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Saving Face in Afghanistan
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Ron Paul
Infowars
October 15, 2009
This past week there has been a lot of discussion and debate on the continuing war in Afghanistan. Lasting twice as long as World War II and with no end in sight, the war in Afghanistan has been one of the longest conflicts in which our country has ever been involved. The situation has only gotten worse with recent escalations.
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The current debate is focused entirely on the question of troop levels. How many more troops should be sent over in order to pursue the war? The administration has already approved an additional 21,000 American service men and women to be deployed by November, which will increase our troop levels to 68,000. Will another 40,000 do the job? Or should we eventually build up the levels to 100,000 in addition to that? Why not 500,000 – just to be “safe”? And how will public support be brought back around to supporting this war again when 58 percent are now against it?
I get quite annoyed at this very narrow line of questioning. I have other questions. We overthrew the Taliban government in 2001 with less than 10,000 American troops. Why does it now seem that the more troops we send, the worse things get? If the Soviets bankrupted themselves in Afghanistan with troop levels of 100,000 and were eventually forced to leave in humiliating defeat, why are we determined to follow their example? Most importantly, what is there to be gained from all this? We’ve invested billions of dollars and thousands of precious lives – for what?
The truth is it is no coincidence that the more troops we send the worse things get. Things are getting worse precisely because we are sending more troops and escalating the violence. We are hoping that good leadership wins out in Afghanistan, but the pool of potential honest leaders from which to draw have been fleeing the violence, leaving a tremendous power vacuum behind. War does not quell bad leaders. It creates them. And the more war we visit on this country, the more bad leaders we will inadvertently create.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
The real question is why are we there at all? What do our efforts now have to do with the original authorization of the use of force? We are no longer dealing with anything or anyone involved in the attacks of 9/11. At this point we are only strengthening the resolve and the ranks of our enemies. We have nothing left to win. We are only there to save face, and in the end we will not even be able to do that.
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October 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Hmmmn, save face, or save US soldiers…..
“Golly gee Beaver, sometimes i can’t tell why adults do what they do…”
-Wally Cleaver
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Ron Paul is the PRESIDENT we NEED.
FUNZO is the President we DESERVE…
“This ain’t no sociological-breakdown, oh no-
This is the road to Hell-”
Chris Rhia(?)
(not certain of spelling)
Ron Paul deserves a nobel prize Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I have never been so disappointed in my country.
If Americans were the people they think they are, Ron Paul would have been President already.
RP just makes too much sense to ever be President.
I am sad for the nation I once loved. And I am sad for the people we have devastated for lies.
Bring our troops home! ALL OF THEM DAM IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its.us Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
if they really had two balls and a brain, would they have let JP Morgan, Rockefeller, and gang get control of the money supply?
roslyn Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 1:19 am
I ask myself the same question, its.us.
Crito Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Politicians saving face is much more important than soldiers’ lives. No death toll is too great to protect the Democan and Republicrat one-party system.
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Agreed.
The larger-reality, is the ‘under-government’, wants US soldiers in another country, (where they cannot protect-us).
VoiceintheWilderness Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Let’s see…National Guard in a foreign country conducting war and Combat Troops stationed in the United States…anyone else see a disconnect?
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
When i served, we were STRESSED that NG was for STATESIDE ONLY.
i was freaked, when Bush started to send ‘em to Iraq, (figured sure someone would tell him where to ‘get-off’.
Red Dawn 09 Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 11:46 am
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Rick Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Ron Paul got it spot on in February 2008 in his CPAC speech 7 months before the financial crisis hit. He should be America’s President and was the last chance you had to not become a failed state. Sadly America is now way to far down the line for anyone to turn the tide and it is only a matter of time before the whole thing breaks down like it did in Russia. And i bet even then most of sheeple say “how did this happen”.
Ron had it right when he said there is no reason for Americans to be scared of anything or anyone. You have the most weapons, the best weapons and there is zero chance of another country being mad enough to invade America. Going off to the other side of the world to apparently fight for our freedoms is madness and pointless. 911 killed 3000 people and was a terrible event. Obviously we know it was an inside job but lets suppose for a minute it was a real terrorist attack, so what 3000 people is f--- all compared to the whole population of America. If you lived a couple of miles outside New York you wouldn’t have known anything about it if you hadn’t been watching the TV. A few planes hitting buildings is hardly an invading army.
In the UK we had the IRA for 30 years. There were bombs going off on regular occasions but still it didn’t effect the population as a whole. 20 deaths here and 50 deaths there, which is tragic for the people involved but was nothing to the population as a whole who went about their daily lives not even thinking about it and UK’s population is much smalled than Americas.
Until there is an actual army wanting to invade your country or a friendly country anything else is just bollocks and will never break the resolve of the people.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Whew, for a second I thought the debate would focus on Al Qaeda and 9-11. Good thing Ron Paul is there to change the subject!
roaddog6 Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
anybody having trouble with signing in to the aj radio show? Been trying for days and I can’t get in.
Sar4Life Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
pasting this to winamp or WMP work fine:
http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls
roaddog6 Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
sar—that didn’t work. I keep getting: enternet cannot display web page. Its been doing it for the last few days.
roaddog6 Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
sar—I had to go through firefox. It wouldn’t work through google for some reason any more.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
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October 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
You are my hero Ron Paul
October 15th, 2009 at 9:34 am
LOL
October 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
i pre-suppose within 10 years we’ll know one-way, or another.
Ciao’.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
As the time goes on , people of america have everyday less and less freedom due to politics conducted by federal power. Also , as a consequence of the economic crisis , more and more of them have lost their job and home. But the crisis is not finished , and in near future the consequences could be catastrophic. Keep in mind that any change can not come from the federal government , but only the people , the only source of any future chagement. If a majority of them think a change is possible , so it can be. A way to preserve freedom , ideals , welfare of people is federalism must come to an end. People will have to make a choise , federalism versus freedom , ideals , welfare… . The first could lead to the establishment of a martial law. A state as texas is ready to cross the line , it could be an example for the others. People could put under pressure every state government in the aim to declare secession , the american constitution allow such a decision. Such an aim can’t be aimed without any precaution , as it is evident the federal power is not ready to yield or abdicate. Probably , this one will use force to submit people , but constitution give garantees on firearms. people can put up a fight against the oppressive federal power if a political issue according to the will of people can not be lead. People have to make his will respect , otherwise it will be an opressed people. Saying that federalism must come to an end mean it must be break down , it appears to be the only way to preserve people. America can be easily imagined without federalism and preserved.
a j
October 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
http://www.theunitednationsexecutivecouncil.org
October 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I hope the resistance in afghanistan drives out the US imperialists
phuck the NWO
MadMarkie Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 10:15 am
The British couldn’t get the job done. The Russians were right next door, not a half a world away like we are and they couldn’t get the job done with a hell of a lot more troops than the US will ever be able to throw into combat over there. So what gives our leaders any idea that we can get the job done?
They are using the drugs that Afganistan produces if they believe that we can ever win over there.
WHAT nobel prize? Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
A pipeline is worth this?
A pipeline to bring natural gas to Europe is worth all of this?
FYI: We killed in Iraq so China could get oil tap leases. A nation of over 1 billion people and we die and murder for them?
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!ALL OF THEM
goodseed Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 8:17 am
This is not about winning a war or even a pipeline. It is about perpetuating war and expanding it globally until they finally tear down the old order. Then, when there is no vestige of the old order left, they intend to build their new order. What it is leading to is armageddon. They are doomed to fail and take the rest of the world down with them. The good news (gospel) is that they are doomed to fail. God exists and the spirit realm is more real than the physical because the physical was created from the spiritual.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Cry-harder.
Almost any adverb can be hyphenated, loser.
Go back to school, while it’s even an option.
(oh, jamoke)- i can bitch harder, and louder about the US education system than you can.
My children HOME-SCHOOL, and test-out two grades higher than their peeprs.
[FAIL]
October 15th, 2009 at 10:19 am
In-fighting is going to stop the NWO. Use the time you have left to do something USEFUL.
You heard it here first, from Charlie Frost.
Alo-ha
October 15th, 2009 at 10:22 am
PRESIDENT PAUL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2009 at 10:31 am
There is no War in Afghanistan…there is only mass slaughter…another orchestrated Genocide!
The same can be said of Iraq…and all previous orchestrated Genocidal acts of mass slaughter!
There is no War…it’s purely the slaughter of innocents and innocents defending “their soil”
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I’m ashamed to be a part of the human race!!!
Gary Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 11:05 am
You’ve got it, Aussie. A war requires an enemy and there is none.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Win what ? What is is that the US needs to win and for what reasons and when ? And if you win ? Then what ? Is that WAR over are all WARS over ? WAR is one of America’s primary industries, certainly not for a good cause or for democracy or to protect the people’s of America, but for control and greed and by design. There are no end to these useless WARS and people of America continue to sit there like a bunch of foolish idiots that they really area and just continue to watch tyranny in action and there own freedoms washed away. But what can we do ??? Obama the peace winner will save you don’t worry. Well then, just keep watching the show, your all doing fine.
October 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am
anyone remember during the nixon/ford presidencies when henry kissinger kept talking about “withdrawal with dignity” from viet nam? i don’t remember much dignity being saved back then by prolonging the war.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Calling ALL Veterans
Did You Fight and Die for what’s before
your face? Did You Fight and Die for the
United Nations to Own Your America – the
once beautiful?
Do You Still Feel Pride When Some Mindless
New World Order Type ‘Thanks You for Your
Service to Your Country’?
Sir and Ma’am Veteran, You’ve been Used,
Abused, Mislead and Lied to!
Now Sir and Ma’am Veteran the Hijackers
of America AKA Washington D.C: Executive,
Senate, Congress and Judicial along with their
Masters have put you / your name on a Bad Boy
List and yet, You still grovel to the ‘manufactured
image’ of You once Serving to protect the American
Freedoms and Values!
For the past many months various Government
Agencies have admitted to placing All Veterans
on a ‘Patriot Watch List’ – a group of names containing
individuals suspected of or planning to
remove the Hijackers of America – violently if
need be.
What a Crock! Wake Up Veterans and become
the Heroes, The Warriors, The Patriots to re-
establish the sovereign God Given Gift America-
The United States of America to Freemen and
Women – Who are willing to Fight to Keep
Freedom a reality.
KYPlayboy Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am
JSM – All vets with any speck of intelligence understand how they have been used for the abomination called “service to country”. As a decorated “vet” and father, I sat my son down and explained to him the facts of the military industrial complex and what the “federal” system did, and continues to do, to those who volunteer.
The great thing that came out of the conversation was that I saw a young man that was willing to go the “mile” and fight for his country – without putting a uniform on.
All us “old guys” are here when the fight begins..DONOT SWEAT THAT FACT..but I want some young blood wawtching my back too…..so how ’bout it JSM. Are cocled, locked and ready to rock?
Misinformed Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
All parents who truly love their children should inform their children of the truth and tell them not to enlist.
I often wonder what the nation would have been if so many young men had not had their lives squandered for nothing. If they had raised a family.
Serving in the military in not patriotic. Be a good citizen. Change the direction of the nation back to what made this the greatest nation, that is patriotism.
Mindless servitude is stupidity, not patriotism.
Your life is too precious to waste on some power hungry agenda. We want you home.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DON’T ENLIST. DON’T SERVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOTHING WILL CHANGE UNLESS YOUNG MEN AND WOMEN STOP LINING UP TO BE THE WORLDS CANNON FODDER. STAY HOME AND HELP CHANGE THE AGENDA.
October 15th, 2009 at 11:49 am
First off I am behind our military 100%. It really bothers me when I hear that another one has was killed over in that sandbox. What the military needs it some of the brass to grow some balls and start standing up to the ahole politians. Our boys are fighters who are trained to kill and that’s what they want. They don’t want a limit on what or who they can shoot at, this is war and God forbid there is colateral damage. WW2 did last that long because we let our military do their job and nobody interfered with it. Let our boys fight how they are trained to ans we could be out of there soon.we can’t wait for the afgan goverment to do anything all that karzi does is run drugs with his bro. We have the best military around let them do the job and keep our idiot dc out of it w there polictical rules of engagement.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Wow! This site is like an online store except worse. You’re persuaded by fear mongering to buy all of it. You do realize the purpose of this site is to make Alex and all of his friends rich, right? I beg someone to tell me it isn’t. Please, please one of you idiots tell me that this site isn’t about Alex and his friends making money.
raye Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Ben,
Why don’t you address the issues instead of attacking advertising. You may think advertising is evil, but what do you think about the Afghanistan war? Is the war going smoothly? Do we have a chance to win the afghanistan war? You see, you claim that this site is in the business of selling fear but does that mean the Afghanistan war is not going badly? What’s your opinion on the issues?
mercyflush Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
This site isn’t about Alex and his friends making money. There; let’s move on.
Libertarian Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Ben,
All Alex does is self-promote his poorly made videos and books. His show could be cut down to about half an hour and still get the same amount of information out.
-Me
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
whatever, (losers)
Alex has reams of info, on a regular basis-
Cry-louder, maybe that’l help your infantile-position………prolly-not.
As far as his ads, ur-right DAMN-GOOD material, aside from my weapon purchases, as soon as i figured-out how to armor vs. EMP i bought the BIGGEST solar generator.
You n00bs are a hoot though, (i’ll give ya’ that).
Prescott Steve Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Uh…ok, Alex isn’t rich. There was that good enough Big Ben.
Libertarian Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Alex does have a ton of info on a daily basis, but it is your job as an intelligent(?) member of society to sift through the riff-raff and determine your own point of view. I’m sure a lot of this info is true, but I guarantee a lot of it is bulls--- to get you to buy his stuff. Can’t blame him for being a capitalist, though; so am I. Just don’t be a “sheeple” by believing everything he says. If you do, you are just as bad as a “sheeple” that follows the MSM and NWO.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I dont think its about saving face as much as saving a half trillion a year in opium sales
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
CIA needs cash, no-doubt.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
EXCLUSIVE: video showing executions of prisoners in Pakistani jail.
VIDEO: Sniping operations against NWO in Iraq.
Huge NWO losses in Chaosistan.
And much more…
Use following tags in google: “redefining the psychological warfare”
WEXLER PREDICTING FUTURE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
http://www.politicsdaily.com/2.....ast-peace/ BOTTOM OF ARTICLE
its.us Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
wow im having a nice discussion trying to convince some neocons that it wasnt just the hippies protesting the G20.
http://www.okshooters.com/foru.....hp?t=68975
Having never heard of Agents Provocateurs, they knee jerk name-call me a “conspiracy theorist”.
the country is gone, folks.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
a few years ago, I still thought that muslims burning US flags are basically barbarians,
now I’ve come to realize, they were right, and I’d like to burn some US flags myself.
the real regime change the world needs is in the US itself.
(the EU sucks too, but at least they dont start wars yet)
i was wrong Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
me two
Prescott Steve Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Why burn American flags. Just because criminals have hijacked and bribed our government doesn’t mean the flag should be disrespected. I don’t equate these criminals as being worthy of calling themselves Americans, or representing the flag.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
So we are still lost. will we ever learn from history?
October 15th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
There is no one in Afghanistan or Iraq that had anything to do with “9/11″, ever. Both of these wars were created to serve Wall-street and the lackeys in Washington District of Criminals.
There is no dignified way to leave. They just need to leave. The real threat is here, and has always been here. No more believable that the idea of a 757 fitting between the first and second floor of the pentagon, or a poorly aspirated kerosene fire will melt steel, is the idea that these wars are legitament.
It’s too bad the youngsters don’t know the history of Vietnam. If they did they’d tell the government to go screw them selves!
Prescott Steve Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
The real purpose for the wars is so that Dick Cheney and his good buddy’s can line their pockets from selling their war machines. They don’t care one bit about the lives being lost because of them.
October 15th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
why isn’t the record poppy harvest(s) at the center of the discutions on this topic ?oh yah and as for my sacrifice(sic) for going to the raq …where is my cut ?
mercyflush Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Taliban “discourage” drug production; yet our prop makes the opium production fall on their shoulders. Well now they are fighting an occupying force and have to let the slaves grow their opium; hence, record harvests. Somehow, I always knew we would be the good guys in any conflict.
October 15th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
*there is Six Parts
October 15th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Why send more people into wars!?
Infowars.com is really loosing it these days…. Obama is doing it to collect Nobel Peace Prizes ofcourse. Could there ever have been another reason for it?
October 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Just have to bring lucifer into it again; can’t let the beast rest.
October 15th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Chief export: Kush.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
How many people here have been to Iraq? How many have been to Afghanistan? Believe me; when a Marine or soldier is there and they are fighting, they don’t care much about the reasons. They care about the guy to the left and right of them and they care about surviving. Whether the cause is “just” or not, our servicemembers volunteered to stand up for what they thought was just. Don’t criticize the brave men and women- blame the front man to the NWO. Obama.
Also, don’t assume servicemembers are ignorant, non-thinking idiots. Some of the smartest, most educated (both scholarly and street-wise) people I have ever known have been in the military. A lot know about the NWO and do what they can everyday to do what is right.
October 15th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Вот бы еще по русски
October 15th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Ron Paul f---ing kicks ass! (though he wouldn’t be pleased with my language)
Anyone who cannot break their repbulcrat conditioning doesn’t deserve to listen to Dr. Paul. These are the idiots that will jump on the bandwagon once we take this country back.
Do not waste any time with these poor, weak, brainwashed individuals. They cannot think for themselves and are not worthy of the lessons of history.
IF IT IS ANY INCENTIVE…THE MOCKING WE EXPERIENCE NOW BY THE IDIOTS MENTIONED ABOVE WILL CHANGE TO PURE AMAZEMENT OF OUR FORESIGHT WHEN ALL OF THIS INFO COMES TO THE SURFACE AND IS COMMON KNOWLEDGE…LET THAT BE YOUR MOTIVATION IF YOU HAVEN’T YET COMPLETLEY DISCARDED YOUR EGO!
f--- THE NEW WORLD ORDER!
***By the way Fritz Springmeier has all of this put together if anyone wishes to check some of his lectures on Google Video
*****Pass Fall of the Republic to everyone willing to watch!!!!!!!!!!
October 15th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
We are not there to “save face”. We are there to expand the Amerikkkan empire.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
American To The Corps: How much bravery does it take to kill innocent civilians?
American To The Corps Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Innocent people get killed. It’s a very sad truth of conflict. However, the way some people make it seem is that villagers are rounded up and executed by coalition forces. Believe me, if our guys are being attacked from a town and there are innocents around, we do not return fire. Airstrikes are not authorized unless there is a confirmation of no friendlies in the area. You can question how much bravery it takes to kill innocent civilians, but you should ask how much restraint do we have by checking our fire and risking our own necks to make sure innocent people are not hurt.
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
what about a throw-down stateside?
American To The Corps Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
The shades of gray in combat now will be infinitely less clear. Let’s hope the rules of engagement are clear and the mission is well defined.
October 15th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
~ Hamburger Hill Meat Grinder ~
History recalls how great the fall can be
While everybody is sleeping the boats put out to sea
Borne on the wings of time
It seemed the answers were so easy to find
Too late, the prophets [profits] cry
The island is sinking let us take to the sky
Called the man a fool stripped him of his pride
Everyone was laughing up until the day he died
And though the wound went deep
Still he is calling us out of our sleep
My friends we are not alone
He waits in silence to lead us all home
Ventura Sheehan Perot Paul
Nader McKinney Kucinich Kaptur
Grayson Gravel Gonzalez Clemente
Choate Carter Baldwin Anderson
October 15th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
The Afghanistan occupation is actually an easy one. All we have to do is study the exact same stupid things we did wrong in Viet Nam. The other day, when 9 US soldiers died at a Village base (Fire Base), the commander of the group was calling and calling for air support. It never came. The reason it never came is that there are no clear cut orders or tactics to protect our soldiers in fire fights. No soldier or marine can protect himself under fire if they run out of amunition. This fire base had no back up. The central command of Afghanistan is playing footsey with a people who have never been conquored in history. The barren and dead mountain areas, which are the nation of Afghanistan, are the protection of all would be Taliban. The Taliban have been being supported by the rich in Pakistan, just to try to keep them in Afghanistan. The American Military command or your so called allied command, must have a shoot to kill order/ It also must no have fire bases connected to villages. In Viet Nam, we tried to befriend the villagers, it did not work. The Taliban will kill any Afghan who gives aid to the American(allies). It took The Soviet Union 10 years to leave. They should have stayed, and we should have not helped anyone. This nation must learn, and so far it is not, that some nations should be occupied! Also why is not the CIA excecuting all those in the Afghan Government who are mixed up in Dope. In Viet Nam we played with the Governmental puppets who shipped Heroin and we got slaughtered. Never back up a bad Government unless you own it. The Heroin from Afghanistan is costing us much. The United States must permantly stay in Afghanistan because the Taliban will take the country over faster than the North Viet Nam Government took Saigon in 1975, 2 days. The reorganization of re-education under the Taliban will cost 4 million Afghan’s to be executed. In Viet Nam it was actually 2.5 million and 9 million more in Laos and Cambodia. The Ron Pauls of the World are as bad as the Bush Family. Because they are not very intelligent and can’t figure out that a peasant with a gun at his/her head will always go with the gunman, can’t figure out anything. In order th control the entire Mid-East, The United States must maintain a ground force of 99,999 and complete helocopter support for those forces. This nation must assassinate all Afghan Puppet Governmental employees who are undermining the US efforts. I will sign this comment because I was in the last few months, (in and out, hip hops on corporate cintracts) in Saigon and I was a member of the Lansky Group also, plus I have been both a federal contractor, a full member of an organized crime family, and a Confidential Informant for the IRS-CID. Sincerely bigmikecraft (bigmikecraft.info)
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Since alexander the Great, (no-one has ‘taken’ Afganistan)- some things never change.
bigmike the idiot Reply:
October 16th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Sir with all due respect, you are an idiot. In order to end hostilities and drug trade in Afghnaistan, the americans would have to leave, then all problems would be solved. The drug trade is run by the CIA, M15 and other collaborators. The heroin trade was iradicated by the Taliban and re-established by the Americans, you have all your stories screwed up. When in doubt just remember, Americans bad, the rest of the world good, repeat it often enough perhaps it may sink into your fat ignorant skull.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Good article. So true.
October 15th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Here again. The big campaign promise by our lying illegitamite president is not being honored. He never intended to honor it. Lying globalist NWO scum.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
VERY TRUE RON PAUL, your excellency Sir!
I believe Mr.Paul, you are not as voice/speech effective as we wish…
Can you perhaps study voice or speech, such that your messages become 100%, or well 75% effective? Look I learned, long ago, in technical school, we can only satisfy 70% at most, since 30% are insatiable. But if you used a type of voice which could compete with that boob tube…compete and overcome the brainwash-programming 50 years of T.V. has (damage) caused.
Your words and thoughts are most excellent, Mr. Paul, Sir; But voice is everything to the dumbed-down…Please don’t believe I am unhappy with your comments;They are most true, most intelligable, to me. I am concerned for our brain-washed-bretheren…thats all.
God Bless you and all infowarriors.
Seal
October 15th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
The truth is…it’s more horrible then you can imagine!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Everyone is giving the NWO Globalist’s more brains & power than they have.
Fighting the NWO Global Take-over
You must be able to think on your feet,
and use this psy-ops technique when needed.
http://media.mtvnservices.com/......com:40319
Remember what they taught you in field training, some things just work every time !
Classic Reply:
October 15th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
That link is classic, man.
October 15th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
obama will fall!!
October 15th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
nancy polocy has no garndchilden
October 15th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Bottom line in any military operation, don’t f--- with commo !
http://media.mtvnservices.com/......com:40319
Even the psy-ops go through commo…
October 16th, 2009 at 1:42 am
What is This? The American people Want real news! we want to hear about John and kate
not this crap! ; )
October 16th, 2009 at 1:54 am
WE are there to build an oil and gas pipeline. No other reason.
October 16th, 2009 at 8:29 am
At the risk of casting pearls before swine:
This is not about winning a war or even a pipeline. It is about perpetuating war and expanding it globally until they finally tear down the old order. Then, when there is no vestige of the old order left, they intend to build their new order. What it is leading to is armageddon. They are doomed to fail and take the rest of the world down with them. The good news (gospel) is that they are doomed to fail. God exists and the spirit realm is more real than the physical because the physical was created from the spiritual.
http://www.thegoodseed.com/end.htm
October 16th, 2009 at 8:46 am
If the slavemakers could not make money their would not be US and European military there. Freedom, spread democracy, stop terrorists,blah,blah,and more blah.——————————————————————–THE WAR MACHINE
October 16th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
American To The Corps: “Innocent people get killed. It’s a very sad truth of conflict” Isn’t that a good reason to stay out of conflict?
If the military rounded up innocent villagers and executed them in Vietnam, what makes you so sure they’re not doing it now?
As for the rest of your post, if that’s the case, tell me how innocent civilians keep getting killed.
October 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
So nice blog! Thanks
October 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Thank you for good article!