicans!!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
The closest thing we have to actual photo of anna, or should I say ilsa.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi.....hewolf.jpg
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:33 am
It is true that property damage is useless as a message. Maybe they should sign themselves “ELF”. All it will do is make a bunch of regularly good people look bad…and bring the rest down with them, no matter who’s pulling it off.
The forefathers of the US would agree that perhaps blood would need to be spilled time and again to preserve liberty and justice…and would agree that there was a time and a place, and the DNC would not be one of them I think, not unless you form a rebel army and capture the city and declare war of the Feds.
Now that would be something…
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
How convenient that Rush Idea of the riots in Denver would come true. I believe that if these actions take place they will set all freedom fighters as terrorist. The problem that they did not include we are change, my guess, is because I think they fight for more than what is needed. They fight for transsexual rights and such. I read there site and it seemed they believe in ALL equality. I think this is wrong and to be honest, I believe when we justify one sin or common law we make the bigger laws easier to break.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
The Ghost of Tom Joad Says:
The closest thing we have to actual photo of anna, or should I say ilsa.
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I agree wholeheartedly Tom.
The scary thing is when you really look at it, you are seeing the “upper echelon female Globalist”. in “it’s” exposed state, cause it sure ain’t Mary Poppins in drag!!!
Just try and form the thought that you’d lay your whip on me bitch (all over red rover…….next )
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:43 am
I Concur with AJ about the energy non crisis, however, I disagree with him on federal reserve notes being the only currency that is suffering since 1999 when the Euro was $.85 cents to the dollar
the Swiss Franc has lost equally to the Euro.
Even though at todays exchange rates the Euro is within 57 cents of the Dollar, all the currency s of the world are within 65 cents of each other since then.
Yet on the other hand oil has increased by over $110 Dollars per barrel . So realistically all the currencies of the world are suffering compared to the increase in the price of a barrel of oil.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Didn’t the FBI already use this ploy like 30 years ago?
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:53 pm
@REEFERKEEFER
What Bible are you reading? Cite chapter and verse please liar.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
It would be a logical fallacy to self reference a book when the subject is the veracity of the information in that very book dude.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:49 pm
well said evil intent,they need to open there own eyes to see the truth before them,they for too long have been looking to others for the truth and in turn they have given up their own ability to see past the veil of diceit and lies,I MAKE MY OWN ASSUMPTION BASED ON YEARS OF RESEARCH AND NO ONE BOOK WILL EVER COMPILE THIS INFO, THAT YOU SO DESPAIRATLY NEED,ONLY TIME WILL TELL,who lies,and i dont lie
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:50 pm
i may be wrong but so are you untill proven other wise
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
I believe the best answer for the Globalists is not to kill them, repeat, not to kill them (otherwise we are no better than them). Round them all up, and take from them, that which they “are taking” from us “FREEDOM”. Put em all in a massive Guantanamo like facility, until their dying day.
Then sort out the Legal System.
Pre Globalisation:-
Get burnt by a cup of coffee, sue for millions & win, resulting in warning on cups “Caution contents Hot”
Post Globalisation:-
Get burnt by a cup of coffee, contact lawyer to instigate lawsuit, lawyer makes phone call (as per new law), lawyer keeps complainents hopes up for 30 minutes, at which time, as a result of earlier phone call, 2 men in white coats appear and proceed to escort this delusional woman, to the sunnyside sanctuary for the laughably insane. A sentence of no more than that decided by the inmates, shall be carried out.
Any person or persons found to be woefully attempting similar scenarios, to pervert the course of “common sense”, shall find themselves a new resident of sunnyside sanctuary, facing the sentencing decision of fellow inmates.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 pm
and if you dont have an I.Q. over our presidents I.Q. that means i could be giving you a load o s--- and how would you know the difference if you dont see for your self,kinda like what your preacher or pastor is doing to you right now,SHEEOPLE#88 shastapatriot get a clue
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:44 pm
jesus is coming, jesus is coming,plz,stop crying wolf,it does no good to do this,REVALATION is coming in the form of humanities evil intentions towards other humans,its called WAR and WAR will always be here to destroy us.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:58 pm
the bilderberger global terror is making huge strides,only this week the fascist leadership in Italy has passed a law to fingerprint all romany gypsies-including children! this is vile hitlerite behavour. they try to excuse it by saying that gypsies steal–therefore criminalising and de-humanising them all in one go. racism/fascism not only creeps, it’s got its running shoes on–time for real action,not just talk. val cardwell.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:04 pm
#95
Good post & summary Val.
I can’t help but think these Globalists, have got an i’ll wind waiting in the wings.
Their Plan is decades in the making, they now have no fear whatsoever “openly exposing themselves”, and carrying out said plan.
Take care Val & all the best.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
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REEFERKEEFER Says:
July 2nd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
“jesus is a false messiah,god is god,and has NO NAME,its in the bible ,dumb dumbs,#38,and god wants us to prepare and fight,or we will have to be slaves for the beast.get out htere and fight”
So I asked you what Bible are you reading and cite chapter and verse please because I can’t find the part about Jesus being a false messiah?
July 4th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
The whole Jesus thing is just a farce. When are you religious nuts going to realise that Jesus is just a representation of the sun(son). All religions are just duplicates of the same story. Christianity has it’s roots in Pagan beliefs. Christmas was an ancient Pagan tradition long before christianity even arrived on the scene. By believing that a ‘Saviour’ is going to come and save us, all you are doing is making up an excuse to sit back and do nothing. Watch a film called Zeigeist, it explains what is going on. If you believe in good and evil and evil is deception and lies then good is exposing those lies and telling the truth. Religion is just a form of mass mind control or slavery. You can believe that pigs have wings but that doesn’t mean it’s true. We can only stop Armageddon by educating ourselves and exposing the truth. Ignorant is what the the psychos that rule us want us to be by teaching us nothing in schools and enslaving us with religious dogma so that they can control and have power over us. Jesus is the sun or son and december 25 is the day that the son died. Ignorance and belief in religious dogma is what keeps us in the dark and brings about our destruction. Keep spreading the truth and educating yourself and others.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Religious people have all been duped by a bunch of Sun(son of God) worshipping Pagans. In ancient Egypt Horus was the sun god and Set was the god of darkness, his enemy. When the sun goes down and it gets dark, it is said that Set the god of darkness triumphs over Horus the sun god. Jesus is just another version of Horus and so is Buddha, Mohammad and all the other reigious icons. We are only going to keep things as they have always been by continuing to be ignorant and believing all these religious myths. The last thing that the sun worshipping, Pagan, elite criminals want is the slaves to be educated and informed because then they cannot rule over and control us all. Religion imprisons your mind and keeps it in a box stopping you from becoming free. The Sun of God ain’t gonna save us, o.k? Only you can do that. By the way, it’s my birth day today, i’m 35!!!!
July 4th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
IGNORANCE=FEAR=BELIEF IN LIES, RELIGIONS ETC=BEING RULED BY CRIMINAL, PSYCHOPATHIC ELITES=SLAVERY AND BONDAGE=HOLDING BACK PROGRESS.
EDUCATION=FREEDOM=LOVE.
DON’T BELIEVE THE BULLs--- YOUR LEADERS TRY TO FILL YOUR HEADS UP WITH. EDUCATE YOURSELVES SO THAT YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WHAT IS TRUE AND WHAT IS NOT. FOLLOW YOUR HEART AND YOUR INSTINCTS, THEY NEVER LIE TO YOU. THE CRIMINAL ELITE RULE YOU BECAUSE THEY KNOW HOW TO f--- WITH YOUR HEAD.
July 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
I couldnt help but notice that “Starhawk” [aka Miriam Spiros] figured prominently in the DNA of the Unconventional Action Network site. Is she their mentor? A paid field operative?