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Secret DOJ Memo Says Fourth Amendment Has “No Application” After 9/11
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Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Thursday, April 3, 2008
The American Civil Liberties Union has uncovered details pertaining to a secret Justice Department memo from October 2001 that reveals the Bush administration effectively suspended the Fourth Amendment where domestic counter terrorism operations are concerned.
The ACLU reports that the memo states the "Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations." after 9/11. In other words, the DOJ gave the White House a green light to effectively shelve Constitutional protection against unreasonable searches and seizures in the wake of the terror attacks.
The memo was written by then deputy assistant attorney general John Yoo, also the co-author of the PATRIOT Act and author of the now notorious torture memos.
It is almost certain that Yoo’s memo was written to provide a legal basis for the NSA, a military intelligence agency, to begin its warrantless wiretapping program, which was initiated in the same month.
Just days after the memo’s delivery to the White House, Dick Cheney and other administration officials briefed four House and Senate leaders on the NSA’s secret terrorist surveillance program for the first time.
The existence of the 2001 memo came to light via a newly declassified March 2003 document from the Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel (OLC) entitled Military Interrogation of Alien Unlawful Combatants Held Outside the United States, which makes reference to the previous memo.
The ACLU reports that this second memo takes the erosion of the Constitution beyond the Fourth Amendment and makes the case that the central due process guarantee of the Fifth Amendment, the protection against deprivation of life, liberty and property, can also be bypassed by the President.
"This memo makes a mockery of the Constitution and the rule of law," said Amrit Singh, a staff attorney with the ACLU. "That it was issued by the Justice Department, whose job it is to uphold the law, makes it even more unconscionable."
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The March 2003 document was declassified by the Pentagon in response to a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by the ACLU pertaining to the torture of prisoners in U.S. custody abroad.
In a footnote of the document it is written "Our office recently concluded that the Fourth Amendment had no application to domestic military operations", referring to a document titled Authority for Use of Military Force to Combat Terrorist Activities Within the United States."
"The recent disclosures underscore the Bush administration’s extraordinarily sweeping conception of executive power," said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU’s National Security Project. "The administration’s lawyers believe the president should be permitted to violate statutory law, to violate international treaties, and even to violate the Fourth Amendment inside the U.S. They believe that the president should be above the law."
The AP reports that the Justice Department has refused to say if and when the legal opinion expressed in the two newly discovered memos was overturned internally, meaning that it could still be considered legally acceptable to forgo constitutional protections on the President’s say so.
The ACLU has challenged the withholding of the October 2001 memo and the issue is pending before the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.
These two new memos provide more sections in the vast jigsaw of legislation that when pieced together makes up the complete overturning by the current administration of the protections provided to American citizens by the Constitution .
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April 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 am
isn’t it great how the feds just DECIDE to throw out rules when the s--- hits the fan?
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:57 am
Do we even have a country anymore? I mean is this really the USA? Or is it just a police state in disguise?
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:04 pm
its not even funny how true that is
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Hey Jack,just like me in Kanada,we’ve NEVER had a country;just a name,just a label. They’ve been playing this game behind the scenes for decades. The sequence goes like this,I believe-tell them they have a country and when you decide to pull it out from under them just watch them go bananas(watch them go at each other’s throats). The result being a drop in the population and more resources for the Elite(rich). Any way and I mean any way to get the people to fight against each other. That IS their goal. It starts as a police state in its embryo and develops into a full blown police state. That’s the game. In the meanwhile(problem,reaction,solution) take out as many of the populace as possible because the world only has a certain amount of resources,and it is the very rich who plan on divvying out the resources IN THEIR WAY! We are dealing with very clever snakes. Very clever!
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Might as well become a terrorist if were all treated as such anyway. I would love to see these people die from shape charges blowing them to tiny bits. Whats the point of following law if none of them apply AFTER 911?
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 pm
If we are truly a government of the people and by the people…then why are we allowing this to happen. We need to take our country back. We are millions and they are so few. Alex Jones may very well be our “Swamp Fox”…
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
what so the 4th amendment doesn’t mean much to the bush administration- it means the world to the billions of americans.
you people need to start uniting against this crap. enough being pissed start taking action.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:16 pm
isn’t it great how the feds just DECIDE to throw out rules when the s--- hits the fan
They have been doing this since 911 and people still don’t get it
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Just a thought, does anyone ever take a step back and realize how incredible this all is? Everything we know? It’s like the movie the matrix, except there’s no physically different demention that we find ourselves in, once we know the truth. Instead, we find ourselves right in the middle of things, but based on our perception of the world, we might as well be in another demention. It’s something you never imagined until you realize how real it is.
And all this stepping back and thinking reminded me of Plato’s “Allegory of the Cave.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_cave
If you haven’t read it, you should.
Allegory of the cave – the Greek philosopher Plato
Imagine prisoners, who have been chained since their childhood deep inside a cave: not only are their limbs immobilized by the chains; their heads are chained in one direction as well so that their gaze is fixed on a wall.
Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which puppets of various animals, plants, and other things are moved along. The puppets cast shadows on the wall, and the prisoners watch these shadows. When one of the puppet-carriers speaks, an echo against the wall causes the prisoners to believe that the words come from the shadows.
The prisoners engage in what appears to us to be a game: naming the shapes as they come by. This, however, is the only reality that they know, even though they are seeing merely shadows of objects. They are thus conditioned to judge the quality of one another by their skill in quickly naming the shapes and dislike those who play poorly.
Suppose a prisoner is released and compelled to stand up and turn around. At that moment his eyes will be blinded by the sunlight coming into the cave from its entrance, and the shapes passing by will appear less real than their shadows.
The last object he would be able to see is the sun, which, in time, he would learn to see as the object that provides the seasons and the courses of the year, presides over all things in the visible region, and is in some way the cause of all these things that he has seen.
Once enlightened, so to speak, the freed prisoner would not want to return to the cave to free “his fellow bondsmen,” but would be compelled to do so. Another problem lies in the other prisoners not wanting to be freed: descending back into the cave would require that the freed prisoner’s eyes adjust again, and for a time, he would be one of the ones identifying shapes on the wall. His eyes would be swamped by the darkness, and would take time to become acclimated. Therefore, he would not be able to identify the shapes on the wall as well as the other prisoners, making it seem as if his being taken to the surface completely ruined his eyesight.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Lynch John Yoo, after a trial by his peers of course.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
Public memo #1 after 911 says if the US government does not follow the US constitution it is an illigitimate government.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:29 pm
And they know that no one has an answer on how to get it BACK. The Constitution, that is.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
you idiots HAVE NO RIGHT okay???? dont you understand???
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
We may have to remind our servants that rights are unalienable, that whether it’s the Fourth Amendment or any of the other enumerated God given rights, we protect them to the point of invoking the Second Amendment (the ‘teeth’ in the Supreme Law) when neccesary.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I fully agree with public memo man, the top government officials of the United States owe their positions to the US Constitution for which they took oaths. When they deny the legitimacy of the Constitution, they also deny the legitimacy of their own offices of power. By their own decisions, they are no longer in any way legitimate, and it is time for revolution. I do not recognize the United States government, and will no longer pay taxes to these criminals. What do I have to lose anyway, since they have prepared concentration camps for us which we all know soon will be in operation.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:49 pm
WHEN WILL YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND?
YOU HAVE NO MORE RIGHTS.
THE BILL OF RIGHTS,MUCH LIKE THE CONSTITUTION ARE OUTDATED IN A POST 9-11 WORLD
THE SOONER YOU GET ON BOARD WITH THIS THE BETTER OFF YOU WILL BE.
11MAY2008 ALL CITIZENS OF THE STATE OF AMERICA WITHIN THE CONTINENT OF NORTH AMERICA ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A NORTH AMERICAN UNION IDENTIFICATION CARD(REAL ID ACT) THIS IS FOR “YOUR SAFETY”
ALL THE CHANGES ARE BROUGHT ABOUT DUE TO THE DAILY TERROIST THREATS WE RECIEVE.
YOU WEREN’T REALLY USING THE RIGHTS WE ARE REMOVING ANYWAY.
IF YOU WERE THE SHEEPLE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MARCHING IN THE STREET DEMANDING “WE” CEASE OUR ACTIONS.
IT IS QUITE APPARENT TO YOUR “PROTECTORS” YOU ARE CONTENT TO SIT BACK ,WATCH THE TELEVISION,PLAY XBOX ,SURF THE INTERNET AND GOURGE YOURSELVES ON FAST FOOD.
STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WHAT “WE” DO FOR YOUR OWN GOOD.
REMEMBER- YOU ARE ONLY AS FREE AS “WE”LET YOU BE.
LONG LIVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Theres that little coward now! Gabriel will be around many years after you are dust big mouth. YOU KNOW ZIP. LOL
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:52 pm
George, thank you for post number 45. I had a feeling it would be an Iran thing, but didnt think it would be next month. Yikes.
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
EEER MEH NAH!! This one goes out to the doubters and haters. There is no NWO. There is no Illuminati agenda.Bush’s Grandad wasn’t a Nazi , and George Jr. and biz partners don’t bow to a big owl. Bildeberg doesn’t exist , no NAFTA highway. Our mondern history is no joke. Our politicians and industry leaders only want the best for us. Monsanto has no contract to change or destroy every living organism on earth. GMO’s , anthrax , mercury , flouride , lead , asperthame , and cloning are all very beneficial.Global warming is real. Nobody is spraying anything into the air. The governement has not been using alien/satanic technologies against the human race for over 60 years now.Oil is your freind. Money is all that really matters. Its not who you are but how others see you in their eyes. Airplanes brought down those towers. No bombs went off in the basement before , and no thermite was detected leaking from XX floors up nor under the site at any time.Oklahoma was racist terrorists. People at Waco were nuts. The Vatican city isn’t dripping with Satanic Paganistic Sun Worship. All leaders and rulers and successful men don’t ask Satan for their power.All beliefs leed to truth. Lucifer did not deceive. There is no god. Jesus won’t be back to save anyone or fix things. Oh and by the way………
APRIL FOOLS!!!!HAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
While we’re at it , a few more.
Stanksta has intelligence. SpankyMarine has some knowlegde and leadership to impart. Americans have a choice. people working for government spying on comment chats have a life. Military equals courage and bravery. Virgin pedophile Cheney fan has a point to his rants. And he does not do anything…down there…..to himself while scanning the chats. Hilary and Obama would give complete different world outcomes. PrankyMarine know what he’s talking about and has proof to back himself up. Pigs fly. Wrong is right. CFR has no influence. Niether the Club of Rome. Phil Spector was making it up , and he was shot by accident. Rothchilds and Rocafellers are completely sane. And , as you know………
APRIL FOOLS!!!
LMMFFARTFO HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHHH.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
In this post 9-11 America just uttering and expressing the opinions stated here in this blog is enough to label anyone expressing such thoughts as a questionable citizen that should be monitored and or perhaps added to some obscure secret government list that will come in to play when they start rounding up dissenters and any people who oppose the fascist government that currently controls our lives. Those cattle cars with shackles that people talk about is probably meant for people like you, so just remember that all thoughts that are not in support of our current government is a traitorous remark which could come back and haunt you. When these postings are printed out and used against you in a secret court you will understand why I comment as I do about being careful what you say because end the end it will all come back to haunt you and will be used against you to imprison you or mark you for execution.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:07 pm
if hillary gets elected men in this country, who go against her feminist movement, may be considered dissenters and hauled off…
IT’S ONE THING TO ELECT A WOMAN PRESIDENT. BUT IT IS ANOTHER THING IF SHE IS A HARDCORE FEMINIST.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:08 pm
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luggnutz Says: Cheney fan has a point The governement has not been using technologies against the human race Americans have a choice.
MR.LUGGNUTTZ GOOD TO SEE YOU ARE FINALLY COMING TO YOUR SENSES AND UNDERTANDING THAT YOU CANNOT BELIEVE WHAT YOU READ AND HEAR ON THE INTERNET.
THE ONLY “TRUE” NEWS IS ON AT 6 PM NBC NIGHTLY NEWS.ALL TRUTH ALL THE TIME.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE A POSITION WITH THE N.S.A. PLEASE FORWARD ME A COPY OF YOUR RESUME.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:10 pm
The entire Constitution has been ’shelved’ , they are just telling people little by little.
welcome to the NAU.
13*
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I’d only go to work just to get my foot in the door and chill for about a year. Then my goal would become to f--- everthing up from the inside. You don’t want me as an employee , just ask Satan. I’m his worst worker , never do what I’m supposed to and f--- everything up.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:15 pm
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luggnutz Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I’d only go to work just to get my foot in the door and chill for about a year. Then my goal would become to f--- everthing up from the inside. You don’t want me as an employee , just ask Satan. I’m his worst worker , never do what I’m supposed to and f--- everything up.
#
That’s called being a pathetic loser. And that is pretty much how your whole life has been.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:20 pm
This VP CHENEY FAN loves the NWO and is a typical anti-American scumbag!
Anything the Bush administration does is A-ok! These people will tell you to just get a grip it’s all ok and you’re insane if you believe anything in wrong! I don’t get why they bother doing it here.
They won’t get through to anyone here!
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Joseph I am so honored that you are so concerned for us.
Or are you really some paid dupe/dope/scum.
Why do you feel its necessary to come and warn us.
Your one of those boot lickers I guess.
A brown nose or is it brown head.
And did you know if the German people had stood up to Hitler at the start WW 2 would not have happened. Your cowering is pathetic.Better to have 1 day of liberty than 1000 days licking your masters you know whats.
Do you really think that not saying anything is going to make life easy for you. The weakening of the dollar and the coming financial implosion doesn’t discriminate. The goal of these lunatics is 80% population reduction. Do you really think you and your family and friends are going to be in the 20% that survive.
There are only two types of people in the NWO: those that think they are the masters and the slaves.
There really is no choice but to speak out.
Now go back in your room and lock the door.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:25 pm
THE WATCHER OF ALL Says:That’s called being a pathetic loser. And that is pretty much how your whole life has been.
Coming from an expert like you , I guess. Rather be a piece of s--- towards Satan and his system than Jehovah’s system.
THE WATCHER OF ALL Says:And that is pretty much how your whole life has been.
Ya might not want to stand in front of mirror when speaking this way. Getting yourself mixed up with me and all!
SHIFT CHANGE
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
VP CHENEY FAN IS A SCUMBAG Says: They won’t get through to anyone here!
MY BIGGEST FAN!!! AND I THOUGHT IT WAS LUGNUTZZ
ANYHOW,I ALREADY HAVE GOTTEN THROUGH OR ELSE YOU WOULD NOT HAVE RESPONDED,YOUR RESPONDING TELLS ME YOU DO HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT THE DIS INFORMATION BEING SPREAD ALL AROUND.
YOU SIR SEEM LIKE A “PLAY THE BOTH SIDES OF THE FENCE PERSON”….WHICH IN TODAYS POST 9-11 WORLD IS A GOOD THING ,ON THE “INSIDE” YOU HAVE WARNING AS TO WHAT IS COMING DOWN THE PIKE RIGHT?
LONG LIVE THE NEW WORLD ORDER
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:30 pm
Hey there guys, enjoying the web radio broadcast now, here in the soon to be communist block designated as the European Union.
I gotta commend you guys at Infowars.com, man, you guys do awesome work.
ONWARD, TO HOUR 3!!!
See you guys on the next top story.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:31 pm
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luggnutz Says:
NOW NOW MR.LUGNUTTZ “WATCHER”IS CORRECT IF YOU ARE TRULY HONEST WITH YOURSELF…BUT I UNDERSTAND IF YOU CANNOT BE HONEST…WHICH IS A HIGHLEY DESIRABLE TRAIT WE AT THE N.S.A. LOOK FOR IN OUR OPERATIVES…
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
DUTCH TOUCH__WHO LET YOU OUT OF THE “GULAG”!!!
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
VP CHENEY FAN , check comment 24. If still interested , give me a fax no. or an email to send C.V.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:33 pm
#23 dAN, WHAT DOES 13* STAND FOR?
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
TXGIRL , Dan was sending the comment to comment 13 ,
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Jonathan Rogers Says:
April 3rd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
you idiots HAVE NO RIGHT okay???? dont you understand???
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
John Yoo is a treasonist. Anyone in the gov’t who is aware of these memos and who kept silent is also a treasonist. Hopefully, they’ll all be executed. Every last person with prior knowledge of this should be euthanzied.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
13* = Stands for the New Flag of the Restored US Republic.
As Always.
13*
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:38 pm
Ok, Luggz, but I thought I saw it several times in his posts today……………..inquiring minds want to know
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Thanks, Dan. I just didn’t get it, haha.
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Yeah , but the Governmnents and leaders SURE DON’T!! Neither the dis-information TOOLS that visit us here!
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Hey, VP CHENY FAN, uh, Mr. DICK, did you get mad at me earlier today? I have a need to make a joke, and sometimes rhyme…….:)
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:55 pm
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TXGIRL
I NEVER GET “MAD” ANGRY,VINDICTIVE,UPSET,BUT NEVER NEVER “MAD”
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
HOW MANY OF YOU ON HERE HAVE WATCHED THE TELEVISION PROGRAM “JERICHO”?
April 3rd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
jericho rocks.
the only tv series i watch. well, on netflix.
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:08 pm
JERICHO is not just a television show…..it is a TRAINING FILM on what is coming
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:22 pm
#42, good, just checking………what about Jerico? I don’t watch it, but have been a fan of 24, for several years, does that make me a bad person? I was only watching in my one demsnsional little mind, not realizing my indoctrination was happening, haha
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
#45
I find the name of the show interesting. JERICHO.
Will Mossad controlled Jericho missiles be used in a false flag OP in good ol USA?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_missile
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:35 pm
LETS NOT FORGET, THE CONSTITUTION EMPOWERS THE GOV.
DISMISS IT AND THEY ABSOLVE THEMSELVES OF THE RIGHT TO REPRESENT US.
VE VA LE REVOLUTION.
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
JERICHO
I don’t know why Alex doesn’t like it……………Texas saves the day in the last show.
I loved the show………
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:38 pm
the missles dont have a long enough range.
they might as well use our own.
if anything jehrico isnt a training film, it is a warning.
putting out a training film like jericho would cause the people to overthrow the “new government”
unless it is all coming true and someone on the inside is warning us about a corprate take over of the government and one rouge black ops agent is going to save the country. lol.
if anything a training film would make people more obedient.
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:39 pm
#49
i thought alex did like it
April 3rd, 2008 at 2:44 pm
According to this article, the “Justice department” is now fully criminal. I guess “we the people” can safely identify yet another group of scum we will bring to real justice.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:06 pm
I am not surprised! What will the american people do about it? Nothing.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I suggest America watch “No More kings” (school house rock) and
know that the President George’s will go down in American history
as traitors to the people who gave their blood and very lives for a
free America, having handed America over to the lords of England.
George has now opned the door to allow foreign troops into your
land if you decided to rebel. You might as well be flying the flag of
England over the Whitehouse. And what can you do about it?
Absolutely nothing.
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Got that right Junglelord.
Americans are too busy watching television to care.
If you asked people on the street about the lies with Iraq and tried to use proven facts, they look at you like you are crazy.
I don’t know who is worse, the people who can’t deal with reality or the people in government who try to make people believe a fictitious one?
April 3rd, 2008 at 3:32 pm
Free The Planet is dedicated to the reawakening of the human race, in the hope that we might one day free ourselves from the totalitarian chains of the international banking elite.
It’s not the truth that hurts, it’s the lies that come before.
Peace and Positive Energy,
Citizen Z.
http://www.freetheplanet.info
April 3rd, 2008 at 4:06 pm
what a laugh these snakes must be having.
since childhood they have blinded us with television, deafened us with their whispers,
given us the ability to poison the very air we breath,
they have given us the choice, slowly kill yourself, or quickly or we’ll do it for you.
well i have had enough. have u ever tried to wake up the average robot…..
dont bother mate.
their dependent on the web of deciet and most are quiet numb .
some may become aware most won’t and if they did couldn’t precieve it never mind handle it.
for those who are aware its hard to go back but where not alone and more are rejecting the poison
and waking up.
WE defeat the global empire by ignoring it and live our lives by rejecting every paper chain they think they have locked us into.
all the best folks the pubs open he he
blessings on u all. ta
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:09 pm
Would someone please arrest the Bush administration…
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:12 pm
Why doesn’t the military go in and take over and arrest all of them and take over the media outlets. Arrest all of them for treason. They have to go in and save the country now. Arrest all the bankers and the Illuminati now!!!!!!!!!
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Because the military enjoy the perks,especially the perk of getting to shoot somebody and watching them slowly die. Soldiers like their women,wine and song and if their government can give that to them,well,dammit,they’ll take it. Just look at all the leaflets/flyers they send out in the mail now to try and recruit the unsuspecting.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
We hold these truths to be self-evident:
— That all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
— That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
— That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:45 pm
You do know that Bush and his administration have declared themselves absolved of retribution for anything that may happen during their office, from after 9-11 onward, right?
It evidently didnt bother the American people when he signed that amendment, even if it was without consulting his country folk. But its bothering America now. What can you do? Can you impeach a president who is immune from prosecution? Of course, it applies to his cousin Cheney, too.
Maybe recount the votes Miss Mckinney refers to, declare his Presidency void and cancel all his amendments/policies made since taking over (literally, perhaps) the Whitehouse? Might be interesting to listen to her again.
Perhaps you can crash the Fed Res by declaring yourselves offended by the 1957 insertion of ‘Under God’, to the allegiance, because it means you are no longer ‘indivisible’, then demand the removal of ‘In God we Trust’ from the dollar. The feds would have to call in all the dollars and re-issue them. That should dent their profit margin. Mind you, its fake money, so does it make any difference? And think of the trees..
You can then reclaim your own chosen God/Godess if you wish, and make personal choices on their future your own.
April 3rd, 2008 at 5:49 pm
I didn’t know black ops wore rouge . . .
April 3rd, 2008 at 6:04 pm
The Christian church is now forced to believe that being Gay will bring you closer to God, and if you don’t like it, you are evil. You can no longer pray in school, if you don’t like it, who cares.
There are endless reports of Christians working in Government getting laughed at and made fun of. So where is the Christian community? The Christian American is the only one who can speak up and change the government, but is too busy hating Muslims and looking up to the sky for Jesus to come down and leave the suckers behind. If Jesus didn’t return to save the Christians from the Bolshevik revolution in Russia, why would he….oh, yeah, your American’s. That means your more important in God’s eye’s, so you’ll be saved from having to try and stop the evil empire. And what will the answer from the current government be to all those lazy Sunday Christians crying for help, when they are rounded up and put into the death camps?
“So” – Dick (KING) Cheney
April 3rd, 2008 at 6:16 pm
DOJ says 4th amendment has “no application” after 911- huh? What does, Skull & Bones? The Freemasonic order? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 3rd, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Why does the DOJ have the right to unreasonable searches in siezures. Look at the tale end of the pledge of Alliegence “With liberty and justice for all (zionists and masons)”
April 3rd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
I think the title of the article is wrong. It should say “American people have decided that DOJ has no application after 9/11″.
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:22 pm
The military wont do anything to stop the erosion of the constitution, the largest majority of the military leaders are in on the deception. If you dont believe it just google Kay griggs and see what she has to say about her military ex husband and his high up buddies breaking every law of humanity!
Then check out Robert Menard, a Canadian FREEMAN ON LAND. He chose to not be part of the fraud of society along with many others and now the movements going viral. You can see his info at:
http://video.google.com/videop.....;plindex=2
Then read this free Ebook by Mary Croft for another explanation of the solution to ALL of this!
http://www.natural-person.ca/pdf/mary_croft.pdf
I only hope we can get this movement taking root here in the USA. STOP complaining about the problems and start choosing the solutions. Protesting, writing, calling and complaining will do NOTHING! This info is the answer many of us have been searching for!
Choose FREEDOM! NOT enslavement.
God Bless
April 3rd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
For the people that don’t know what is stated in the 4 Amendment: Peoples homes may not be searched without a warrent. Warrents can be obtained through a judge only if the police show a probable cause. The sad part is that people dont realize that the Patriot act violates the 4 Amendment.
April 3rd, 2008 at 10:20 pm
neagles
In response to your #50
Range makes no difference because a JERICHO warhead could be detonated in a tractor trailer or a box car or Warehouse…
It DOES make a difference that a US warhead NOT be used in a false flag US operation because the isotopes can be traced back. If they are actually worried about that, granted.
The Isotopes from a JERICHO could be retrofitted to appear as an (let’s say) Iranian bomb. The Israeli weapons manufactures of JERICHO missles have been selling their nuke tipped variety to the Saudi’s for years.
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:40 pm
WE SING AND DANCE AND CARRY ON, ON STRETCHERS WE ARE CARRIED ON, TO THE GRAVE AS CARRION! #61 , unfortunately I agree, but would the current order be replaced with what?
April 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 pm
By the way, how does the 4th stand up to forfeiture asset laws under the BATFE?????
April 4th, 2008 at 4:20 am
unfortunately I agree, but would the current order be replaced with what?
i hope truly educated, perhaps some war experienced, but mostly i want leaders with real intent, not flip flopping riverdancers. America needs real harsh changes, the harshness needs to visit the fat bloody leech for once.
April 4th, 2008 at 5:28 am
“Still, if you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves.”
– Winston Churchill
April 4th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Crazy people
April 4th, 2008 at 5:41 am
If Crooks, Crackheads, Gangsters, Punks,US Government and Perverts Are Making Your Life a Living Hell…Don’t Despair…You CAN always kick their butts back to the caves.
Since the problem stems from those with dual citizenships,force them back to zionist israel where they belong!
They are “scum” and should be treated accordingly,instead of acting like they are anything related to humans!
WOOOHOOO!
April 4th, 2008 at 6:04 am
http://www.realityzone.com/20080328.html
A MARCH ON WASHINGTON WOULD BE POINTLESS
Dear Mr. Griffin,
I have been watching the HBO Series on John Adams. It is poor history, written by the elite who control the writing of history. But it reminds me of something that is actually true: the colonists decided to go into council to work toward forming a colonial Congress and, ultimately, a colonial government. It was a structure that ran counterpoint to the British government of the time. And it gained what it sought: our independence from British rule (although it did not disconnect us from certain British customs, like government debt and central banking).
At present there are those who advocate a march on Washington. What is this really? A sign of support for Ron Paul? An abject rejection of government policy through a symbolic march of solidarity? Or is it like the march of 1970 and recently, a social concourse where people who marched can ask each other questions like these (I heard these post 1970 and post 2004): “Where were you durimg the march?” “Oh, we were at the Lincoln momument, right after we swam in the reflecting pool.” “Oh how cool!!” We swam there too! Did you see the National Guard?? They wanted to swim too, poor bastards.” “Yeh?! Well, maybe next time!” And so forth and so on. Pointless.
I suggest that those who wish to see the restoration of the Constitution, the return of commodity money (i.e., gold), the end of tyranny, and so on must meet only to form a new government. I suggest we meet to form a new, Constitutional government. I call all of us to meet in Philadelphia, or New Haven, or Kansas City, or Des Moines, or Green Bay, and/or Fort Worth, Santa Fe, Seattle, Honolulu, Fairbanks, or Cincinnati to form a new government based on our Constitution.
Further, I cal upon all patriots to not vote in the 2008 elections, except by demanding a write-in, paper ballot upon which to write Ron Paul’s name only. The rest of the election, for local politicians could be done, but only for state pr local politicians (and only those who have clearly announced their plans to push their state for withdrawal from this oppressive union — with, or without naming Lincoln as an enemy of the Republic), and not for any Congrssperson unless s/he has thoroughly described his or her plan for the end of the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and the reduction (by 60 to 70%) of the Federal government.
We need to form our own government and call to our fellow citizens to join us. We need to remind them of how this country was formed. A march on Washington is only a social affair, marketing for fool’s folly. Without all patriots forming a new government, we form cadres to participate in charades. The power elite smiles…
G.M.
COMMENT FROM GEG
There is much to like in these comments. Freedom Force is based on the concept that coming to power is the missing step in most freedom movements. Writing letters, signing petitions, and participating in marches by themselves have no chance of toppling the elite from their fortresses. If we ever expect to bring about the changes we seek, we must develop strategies that hold the possibility of our becoming masters of our own governments .
The colonial experience is instructive. Colonial governments were fully functioning PRIOR to the revolution. They had political structure, laws, leaders, courts, tax funding, and an armed militia. Furthermore, the leaders of the movement were the LEADERS of these governments as well. Without this, there would have been no revolution.
We may fantasize about creating a new government with sufficient military power to challenge the existing one and doing it right under the noses of those to be dethroned, but it only takes a moment’s reflection to realize that such a strategy would be doomed to failure. We would not be left alone for a hundred years to build our governments and militias without opposition.
Today, there is only ONE strategy open to us, and that is the non-military strategy advocated by Freedom Force: to become influential within the power centers of society and, by this means, gradually to replace our collectivist leaders, through legal and constitutional means, with leaders who will honor and protect our freedoms.
Still, the concept of massive marches may have merit if they are viewed, not as a mechanism by which change will be made directly, but as one by which morale can be built among participants. Soldiers need their morale boosted from time to time, especially when the battle is not going well. If we recognize that marches are not ends in themselves, but are means of showing strength and solidarity and demonstrating to the public that we are large in number, it may be possible to break through the media blackout of our existence, and it will lift the spirits of those who march. If that is the short-term goal, and if the long-range goal of recapturing control of the power centers in not forgotten, and if a very large number of participants really could be mobilized, then I think a march on Washington would be highly beneficial.
G.M. IS RIGHT
Ed,
G.M.is right, we ought to start the long term process of forming a new constitutional government. Where to begin?
The Founding Fathers did it with the First Continental Congress in 1754. It met briefly then set up its successor, the Second Continental Congress, which organized the Americans into war against Britain. The two bodies together comprise the Continental Congress. The First Continental Congress was held in Philadelphia in 1774, with 55 members representing all American colonies except Georgia.
I suggest that we hold a Third Continental Congress and do it at the Balsams Hotel in Dixville Notch, NH. Ron Paul could speak. NH is the best place to do this. Anyone can carry firearms. Our local law don’t like the Feds. Things just go easier here for anti-establishment events.
Dixville Notch is perfect for such an historical event. It’s pro-political. It’s famous for being the first precinct to vote, close, and publish its vote in every presidential election. Those of us in the Liberty Movement know the management. They are politically independent and have always been cooperative with libertarians.
I suggest that each state send two non-elected representatives. It does not matter one wit how they are determined. Any state having more than two representatives show up can choose their own two on the spot. Word out is the systemic economic crash will happen by Sept, 2008, and martial law by Feb. 2009. We don’t have much time. We need to get going now.
For Responsible Liberty,
John M. Barnes, J.D.
Emeritus LPNH
April 4th, 2008 at 6:10 am
THEY ALL NEED TO HANG FOR TREASON.
April 4th, 2008 at 6:46 am
I support the Third Continental Congress, Mr. Barnes.
April 4th, 2008 at 7:48 am
This is something that cannot be glossed over!!!!!!!
Where is the outrage!
April 4th, 2008 at 8:12 am
The other day I was listening to my local commercial free radio statio here in Charlottesville, VA who were in the process of raising donations to keep them from having to accept corporate funding to stay on the air. I got to thinking this would be a great alternative to a bloody confrontation. What if We The People had a national fundraiser to buy back Congress? This tactic has worked for corporations for decades. If Congress is for sale, why can’t We own it?
Think about it: After We buy them back, they will again work for Us. They will be required to:
1. Restore the Constitution.
2. Rid Washington of neo-cons, corporate lobbyists, etc.
3. Abolish the IRS.
4. Shut down Federal Reserve and retore Our monetary system.
The list goes on’ feel free to add to it.
From then on, instead of a federal income tax we could have a nominal national flat tax which would be used to outbid corporations trying to hijack the government.
Don’t laugh at this. It could actually work! The vast majority of Congress doesn’t care about the neo-con agenda. They like being in office because of the perks that go along with it. Right now, We The People have more money than all the corporations put together. Why not use it to Our benefit before it is taken away from Us?
April 4th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Why can’t we just close the whole system down? Evidently, their not working for us. We’d be better off on our own.
April 4th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Can you say impeachment for the whole damn lot of them.
April 4th, 2008 at 9:00 am
I agree. If they are for sale we the people should own them. Why have we not thought of this before?
April 4th, 2008 at 10:46 am
They can say whatever they want it makes no difference to us we care about what they say about as much as they care about us! no 2 no 4 lets just see about that! All infowarriors should move to Alaska(anc)so we can overthrow the rep. party and local and state gov and take the power back brick by funking brick!Gold,oil,buds our BIG 3!!!
April 4th, 2008 at 11:04 am
HSUS help the neocons strip off our constitutional protections one by one; for the moment the neocons aid HSUS in eradicating pets and privately owned farm animals. All who fail to think things through but react only emotionally tend to believe there’s nothing at all wrong with anonymously made charges of animal cruelty (which cruelty may or may not exist in reality) today being used as the cover for current warantless property invasions up through taking of animals as property prior to any court hearing.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Eighty percent of the jobs in this country are provided by small business. If you really want to mess with the fiat machine just LOB one at them. Called a Leave of Absence. Fight fire with fire. Now Mr. Paulson,Ben and W can we talk. Oh, and Knight rider Al your invited to.
April 4th, 2008 at 11:40 am
PeacefulSolution- I don’t want violence in the streets no more than you do !! But the fact that Congress has proven it is no doubt for sale, I’ll be damned if I could participate in “buying” something that my vote “supposedly” already did !! Although, I see you point, if you can’t beat ‘em, BID HIGHER !! That is very sad that our country is to this point !! Trouble is, that American’s are scratching for work thesedays, and there were many folks who gave $20 to Ron Paul’s “moneybomb” days that really had another use for that money ! They just hoped & prayed their tiny $20 donation would somehow make a difference. That leads me to the plan of “rebuying Congress” back. AMERICANS CAN’T AFFORD THE GAZILLIONS IT WOULD TAKE TO ACCOMPLISH ! And I mean GAZILLIONS !! Remember you’re up against Big Pharma & Big Oil, amongst others and all our jobs are in Mexico & C. America !!! Violence is NOT the answer, but I’m mighty afraid history will repeat itself. The biggest think people need to see/hear IS THAT EVERY POINT THAT RON PAUL HAS BROUGHT UP PUBLICLY, be it monetary, healthcare, foreign policy, etc. WE ARE LIVING IT TO THE LETTER !! And the Fed and the “mega banks” are at the center of the controversy !!! But the MSM saw to it that his points were quickly “brainwashed away” with their “spewing propaganda” !!! There’s a clip on YouTube as to why, it’s subject line is “Why Ron Paul did not win the Florida Primary”. Watch it !! You’ll see that “the way they dress, the way they DANCE (WHAT ? I didn’t say it !!), and of course “what their parents said” !!! Not ONE PERSON could quote A STAND ON AN ISSUE of their “favorite” candidate” !!! So the truth is they could be voting for Satan and yet THEY DON’T KNOW S**T ABOUT HIM !!!! ITS SO DAMN SAD NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE !!