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Sensenbrenner Says Real ID Would Have Prevented 9/11 Terrorists From Boarding Planes
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Penny Starr
CNSNews
November 4, 2008
Panelists with the Stop Real ID Coalition are calling for repeal of the Real ID Act of 2005, which they said violates states’ rights and the U.S. Constitution and creates a national identification card that gives the government the ability to monitor citizens and invade their privacy.
But Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner (R-Wis.), who helped write the bill with the House Judiciary Committee, said if the law had been in place before Sept. 11, 2001, the 19 terrorists could not have boarded the planes that they crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon.
“We use driver’s licenses as identification documents, because there is no national identity card, and I would submit that we would have a greater push for a national ID card in the Congress if we didn’t have Real ID,” Sensenbrenner told CNSNews.com.
“(Real ID) just firms up the state driver’s licenses as a way to prevent a loophole in the system that 19 terrorists were able to exploit to pull off the biggest domestic tragedy in the history of our country.”
He also said the Real ID Act is based on the recommendations of the bi-partisan 9/11 Commission.
“The reason this is necessary is that the 9/11 Commission found that the 19 hijackers had valid driver’s licenses issued by five states and they all had multiple driver’s licenses,” Sensenbrenner said.
“There are two principles involved in Real ID. One is: one person, one license; and the other is: no driver’s licenses for illegal immigrants or people who are not legally present in the United States,” he said.
Panelists at the press conference were billed as “diverse” and “bipartisan” and included representatives of the American Civil Liberties Union, American Center for Law and Justice, American Policy Center, Liberty Coalition, and Republican state Reps. Sam Rohrer of Pennsylvania and Charles Key of Oklahoma.
They presented a long list of reasons why they opposed the legislation, including the claim that Real ID would force states to comply with the law, which Key said inspired him to draw up his own state amendment to challenge it.
“Key’s amendment draws a line in the sand and tells the government, you must cease and desist from threatening the sovereignty of the states,” said Mark Lerner, co-founder of the Stop Real ID Coalition.
Sensenbrenner, however, said that Real ID does not force states to comply.
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“The Real ID is consistent with federalism, because it is voluntary,” Sensenbrenner said. “However, if the state chooses not to comply with Real ID, then their citizens have to get some type of federally accepted ID for federal purposes,” including for boarding aircraft.
The law mandates that the federal government cannot accept a state driver’s license for “any official purpose” unless it meets the minimum requirements of Real ID – those rules require, among other things, state entities that issue driver’s licenses to confirm the authenticity of documents needed to get a license.
Panelists also claimed that the Real ID law would create a central database with “biometric” information that the government and the agencies that operate it can share at will, even with the governments of other countries.
“That is absolutely false,” Sensenbrenner said. “Real ID does not create a new database. What Real ID does is it requires states to check applicants against databases that are already maintained by the other states.
“And this is the same system that has been used for almost 20 years to check out whether someone who applies for a commercial driver’s license has a valid commercial driver’s license issued by another state,” he added.
Some panelists said they opposed the Real ID Act, because it infringes on people’s privacy by requiring driver’s licenses to include personal information, such as political or religious affiliation.
But according to the law, the information required only includes an individual’s full legal name, date of birth, gender, driver’s license number, a digital photo, address of principle residence, and the individual’s signature. The law does call for “physical security features” and “common machine-readable technology” to make checking data between states possible.
“That’s the kind of information that has been on people’s driver’s licenses for as long as I can remember,” Sensenbrenner said, adding that making state driver’s licenses compatible is necessary to make the system work. “There has to be some kind of uniformity involved so that the databases match up.”
But panelists painted a picture of a much more sinister system that puts private information about U.S. citizens in the hands of corporations, or what Rohrer described as “big business entities.”
“That’s a joke,” Sensenbrenner said. “The 9/11 Commission was not in the pocket of corporations. Real ID came out of a recommendation of the 9/11 Commission, purely and simply. And the 9/11 Commission said implicitly that false identification documents are as important to terrorists as explosives.”
In fact, he added, Mohammed Atta, the mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, could have been thwarted from carrying out his plans if the Real ID Act was in place. The law says temporary licenses should be issued to people who are only in the country temporarily, including the kind of student visa Atta carried.
“The reason he was able to use his Florida driver’s license to get on the plane is that he got a six-year driver’s license for a six-month visa,” Sensenbrenner said.
The coalition said that nearly half the states have spoken out against the Real ID Act of 2005 and some, including Oklahoma, have said they will not comply.
Although the May 2008 deadline for states to sign on has passed, the Department of Homeland Security reports that states that request an extension will have until Dec. 31, 2009 to meet federal requirements for state driver’s licenses. Some states could qualify for an extension date of May 10, 2011.
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November 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
All we need is one more act of “Terror” and it will pass
November 4th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
REAL ID = A REAL LIVE SATANIC DICTATORSHIP TO TRACK AND TRACE ALL OF US.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
REAL ID = A REAL LIVE SATANIC DICTATORSHIP TO TRACK AND TRACE US ALL.
November 4th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Lets just save ourselves a ton of money and put an armed US marshall on every plane. (I know that will never happen but it’s worth a try)
November 4th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
With all the technology available world-wide, I would imagine that false REAL ID cards could be had rather easily for the right amount of money. This national ID requirement must be withdrawn in order to protect the privacy of all Americans. Statements from “the powers that be” stating they won’t be used for other purposes is pure CRAP. Has the Federal Govt. ever lied to you before? Contact your state congressmen demanding your state not participate in this national disgrace! God Bless Oklahoma!
November 4th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
what a load of s---
November 4th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
How in the hell could real ID have prevented the 9/11 terrorist from boarding a plane when none of them appeared on any of the flight manifest? It was an inside job and now they are just pushing their agenda to chip us all.
Aside from the government staging terror on planes (shoe bomber etc.) there are no terrorist getting on planes to hijack them. The phony war on terror is a war on you and real ID is for you and nobody else. Give people back their damned toothpaste, shoes and bottled water and lets get back to just checking bags at the gate. Living in fear accomplishes NOTHING and real id will solve NOTHING!
November 4th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
Like Aaron Ruso said, put that chip in it and if we misbehave, turn off the chip – access to our bank accounts – then we’ll starve and turn into animals in a struggle to survive.
Ack!
November 4th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
the terrorist could not be stoped with a real id when the issuer of the real id is the terrorist-this makes me sick at my stomach-if we could lock up or capitol punish the real terrorist we could sleep safe and with dignity-if our country really wanted to take out a state enemy-we could wipe them of the civilized map-if you cant fight to win-get naked and make love
November 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
Those who can not understand do no deserve life.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Give us a break. When did ID ever stop anyone from doing anything? This is so ridiculous. As a teenager I knew many kids getting into bars underage by just having a little know how. What a crock of BUSHs---. A very dangerous one to boot. This is just another tool for New World Order.
November 4th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
What’s wrong with Sensenbrenner? After all this time, he still doesn’t seem to get it.
Regardless of the subject at hand, he always seems to vote with the neocon agenda. As a Wisconsin resident, I’m more than a little on the disappointed side with him.
November 4th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
ok Sensenbrenner.. write the 19 terrorists names, which plane they boarded, and give your proof.
I bet they’d agree to drop the issue if you provide that. Simple enough, eh ?
November 4th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
To counter Sensenbrennber I would have to say if the powers that be would have listened to the forewarnings { Sibel Edmonds to name one} I doubt very much if the ”the terrorists” would been able to board anyway.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
it certainly didn’t prevent their passports appearing from the rumble of WTC NY.
November 4th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
but what about the pilots license issued to them by the FAA? how did that happen? and the training they had flying from u.s. military bases? dont forget about that.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
If the powers that be want to pull off a false flag, how on earth can an ID card (RFID) stop them. If they employ law enforcement, is the dog (pig more like!!!!) going to bite the hand that feeds? The problem is corruption and the twisted agendas of the elite. The i just follow orders or people die attitude of the underlings (government lapdogs) is also part of the problem.
Back to watching the puppet race!
November 4th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I’ve gone to town hall meetings with Sensenbrenner, normally to argue on the trade issue with. I really don’t think he’s playing with a full deck on this one.
November 4th, 2008 at 8:42 pm
The real terrorists have ID’s and it did not stop them, you know our government officials responsible for the 911 attacks.
Really Id’s stop nothing they just make it easy for the gov to track people and pin s--- on those they do not want arond.
But the chip wil stop all of this, and the National Id is the beginning process of the Chip. Hell they are putting chips in kids in florida now using the fear of abduction.
Your elected officials mean nothing because no matter how they vote you will see the NWO agenda play out. Obama will get in and just more of the same old, but he will speed things up quicker, especially if someone bumps him off, which I see coming .
November 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pm
Get out sensenbrenner you are a loser!!!
Would the real id (mark of the beast) have stopped bush and his cronies from filling the towers and building 7 with explosives?
Americans won’t comply with your real id mark of the beast. 2 seconds in the microwave on high ought to do it!!!!
November 4th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Of course, like a used car salesman, Sensenbrenner or anyone pushing for this card is going to say that it would have and will prevent acts of terrorism. They will say anything to sell their junk.
November 4th, 2008 at 10:07 pm
-Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative-
The Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative is a result of the Intelligence Reform and Terrorism Prevention Act of 2004 (IRTPA), requiring all travelers to present a passport or other document that denotes identity and citizenship when entering the U.S.
The goal of the initiative is to strengthen U.S. border security while facilitating entry for U.S. citizens and legitimate foreign visitors by providing standardized documentation that enables the Department of Homeland Security to quickly and reliably identify a traveler.
Also see: “Western Hemisphere Transportation Initiative”
November 4th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
The sole defining purpose of the 5-11 Campaign is to stop Real ID’s from being implemented; more specifically to the State residents of Texas.
5-11 or May 11th is an associative moniker representing the advent of Real-ID’s or the implementation of the Real ID Act of 2005 beginning May 11th, 2008.
The intent was to instantly associate the average citizen with the act of having a Real ID card; sounding akin to another defining disaster that poised the US taxpayer as a fiscal and strategic resource for Globalist agendas – September 11th or 9-11.
The 5-11 Campaign Committee: Americans [Texans] Against Real IDs is a non-profit grassroots campaign to lobby for the full repeal and/or to fitfully stop all spending motions to implement Real ID’s. http://www.511campaign.org/AboutUs.html
November 4th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
As it happens there were no “hi-jackers” on 9/11.
see http://www.sxolsout.110mb.com/11aa.html
November 4th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
OOOP’S above link should be
As it happens there were no “hi-jackers” on 9/11.
see http://www.sxolsout.110mb.com/p11aa.html
November 5th, 2008 at 1:47 am
On the USA Visa application form there is a question that asks “ARE YOU NOW OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION” so I guess they expect that the terrorists will tell the truth and will be denied entry because of their honesty.
November 5th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Not when you have been hired by the CIA to carry out attacks. Some of the people listed as 911 terrorist we actually on the terror watch list, but immigration officials were told to let them in.
November 5th, 2008 at 8:34 am
uno-if there ever was a terrorist on those flights;if the pilots,crew and passengers could carry guns-the high jackers would not have made it far-i remember them reporting soon after 911 that the brazillians do not have high jackings cause they all carry hand guns-you cant carry any caliber larger than 32acp on board a flight-justst a thought
November 5th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Beat the international banking scheme.
The Liberty Wealth Club.
http://www.becomericher.info
November 5th, 2008 at 9:15 am
This guy hasn’t a clue! I have been involved working with Sam R. here in Pa. Sam knows exactly what he is saying,Real ID is a defacto ID card,no question! Real ID is right in there with global control like NAIS (National animal ID System) and chipping people as being a tool to bring everyone under control of the elites, I fear for our future and for liberty and individuality in general,we now have a prez elect that has all the power(illegally gotten by Bush) it remains to be seen how he uses it or abuses it,we have to keep sounding the alarm and fighting for liberty,individual liberty, so that we can all remain free,not just the select few! Speak out and support these champions of liberty like Sam!
November 5th, 2008 at 9:19 am
the 19 terrorists..the bbc found quite a few of them alive and well living their lives as normal. As for ID cards their a load of wank theyre trying this s--- here in the UK using the whole fraud and terrorism argument but theyre failing miserably.
November 5th, 2008 at 10:34 am
As would have a truly constitutional government free of entangling alliances and criminal
operators such as Cheney and corporate thugs.
What a bunch of useless blabber. Until 95 percent of the brain-dead populace actually read
and comprehend the Constitution, we are doomed.
A people this stupid, this lazy, this craven, deserve the all the corruption they can swallow.
November 5th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
9/11 was an inside job…there were no terrorists, it’s just an elaborate story made up by the government
THIS IS GENOCIDE
40 people were killed in a US air strike in southern Kandahar province.
Many more were wounded when a wedding party was hit.
If you american cowards fight without using GENOCIDAL missile strikes the Taleban would kick you out like they did to the Russians.
November 5th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
As we all sit here and focus on the CARD itself, we are not thinking about an important part.
The procedures to implement REAL ID…
They will need:
A PRIVATE company to research the best card,
A PRIVATE company to manufacture the card-making machine, (Diebold?)
A PRIVATE company to manufacture the card itself,
A PRIVATE company to manage the databases,
A PRIVATE company to oversee SECURITY of the information,
A PRIVATE company to manufacture hand-held card-readers,
A PRIVATE company to train operators of said devices,
A PRIVATE company to SELL you and VALIDATE your card on a bi-annual basis for $49.50.
Sounds like a SCHEME to me.
November 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pm
Real ID came by recommendation of the 9/11 Commission?
And the 9/11 Commission says…?
That’s enough for me to know it can’t be good.
All the 9/11 commission really states is a buch of lies.
November 6th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
As long as the system is controlled by filth there is no hope of any good operative to help defend the constitution against its enemies both foreign and DOMESTIC!!!!!!
ABLE DANGER were doing a good job and they were ignored, bound and gagged. Think about that.
Just like JFK, anyone that fights for justice gets a bullet in the head.
God bless the good agents who fight the GOOD fight.
November 6th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
someone ought to grab hold of this creep and explain to him with a piece of 2×4 that the only thing that would have prevented 9/11 is a world without the illuminati, world elite ect, a world where all the big brother technology is only used on the goverments so they have no opportunity to become corrupt!
The peace loving patriots of every country globally could then watch them 24/7 and only those who had the best intrests of the said ppl of each country would have any intrest in becomming a part of the goverment.
let them be chipped whilst they serve thier country and extract chips and cease the survielence on them once thier term of service to the ppl ends or they choose to resign.
November 7th, 2008 at 3:36 am
If people like Sensenbrenner, Bush, the CIA and friends would have been in prison, events like 911 could have been prevented.
November 8th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Totally agree with Mark #39
Haven’t they found passport of the “TERRORIST”(somehow survived the inferno that steel frame could not) HaHaHa near the twin towers???
Passport is a form of ID, or am I wrong?
November 8th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
It’s true, if every Terrorist has it stated on his Id card that he is a Terrorist, all the police have to do is ask to se their Id and it will be there in black and white on the Card ‘Terrorist, arrest immediately.
The ID card is not to catch terrorists, its to control what you can and cannot do, fall foul of the Govt and they will simply switch off your card.
http://www.infowars.com/articl.....lation.htm
November 17th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Why would the media and government lie about 911? Sure they lied about WMD’s in Iraq, torture, deplete uranium use in Iraq, and rendition flights….but why would they lie about 911? Sure the media and government lied about outing agents names, actions taken during Katrina, retaliations against attorney generals for political reasons, threatening Congress, blackmailing Senators…but why would they lie about 911?
Eliminated habeas corpus, installed and supported Blackwater, “lost” trillions of dollars at the Pentagon, privatized the entire US infrastructure, illegally used funds meant to “rebuild” Iraq, immunity for telecoms and pharmaceutical…but why would the media and government lie about 911? Sure they lied about the massacres in Haiti, stole the elections in 2000 and 2004, detonated the levees in New Orleans 2 days after Katrina left, misquote world leaders to produce fear…though why would they lie about 911? They lied about water contaminations, toxic exposures, global warming, immigrant roundups, number of deaths of Iraqi and Afghanistan civilians, number of killed US soldiers, pillaging of our entire US financial banking with corporate give outs and bailouts, secretly changing executive orders however they wish, medical associations in charge of CIA torture…..but why would the media and government lie about 4 planes crashing at 4 locations on 911?
Pillaged Billions from the US education system with No child left behind, encouraged massive real estate fraud through deregulation and zero oversight, deposits nuclear waste on US soil from foreign countries by “redefining” what waste is, covers Halliburton’s selling of nuclear technology, eliminates protections for whistleblowers, hires out torture worldwide to private companies, allows for the greatest crop of heroin to grow in Afghanistan, and refuses to say where trillions have gone within the Homeland Security agency….though why would they lie about 911? Largest number of felons every hired at the white house, intentionally destroyed Iraqs water and energy systems, continually destroys labor unions and environmental causes, brutalizes and tortures protesters or “homegrown enemy combatants”, highest number of dual citizens in top key government positions in US history….though why lie about 911?
Threatens countries such as Paraguay, Pakistan, Iran, North Korea, Russia, Venezuela with military action if they don’t play ball, murder Supreme Court justices to open up seats, destroys all evidence of 911 and never allows for any testing, refuses to have an investigation of 911 for almost 2 years then gets to decide who will be on the panel, murders thousands of witnesses and legally threatens many more who wish to come forward regarding 911…..though why would the media and government lie about 911? Spy on their own citizens illegally, murder journalists worldwide, eliminate tort reform, uses child wards to test AIDS drugs, destroy parental rights, manipulate and threaten science worldwide, allow media to legally lie with new laws, install puppet Governors such as Arnold in California (met with Ken Lay just before “recall”), demolish labor laws worldwide…though why would they lie about 911?
There is a new film and 2 new books coming out that will make Alex Jones, Michael Moore, and Jason Burmas films look like childs play. Stay tuned because it will be released overseas first because it names EVERY name and gives 1000’s of examples. Guess who will cover it up and lie? The US media and government. So…..why would they lie about 911????
November 26th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
They dont care if they violate a Citizens rights or States rights. National Identification card to cover for the inept and incompetent/complisant federal employees that allowed and or conspired with the terrorist to enter America undetected and then train to fly a plane, then how to execute the attack then assist and allow and provide aid to the enemy.
Well I aint gonna carry no card to prove I’m a 13th generation American. f--- you. How bout I put a gun barrel in the mouth of the turd that ask and see if he has proof he’s not a Nazi.
February 24th, 2009 at 2:30 am
F. James Sensenbrenner represents the 5th Congressional District in Wisconson. [N.W. of Milwaukee]. I lived in the WI. State Capital City – Madison for over 15 years – a mere 70 miles due west of F.J.S.’s congressional district. U.S. Congressman Sensenbrenner is dilussional to think he’s got the interests of his constituents in mind when he’s pandering this Real I.D. initiative to the U.S. public.
I now live in OKCity and I’ve known Oklahoma State Congressman Key for over seven years. In fact I was in his state capitol office this afternoon tending to some business. And I’ve known Mark Lerner for nearly a year. Coincidentally, Mr. Lerner was in Rep. Keys office during my short visit today. [Both gentlemen are cited in the attached article.]
Unlike U.S. Congressman F.J.S; Rep. Key and Mr. Lerner DO KNOW what they’re talking about and unlike F.J.S. they don’t have to pull their collective heads out of their tailpipes to check which direction the political winds are blowing every other hour.
Furthermore, I know first hand that the pathetic story about M. Atta being here, there and everywhere on 911[ notwithstanding using this, that and another U.S. state drivers lisc.] is complete garbage. Why? Because I reviewed a lot of irrefutible documentation proving that M. Atta and FIVE – yes count ‘em FIVE of his cohorts were in OKCity no more than 72 hours BEFORE all Hades broke loose on 911. And one of those five thugs showed up less than TWO WEEKS AFTER 911 back in OKCity – alive and well enough to pick a fight with a local bartender.
After everything is said and done. After U.S. Congressman F.J.S. finishes dining at some oppulent D.C. steak house adding yet another 5 lbs. to his sloven figure; one has to ask themselves; “Hmmm, who should I believe?; OK State Rep. Charles Key and Mark Lerner who have EVERYTHING TO LOSE and not much to gain by fighting the Real I.D. act?
OR
The citizens of this nation [which dutifully includes the people within F.J.S's 5th Congressional district.] deserve better; MUCH better than what F.J.S could only imagine offering to us all.
Griffin Memorial Mental Institution graces land within the city limits of Norman, OK. [20 miles of OKCity]. Congressman F.J.S may want to consider checking himself in iif he continues to pander this steady stream of lies to us all.
Lastly, BTW, the federal government cannot withhold highway funding from our sovereign states. [That is a documented fact here in the state of Oklahoma.] Again, F.J.S. is feeding us a line of garbage about all that. You think one of his volunteer congressional pages would have / should have researched this a bit more for their boss’s sake. And we must at least consider asking ourselves; Why would the esteemed F.J.S. base his call for legislation on a report rife with lies and mistatements? [911 commission report] to continue to erode our rights away?
As, I stated above; I’m sure there’s an extra bed at Griffin Memorial Mental Institution with Rep. F.J.S’s name already posted on it.
That’s all I have to say for now.
Regards,
OKCTruth