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Russia Prepares for Naval Blockade of Georgia
Kommersant
August 9, 2008
Ships are grouping in the Black Sea near the Georgian aquatic border. A unnamed naval source has said that the move is necessary to prevent arms deliveries to Georgia by sea. He added that the naval blockade of Georgia will help avoid escalation of military actions in Abkhazia. Radio station Echo of Moscow reports that several Georgian Internet publications have confirmed that the Russian Black Sea fleet is regrouping.
Witnesses say that several Georgian military vessels attempted to approach the coast of Abkhazia. The Interfax correspondent in Sukhumi reports that the Georgian attempt was countered by the Russian Black Sea Fleet, which opened preventative fire. The Interfax information was confirmed by enforcement bodies in Abkhazia.
Apparently, after Georgian forces were repulsed from Tskhinvali, air connections with Georgian were broken and Georgian military activity was suppressed and Russia began economic suppression.
Georgia in the meantime is accusing Russia of attempting to blow up the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline. Georgian Minister of Economic Development Ekaterina Sharashidze stated that Russian Air Force planes attacked the pipeline, but missed their target. “That makes it clear that the targets of the Russian military were not only Georgian economic objects, but international objects on Georgian territory,” she said. Reports were received throughout the day that Russian military planes struck targets in Georgia, however, they were military, not economic.
The Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline runs a total of 1768 km., of which 443 km. stretches through Azerbaijan, 249 km. through Georgia and 1076 km. through Turkey. Construction of the pipeline began in 2003 and it began to pump oil on May 18, 2005. About 1 million barrels of oil per year are pumped through the pipeline. Construction of the pipeline cost $4 billion, not counting the filling of the pipeline, financial servicing or interest costs. The shareholders in the pipeline are BP (30,1%), AzBTC (25%), Chevron (8,9%), StatoilHydro (8,71%), ТРАО (6,53%), ENI (5%), Total (5%), Itochu (3,4%), Inpex (2,5%), ConocoPhillips (2,5%) and Hess (2,36%).
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August 9th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Have noticed how all people who have taken momentary charge of the world base themselves on war? All people of this type, those whose well-being depends on the ill-being of others, all dictators, ground themselves on war. It shows how man’s level of being attracts war and how the disease of war is in man, and due to his own state. Since man’s level of being is as it is, then everything will go in the only possible way in which it can go at that level, and no one will be able to anything. Everything is being done in the only way it can be done.
People do not comprehend how they are governed by changing events, imagining that they are always free. They say in times of peace that they will never under any circumstances go to war again. Yet, when a new war starts they always justify themselves and explain why they must do as they do—that is, as they cannot help doing.
War is an event which drags millions of people into its vortex whether they wish it or not. People, however, imagine that they are free. All man’s life is based on the idea that he is free to choose. If a man could see clearly that he is mechanical, that is, that he is not free, he would not be able to endure the realization.
Before war occurs, it is quite easy to think that one is free from it. But when the event comes, the case is different. It is almost as if the war tries to drag as many people as possible into its range and “feed” on them. People forget what they thought. The war attracts them into its sphere of influence. By means of self-justifying, they enter the event and pass under its power. A man may decide that he will never fight again in any war. He is sure he will not. But when the drums begin to beat, when the horrors and madness of war start and he see them or reads about them, he forgets all his resolutions.
War is a collective event, that is, an event implicating nations or a single nation, involved in war or revolution. Man does not see that his own level of being attracts the repeating cycle of war into his life. Because man—who has been formed by life—man who is so deeply asleep and unconscious of his true nature, the influences of war simply act upon him mechanically…it just happens! If men were awake, war could not happen.
All war is equally ridiculous and equally criminal!
If one thing could be different everything could be different. And then, perhaps, there would have been no war. Everything is dependent on everything else, everything is connected, and nothing is separate. Therefore, everything is going in the only way it can go. If people were different everything would be different. They are what they are, so everything is as it is.
Everything happens on Earth as it does because man is asleep, and everything happens in the only way it can. Millions kill each other, suffer incredible misery and so on, because they cannot help it, and it all leads no where, and can lead nowhere. The direction that can lead somewhere is for man to awaken from his deep sleep. Awakening is the individual task of everyone. If a few begin to awaken, the effect spreads and others begin to understand that war is not the answer. You must not adapt to war. To adapt to war is to go to sleep in regard to war.
Everything based on violence can only create violence. There is not a single school of real teaching that teaches violence. Man—natural man—is based on violence and that is why he continually attracts war to himself in every generation. It must be remembered that it is the level of man’s being that attracts war! If man’s being does not change, wars will never end. It is every man’s—and collective humanity’s—inner state that manifests either good or evil, either war or peace. Man must overcome violence in himself. This is a very great issue, and a man must first of all study identifying in himself to its roots before he can understand what the overcoming of violence in himself means.
War exists because man is based on violence. If he receives influences he does not know how to use and does not understand owing to his defective and undeveloped apparatus of reception, he cannot deal with them, and so they pass into irritation, anger or violence. Man is thus like a bad transmitter. He is “evil” because he transmits badly. If a man begins to deal with the small cycle of recurring events in his personal life more consciously and does not identify with some of them, he begins to be able to transform his life on a small scale. He transmits a little better and begins to be a little freer from the machinery of life—of the “turning wheels” surrounding him. If everyone did this, man would not so easily bring mankind to war, and people could then resist war.
When war comes, people find reasons for it and consent to it and feel almost as if they were willingly taking part in it. Whereas war, as a vast collective event, a vortex, has grasped them into its powerful influence and made them take part in it. But if necessity imposes itself on a man in respect to war, even then he does not have to serve his lower nature, which is based on violence. He need not serve his lower nature if he does not identify with what he thinks he has to do and must do as regards war. But if he feels going to war is a fine thing to do he will identify with his lower nature and even go so far as to wish for rewards for his “meritorious actions.” To practice non-identifying can lead somewhere; to serve ones lower nature leads nowhere.
Man is not properly conscious and thus brings war upon himself. The normal state of consciousness in which most people go about, talk, write, plan, make love and so on is a state of hypnotic sleep. In this state of sleep, everything happens in the only way it can happen. Wars start and no one can stop them and people kill each other without wishing to, but because they have to. And a thousand and one other things happen, which no one wishes, but which inevitably happen just because everyone is asleep. People do not guess that this is the real explanation of why life on this Earth is as it is. That is, they do not possess the idea that man is asleep and do not think from it, but think instead from the ideas that man is awake and fully conscious. They think wars take place because of certain people in the background and cannot understand that they take place because everyone is in a state of hypnotic sleep which cannot be thrown off save by direct help from those who have awakened and left behind them ideas to think from and instructions to follow. The idea of man being asleep is an utterly different idea from any of the ordinary ideas we have about life. To think from it is to think in an utterly new way. Have you begun to think from this idea—both as regards life, other people and especially as regards you own self? Do you comprehend, through self-observation, that you yourself are also asleep?
Now, listen carefully. It is man and his level of being that is the cause of war, and as long as man does not try to awaken and develop himself, war will inevitably continue, that is, man will continue to attract war to himself. If we were all more conscious, then war would cease. But this is impossible. It is impossible for everyone to be more conscious. It is a matter of the greatest difficulty for even one person to become more conscious. Man is created a self-developing being, that is, we can work or ourselves and we can change our being—individually. If we all changed, wars would case. And, if we are all created as self-developing beings and make no attempt to use this freedom, why blame God for not intervening?
August 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
well Jim #1??? God is Love but God is just also,,,,He warns of and has prophesied thru-out history that the wages of sin is war. In Matthew 24 he speaks through His only begotten Son,,of end times, and what will happen when evil has its hour! God will have His day!!!! and these days we live in are what God himself spoke of. Its happening and as i recall it,,,Jesus said these things I say unto you must happen to fulfill Scripture. So in essence God is intervening,, He is punishing the world for its love of sin. homosexuality,,,lesbianism,,,and the percentage grows of married couples who practice in the bounds of their marriages ,,the act of sodomy!!! these are only the acts (sins) against the 6th and 9th commandments of God,,,and then theres the other 8 commandments,,,,,how bout false Gods??? shall i go on?? and this is only a few of the commandments!!! this is exactly why there is wars and rumors of wars!! man uses his free will and chooses to sin,,,,,remember a sinner is one who loves sin,,,,i’m not refferring to one who sins occassionally because of human nature and is sorry,,,,even the saved sin from time to time,,,but its the heart of man and its intent,,,the world lacks severely in self control,,,,and this the batttle of the devil the father of lies against the flesh,,,that rages on until God says enough!!!! God bless us all in our love of freedom,,,His Holy Will be done,,,on earth as it is in Heaven,,,amen.
August 9th, 2008 at 7:10 pm
9/11 was only the tip of the iceberg! From documentary filmmaker William Lewis comes a bone chilling documentary on the spying, tracking and control of the American public. Watch One Nation Under Siege Documentary at http://www.documentarywire.com.....nder-siege
Peace
August 9th, 2008 at 8:22 pm
Before the war in Russia was widely reported,
I read this report dated August 7th 2008.
Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
http://europebusines.blogspot......-iran.html
The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:32 pm
Religious nuts elected G.W.B, so maybe more nuttiness in the name of Yaweh will solve all our problems. The definition of insanity is trying the same thing in the same way an expecting a different result. I’ve read the words of Jesus, and he’s saying pretty much the same thing as Buddha, and people like Gandhi and Tolstoy picked up pretty much the same message at later dates. Jesus says, by their fruits you will know them. Well, you sure are a bunch of fruits. If you need a holy book to love your neighbor or know God, I pity you.
August 9th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
It looks like Georgia will be re-absorbed back into Russia unless they’re very, very careful. I’m also wondering when the msm will inform everybody that the armada is on its way to Iran, and how they’re gonna down play it.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
Oh they are going to “reabsorbed” alright,lol.Im supprised the capital,Tblisi hasn’t been vaporised yet.Listen kids,this is Putin we are talking about here ok,this isint some drunken baffoon Yeltsin,this is Putin,the guy who hexigen bombs his own people for power ok,what do you think hes going to to to these usefull idiots of the neocons in Georgia,ill tell you what he going to do,hes going to give them the Chechnya treatment ok,and if NATO gets in the way ,then f--- them too,thats what hes going to say and do,watch.
August 9th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
so a major pipeline is in danger and supposedly even fired upon, but oil goes down?
“…the targets of the Russian military were not only Georgian economic objects, but INTERNATIONAL objects on Georgian territory,” — Regardless of the truth of this statement, the international community is being drawn into this conflict.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:52 am
God(the Universal Creative force) is always intervening. We’re just too proud, dis-believing and arrogant to read the signs. That is why we get into one tyranical government after another. When we believe more in government than we do the universal Creator, this is what we get. I speak not of that false god fed us by dis-organized religion, rather the power, force and energy of the universe responsible for so much as a blade of grass that grows and dies; the force behind the rising and setting of the sun and the perception we have of appreciating such an event, the same energy that causes the seasons to change and the wind and cold and hurricanes and the very beating of our hearts and the energy that carries our thoughts and feelings and grants us breath and the cries of a newborn baby……… this Creator. Poor, ignorant man. How little too many of us appreciate until its too late. Stay strong citizens in your spirit and hold to your faith. We live in a time that will challenge every belief we hold, be it right or wrong. This is Revelation. All lies will burn under the light of truth, and all that was hidden in the dark will be revealed. Those not equipped in their spirit and not consciously and spiritually attuned to the creative force of the universe will be lost. I pray for us all!
August 10th, 2008 at 1:20 am
In former soviet union YOU see everything on internet! In soviet america internet sees everything on YOU!
August 10th, 2008 at 2:03 am
August 8 2008 Friday, Dmitry Medvedev made a statement on the situation in South Ossetia. At a meeting with the permanent members of the Russian Security Council, the President declared: “Russia has maintained and continues to maintain a presence on Georgian territory on an absolutely lawful basis, carrying out its peacekeeping mission in accordance with the agreements concluded. We have always considered maintaining the peace to be our paramount task. Russia has historically been a guarantor for the security of the peoples of the Caucasus, and this remains true today. Last night, Georgian troops committed what amounts to an act of aggression against Russian peacekeepers and the civilian population in South Ossetia. What took place is a gross violation of international law and of the mandates that the international community gave Russia as a partner in the peace process. Georgia’s acts have caused loss of life, including among Russian peacekeepers. The situation reached the point where Georgian peacekeepers opened fire on the Russian peacekeepers with whom they are supposed to work together to carry out their mission of maintaining peace in this region. Civilians, women, children and old people, are dying today in South Ossetia, and the majority of them are citizens of the Russian Federation. In accordance with the Constitution and the federal laws, as President of the Russian Federation it is my duty to protect the lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they may be. It is these circumstances that dictate the steps we will take now. We will not allow the deaths of our fellow citizens to go unpunished. The perpetrators will receive the punishment they deserve.”
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August 9 2008 Saturday, The head of state held a meeting on providing humanitarian assistance to the population of South Ossetia. The President stated that those responsible for the humanitarian catastrophe in South Ossetia should be brought to justice, including before international law. As the head of state emphasized, our task consists in helping overcome the effects of a humanitarian catastrophe in the conflict zone. The President instructed the government cabinet and, in particular, the Emergency Situations Ministry, the Health and Social Development Ministry, and the Federal Migration Service to take all necessary measures to provide prompt humanitarian assistance to the civilian population of South Ossetia. The meeting’s participants reported on the measures already taken and put forward proposals on how to resolve the existing problems in the conflict zone. According to Sergei Sobyanin, over the past one and a half days more than thirty thousand people have crossed the border of South Ossetia into Russia. The regions of Russia’s Southern Federal District are providing assistance to them. Humanitarian goods are being delivered to the Russian regions that border on South Ossetia. The meeting was attended by Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Sobyanin, head of Emergency Situations Ministry Sergei Shoigu, Health and Social Development Minister Tatyana Golikova, as well as Federal Migration Service Director Konstantin Romodanovsky. Russia is guided by a single concern, the immediate challenge of ending the violence in South Ossetia, protecting the civilian population, the majority of which are Russian citizens, and the prompt restoration of peace. Dmitry Medvedev gave his fundamental assessment of the situation in South Ossetia in a telephone conversation with President of the United States George W. Bush. In the conversation it was stressed that the Georgian side had taken aggressive action against civilians and Russian peacekeepers. The consequences of the barbaric acts planned and implemented by the Georgian leadership are enormous: more than a thousand casualties, tens of thousands of refugees, mass destruction and what amounts to flouting the right for life of an entire people. Russia is guided in these circumstances by a single concern, the immediate challenge of ending the violence, protecting the civilian population, the majority of which are Russian citizens, and the prompt restoration of peace. Within the framework of its peacekeeping mission and in accordance with the mandate given by the international community, Russia will resolve the problem of forcing the Georgian side to accept peace and of protecting the lives and dignity of its citizens, as required by the Constitution, the laws of the Russian Federation and the rules of any civilized country. The President of Russia stressed that the only way out of the tragic crisis initiated by the Georgian leadership in Tbilisi is the withdrawal of its armed forces from the conflict zone, the return to the process of peace agreements and, most importantly, the signing of a legally binding agreement abjuring the use of force. The President expressed his hope that the U.S. and other countries interested in establishing stability and security in the Caucasus will act in a similar fashion.
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PRESIDENT OF RUSSIA DMITRY MEDVEDEV: In connection with the act of aggression committed by Georgia against the civilian population of South Ossetia and Russian peacekeepers, there are many complex humanitarian problems that we must deal with, in accordance with our mandate and simply in light of our duty as a nation. Today we must consider how to provide assistance to the civilian populations and to the wounded, including, of course, medical assistance, immigration issues, and think about how we can accommodate refugees. We also need to look at the way the situation develops in a comprehensive way, given that it is a very difficult one. And I would like to hear each of you report on what you have done and the suggestions you have on how to overcome existing humanitarian problems.
DEPUTY PRIME MINISTER SERGEI SOBYANIN: Dmitry Anatolyevich, in accordance with your orders yesterday to the government cabinet we have held several meetings to provide humanitarian assistance to victims in South Ossetia. We have organized two facilities: a central headquarters in the Emergencies Situations Ministry [ESM] and in Vladikavkaz, where the representatives of all relevant ministries, departments and regional authorities have assembled . Yesterday we sent the necessary supplies — I am referring to the fact that a hospital has been deployed by the ESM, to which we have sent the necessary medications and first aid. Virtually all regions are prepared to receive victims. Primarily, of course, these regions are located in the Southern Federal District, but today there are initiatives from Moscow, the Moscow region and other regions, and they have already started receiving refugees. In the past few days, as of the second or third [of August], more than twenty thousand people have made requests to the Federal Migration Service. Only in the past day and a half more than thirty thousand people have crossed the border. We really have a humanitarian catastrophe on our hands. All refugees who contact us receive due assistance and have been reserved a place in children’s camps, in places of temporary residence. Not one person has seen their request denied. I think that Sergei Kuzhugetovich [Shoigu] has more information to report.
EMERGENCY SITUATIONS MINISTER SERGEI SHOIGU: Today the situation is as follows. We have started to allocate people to temporary accommodation in the Southern Federal District. To date twelve regions have the capacity to accommodate three and a half thousand people and this work continues. I think that by the end of the day we will have the capacity to house ten thousand people in permanent accommodation. In addition, we have deployed tented accommodation for two million people near the border points. The situation is compounded by the fact that at present there is no water in Tskhinvali, in practice the water and sewage treatment plants have been destroyed. I am referring to those facilities used for treating water, drinking water. In light of this fact we are putting together a shipment for water purification. Given the lack of electricity, I think that today by 4 pm we will deliver generators to Vladikavkaz, and by the day to Tskhinvali. We have set ourselves the task to determine the power necessary to run the systems that support civilian life by 12 o’clock — I am referring to things such as medicine, water facilities again, and businesses engaged in baking bread. The hospital which said Sergey Semenovich [Sobyanin] mentioned has been deployed, set up, and is ready to receive victims of the fighting. There is a need for additional medications and doctors, but I think that Tatyana Alekseevna will better be able to talk about this. We can add to this the fact that already last night a substantial amount of food and disposable items were shipped off. By 4 pm today we will have brought together more than 100 tonnes of different cargoes and this work continues. If necessary, we are ready to double that figure in the course of the day.
DIRECTOR OF THE FEDERAL MIGRATION SERVICE KONSTANTIN ROMODANOVSKY: We have been working in a situation that is constantly deteriorating. We are in control of the situation and we are helping citizens, despite the fact that many come to us with virtually no documents – documents have been lost, gone missing, or been burned. Nevertheless, the migration service is providing assistance in this regard. We created infrastructure for migrants – there is a working group deployed in Vladikavkaz and in the centre as well. We are keeping track of the situation. Citizens are deployed in 10 so-called residence centres, namely schools and technical colleges. The majority are staying with relatives. The situation is under control and we continue to conduct our activities.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Are you ready for complications or any additional problems?
KONSTANTIN ROMODANOVSKY: We are ready.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Tatiana Alekseevna, what is happening with medication and other supplies?
HEALTH AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT MINISTER TATYANA GOLIKOVA: Dmitry Anatolyevich, in addition to the information that Sergei Kuzhugetovich [Shoigu] already reported, today literally by 12 o’clock a regular EMS plane, carrying 6 tonnes of cargo provided by our Russian Centre for Medical Disasters, Protection, will be dispatched: its cargo includes a hospital with 12 resuscitation places to be deployed and other supplies which have been calculated for about 10 days. The second plane will carry about another 15 tonnes of cargo: bandages, analgesics, suture materials and so on – everything that is needed, such as blankets. And the third plane will contain teams of doctors who will work on location. Furthermore, we have sent relevant professionals who can assist in organising medical care and providing social assistance, because it is not only the health Ministries of the republics of the Southern Federal District that are involved in this, there are also other bodies of social protection working on these issues. Indeed, we now have organised them all, and all the regions of the Russian Federation who are nearby are working on this, and providing necessary places to relocate people. As a rule, we have placed refugees in social institutions, in schools, and in kindergartens – in short, we are doing everything possible to ensure that people in this situation feel comfortable, if I may put it that way.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Our challenge now consists in helping overcome the consequences of this humanitarian catastrophe, and naturally on all those fronts that you just mentioned. And those responsible for the humanitarian catastrophe in South Ossetia should be brought to justice, including before international law.
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August 10, 2008 Gorki, Moscow Region
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Vladimir Vladimirovich, we agreed that the Government will take steps to address and deal with the consequences of Georgia’s aggression against South Ossetia. You have just come back from North Ossetia. I would like to hear your assessment of the situation there, the situation with refugees, the problems that have arisen as a result of this tragedy.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: I can tell you in detail what is being done to take in refugees and ensure that normal life continues in the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania. But first of all I’d like to share my impressions from meeting with the refugees. I have to say frankly that it has all left me with very sad feelings. For a start, these people have found themselves in a very difficult situation today. For the most part these are women, elderly people and children. They have seen more than enough tragedy and things are not easy for them now. But what caught my attention most of all is that what they spoke about, the episodes they recounted, go far beyond the normal limits of military operations. It seems to me that we are seeing elements of a kind of genocide against the Ossetian people. I think it would be the correct course of action, Dmitry Anatolyevich, for you to instruct the Military Prosecutor’s Office to document episodes of this type, all the more so as most of the population of South Ossetia are citizens of the Russian Federation. The things I heard about today from the refugees are clearly crimes against the civilian population. As I said, I think it would be right for the President to issue this instruction to the Military Prosecutor’s Office.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: I will issue this instruction of course. The prosecutors should indeed investigate all such cases. We are talking here about the fate of our citizens, for whom we are responsible. All crimes committed must therefore be documented as thoroughly as possible and analysed as thoroughly as possible right up to bringing criminal charges against the specific perpetrators of these acts.
VLADIMIR PUTIN: Dmitry Anatolyevich, as far as the humanitarian situation goes, I saw the work the Emergency Situations Ministry and the local services are doing. They have already set up a field hospital and have begun their work. Surgeons are already at work there and doctors are providing medical assistance. They are performing operations right there, in the field. A second field hospital is ready to be set up on South Ossetian territory, and this will go ahead as soon the situation allows, to provide assistance to the civilian population and the military personnel engaged in these military operations. But what is most worrying at the moment is the situation of civilians, who face very difficult circumstances now in Tskhinvali. The situation is difficult in South Ossetia in general but it is particularly serious in Tskhinvali. People there have sought refuge in basements. We spoke with South Ossetia just a few hours ago and learned that people have not been able to come out for several days now. They have no water. There is no water supply at all. They had one source of drinking water but it has broken down now. The only solution has been to have armoured vehicles bring water in. I can confirm the words you rightly used to describe this situation and say that it is indeed a humanitarian disaster in the most literal sense. But we are ready to provide large-scale assistance as soon as the necessary conditions are in place. Several tons of medicines have already been sent to the area and we are ready to deliver more, as much as is needed, if required. Most of the refugees have been taken in by relatives. Some of them are being housed in former pioneer camps, sanatoriums and schools. Incidentally, this is also a problem for North Ossetia, because school buildings need to be used for their proper purpose. The new school year will begin on September 1, which is not far off now. This situation places an added burden on the republic and the Government has therefore decided, as we agreed, to make additional funds totalling more than 500 million roubles available to the Republic of North Ossetia-Alania, including for dealing with the refugee situation. I spoke about this too when I met with the republic’s leadership. As for the situation in South Ossetia, the housing stock in Tskhinvali and the settlements along the border have ‘suffered damage’, to put it mildly. Practically everything has been destroyed. In order to help people return to their home towns and villages, we will therefore need to help them rebuild their homes and apartments. As we agreed, the Government has drawn up a programme in accordance. We first need to establish the scale of the destruction, though it is already clear that we are looking at colossal damage, but in this first stage – and we have already worked this through with the Finance Ministry – I think it possible to make at least 10 billion roubles available for reconstruction needs. We are ready to increase this sum if need be, but this would need to be based on a serious analysis of the real situation as far as reconstruction is concerned.
DMITRY MEDVEDEV: Let us take all the necessary decisions for this work.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:00 am
International law? Oh, those guys with the powdered wigs over there in Hague Netherlands, the European Union thats sending N.A.T.O troops and who knows what else to aid in the invasion of Iran, oops, I said it, I was’nt supposed to say that, ya know the Iran invasion thing, do think anyone noticed, oh it’s ok, the Sepo’s got their naval armadas on the way, and I emagine the boys and girls over at C.F.R are making pop-corn and get’n comfortable for the super-bowl graphics on FOX with their shill O’Riley at the helm of the reality machine. Oh yea, International law, International Law? wow, what a concept.
August 10th, 2008 at 4:41 am
check the link for russian tv (english):
http://wwitv.com/tv_channels/b1527.htm
August 10th, 2008 at 6:14 am
are russian government god loving or are they satanists?
im thinking of joining the red team
August 10th, 2008 at 6:37 am
This is looking more and more like the start of Vietnam all over /only this time we have a total fool as Prez. and he s playing with the big boys,witch he knows nothing about!! And little bush isn,t going to get his dam pipe line /so get your ball and go home L.B./for you know not what you do
August 10th, 2008 at 7:02 am
Maybebayby, this government IS the red team, the communists infiltrated and embedded themselves like parasites into every aspect of our churches, schools and every level of government to the top decades ago, red cocaine channels and their collusion with our trash mafia/CIA who are now one and the same.
You must understand that the government leaders, putin, that chinese runt and bush are in concert with the globalist trash…such as the bilderbergers, rothschildren, maurice strong and rockerfellers etc.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Hate to burst the bubble on this story, since it is speculation….
Russia says no plans to block Georgia oil port
http://uk.reuters.com/article/.....8420080810
August 10th, 2008 at 7:34 am
@14
I see only one team promoting clarity and principles: Rus.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Thanks for the info More. The military action by the Georgian regime is the worst sort of pre-meditated mass murder. They have run a total di-info campaign even to announce a cease fire before attacking civilians in the middle of the night.
The whole thing stinks of Isreali involvement. The fact that they have done this on the opening day of the Beijing olympics shows the cynically intention of the Georgian regime.
Russia should destroy the entire military capability of Georgia. Those who would use a military capability in such a criminal and evil fashion need to be totally disarmed and it’s entire leadership to be brought to international justice for mass murder and genocide.
Russia needs to make an example of the Georgian regime whilst at the same time catering with emergency services to help the Russian citizen victims of this appalling crime against humanity.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:57 am
@17 What bubble did you burst? That article only reinforces the article at hand. Not once did the current article express any attempt by Russia to stop oil at the port. It stated the attempt of Russia to damage the pipeline inland. The searching of the ships Reuters speaks of is exactly what this article expresses. What do you think they do when there is a blockade? They search ships looking for weapons and if they find weapons, that ship does not go to port. Hence a blockade. Maybe if they called it a naval check point your little mind could wrap around that.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:10 am
Why would the Russians set up an oil blockade? It would be much easier for them to blow up the pipelines and storage facilities in bombing raids.
Ristricting crude shipments out of Georgia will have little effect on the military capability of the Georgian forces in the short term. However, blocking re-supply and refined oil products into Georgia will have an effect.
August 10th, 2008 at 8:35 am
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http://www.cog-pkg.org
http://www.biblical-truth.com
August 10th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Russians take down the only remaining website in Georgia publishing live reports about the war.
Pay close attention to the error message, someday we will all see the same trying to access infowars.com
http://hotels.ltd.ge/tbilisi-blog/
August 10th, 2008 at 9:33 am
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What if there was a little known way to lose weight like you do after gastric bypass surgery? A super secret gastric by-pass surgery in a pill? One that the NEW WORLD ORDER doesn’t want the masses in possession of?
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http://www.3398158.myo3world.com/
August 10th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Even if Russia don’t bomb the pipe line and leaves it completely alone the msm in this country will report it was bombed and the price of gas will go up. I’ll bet on it. Any takers.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:29 am
WHO IS TO SAY THEY ARE NOT ACTING LIKE ENEMIES, WHEN BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THEY ARE TOGETHER, LIKE AMERICANS HELP SUPPLY THE GUNS, BUMBS, TRAINING ? TO GEORGIA, AND PUTIN ( RUSSIAN PRESIDENT DONT KNOW THAT ) BUT YET BUSH AND PUTIN ARE AT THE OLYMPICS SHAKING HANDS , AND THEN ALEX SAID THE DATE 8/8/08 BOTH BUSH AND PUTIN OUT OF THEIR COUNTRY , SO CHENNEY IS RUNNING THINGS ! DONT THEY HAVE CELL PHONES ?
AND LIKE BUSH DID, PUTIN JUST MORE OR LESS JUST SET THERE , WHILE HIS COUNTRY WAS ATTACKED . THAT IS LIKE I GET A CALL, SOME ONE IS BRAKING INTO YOUR HOUSE, ILL GET OFF MY ASS AND GET HOME FAST. EVERY DAM SO CALLED LEADER WORK TOGETHER, THE BIBLE SAID THEY SET AT ONE TABLE AND SPEAK LIES ! LIKE ONE WILL SAY TO THE OTHER, OK YOUR GOING TO KILL 10.000 IN MY COUNTRY, AND THE OTHER WILL SAY OK , WE WILL KILL 15.000 IN YOURS, THEY ALL ALL MURDERERS BUT BY MOUTH, THEY ALL SET ON THEIR LAZY ASS WHILE EVERY ON ELSE WILL DO THE DIRTY WORK, JUST LOOK AT THEM NO MATTER WHAT COUNTRY, EVERY ONE OF THEM LIVE IN THE BEST. WHO KNOW ?
August 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
THEY ARE ALL THE SAME s--- !
August 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Russian Navy Blockades Humanitarian Wheat Shipment to Georgia
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http://rmgh.net/news-room/aler.....?task=view
August 10th, 2008 at 10:47 am
BREAKING: Ukraine enters the war
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http://hotair.com/archives/200.....asus-fray/
August 10th, 2008 at 11:07 am
@ Curtism
My little mind, huh? I do have a very astute inkling as to what blockades are, thank you. They are almost never just restricted to naval passages either. They do occur on land as well. Hey, even electronically through the seizures of banking transactions.
Bloackades are more than just the stoppage of ships and the searching and seizing of weaponry, as you put it. Those seizures can and do include aid, information, food, medicine, money and FUEL. Not just weaponry, Simpleton. I (and the Reuters story) was citing that oil, which is necessary and key to a country’s economy; is NOT being blockaded by the Russians, or to be put in terms in which YOU can understand; not being stopped from export to other countries thereby not interrupting Georgia’s trade or commerce.
Here is what you stated: “What do you think they do when there is a blockade? They search ships looking for weapons and if they find weapons, that ship does not go to port.”
That of which you cite is solely the searching of ships for weapons and if any are found, that ship is either turned around or seized. A blockade’s purpose is to cripple economies and to starve it’s citizens. Georgia has plenty of weapons, thanks to the US. If you were talking about a ship loaded with perhaps, grain and it was turned around or seized, I’d agree that it was a blockade. If Russia were preventing the embarkment of oil from Gerogia’s port; that too is also a blockade.
Also, in case you missed it, which I think you did; a blockade is an act of war and in this case, it is NOT taking place. This is the bubble in which I am talking about and are bursting in regards to the above posted story.
Before attacking me, as you did, understand the facts that are placed before you and before advancing henceforth while making yourself out to be the fool. I suggest re-reading both articles again (the one above and the one I posted), disseminating the information and asking yourself if there is any need to be concerned over a blockade that is not taking place. My answer would be a resounding, “No”. Therefore, this story should be removed as it is a speculation piece. And Russia has not attempted destroying the oil pipeline that stretches 443 km through Azerbaijan, 249 km through Georgia and 1076 km through Turkey. At 155 miles in length through Georgia itself, I think the Russians had an opportunity to do so. “Russian military planes struck targets in Georgia, however, they were military, not economic”, as stated in the above article.
We can babble all day about the definitions and causes of a bloackade, but for all intents and purposes, there appears to be, on the surface anyway; no blockade.
Anyway, this story from Bloomberg was filed at 11am EST. This states the same thing. NO blockade of any sort.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/.....refer=home
August 10th, 2008 at 11:19 am
@ CT_Truther
This is where it starts, I see. The Russians say it isn’t happening, the Georgians say it is. Whom do we believe? It’s as though we need a non-partisan party such as the Red Cross and/or ship’s captains to confirm this ‘blockade’ story. If it is happening, then it is terrible on Russia’s part to impose pain and suffering upon the citizens of Georgia when it’s Georgia’s government that, ultimately, the Russians want to hurt.
August 10th, 2008 at 11:31 am
Aussie come out, come out, whereever you are.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
Simple question.Who started the fight?HUUNHDAUUNNHUH!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
#5,Thank you for the laugh ,in such a tragic situation
August 10th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Ukraine Enters The Fray?
Hardly! What rampant sensationalism. The Ukraine is merely telling Russia that they want no part of this current conflict where US backed Georgia is the aggressor having attacked Russian citizens on Friday who reside in South Ossetia.
All the Ukraine has told Russia is that they don’t want Russia using their ports to park Russian boats as a staging point against Georgia. The Ukriane wishes to simply remain autonomous.
It’s getting as bad as CNN around here with these headlies.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Doesn’t make too much sense, does it? “Someone” goaded the Georgians into doing the most stupid act imaginable which was starting a war with a very determined and armed Russia. The question is why sacrifice a strategic piece of real estate in Central Asia at this time? Georgia was toast as soon as the tank columns and bombings moved south on Friday. The Israelis and the Neo-Cons may be that crazy to sacrifice a whole country, a strategic one at that, to further paint Russia as part of the evil axis that must be contained. Too many countries may be pulled into the mix, but I guess that was the intention. It’s going to be a cold winter.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Now Russia denighs that they are doing a blockade. they say they are sending troops and boats to provide humanitarian releif.
Yea right. those Russians want a freeway to Iran and they dont want breakaway republics in the way of their convoys to get to Iran. Its too hard for them to attempt to fight us in the Indian Ocean and the Persian gulf so they need to secure a back door to Iran over land.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
the answer is LOGISTICS, RUSSIA NEEDS OIL AND THEY ARE BETTER SITUATED TO TAKE THAT PIECE OF REAL ESTATE BECAUSE THE USA AND HER ALLIES ARE ON THE SOUTH.
CAN ANYBODY SAY WW3 AND THE EXTERMINATION OF 3 BILLION PEOPLE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFpSE_pdxM
August 10th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
Right to the ‘nads!
“In short, the Russian victory over Georgia means a severe blow to the United States, whose strategic position in the Caucasus region has become seriously weakened.
Former Soviet republics have also seen that the United States can do nothing to support them if they try to challenge increasingly strong Russian power. The result will be an expansion of Russian influence in the Caucasus and Central Asia and the reassertion of Russia as a world superpower.”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a.....id=3510303
August 10th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
@ JimmyInMexico (again)
Jimmy said: “those Russians want a freeway to Iran and they dont want breakaway republics in the way of their convoys to get to Iran. Its too hard for them to attempt to fight us in the Indian Ocean and the Persian gulf so they need to secure a back door to Iran over land.”
(rapid shaking of head) What in the world are you talking about? There are Russian boats in the Mediterranean right now, which is not far from the Persian Gulf. If the Russians wanted to, and they are smarter than to just attack “us”, they could attack anytime, anywhwere. What did you think that had at their disposal? Only trucks?
Could you clarify? Not understanding what your point is. I think you need another Pacifico.
August 10th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
All the best to Russia ,the majority of the world is with you. By the way, the Red Cross can no longer be regarded as impartial after letting the Fascist Colombian Special Forces use their identity in Colombia recently. One cannot trust them now as just a charity-more a prop for a Fascist regime!
August 10th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Well, here’s a surprise.
Media Disinformation: BBC distorts the News from the Georgia Region
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i.....p;aid=9783
That’s why I don’t watch ABCNNBCBS or BBC or Faux News
August 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Russia sinks Georgian ship
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/S.....2FShowFull
August 10th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Napoleon went against Russia, and all of his proud army froze and starved to death in Russia, while Napoleon himself fled on a fast horse back to France, leaving his Army to freeze to death in Russia. Hitler sent his Nazi Army into Russia in WWII, they fought for awhile, that is until they all froze to death and died. Now, the U.S. wants to try and roll the dice with Russia.
Here’s a tip…
The message is clear, don’t f--- with Russia,
that is, if you want to continue living on this planet.
. 9th1
August 10th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Reading the bbc news site gets me so f---ing angry, they are really trying to make Russia look bad in this where as I see them as the good guys in this situation. Georgia is trying so hard to pull the west in this and start WW3. I hope Russia bombs the Georgian president. Russia has set up field hospitals and has a very good plan for dealing with the refugees in a humain way when all we hear from georgia is, THEY ARE DOING THIS, THEY ARE DOING THAT….
BBC is claiming that Russia is blocking food supplies and is bombing civilian targets, Georgia’s goverment intentions are very clear…. they want to drag us all in on this but I don’t think even Bush is that stupid. They are delibertly lying to the media and the BBC is eating it all up, I think the BBC is deliberitly misinforming people…. what makes we really angry is that the sheeple are falling for it. AND IF RUSSIA WANTED TO BOMB THAT MAIN OIL PIPE THEY WOULD NOT HAVE MISSED. another one of georgias lies to get international help.
To the georgian authorities, I LAUGH AT YOUR SQUEELS FOR HELP! THOUGHT BUSH WOULD SAVE YA DID YA? LOL!
August 10th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Blunt force – Jimmy might be referring to the highway in Afghanistan that was built during the Afghan war
It was built to carry heavy military machinery quickly to the middle east . Or it is another leg to give them a
two pronged invasion . It doesn’t look like they have time for that . Who knows ?
August 10th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Hey, CT_Truther, The New Zealand Herald is reporting the same story.
Russia sinks Georgian ship as conflict continues
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sect.....d=10526372
August 10th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Blunt force
What Im trying to say is if the USA sets up a blockade against Iran, and russia wants to come to their rescue, it would invoke a serious naval battle and we (USA) have it sewn up. So they are looking to come down from the north because even if they have ships in the Medeterainian sea, they still have to go through the Suez canal. And that is going to be dificult for them. They want to avoid these choke points.
Follow the links and there is one video that has a map in the description. The Russians have the black sea sewn up cause it goes into their belly, so we would be foolish to try to go there. So theyare doing everything in their power to get ready to come down through the land.
this video will give you a look in another direction as to how it will turn out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
August 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
This filed at 4:30pm EST
Georgia: Europe fears for oil supply as clash threatens pipeline
I skimmed this quickly. Times Online can be a little propagandist. But, this is all we need to have Europe nervous about it’s oil. All that’s missing now is for France’s President Sarkozy to start yippin’ off.
http://business.timesonline.co.....499863.ece
August 10th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
@ JimmyInMexico.
Got it. Will check it out. Thanks.
August 10th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
God help us , If you have friends or relatives living on any coast , In America . Tell them to leave , now .
August 10th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
RUSSIA SUNK A GEORGIAN MISSLE BOAT OR SHIP,
August 10th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
RUSSIA BLOCKS A HUMANITARIAN WHEAT SHIPMENT FROM GOING TO GEORGIA
August 10th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili, who is a US trained lawyer, who allowed his military to attack Russian citizens in South Ossetia is now wailing, “The United States and the world community should stop [the] intervention and invasion of my sovereign country,” said Mikhail Saakashvili. “I think the U.S. is the most powerful country in the world. I think the U.S. has lots of leverage, and I think there are lots of diplomatic means that it could be done through. This is not about Georgia anymore. This is about basic values of humanity.”
They goaded you into a war you had no chance of pulling off and now you expect your Masters, the US and Israel; who that threw you into the mouth of the Russian Bear, to come to your aid? Ha! You fool!
It’s what happens when you make a deal with the devil, Mikhail. You are now left to twist in the wind, bud.
http://www.voanews.com/english.....-voa30.cfm
August 10th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Moscow Flexes Muscles but Little Will Change
“President Dmitry Medvedev, Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov have labeled Georgia’s attack on the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, as “genocide” and said Tbilisi has lost the right to ever govern the separatist region.”
http://www.moscowtimes.ru/arti.....369686.htm
August 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Did you knew that all mainstream Russian media is owned by the State or private entities who all are censored and using propoganda?! See documentary: The Putin System.
Just want you to know that Russia’s might not be right on this one. Dunno on Georgia’s involvement with US, maybe it’s true but definetely Russia is not one to trust.
It’s a dictatorship since 2001 !
Russia is also bombarding Tbilisi airport and that’s not near S.Ossetia!!!!!!!
August 10th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
127 US military advisers said to be working in Georgia
http://www.rbcnews.com/free/20080810204658.shtml
August 10th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Tbilisi Blog back online
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http://tbilisiwebinfo.wordpress.com/
August 10th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
14 maybebaby Says:
“August 10th, 2008 at 6:14 am
are russian government god loving or are they satanists?
im thinking of joining the red team”
I beleave Russians are mostly Christians.. I’m preying Russia will help destroy this “evil” that has infested most of our world (ie: NWO).. but am still cautious because the Neocons infest both sides of most issues so that they may control the outcome.
Bottom line though.. the elite feel there are too many of us alive, and they want us dead.
August 10th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Oh.. and BTW,
We have friends from Russia that say they have more freedoms then we do here in the USSA.
August 10th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
Did you folks see this article by Dr. Stephen Jones of 9-11 fame on how to make a solar cooker/refrigerator? It’s cheap to make. Jeff Rense had a link to it. It might prove useful when we are back in the stone ages.
http://solarcooking.org/plans/funnel.htm
August 10th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Filed at 10pm EST
Cheney Threatens Russia Over Georgia
“In a phone conversation with Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili on Sunday, Cheney said Russia’s military actions in Georgia ‘must not go unanswered’”
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.a.....id=3510203
August 10th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
Filed at 10:20pm EST
Georgian Snipers Hunting Russian Journalists
http://www.vostokmedia.com/n22207.html
August 10th, 2008 at 10:39 pm
What about the thrreat by Ukraine (President poisoned by Kremlin – According to Him), to limit Soviet access to port until hostilities cease?
What ever happened to Shilvreneza? The previous Premier of Georgia who used to be Soviet Foreign Minister?
Was the first Premier/President of Georgia?
August 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
You guys need to stop with the “OMG IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD! NWO ILLUMINATI BULLs---” you people are so f---ing scary little pussys that any article infowars puts up you immediately start s---ting bricks.
You people are f---ing pathetic. Get of the computer and get of Alex Jones nut sack. He has you people in f---ing fear trips.
Chill the f--- out you pussy ass losers.
August 10th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
You guys need to stop with the “OMG IT’S THE END OF THE WORLD! NWO ILLUMINATI BULLs---” you people are so f---ing scary little pussys that any article infowars puts up you immediately start s---ting bricks.
You people are f---ing pathetic. Get of the computer and get of Alex Jones nut sack. He has you people in f---ing fear trips.
Chill the f--- out you pussy ass losers….
August 10th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Hey John Doe…..I know your a big tough guy! Would appreciate it if you would stop all the cursing and macho stuff….And your dissing a media outlet…..why you even the f--- on here then!
Peace Doep..!
August 11th, 2008 at 4:24 am
Hey John Doe,
Could you please inform us what Government/Private sector organisation you work for?
August 11th, 2008 at 4:42 am
Za Doctor…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD7_7SXsHU8
August 11th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Yes as Doe said we should all get “of” the computer… I’ll write that down, study it, learn it, love it , and live it … or something lol. Anyhow to the situation at hand. This is a bad bad situation all around, for everyone, involved or not. For one the media in general , on either side, is doing poorly here. Western media blames Russia, Russian media blames Georgia and us and who knows who else. An interesting side note, I just saw a clip on the feed coming from KTLA in Los Angelos of a protest in L.A. of “georgian immigrants” against Russia, if it’s up on their site yet, check it out. Not for the obvious but, take note of all the Israeli flags in that crowd. Thought that was “neat”.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
a russian world government will rise.
not the european or american one you expect.
it will rise out of neccessity rather than greed.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
CONFIRMED: Russia Today website under Cyber Attack
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http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/28835
August 11th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Italy is ready to send troops to South Ossetia
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http://www.ansa.it/site/notizi.....63932.html
August 11th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
EMAIL FROM THE FRONT LINES!!
I have a Russian friend who is a nurse and had went to help the the Ossetians. This is her Email from yesterday unedited!
“the american tv news dont show you what’s the real situation,because they want american people to think that Russia began this war, but its not truth,Saakashvili and Bush began this war, poor people dying, georgian killed 2000 people in Osetiya,its terrible, what they do,they kill children,woman, all people,i hate them. we were crying,they dont show how bush trained georgian troops kill children!Poor people”
August 11th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
can somebody show the hells angels the 911 truth and get a well orginized group w/ balls to stand up for this country
August 12th, 2008 at 12:20 am
They thought these guy’s were playing..
The wise man say’s don’t start something you know you can’t win..
and that’s what Georgia did.. Russia’s army is as big as our’s if not bigger.
This might be the crisis the Mccain’s and Bush’s of the world want.
Pure anarchy!
August 12th, 2008 at 2:32 am
So do you guys out there know what a naval blockade to a country is?
I start to doubt you know what it is and I ask your “clever” minds if you think of that as an act of defense from Russia?
Russia claimed that is defending himself against the Georgian aggressor and is defending also Ossetia that Russia claims to be an independent country, so ask yourselves if a naval blockade to a country in any part of the world is an act of defence!!! You better ask yourselves because you are all getting crazy and paranoid and you should start to worry with your god damn minds for god sakes. Also ask yourself if Ossetia is an independt country (that it is or better said it should be!) what is the “Red” Army doing in Ossetia!!! Yes because the “Red” Army is there placed long long time. I didn’t start to follow this case yesterday or today…
Also when Russia says that is defending himself from the Georgian aggressor you pick a map for god sakes and go and see for yourselves the territorial dimension of Georgia compared with the territorial dimension of Russia!!! Do you guys know what you are talking about??? You can’t know what you are talking about for god sakes!!! I even saw a cheek talking about the border that Georgia has with Iran (Georgia doesn’t have any border with Iran LMAO) for God sakes and thats the proof you don’t really know what you are talking about or you are all agents of KGB disinformation. I really hope not. I am not liking the position you guys are taking in this matter of Russia-Georgia war and honestly I have been with you since the beginning supporting you guys with the fight against NWO and the 911 truth movement but now I start to realize that you are not who I thought you were. You guys are taking the place of the Russians against the Nations of the West??? Be careful and think twice what you are really doing guys for your own good.
August 12th, 2008 at 6:55 am
Well, now that Russia has called a ceasefire, let’s way up the damage.
Lots of dead civilians. CHECK.
Important pipeline from Caspian Sea to NATO member, put out of operation, CHECK.
SOCAR (state oil company of Azerbaijan) left with little option but to use RUSSIAN pipelines to export it’s oil. CHECK
Russian troops in long term occupation of Abhkazia and South Ossetia, within striking distance of the BTC (western oil company) pipeline. CHECK.
Significant Georgian military assets destroyed. CHECK.
Georgia’s hopes of joining NATO thrown into disarray. CHECK.
Saakashvili’s future in serious doubt. CHECK.
NATO embarrased and too bogged down in Iraq to do anything about it. CHECK.
What else could Putin have wanted out of this?
Unanswered questions. Who, if anybody, attacked the Georgian villiages inside S. Ossetia prior to the Georgian offensive there? NATO agents provocateurs, or Kremlin provacateurs? Was this a trap to draw Georgia in, and ‘justify’ Russian invasion?
Also worth looking at, what role did US ‘advisers’ play in directing Georgian artillery fire in South Ossetia?
August 12th, 2008 at 9:06 am
NATO pipeline’s importance ZILCH. They provoked the war and if anyone has been reading the international news they saw everystep toward this invasion from the Georgians. If any criticism is to be given to Russia, I think they should have acted earlier.
August 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am
ALEX!!! Attention, you’re not keeping up-Check CNN…Saakashvili is accusing Russia of moving deeper into Georgia, threatening the east-west highway, saying the Russ are violating the ceasefire (which, as part of the ceasefire was, of course, a DMZ around S. Ossetia)…and Bush gave a brief speech, essentially threatening to violate the Russ naval blockade for “humanitarian” relief, which he is ordering THE MILITARY to set up (by air and sea) and conduct…naturally, that means forces sent in to set up at the airbase to handle the incoming weapons, er, “relief supplies”…he says we’re gonna stand with the Georgians!…he was foolishly belligerent in his statements, ordering the Russians to “comply”, talking down to them like children…this is HUGE!…check out CNN.
Dave, SC
August 14th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
http://www.onemorepromethean.com for more information on the Russia/Georgia conflict.
Georgia was funded and armed by the US government, US troops carried out ‘war games’ in Georgia in July, Saakashvili came to power through a coup scheduled by the US ambassador to Georgia, Richard Miles.