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Taliban’s Tank-Killing Bombs Came From CIA, Not Iran
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Gareth Porter
Counterpunch
September 6, 2009
Editor’s note: In the 1980s, the CIA trained Afghan terrorists in “sabotage skills” at their camp Virginia.
In support of the official U.S. assertion that Iran is arming its sworn enemy, the Taliban, the head of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence (ODNI), Dennis Blair, has cited a statement by a Taliban commander last year attributing military success against NATO forces to Iranian military assistance.
But the Taliban commander’s claim is contradicted by evidence from the U.S. Defense Department, Canadian forces in Afghanistan and the Taliban itself that the increased damage to NATO tanks by Taliban forces has come from anti-tank mines provided by the United States to the jihadi movement in Afghanistan in the 1980s.
The Taliban claim was cited by ODNI in written responses to questions for the record from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence following testimony by Blair before the Committee Feb. 12, 2009. The responses were released to the Federation of American Scientists under the Freedom of Information Act Jul. 30.
ODNI wrote that Iran was “covertly supplying arms to Afghan insurgents while publicly posing as supportive of the Afghan government”. As evidence of such covert Iranian arms supply, the ODNI said, “Taliban commanders have publicly credited Iranian support for their successful operations against Coalition forces”.
That statement was taken almost word for word from the subtitle of an article in The Daily Telegraph Sep. 4. “A Taliban commander has credited Iranian-supplied weapons with successful operations against coalition forces in Afghanistan,” read the subtitle.
The single Taliban commander quoted became plural in the ODNI version.
In the article, British journalist Kate Clark quoted an unnamed Taliban commander as saying, “There’s a kind of landmine called a Dragon. Iran’s sending it. It’s directional and it causes heavy casualties.”
The commander said the new mine would “destroy” large tanks “completely”, whereas “ordinary” anti-tank mines had only caused “minor damage”.
If true, the revelation that an improved Iranian anti-tank weapon had been killing U.S. and NATO troops in larger numbers would have been a major development in the war in Afghanistan. Roadside bomb attacks are acknowledged by U.S. and NATO officials to be the cause of most of the casualties and deaths of foreign troops in the country.
The rapid rise in casualties over the past two years is attributed in part to the increased lethality of the Taliban mines.
But according to the Pentagon agency responsible for combating roadside bombs in Iraq and Afghanistan, the increased Taliban threat to U.S. and NATO vehicles comes not from any new technology from Iran but from Italian-made mines left over from the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency’s military assistance to the anti-Soviet jihadists in the 1980s.
In response to my inquiry, the Joint Improvised Explosive Device Defeat Organization (JIEDDO) said in an e-mail that Italian-manufactured TC-6 anti-tank mines are “very common” in the Taliban-dominated areas of the country and that they have been modified to increase their lethality in IED attacks.
The JIEDDO response said TC-6 mines are being “arrayed in two or three in tandem to ensure the charge is large enough to inflict damage against Coalition vehicles.” The TC-6 mines “continue to pose a significant threat to Coalition Forces”, JIEDDO said.
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The claim by the alleged Taliban commander of new, more effective weaponry supplied by Iran appears to have been deliberate misinformation for the Western press.
British writer Jason Elliot, who has traveled extensively in Afghanistan since 1979, reported in a 2001 book Min(d)ing Afghanistan that the Italian-made TC-6 was the most commonly used anti-tank mine used in Afghanistan. The 15-pound charge of TNT, wrote Elliot in the TC-6, he wrote, could “flip a tank the way a seagull flips a baby turtle.”
Millions of mines remained buried in the ground from the Soviet occupation period, Elliot observed. However, only some 20,000 anti-tank mines have been destroyed since 1989, according to the United Nations.
Further evidence that the Taliban are relying heavily on the TC-6 to damage NATO tanks is a picture published by al-Jazeera on May 1, 2007 in a Taliban storeroom of explosives in Helmand province. The photograph, taken by a cameraman accompanying correspondent James Bays, showed two insurgent bomb-makers working on what was clearly identifiable as an Italian TC-6 anti-tank mine.
The insurgents told the photographer that the explosives in the room were in the process of being converted into “anti-tank bombs”.
Canadian forces in Kandahar province have encountered some of the heaviest Taliban use of anti-tank mines in Afghanistan. According to casualty data on the website of the Canadian Forces, since the beginning of 2007, 57 of 81 deaths of Canadian troops in Afghanistan have come from roadside bombs and anti-tank mines.
Capt. Dean Menard, a spokesman for Canadian forces in Kandahar, told me in a telephone interview that some of the ordnance used by the Taliban against Canadian tanks “are definitely attributable to the Soviet occupation era” – a reference to mines supplied by the United States through Pakistan during the anti-Soviet war.
The insurgents have obtained anti-tank weapons from “legacy minefields” dating from the period of Soviet occupation, according to Menard. Canadian forces also have intelligence that the Taliban obtain such mines from a “vast black market”, he said.
The Canadian spokesman confirmed that the Taliban are “making bigger mines” from the ordnance obtained from those sources.
In 2007 and 2008, Afghan military and police discovered two major caches of weapons in Herat province on the Iranian border that included anti-tank mines which some Afghan officials suggesting had originated in Iran.
But one picture of mines discovered in Herat, published by the Revolutionary Women’s Association of Afghanistan, clearly shows nine Italian TC-6 mines and one which resembles the top from a U.S. M-19 landmine, which was among those found in Afghanistan over the past two decades.
One mine cannot be clearly identified from the picture, but it does not resemble any known Iranian mine.
A picture of the 2007 cache in Herat published by AFP shows more Italian C-6 mines, along with a number of what appear to be U.S. M-19 anti-tank mines. The picture shows an Afghan policeman pointing to a mark on one of the latter, suggesting that it is of Iranian origin.
A copy of the U.S. M-19 mine has been manufactured by Iran, according to Jane’s Mines and Mine Clearance 2005-2006. However, long-buried Iranian-made M19s provided to the Jamiat-I Islami Mujahedin faction fighting more extremist Hezb-e Islami fighters in the 1992-96 period exploded accidentally in Kabul as recently as 2006.
Moreover, a 2009 study of arms deliveries to Afghanistan in the 1990s by the Moscow-based Centre for Analysis of Strategies and Technologies shows that Iran’s large-scale arms aid to the Northern Alliance forces in 1999 included anti-tank mines.
The prominence of the Italian-made mines among weapons found in Herat indicate that the anti-tank mines discovered in Herat in 2007 and 2008 were not assistance from Iran to the Taliban but weapons provided either to the Mujahedin during the Soviet occupation or to the Northern Alliance troops fighting the Taliban in the late 1990s.
Former CIA officer Phil Giraldi, who monitors U.S. intelligence analysis on Iran, told me he doubts the ODNI statement on Iranian policy in Afghanistan accurately reflects the analysis.
“If you were to read the original analytical report,” said Giraldi, “you would probably find that it’s caveated like mad.”
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SMITH,WINSTON Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
DUH …..WHEN HAVE CIA NOT BEEN INVOLVED IN EVERY FACET ON EARTH? TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE THE TALIBAN HAS BEEN MADE THE “NEW”AL QUEDA BECAUSE THE CIA COULDN’T PRODUCE ANY AL CIADA WITHOUT SHOWING THEMSELVES{CIA} BUT THE TALIBAN HAVE TRIED TO KEEP OPIUM POPPIES FROM BEING GROWN AND NOW CIA AND U.S. GOV TRY TO TELL US THEY “TALIBAN” ARE GROWING IT.BS BS BS BS BS BS BS.ASK ANY TROOPS THAT HAVE BEEN “THERE” ….QUOTE ALL I DID WAS GUARD SOME POPPY FIELDS FOR MONTHS> U.S.SOLDIER
THE ONE TRUE WAY Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
TAHNK YOU FOR YOU SERVICE BUT JUST AS IMPORTANTLY, THANK YOU FOR THE TRUTH. YOU, I AND ALOT, (MILLIONS), OF OTHERS KNOW THAT THE GREATEST FEAR OF THE ENEMY, (ELITE), IS THE TRUTH. MORE ACCURATELY, MILLIONS KNOWING THE TRUTH. THAT IS WHY YOU FINE VETERANS ARE THE NUMBER ONE THREAT TO THEIR GLOBAL TAKEOVER. TOO BAD THEY SERVE A FALLEN CREATED BEING AND NOT THE LIVING ALMIGHTY YHWH AND CREATOR. THEY WILL FAIL EVEN THOUGH THE DECK IS STACKED IN THEIR FAVOR. THIS WAY EVERYONE WILL KNOW THAT YHWH IS THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE………REPENT AND BE SAVED…….OR……CONTINUE AND PERISH.
AMEN Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Amen one true way,
there is only one God, that is YHWH, or Allah, The Creator of Everything. All Praise is due to God.
looks like the gov is getting some backlash from putting millions of landmines in Afghanistan.. wow thats a lot of landmines.
And notice how the Brits are in Helmand province, where the greatest amount of Heroin comes from. Coincidence? Remember China and the opium wars?
All part of the game plan people, pay attention. Wars not meant to be won, just sustained.
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Censored31 Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
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Max Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 12:07 am
In the 50s people would gladly die before being a traitor commie, now the commie heads are sticking up inside the National Security. The criminal penalty for being a traitor is death.
Watch the movie “Pick up on the Subway”. People would rather die than betray the country one time because you were better dead off than red!!!!
Max Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 12:24 am
They Military knows.
Rockefellers think they are gods.
Whats going to happen now is like Sean Connery in “The Man Who Would Be King” when he got scratched.
“Behold the god that bleeds.” they screamed, then the people mobbed him and executed him.
Olive Farmer Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 4:10 am
We stand on the threshold of a new dawning for mankind.
We are 6.5 billion unique human beings yet though we differ in billions of ways we are one. We are all inescapably united, all of us share a future.
Once we come to the realisation that we are together in this thing, that the fate of one of us is the fate of us all, then we can get down to the real work.
United as one, the realisation will quickly come that we can achieve anything, do anything. We can build ourselves the most beautiful place in harmony and in rhythm with our earth.
All can be provided for and many , many more.
In the spirit of love everywhere that mankind lays its hands will be cleansed, not poisoned. Everything we touch will be restored, made beautiful, not ripped out and sullied. The legacy of evil has been evil and our earth has been raped and manhandled by the greed and carelessness of the few, the mind controlled apathy and sad indifference of the many.
That really is enough of all that isn’t it?
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Thinkers and doers welcome.
The Project is soon to begin….
Can we change the world?
Yes.
Patriot-er Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What better way to keep prying eyes away from the CIA sponsored/controlled poppy fields in Afganistan than to plant millions of antitank mines and IED’s?
There is a Reason for everything though ‘Reason’ itself is absent.
Some humans act as subversive agents unto humanity itself.
They should be treated as such.
Chris Killz_The Northwest Husler Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
This is a huge story. Not surprising, but nothing is really. Another big lie from the gov for the heap.
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la raza Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
War is a racket. It’s all big business for the scum of the earth. The elite
September 6th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Taliban are great threat to Western Democracy. They need to be hunted down and killed.
Oh Really Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Sounds like a GW Bush quote
American Princess Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:36 am
GW Bush was wonderful leader who prevented homeland from another attack after Muslim terrorists attack us 9/11.
bullsh!t Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:45 am
didn’t you know, george bush founded the taliban & al qaida.
lol no wonder he ‘prevented’ them from attacking us, they were on the pay roll!
antinwo of bristol Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
yeah the al qaida but not the taliban they are on our side.
kev Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
wake up princess, that’s how i used to feel about GW until I found out the truth of the agenda.
mash Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
“Princess”, previously called herself “Jewish American Princess” and always has ignorant comments. She is either a bigot or a Govt. Op douche always towing the official government propaganda. Don’t waste your time on this fool. She knows what’s up because she’s been trolling this site for a year or two but still says the most retarded things.
Ron Paul Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
muslims DID NOT ATTACK AMERICA and YOUR A TOTAL IDIOT IF YOU BELIEVE THEY DID
9 11 was a inside job
and you need to wake up
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Rebekah Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
it IS OBVIOUS….THIS “American Princess” has been guarding the POPPY FIELDS too….for her beloved MURDERER GW BUSH ! and she & him snorted a lllllittle bit TOO MUCH ! the truth is out & is OVERWHELMING !
i CAN’T WAIT for these corrupt, murderous, criminal government BASTERDS to be prosecuted and HUNG on the White House Lawn !
IT MUST BE DONE…AND IF ANYONE IN OFFICE EVER EVEN THINKS OF FIAT Money, WAR for PROFIT & robbing of natural resources across the globe, NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE ! RIGGED ELECTIONS, ANYTHING UN-CONSTITUTIONAL !
forced VACCINATIONS, GENOCIDE, CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY….CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS, THE LIST OF THEIR CRIMES ISSSS TOOOO LONGGGGG…..IMMEDIATE INVESTIGATION, IMPEACHMENT, PROSECUTION, AND EXECUTION !!!! end of freakin’ STORY….I SAY WE FIX THESE CRIMINAL ATROCITIES IN THIS Once GREAT NATION & THE WORLD…..NNNNNNOW !
ali Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
‘American Princess’ stop drinking flouride water u piece of s**t
Barry Soetoro Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Bush would have been a better leader had he been born in Kenya and educated in the worlds greatest country Indonesia right?
Sense Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Lol you’re funny American Princess or “American Retard” hhahahahahahahah. Go back to your government office and prepare for the people to bomb you up.
antinwo of bristol Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
The taliban are doing a good job keep it up.
TakeThePowerBack Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
American Princess is not american judging from her, or possibly his, dodgy grammer
bargeman Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
American Princess is a shill. Ignore paid govt infiltrators.
Olive Farmer Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 6:20 am
The CIA are a great threat to humanity.
They need to be deprogrammed and given lots of hugs
When they realise how they have furthered the domination of pure evil
They will fall apart
Pity them
Their shame will be endless
Love those that seem to be your enemy
They are just sicker than you of the leprosy of evil
The love vaccine will cure all
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williamwallace Reply:
September 7th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
we are the humans from planet of the apes. wouldnt it be nice if the NOW scum were apes so we can identify them and hag their treasonious asses.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:24 am
And who says our Industrial Production is gone.
As long as we make and export bombs.
America still has an economy.
Thanks Charlie Wilson and CIA for providing the enemy with weapons to kill our children.
Thanks for putting them where they don’t belong.
GM and Ford are about as American as Chinese egg roll.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Hunt Jesui t Cath olic Inqu isition Age ncy that is the threat to our REPUBLIC not democracy!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:27 am
If all the internal batteries in the surface to air missiles our CIA also gave them in the 80’s, which they used extensively back then to shoot down Russian helicopters, they would be using those now against us too, and yet more Americans would be dying. Thanks again CIA for all your great work, both killing foreigners and Americans alike.
American Princess Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am
We should be applauding and supporting the telescopic reach of the CIA’s omnipresent eye.
bullsh!t Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:55 am
telescopic reach of the CIA’s omnipresent eye.
isn’t that the thing the doctors stick up your ass during a colonoscopy?? maybe there’s a relation between the too? CIA smells like ass?
Seal Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
“American Princess…NO should be ‘…un-American Mossad Misinformationist!”
You scum-sucking whore of babylon, your stink of lies wretches the good souls here, even just a whiff of your stenchful lies and deciets, that I should vomit in your direction! let alone blast my nostrils at you!
Stay-off the sight you disinformationist-pig, scoundrel!
Pray for a sudden death, that you might repent of your lies sinful swine lover!
Right up a pig’s arse with your telescope…
Lesbian Ranger Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Hey princess, I know you support the Lesbian Rangers and know we are doing a lot of good.
bargeman Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
American Princess is a shill. Ignore paid govt butthead infiltrators.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Mmmmmmm chinese egg roll
Neocon Narc Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
We are too late for you….you will eat anything the prison guards put in front of you.
We are going to all have to refrain from eating Chinese if we want our jobs back!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Bad boys..bad boys..
What ya gonna do when they come for u…
Bad boy…bad boys..
What ya gonna do when they come for uuuuuuuu
antinwo of bristol Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
god bless the taliban
roaddog6 Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
rumsfeld and congress sold saddam chemical weapons to kill iranians. (War crimes and crimes against humanity and bush sent in troops and that is treason). We trained afghanistans to kill russians. With the taliban there was virtually no opium being processed. Afghanistan has never lost a war as far as I’m aware. So far they are holding their own. Hopefully they will defeat the invaders of their land.
September 6th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I hope all you 1st comment assholes die from the swine flu.
Rebekah Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
YEAHHHH !
Lesbian Ranger Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Lesbian Rangers are immune to swine flu!
Sense Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
The swine flu aint sheet! If you are healthy and dont have health issues then you will more than likely recover from the “government flu”
September 6th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
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September 6th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
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September 6th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Who works for who Alex?
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September 6th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
They want the heroin presently, but later, all the resources of those mountainous regions…
Lets face it, the CIA are a front company for thieves scoundrels murderers!
The C I A are-not intelligent at all;We have seen their “monkeyshine” and we know who the enemy is!
End the FED end the CIA!!!
September 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
What are you people even talking about, you people are crazy in your mind whats the CIA not behind. Everything is a conspiracy. Seriously you all need to get an education have some kids and relax.
razor Reply:
September 6th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I had no idea that Sesame Street covered such topics….Your very well informed Dan.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
And another thing, more and more here there are just religions nuts quoting the Bible all the time as proof of things. Hey just a memo to everyone… the Bible is not real it’s all mumbo jumbo, it’s about as real as a unicorn. You can’t bring up fairy tales to back up your points.
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September 6th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Dan says:This is from your nwo bible,”YU ARE A FEW FRIES SHORT OF A HAPPY MEAL”.
September 6th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Too bad it’s all just fairy tales.
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September 7th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I agree,it is just a big old,long lasting lie that makes billions$ and fools billions as well.
Have you ever noticed that Christians seem to seize up and fall on the ground into a fetal position and mumble chants to gods that exist only in their heads when times get tough?
About 35 million Russian Christians were hauled off to death camps and killed(in the real holocaust-not the fake one the Jews whine about).
All of their prayers gave them nothing at all but death.
They should drop their “Harry Potter” novel(bible) and purchase a nice military grade assualt rifle while it’s still legal and join us in reality.
September 6th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I thought that AMERICAN PRINCESS only surfaced on issues relating to israel, i think she is not a she but a he or maybe its both ?
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September 6th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
American princess: from you nwo bible,”I THINK YOUR GRAVEY HAS SLIPPED OFF YOUR BISCUITS GIRL”.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
The Taliban and Al-Qaida are not the same. The Taliban are just warlords and clans of people living in afghanistan. They are not promoting any Jihad and wouldn’t fight the Nato forces unless they had to. They are making a huge profit from the increased growing of Opium since the invasion. They are NOT mujahedin.
Al-Qaida are two things:
They are CIA-operatives working with Mossad and ISS to make sure that there are “Terror-attacks”, so the bogus war of terror can go on. Of course this is not really what Al-Qaida was once as it was only a databse of mujahedin contacts, funds and supplies but this is part of the Al-Qaida we hear about today.
There is also groups formed in Iraq calling themselves Al-Qaida, fighting against the Us occupation forces and collaborators. These have nothing to do with Al-Qaida as such except by name and religious beliefs.
September 6th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
The NEW WORLD ORDER needs every nation under control. that means Afghanistan and any other nwo-rogue. Democracy is another name for NWO government.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Lol
September 6th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
That’s why I don’t join military. we are the most advanced military, so to keep us that way we must supply some pretty advanced bombs to our enemies so then we can keep funding military research. That’s just a hard fact of military life.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Seriously though, isn’t it better for the CIA to supply tank busting bombs to our enemy than to have our enemy invent them himself? Of course it is.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Look at it this way. Pakistan doesn’t have near the technological capability required to counter our drones. so I am sure the CIA is going to have to leak them some so we can then help find the correct areas of military research to better improve the robotic drones systems. drones 2.0 as it were. Otherwise our technological advantage could deteriorate and no one wants that.
September 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Look man. War isn’t patty cake patty cake baker’s man. It’s fuckin war man. war. I mean I can understand why the govt. won’t admit they did 911 because they just don’t want to discuss things in that manner. but the facts of life are thus, when most of the world is advancing very quickly tecnnologically, starting to catch up to us, a dominant military nation state such as the usa risks losing it’s competitive war advantage in a state of peace.
September 6th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
The U.S.A. isn’t going to do anything to stop this from happening.
This perpetual war was created to create a large urban battlefield across multiple countries and landscapes to create the push to develop robot war machines.
The first stage is the UAV fleet, which is well underway. Air Superiority? CHECK.
The next stage is the ground fleet. This is well underway thanks to DARPA’s “Grand Challenge” success and we can begin to see that fleet deployed in 2012-2016.
By 2024 both the air & ground fleets will be completely automated. By 2029, the USA will rule the world, quite literally.
Unless of course, the Chinese develop this technology first. Then it is the Chi-Coms that will rules us all.
September 6th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
The CIA is going to bring us peace through war….or was that war through peace….I get so confused at times.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
the usa cia selling weapons to be used back on the usa troops imagine that war crime!the nwo terrorist criminal elite think they have to create wars for there plan to work.thats why they push around these little guys because china or russia is to big to tangle with.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Once again, thank you, C.I.A.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:53 am
I doubt the Agency is flooding Afghanistan EIEDs. They surely wouldn’t use US M-19s. They could posibly be invovled in the Italian mines so as to inflitrate the Taliban/Jihadist supply channels.
September 7th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Mac-101, you truly drank the cool-aid. You are a true believer.
Look, the point is not necessarily that they are selling or distributing the weapons now, but that they were the original suppliers. The real question is are these really dogs that have gotten off the leash or are they still on it — or do they work for the largest bidder, and who is that? Us?
September 7th, 2009 at 7:57 am
I was in the Marines but I’ll still say this:
We have no business being in Afghanistan attempting to install “democracy” into those tribes that have never had it nor do they seem to want it now.
(I doubt that’s the real reason that we’re there,it’s just the good reason that’s given to the sheep).
Who can blame these groups for wanting to blow up our tanks?,I’d be doing it if they were over here as well-I guess that makes me an “insurgent”.
If we’re there for the installation of a gas/oil line across the region that will supply Israel its needs,then we also have no justification for being there.
Screw Israel already,we have lost enough American blood and money killing its well deserved enemies.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Wow, you all need to prepare for our fight right here in the good old US of A.
When the NWO starts its true offensive right here.
And I saw into the Spirit as 3 riders appeared on horses outside the door. They were Washington, Jefferson and Paul Revere. Washington carried the anointing for leadership in battle, Jefferson, the anointing of the written word, and Revere the one who sounds the alarm. They had activation papers in their hands from the Lord, which read, “You are activated into the army for it is a time of war. You are to report to duty at the battlefront in Washington D.C.”
And the Spirit of the Lord did say, “For the battle for your nation begins there. This battle is even more fierce and even more dire than the one troops are fighting now in Iraq! This is a battle for the future of this nation and the future of your children and the world your children’s children will live in. It is a battle for freedom and liberty just as real as the one, which began in Boston’s harbor.
The enemy has already taken away my children’s right to pray in schools and my Church did nothing, and now they have stripped my Ten Commandments from outside of the courthouse. How much more will my ministers allow them to do and to take away from you as a nation and as a people? What will be taken from you next? When will you awaken?
Oh, awake, my people. Awake. Sound the alarm. This is a nation under God! This is a nation under God! This is a nation under God, or will that be taken from you as well? It is time for the ‘Sons of Liberty’ to arise and to take back that, which was given unto thee, bought for and paid for by the blood of soldiers upon the ground of this land and around the world as young men gave their lives for liberty and for freedom. They died ‘for God and country,’ and it is recorded in heaven that they died for Me, and their blood cries out, even from the earth, to restore this land unto their Lord.
I am He that holds the winds of the Earth in my hand and I hold the future of the nations in my hand, and I will stand and I will raise a standard in this nation, and this nation will become a maverick nation, saith the Lord. It will rebel against the World Order. It will rebel against the hand of the Antichrist. It will rebel against what is coming upon the nations of this planet, and this nation will stand as the very armor bear of God and resist the evil that is coming.
September 7th, 2009 at 8:50 am
vist the 3rd woe web site. God Bless the world.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Some say this is not a true account. True or not it is a really good way to look at what was and what will be. God started this nation and up until the recent past it was a nation under God. We have let Godless people pervert this Republic with all sorts of vileness and in the end he is going to take it back. We have a Constitution and a Bill of Rights that was born out of divine providence and we must restore the precepts of these documents for all of our sakes and our childrens sakes.
The Wars in Afghanistan and in Iraq are a testament to the evil forces that control us and our brave men and women in the military. We have to take back the reins of power completely from these demons on earth and bring all of them home to their loved ones before its to late.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:20 am
One of our founding fathers said not to get involed in foreign affairs. Now we are wraped up in everything everywhere. We can thank President Wilson after the first world war for that boondoggle they called the League of Nations now called the United Nations. After the Federal Reserve is abolished I think that we should seek to get out of the UN and kick it out of the U.S. but first and formost both houses on the hill in DC have to be occupied by true Constitutionalist and the White house has to be manned by a true citizen of the United States of America. People a battle plan for retaking our nation has to be formulated and implemented by both Left and Right. We will either all be hanged seperately or we can decide to be hanged together fighting for Liberty and the Republic.
September 7th, 2009 at 9:23 am
i switched off at the word god.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
ooh whats the chances of that i ask ya?…. not like the cia to be giving logistical support to “terrorists” now is it.
September 7th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Replace “terrorists” with Afghan “mercenaries” and you’ve got the picture. The “Taliban” play for pay. Now, who’s paying?
September 8th, 2009 at 7:52 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
September 8th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Mein Land. $750,000 spent on each soldier per year including wages, weapons, ammo, kit, food + other general maintainance. And that’s just the tip of the FINANCIAL BLACK HOLE. Heavy arms & ammo, Planes, Choppers, Ships… Of course, souldiers & innocent civilians DIE too.
Like IRAQ soldiers death figures only count those killed on ACTIVE DUTY. Physical & mental casualties are also poorly reported – ON ALL SIDES. STATING THE OBVIOUS – I know. A sick comical attempt at a farcical system of DEMOCRACY hardly glosses over this 10 YEAR WAR waste of LIFE, RESOURCES, MONEY & EXPERTISE.