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‘Public’ online spaces don’t carry speech, rights
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ANICK JESDANUN
Associated Press
July 7, 2008
Rant all you want in a public park. A police officer generally won’t eject you for your remarks alone, however unpopular or provocative.
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Say it on the Internet, and you’ll find that free speech and other constitutional rights are anything but guaranteed.
Companies in charge of seemingly public spaces online wipe out content that’s controversial but otherwise legal. Service providers write their own rules for users worldwide and set foreign policy when they cooperate with regimes like China. They serve as prosecutor, judge and jury in handling disputes behind closed doors.
The governmental role that companies play online is taking on greater importance as their services – from online hangouts to virtual repositories of photos and video – become more central to public discourse around the world. It’s a fallout of the Internet’s market-driven growth, but possible remedies, including government regulation, can be worse than the symptoms.
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July 7th, 2008 at 10:14 am
Doesn’t surprise me. I got kicked off digg for posting several stories linked backed to infowars.com and other sites, as well as being VERY critical of digg.com. I eventually got back in but my posting habits have not changed…in fact, I like to climb up digg.com’s ass and set up housekeeping every chance I get. I am wondering just how much I repost over and over again of digg.com getting CIA seed money (along with google) and the owners of the tech companies (and getting photographed) at Bilderberg, etc.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:15 am
It’s kind of like when Bush was blowing hot air (giving a speech) on the 4th and some folks stood up and called him out.
He was snickering saying “We support free speech in America…HE HE HE…” While the hecklers were ‘forcibly’ dragged away.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:16 am
the reason for this is because too much anti-government info can spread quickly on the internet. they don’t want the truth flying around the net too quickly…
July 7th, 2008 at 10:26 am
This is how government will eventually take away all our rights. Privatize everything, and then they can use the old argument that the constitution only applies when dealing with the government, and if you are on private property you have no rights. And when everything becomes private, no more public areas, then we will have no rights according to this argument.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am
I understand and appreciate what many of you are saying, and agree that it is imperative we do not take the first shot, nor draw first blood, however, after 35 years of service with over half of it in combat or advisory capacity, I understand how important it is “they” know we are serious and DARE them to cross the line, to take the first shot, to draw first blood!
Therefore I say:
WAKE UP AMERICA!
RISE UP, MY PATRIOT BROTHERS AND SISTERS!
PREPARE YOUR FAMILIES, TO SURVIVE!
PREPARE YOURSELVES, TO FIGHT!
TYRANNY HAS BEEN COMMITED AGAINST OUR LAND!
CORRUPT POLITICIANS, CORPORATIONS AND BANKERS HAVE INVADED OUR HIGHEST OFFICES!
ONLY THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS AND TYRANTS WILL CLEANSE IT!
IT IS TIME THAT “WE THE PEOPLE” TAKE A STAND!
WITH THE “CONSTITUTION” AND A GUN IN OUR HAND!
THE “BILL OF RIGHTS” BRANDED IN OUR MINDS!
AND THE WORDS OF THE LIVING GOD EMBLAZEND IN OUR HEARTS!
HOO-YAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.theamericanvoice.com
July 7th, 2008 at 11:26 am
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July 7th, 2008 at 11:29 am
freedom of the press is limited to those who own a press. you cant expect someone else to protect your rights and you cant guarantee anyone will read anything you write. this is okay.
July 7th, 2008 at 11:36 am
What gets me is that they hide behind children to pass stupid laws. We’re adults living in an adult world. The kids live in an adult world, not the other way around. Most kids these days ain’t stupid and they talk grown up just like the rest of us. The days are over when a kid can be a kid till he/she is 18 yrs old. They know what the hell is going on, and if they don’t they catch on quick. All this shit is is cencorship, plain and simple.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Obama May Be Illegal To Be Elected President! Confirmed on SNOPES
This came from a USNA alumnus. It’ll be
interesting to see how the media handle this…
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Barack Obama is not a legal U.S. natural-born
citizen according to the law on the books at the time of his birth,
which falls between December 24, 1952, to November 13, 1986. Federal Law
requires that the office of President requires a natural-born citizen if
the child was not born to two U.S. Citizen parents. This is what exempts
John McCain, though he was born in the US Panama Canal Zone.
US Law very clearly states: ‘. . . If only one
parent is a U.S. Citizen at the time of one’s birth, that parent must
have resided in the United States for minimum ten years, five of which
must be after the age of 16.’ Barack Obama’s father was not a U.S.
Citizen is a fact.
Obama’s mother was only 18 when Obama was born.
This means even though she had been a U.S. Citizen for 10 years, (or
citizen of Hawaii being a territory), his mother fails the test for
at-least-5-years- prior-to Barack Obama’s birth, but-after-age-16.
In essence, Mother alone is not old enough to
qualify her son for automatic U.S. Citizenship. At most, 2 years elapsed
from his mother turning 16 to the time of Barack Obama’s birth when she
was 18. His mother would have needed to have been 16 + 5 = 21 years old
at the time of Barack Obama’s birth for him to be a natural-born
citizen. Barack Obama was already 3 years old at the time his mother
would have needed to be to allow him natural citizenship from his only
U.S. Citizen parent. Obama should have been naturalized as a citize n .
. . but that would disqualify him from holding the office.
The Constitution clearly declares:
Naturalized citizens are ineligible to hold the office of President.
Though Barack Obama was sent back to Hawaii at age 10, any other
information does not matter because his mother is the one who must
fulfill the requirement to be a U.S. Citzen for 10 years prior to his
birth on August 4, 1961, with 5 of those years being after age 16.
Further, Obama may have had to have remained in
the USA for some time frame to protect any citizenship he might have
had, rather than living in Indonesia. This is very clear cut and a
glaring violation of U.S. Election law. I think the Governor
Schwarzenegger of California should be very interested in discovering if
Obama is allowed to be elected President without being a natural-born
U.S. Citizen, since this would set a precedent. Stay tuned to your TV
sets because I suspect some of this information will be leaking through
over the next several days.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I have been being censored by this web site!!! I have tried to contact them about it but have received no reponse. I am beginning to question ALex and why he is not reporting on the fact that Bush signed an executive order placing this country in a state of emergency on 6/26/2008?? I have tried repeatedly to put a link to the EO but was censored everytime?? Why are you failing to report this Alex?
July 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Police officers and other govt employees are infiltraiting internet forums and volunteering as moderators, who then personally attack any member who tells Truth on any topic, censor posts and ban members who refuse to cow down, which then terrorizes other members. I’ve been banned on many motorcycle forums, but the cop trolls are never banned. Here’s the latest post that got me banned by a cop wearing a Nazi German helmet as his avatar:
http://www.sportbikes.net/foru.....ost3615463
Comcast, ATT and Dreamhost banned and cnesored all my email, cancelled my ISP and deleted my website for sending an email with a mainline news article from inforwars.com. Yahoo has deleted many of my Truth websites. Youtube has deleted several of my accounts, with up to 100 videos each. It’s an infowar out there! Just keep bouncing back with new accounts.
To bypass the internet censors, we need more FM radio Truth, so start your own 1,000-watt pirate FM station 24/7 in major cities, or buy your own licensed station if you have the money and business skills. Start your own weekly cable access TV Truth show, and we need 100 TV Truth shows in each major city.
July 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Our culture has ALWAYS been conditioned to surrender our liberties if it will “protect the children”. I remember as soon as the Democrats took control of Con-gress in 2006, fake-liberal warmonger Nancy Boy Pelosi stood behind a group of impressionable children as if the cunt said “we took back Congress for the kids”. No, you dried up old cunt, we all know that your party and the Republican party are all bought off by the EXACT same corporate pigs. I’m so sick of these Demonrats and Repugnicunts using our genuine concerns as a way to enslave us.
Demonrats hide behind the children.
Repugnicunts hide behind the Bible.
The Demonrats and Repugnicunts BOTH attacked us on 9/11. The Demonrats and Repugnicunts BOTH attacked us in Oklahoma City. The Demonrats and Repugnicunts KNEW IN ADVANCE of Pearl Harbor. The Demonrats and Repugnicunts are BOTH CRIMINAL, MURDERING SATANIC POND SCUM!
July 7th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
I’m curious. Have any of you knee-jerk radical rantophiles bothered to read and try to understand the whole article? I’ll give you two quick realities …. the Constitution is designed to protect us from government, not from private organizations, businesses or any other such private entity. This is still the United States of America and private individuals and the companies they create have freedoms — including the freedom to dis-include idiots, foul mouthed a**holes, and other such miscreants.
If you’ve got a beef about a private company or individual … sue them. That’s what our civil laws are for.
July 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
The author said the magic words right in his essay: “seemingly public spaces online “. Cyberspace may seem like it’s public property, but it’s not. Everything about the internet must be invented, built, and maintained, and that makes it private property. I’ve said this many times before, and I’ll keep on saying it because some people still don’t get it. The first amendment prohibits CONGRESS AND ONLY CONGRESS from infringing on our free speech, it says nothing about everyone else. Unless Yahoo and Google and Myspace suddenly transformed into the Congress last night, the first amendment has nothing to do with them. However, private property rights have everything to do with them because the computers and software which makes up their web sites are their private property.
July 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
#4, the fact that the Bill of Rights limits only Congress from passing certain laws in no way makes you less free. Quite the opposite is true. The right of a private person to do what he pleases with his own personal property is one of the foundational principles of the United States. If the internet were declared to be “public property” then what would become of the people who started (and own) all the profitable web sites which make it such an interesting place? What would become of the hard work, money, and financial risk they took in creating those sites? They would simple be stolen that’s what. Taking something like a web site, some of which are full blown companies, and simply declaring that they now belong to “the people” is stealing. In fact, it’s exactly what the communist countries of the last century did to their people, and you can see how miserably those countries failed. Like it or not, every web site belongs to someone, and that someone is the only person who gets to decide what does and doesn’t go on that site. If you have something you want to say and nobody let’s you post, then start up your own web site and post your thoughts there. That’s the American way of doing things. Stealing somebody else’s hard work and property is what thieves third world dictators do.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
The Bill of Rights is aimed at Congress. For all the rest of us you should be looking at things like your State Constitution, your State Laws, and most of all the Uniform Commercial Code. That’s where you’ll find the laws which say what individual people can do with their own property. If you’re worried about everything becoming private and then not being able to cite the U.S Constitution for relief, then you didn’t pay any attention in High School Government class, you haven’t read the Constitution and you don’t know what it’s for. The Bill of Rights itself says that all rights not specifically delegated to the Federal Government are retained by the States and by the People. In case you haven’t figured it out, that means private property rights. Nobody should be afraid of private property or private property rights. Those are what made America what it is today. Public property is for commies and losers who can’t make it on their own.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Infowars does not grant “speech” rights either. I used to be skeptical of the people who posted here saying their posts were blocked or edited. I still don’t believe the latter, but the former is in fact true. I myself posted a number of things, all of which were blocked, and have confirmed it by posting other things since then. Numerous comments can’t be reposted, because of the duplicate post message, and yet they are nowhere to be seen. Comments that came after them, chronologically and numerically, were posted…but the ones I submitted are mysteriously absent.
Fuck it, as an act of revenge I will simply use a different IP and copy-paste as much as I can into every single article, like the wackjob pretend-Christians do (and they get away with it). Considering how much garbage gets through, they do a really fucking sloppy hackjob of blocking posts, but it is indeed happening. It seems that these boards are not here for free exchange, but to promote viewpoints that the web staff agrees with, even though they are incompetent or incredibly lazy or both.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
YOU’RE NOT GOING TO USE YOUR FREEDOMS ANYWAY. BESIDES, ALL OF YOU INFOWARRIORS HAVE NOTHING INTELLIGENT TO SAY….YOU IDIOTS
July 7th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
JASMINE? wanna give me a blowjob! make that mouth of yours do something positive!
July 7th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
JASMINE? wanna give me a blow,job! make that mouth of yours do something positive!
July 8th, 2008 at 11:47 am
In a world where virtually all space or cyberspace will be privately owned free speech rights disappear. This has been known for years–just try handing out materials in a store parking lot.
Try exercising speech rights as an employee–you’ll find out how little you can say before you lose your job.
Try exercising speech rights as a customer–you’ll find out the meaning of “right to refuse service.”
July 8th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
Thats why we must hit the globalist with everything including the kitchen sink!! Hit them now and hit them very hard and have God to help us to expose these evil monsters of murders and genocides and slavery!! BUT DON’T TAKE THEIR DRACONIAN ZOMBIE MAKING BEAST CHIP and get God on your side in your fight for freedom!!