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Russia’s Leaders See China as Template for Ruling
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CLIFFORD J. LEVY
The New York Times
October 18, 2009
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Or at least, the one that reigns next door.
Like an envious underachiever, Vladimir V. Putin’s party, United Russia, is increasingly examining how it can emulate the Chinese Communist Party, especially its skill in shepherding China through the financial crisis relatively unbowed.
United Russia’s leaders even convened a special meeting this month with senior Chinese Communist Party officials to hear firsthand how they wield power.
In truth, the Russians express no desire to return to Communism as a far-reaching Marxist-Leninist ideology, whether the Soviet version or the much attenuated one in Beijing. What they admire, it seems, is the Chinese ability to use a one-party system to keep tight control over the country while still driving significant economic growth.
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October 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yeah good luck to your Russians. Communism doesn’t work.
thom Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
you*
FreddyFigaro Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Ya right like these secular humanist ever left communism behind !!!!
uchikoma Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:49 am
Err yes they did. Mabey having some idea of what you are talking about would help, sir.
SpellB Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 4:18 am
did you spell maybe, M-A-B-E-Y? Not only are you uneducated in foreign affairs, you’re not too educated in english either.
gregkdc Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I love how they media keeps using China as an example for government the only reason why China is so successful is because we have been selling out to them for years and exporting all of our wealth. If it wasn’t for our wealth they would still be a 3rd world country. There is no more to it communism doesn’t work don’t forget it!
THE WATCHER Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 10:08 am
gregkdc – C.I.A. set up the manufacturing in China in the late 80s to break the U.S. economy, I KNOW.
Tovya Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Greg you’re spot on. What China has done to America, America did to Germany
in the twenties. The Germans had to have a year of jubilee under Jhalmer Shockit.
They were the first country to come out of the depression. A pity they lost democracy.
China is using supply side economics, it’s Voodoo economics. Property ownership with
a producing and consuming middle class is the only moddle that works. China is like
a parasite. When the host drops, so will the parasite.
Hold on to your democracy. Obama will be gone, and if America wants too they
can come out of this later quickly.
Did you know that America has the biggest coal reserve. Using the Sasol process
you can have all your oil made in America, by Americans for Americans.
A lot of us would like to see the USA of old – a light on the hill.
By the way Roosevelt kept you guys in the depression. At conferences with “Uncle
Joe”, he would ignore Winston Chrurchill.
Cameron looks like he may win. The EU will die, for very valid reasons. The time
for the roads of old are coming.
ConcernedCitizen Reply:
October 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
“Did you know that America has the biggest coal reserve. Using the Sasol process
you can have all your oil made in America, by Americans for Americans.”
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?
America, what have you guys been doing?
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am
That’s right! BUY AMERICAN!
sam Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Well that depends on how you want to define “work.” It is working for China, at least economically, for them anyway. They are thriving in that regard. However, when it comes to human rights, which is hardly ever mentioned because it doesn’t even matter to the business elite, you see a complete failure.
Jake Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:19 am
If a country of 1.6 billion had complete freedom and human rights it would be absolute mayhem. I live in China and must say that through all my travels the average person I talk to is happy and has only similar complaints to those of US citizens. Before you speak ill of something you should really go see it for yourself instead of listening to others, this is not the China of the 60’s.
ConcernedCitizen Reply:
October 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
It’s 1.3 to 1.5 billion. Nobody really knows for sure. As for human rights being disastrous China, their is no proof of democracy as being inimical for a large population, just look at India, it’s a democracy even though they face religious violence with religious fundamentalists everyday.
And let me guess: you are one of those people who caterwaul at the erosion of civil liberties in the United States during times of war, but couldn’t give a shit less when people like Liu xiaboa are imprisoned during times of peace for simply speaking out against the government.
StarinaNovak Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Nonsence. Russia is not going back to communism.
tankman Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 4:31 am
you’re right, they aren’t going back, they never stopped being communists. If you really believe they aren’t maybe you could explain why a country with vitually no national debt, and a whole lot of government wealth, home to the most expensive city’s to visit in the world, (st petersburg, moscow) yet the majority of citizens are living in poverty.
Listen to yuri bezmenov. we are slowly going communist under the name democracy through ideological subversion. and all that college exp you have hasn’t taught you anything, just brainwased you into believing malarkey.
Gary Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 10:30 am
It already has. In fact, it never left it. Communism is just monopoly capitalism with a different name. It is what the international bankers who created the Soviet Union, in the first place, created. All that happened at the end of the eighties was an economic collapse, engineered deliberately by the international banking cartel that created and propped up the Soviet economy to begin with.
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Yes it does! KGB popet putin installed dictatorship already
Canuck7 Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Neither does American Capitalism-Greed sucks ’cause it is self defeating !
gregkdc Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Greed is always present no matter what system of government there is. Capitalism is the best suited to deal with this greed by fostering competition.
Tommy D Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
What bothers me even more is that individuals in or government have openly said the same thing.
AIDS_is_better_than_fluoride Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Communism favors the banking cartel, the Rothschild family, and similar jewish Zionists (which include Tim Geithner, Ben Bernake, Barney Frank, 66% of New York’s banking community (still in business), 100% of jewish personnel working for WTC and told not to show up for work on 09/11/01, etc., etc) WHY DO SO MANY JEWISH PEOPLE WORK NEAR OBAMA ANYWAY?
FACTS Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 10:14 am
AIDS_is_better_than_fluoride – The Zionist bankers OWN Obama, silly.
Gary Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Communism was created by the banking cartel.
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
That’s easy – hussain is jew himself!!!
Red Dawn 09 Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 10:03 am
So it would seem that russia wants to copy other peoples way of life for they cant come up with one that works? Methinks they can do better if they would just switch the leaders for if they cannot solve that big of a problem I guarantee with everyone that lives there someone is bright enough and sober enough to solve the problem. Click my name for more information on todays hottest topics including swine flu,Ron Paul,Bilderberg and others. Movies,video’s,blog’s,text and when you cant cram anymore, Games. Updated daily and newly awakened patriots welcome.
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October 19th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
thom Says:
October 18th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yeah good luck to your Russians. Communism doesn’t work.
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hm, who said you that Russians will use communism? I see it only from CLIFFORD J. LEVY’s opinion of The New York Times..
Seems like americans still beleive in their propaganda lies, instead of opinion of ORIGINAL THINKERS.
Nice work, New York Times! Continue to brainwash dumb americans…
bankster Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
you think china and russia is bad ?? Britain is much worse.. Britain’s motto is .. We must chop off your arms so you dont hurt yourself with them http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNPg0uC54J4 Britain police state primer
October 18th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
1st you bitches!
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October 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
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KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Must be a case of a split personality… both are jews anyway
October 18th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
I don’t know how much I really trust the NYT….
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October 18th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
The Chinese secret, or method is no mystery, they have limited the Zionist bansters limited access, and only under their terms. The Chinese people work hard, and they study harder. They know multiple languages, and their traditions as a people have kept them strong. They believe in god, and they are not sexual animals as we in the USA have been made into. The Government has adopted the Chi-com method of control over us via Homeland Security. The Chinese government is using their Capital to improve their country, instead of raping it, and making off with the dough. We in the USA are the ignorant ones, many countries, and their citizens are better than we will ever be, BUT WE SAY WERE THE BEST. Wake up as many people as you can, get them to join us here. We must, or we’re doomed.
StarinaNovak Reply:
October 18th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
US needs a big alarm clock.
You’ll know when you hear it.
Jake Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:22 am
I am so glad to see someone else that makes since around here. The American system is not always the best system.
October 18th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Rothschild says ……..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhfjSM-pgsk
October 18th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
We’re all gonna be chop suey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
There’s no mystery to China’s “leap forward” All you need is unlimited Manpower (slaves). Greed from the West that has allowed so much of Western technology and jobs to be transfered to China, especially from the USA. Now we are flooded with cheap, unreliable goods that may actually have been made by “political” prisoners and slaves. I tried to tell people to not buy this crap from China, but the call of WalMart speaks louder. Well, I hope all the homeless, used-to-be-middle-class folks will even be able to afford shopping at WalMart. I guess you get enough spare change, or a $5.00 an hour part-time job. Made in China? Made in blood and tears. That place is a fuckin’ environmental disaster, but STFU ’cause the Party will tell you when to cry. Fuck the NWO, the NAU WalMart and the CCP!!! Wake the fuck up!!!!!
Jake Reply:
October 19th, 2009 at 3:23 am
long live the CCP. FUCK the united states!
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Chinise people are direct desendant of the prehistoric jews!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
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October 18th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
china is another CULTURE. A culture that is very rich in history. Communism works in china due to the type of culture they have. Very obedient, very respectful, very honorable. Obedience is what makes any totalitarian government work.
America is a totalitarian government right now as well. However, most Americans are just uniformed, misinformed or complicit. Not Obedient. We are not obedient in any way. Our country was founded on rebellion, not obedience.
Our government has served as a world’s policeman for the NWO for over 40 years now. The NWO was born out of ww2. Our government is so big, so fat that it crushing under the weight while China hasn’t had that problem becuase they have not been the world’s policeman but rather the world’s manufacturing engine.
China will suffer from this depression as well becuase we won’t be buying as much anymore. The Chinese will now have to sell to their own people who so far have refrained from USA spending sprees. But because they Chinese are also very conservative they will not spend nearly as much as Americans did.
Over all the NWO has been established for decades and it’s now falling down. The USA is no longer gonna be the zionist cheerleader and boy, the Zionist are going out of their way to continue to misinform us, control us and get as much money, technology out of us before we fall completely.
It’s already over. The great robbery is underway. Only thing left is for the banksters and the zionist to cover their tracks.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
THE CHILDREN WILL REMAIN IGNORANT UNTIL THEIR EYES REPLACE THE LIES WITH THE TRUTH THEY SEE IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
http://www.npr.org/templates/s.....d=92025860
October 18th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
The Chinese coolies, (poor slave labor) ARE obedient, respectful and honorable.
Its the LEADERSHIP that’s DIS obedient, DIS respectful and DIS honorable;
In short, THE SAME KIND OF CRIMINALS WHO HAVE HIJACKED OUR GOV’T.
October 18th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
They just want to know what the USA has learned from China so they can follow suit.
October 19th, 2009 at 12:52 am
funny how a NY Times article ends up on Alex Jones site when it makes russia look bad,
while on most other occations he calls the NYT and WP propaganda spreading controlled magazines.
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
but russia is very bad, for real
October 19th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Yeah, 70 million + of their own citizens murdered! What a template… And we have folks like Bill Maher saying “if only we had that kind of system” and “we just need to drag them to it (health care)”. Oh…and if you look Mr. Mahers page…he claims to be a Libertarian…no seriously. Perhaps he needs to be shipped off to Russia or China to he can enjoy the kind of society he would like to see here in the U.S.
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
to siberia!!! to live with eskimo jews
October 19th, 2009 at 9:53 am
NYT is a zionist/NWO mouthpiece…gotta look for a twist/agenda
October 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
China is so successful because their militay isn’t spread all over the globe and cheap labor and the people get shit on everyday!
October 19th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Communism was created by the international banking cartel, in the first place. The international bankers favor any type of centralization of government, as it makes it easier to control nations. Thus, they backed the Bolsheviks and the Nazis and every communist regime that has ever existed.
As for the supposed “collapse” of communism, this isn’t what happened at all. It continued to exist in China, Vietnam and other communist countries. What really happened was the international banking cartel stopped propping up the Soviet Union and pulled the economic rug out from under it in order to deliberately collapse its economy. This then paved the way for PNAC (Project for a New American Century) and 9/11.
The model for the NWO is, indeed, Communist China, the most totalitarian society on the planet, and Russia’s real leaders are the international bankers that created the Soviet Union.
KenJons Reply:
October 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
agree – USSR was a prudoct of banksters ploy to enslave entire world!
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