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Terror Names Linked To Doomed Flight AF 447
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SkyNews
June 10, 2009
Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.
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Flight AF 447 crashed in the mid-Atlantic en route to Paris during a violent storm.
While it is certain there were computer malfunctions, terrorism has not been ruled out.
Soon after news of the fatal crash broke, agents working for the DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure), the French equivalent of MI6, were dispatched to Brazil.
It was there that they established that two names on the passenger list are also on highly-classified documents listing the names of radical Muslims considered a threat to the French Republic.
A source working for the French security services told Paris weekly L’Express that the link was “highly significant”.
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June 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Sure – sounds like the blame game is about to start – convinient amount of time passed before any ‘wreckage’ was found, giving the spooks the time to build a story of what happened & hey, guess what……….there were two Muslims on board who are on the wanted list………….remember the passport found amongst the rubble of the World Trade Centre……………sound familiar???
roaddog Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
winston—I agree. I’m thinking they should look at nasa.
Dogfood Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Don’t forget, these “terrorists” do exist. The issue is that they are a proxy for someone else.
Now the U.S. government doesn’t seem to be screaming “terrorism” over this as usual.
In fact they are keeping quiet. Which leads me to believe that someone else is behind it and not the U.S. government.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
maybe, you guys should get a life. Go outside and and get some air , ride a bike help out a neighbor. Is everyone on here an opinionated loud mouth. I bet your asses have grown roots. Who gives a s--- what your view on everything that happens is. No matter what happens its some sort of conspiracy, sickening s---s.
Dogfood Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
“Is everyone on here an opinionated loud mouth. ”
No just you.
Jeff Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Babyhuey, why don’t you read a book, might lear something…
You seem to be the only one pushing his opinionated thoughts on someone, stop thinking your i thinks; what TV tells you and start doing some research and thinking with some facts.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
And what facts are you dealing with Jeff. Your just another follower of the group. Funny how you assume I even have a TV. If I dont agree with the rest of you clowns then I dont have facts. Who here commenting has the facts ?
Ryan Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
I have a fact babyhuey. Your a troll.
Splitta Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
i half agree.
while i feel nothing should be taken at face value, i also think that every now and then s--- JUST HAPPENS!
Quey Bono Ladies and Gentleman. Unless some kind of oppressive legislation is passed against the french, i dont think anyone should jump to any hasty conclusions.
middleclasssoldier Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
is the same babyhuey from orange county new york? if it is i know who you are but you dont know me.
Pirate Naro Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:29 am
I owe a huge apology to some on here … I have been coming to infowars for only about a month, and I have been researching and learning new things every day. I didnt believe the idea that 911 could be an inside job … I have too many dogs in the fight I guess … I have lost many friends to the wars in afganistan and iraq, and to believe that their lives were lost because of our own government was just unthinkable. That being said, I ran across an article today that has erased any thought that my government couldn’t be responsible for this kind of treason.
Please read the following article about Operation Northwoods. This is probably the most eye opening article I have ever read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
If you see this posted in multiple areas, sorry for the spamming, just making sure people get this content … it is very important.
Sorry to those I denounced when they were just pointing out the truth.
ToM Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I agree….couldn’t have said it better myself. Time to wake up indeed people…Time to go outside…time to get back into the real world. IF you don’t like whats going on in reality then try and do something about it. Otherwise, your wasting your time. bitching ain’t gonna do anything for anyone. Maybe instead of drowning yourselves in the daily messes of a clearly influenced media and government propaganda, why not think about what can be done about this? Why not come up with a real solution to real problems…no one else is going to do it until you start to work at it.
............................... Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Before you know they will be blaming the terrorists for hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquake, flooding, etc., etc., etc., ETC………. LOL!
Truth Now Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:14 am
No it will be the 9/11 truthers who caused the hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and flooding. Look out for those dangerous 9/11 truthers according to Glen Beck.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
No it was the aliens from Nibiru, wich are really demons flying around in German made Ufo’s, sent to Earth from the dark side of the moon. The people on the plane are now living with the illuminati under the Denver airport with Hitler.
VancouverSucks Reply:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
i fully agree.
Jeff Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Ya these names are on highly classified documents, as in CIA…
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
my posts may not be with the group, I just point out the typical Scapegoats used frequently on this site. Seems like everything that happens needs a patsy. Ask yourself after falling into the group mentality of everything is a conspiracy who has become the brainwashed. Could it be that you are decieved. When you take something such as this plane crash and turn it into a govt agenda I think you have fallen into your own brainwashing scam.
Jeff Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Ha ha that’s funny… Again opinionated thinking… the true thing that is bringing down society… you are ignorant of what you know because you speak what you think as truth. Not everything is a conspiracy… but when people have something to hide in “top secret” forms there is a problem… Why would they hide it unless it would upset us…
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
sorry for having an opinion that doesnt jive with yours, you say i am ignorant but fail to tell me what the hell you are even talking about. What is who trying to hide about what. Untoll you can base what you claim on a fact then it is nothing more than bulls---. I think you are the ignorant one.
ToM Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
to know truth would be to know everything…you cannot possibly know everything. Therefore you will not know “truth”. What ever that may be. Truth is only an opinion and interperitiation of an individuals perspective on the reality they surround themselves with. Nothing more can come of the capacity to know and understand everything anyway. If you did know truth…what good would it do for everyone else who doesn’t know it….and by the only way of them knowing truth is to know everything too….this is just not what the case is with our human abilities and capabilities. This is impossible for our species to wrap our heads around, but I think the time has come to be conciously aware of ourselves in that respect and move on to dealing with issues at hand and not ones which have passed us by….why do we refuse to ask bigger questions to seemingly big problems? Terrorism…the answer so far=gov’t sponsored…or…radical extremism…either way…WHY are these the only answers we have come up with…well..what causes these problems to exist? why does the govt want to subvert you and control you? OR why do the extremists fear change/their “enemies”? I think if you looked hard enough you will find the answers to these questions. That is where you are going to have to start making the changes…not in the govt that is broken by design or the religion who demands blindness from its followers.
yo Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Plane like that don’t crash, even in very bad weather. Ask a pilot.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Yep, no plane in history has ever crashed for any reason other than terrorism. Humans are perfect, and so is their engineering.
Get a clue. There are MANY airplanes that have crashed due to weather – as a matter of fact (and yes, it is FACT – do the research), a majority of plane crashes are at least partly attributed to adverse weather conditions. You are obviously not a pilot, and please don’t insult the intelligence of pilots by making such ignorant statements.
DVDmaster Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Ask yourself this, what happened to building 7 on 911, why did the swedish scientist find bomb residue on the steel structure from 911. why did bush not want to investigate 911, why did 6 of the 18 hijacker stand up and say hey i didn’t do it, i’m still alive. why did the pentigon seize all the video evidence that could clearly end all this once and for all. it’s people like you who have let the world become what it has become. it’s time for you towake up. we didn’t start this bulls---, the people who covered up 911 did, and by doing so, they cause so much attention to themselve people are on to them now. they exposed themselves, and these people got careless, just like any criminal organization they became to complacent. a plane hit the building, and the same time that build was crammed with so much explosives that only an idiot could believe other wise.
ToM Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
what do you want to end once and for all? The people are dead…the buildings are not there…what do you propose people do? SO you get your broken government to admit they effed up. What next? wait till it happens again…cuz it will…cuz your govt…and many many many others…if not all others are broken too..and they always will be at this stage of their political evolution. Its time to envoke change…think outside the box…not just about the existence of the box.
http://www.thevenusproject.com
this is not a spam…this is a link to someones vision of thinking outiside that box for you to explore and hopfully implement. The past is finite but the future is infinite.
TakerOfCorporateSouls Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
why is our congress and senate trying to seal forever all the evidence related to the 911 incident and all the investigative reports/videos/pictures of interrogations and detainee abuse/torture…….
DVDmaster Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Obviously I’d like to see the oganinzation who executed these attacks brought to justice, Your venus project seems all nice a warm and fuzzy, but wake up dude. these people aren’t going to allow that s--- to happend. the warm cozy place they got planned for you and me isn’t going to be any utopia like you dream of.
As for your question Taker, theres no need to ask the obvious.
ToM Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
The Venus project is far from a utopia, the world and humans will only face new challenges within it. The basic problems of our planet like monetary corruption/fammine/war…these will be taken care of. Utopias do not exist and cannot exist. If you are going to continue to believe you are part of the US (not U.S.) vs. THEM paradigm then be my guest. What are your solutions? Rebellion?war?prying your guns from your cold dead hands? come on…thats been done before…its an incredibly old cliche! Why do you feel so threatend by the government? Its just people propelling an idea…an idea no different than money, religion or whathave you.
you want to see justice…however its the government that apparently caused these attackes/let them happen…what on earth makes you think they will admit to this? THEY are the law makers. unfortunately for humans we communicate with all kinds of different languages…which happen to all be open to interperitation in the eye of the beholder. Meaning that whatever a lawyer says is not written in stone and the laws which are created by law makers are compleatly open to interperitation themselves…which easily allows any government to twist and turn around whatever it wants as long as it holds a good grasp on the language it is communicating its agenda with. (media/propaganda…whatever)
how do you plan to overcome this yourself? I plan on spreading this idea, in hopes that it will encourage others to feel that what we are being faced with is NOT ominous and the “government” itself is not GOD or anything even remotely close to it. The power is within us…the people….you have the ability just like anyone esle to envoke change in this world. IF you want to sit around and twiddle your thumbs and assume all hope is lost…then thats fine…no one is asking you to get up and help…I’m just saying…if you are pissed about the current world situations…then what do you propose we do? Throw people in jail for what they did and make an example out of them??? that won’t really solve any problems like poverty and war…that just allows someone else to get into the power seat and do as they please…I think its time we take a stand for our abilities and capabilities as humans and elevate our self respect to a new level which sees each and every person actually living a high standard of living, learning as they please and not having to worry about where the next meal is coming from. WHy are we the only species on the planet to keep our food under lock and key? Its not that it was a bad thing to do…but I think we have hit a point where we can remove that lock and key.
The only real problems in the world are the ones which are common to us all.
DVDmaster Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Your living in a dream world, the venus project, as nice as it sound can only take place by first taking the men from power that corrupt the entire system, And once this is done we as a society have to get rid of the monetary system all together. Once this is accomplished we’ll have to set up a citizen council. the council should consist of 1000 people that are constantly being rotated, each person world remain for a short period, 6 month terms to a year.
gov’t, Banking and religions organizations and the most corrupt institutions that we face today, so by banding together as a whole we’ll have alot better chance in accomplishing this massive undertaking.
You know you seem to thing just by telling people about the venus project, it’s all going to come true for you. I got news for you, these people are ruthless killers, and before your s---show even got going you’d be all dead. And yes they’d have to pry a gun from my cold dead hands, because the only way to win in a system so corrupt is to take it. when you own the courts and all the people who can bring about change you’ve already won the diplomatic way of settling things, thats we countries have revolutions, and a s---ty thing for everyone then , and I can tell you another thing, people with all the political power will not let the power slip through their hands with out a battle.
you sound like you have good intentions and a good idea for humanity, but it will never happend by just telling people about it.
I suggest you buy a fifty pack of DVD’s and Burn, Burn, Burn. you need to educate people on the matter. if we all take a pro-active approach, we could reach a goal of 100 million people by july. The obabma deception, Zeitgeist, loose cange. there are s--- loads of eye-opening videos out there.
Take care bro.
DVDmaster
Tobias Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Dear Huey,
While I’ll agree not everything is a conspiracy. Please just think about this.
There is a saying “Don’t waste a good Crisis”. Meaning nobody needs to conspire to down this plane, but you will always notice people in high places looking for excuses to change the law in their favor.
You know like if somebody shoots a cop with an AK47, that means the anti gun people need to ban ak47s.
At this point, I am not going crazy over this plane, it could have easily been an accident.
Just a thought, I hope you’re doing well.
St. Michael Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Hmmm ok…. how about you PROVE to us it wasn’t a conspiracy? Can you do that? Offer real proof it wasn’t? You can’t? Ah I see.
PhantomCell Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Probably someone on board the plane who knew too much about something or someone. Had to be eliminated by security services………Nah they would’nt do that…….Would they? You bet your ass they would!
DVDmaster Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:39 am
The story does sound very suspicious, especially because of the black box’s, when ever there is something unusual about a plane crash, it always seems that the black box’s can’t seem to be recovered. Maybe the should look at passengers on the list that would bring a better world or maybe somebody on the plane had a aids cure. Just like the last person who had weeks to go to finally completing the cure for aids, and his plane went down.
you want your childern to be successful these days, but just not to successful, or else their plane might go down.
disadent aggressor Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Was there any high lvl scientists on this flight?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
THERE JUST SHARPING THERE CHISEL SO THEY CAN CHIP MORE OF OUR RIGHTS AWAY
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Nope its Israels fault.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
There were multiple politically significant people of this flight, which is usually the way these airplane hits work. I read some businessmen were chinese executives buying raw material for the Chinese Army.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Nope America did it.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Any commercial flight is bound to have people of “significance”, especially an international flight. CEOs, CFOs, band members, authors, poets, journalists – you name it, there is bound to be at least one “significant person” on almost every flight. Why don’t you all wait for the facts? I’m sure it’s fun to play the whole terrorist/conspiracy game, but like I said in another thread, you are going to be disappointed when it is proven that there was no foul play involved.
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:15 am
You are totally giving yourself away here Mr. Ignorant. I notice that you never discuss the technical facts about this incident. This plane was brought down on purpose and you know it. Who are you working for?
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I’m pretty sure that you wouldn’t understand the technical facts that have come out so far. How many aircraft accidents have you researched in the past? My guess is none. Just because I happen to be very educated in the aviation and meteorology fields doesn’t mean that I am “working” for anyone. I am just trying to prevent people (like you) from jumping to ignorant conclusions. Call me Mr. Ignorant if you want, but I will be laughing at you when this is proven to be an accident and nothing more.
Sar4Life Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
I think you need to back off a tad and clear your head, m8.
Not everyone here thinks ‘everything’ is a conspiracy (if anyone does at all).
You might want to to read this note about one of the US conspiracy plans which was signed/approved by the Joint Cheifs of Staff and the Chairman of the JCS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods
That stuff happened when I was 2.
You cannot tell us that the government would not lie to us, then in the next breath state that the FOIA is all false.
Breathe, m8. True wisdom cannot be taken in one swallow.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
look beneath the released facts..they wont tell you the real truth only what they want you to think is the truth
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Nah! Rockefellar had to be involved.
Dogfood Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
The one comment you won’t touch is right below.
Go away SHILL.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Of course , you would have us to believe it was easier to bring down an airliner than just take them out any other way. Kinda far fetched I would say. “go away shill” typical info wars jargen be more original think for yourself you are already brainwashed.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
I notice that infowars is asking for donations now to help warn the public. Why are the comment section closed?
DVDmaster Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 10:05 am
one more thing, if you think that far fetched, you should try believing in this think called religion. yet billions of people believe and donate billions of dollars, and I suppose your one of those crazy religious nuts yourself.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
here are some significant passengers:
http://www.sundayherald.com/in.....85.0.0.php
Unconquered Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Now THAT’S interesting.
Geoph Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Thanx David,
Now that’s what I call food for thought.
ME.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
In Brazil Republic Comunisty of dictator Luiz Inacio da Silva “Lula”
Governenments in ocultists
And manipulations of Media National of Rede Globo TV
Brazil equal USA
kING OF OBSCURANTISTS
fiapo Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
thats true man. im from brazil and Globo has been corrupted for quite sometime due to the same elites who run USA and the world. Althought it’s not nearly as controlled as the US media though.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Maybe the French build crappy airplanes. Lots of airbus aircraft have gone into spontaneous nose dives, but the pilots regain control.
Sir Baby De Porky Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Half of it is build by germans !!!
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
there”s your reason, its Germany’s fault.
Geoph Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:42 am
hueybaby,
Did you even go to the link posted above?
No?
I didn’t think so.
ME.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:58 am
THANK YOU!!! No one seems to want to even consider the idea of a technical failure or human error in the cockpit. The error messages from the plane tell the tale – if the plane was blown up, it damn sure wouldn’t be sending 4 minutes worth of error messages afterwards.
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Really???? Where were the pilots during those 4 minutes???? Standard procedure when ATC receives distress messages from the computer system is to immediately commense dialogue with the flight crew!!!! This did not occur.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
No, ATC doesn’t receive those messages. The company does.
YELLOWHAK1 Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
NOT IGNORANT: THEN THAT WOULD TOTALLY BLOW THEIR STORY OF THE TWO MUSLIM TERRORIST THEORY OUT OF THE WATER. GARY: AHMED AND MOHAMMED LOL! CHRIS: THEY MUST HAVE GRAPPLED WITH THE TERRORIST CAUSING THE PLANE TO NOSEDIVE INTO THE OCEAN LIKE ON 9-11 EXCEPT IT SUPPOSABLY NOSE DIVED INTO THE GROUND. AS SOON AS I HEARD THE NAME SARKOZY I WAS SUSPICIOUS. JUST ONE MORE FREAKING DISTRACTION AMONG MANY.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Well, as long as we’re throwing around conspiricy theories, maybe they were teating out the HAARP project hhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
now this sounds very likely.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
somebody knew something and didn’t want info getting out.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Who? knew what? My God, maybe the plane just got hit by lightning. No it had to be someone on the plane that knew too much about something. Ha Ha what a joke.
fiapo Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
every airplane is hit by lightning at least once a year… lightning shouldn’t and doesnt have any effect on the plane.
there are 3 systems on the plane… if 1 faults.. theres a backup.. if backup faults.. theres a backup to backup… but if all 3 fail.. which is like virtually almost impossible… then the plane will definitely go down.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Nothing is impossible.
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:08 am
What appears to be impossible is your ability to see the plain facts here that indicate that this plane was brought down on purpose.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Chris, can you please tell me where you are getting your so-called “facts” from?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
“Two passengers with names linked to Islamic terrorism were on the Air France flight which crashed with the loss of 228 lives, it has emerged.”
Really? What were the two names, Ahmed and Mohammed?
Mike Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 3:25 am
LOL ,
Good one.
9/11 was an INSIDE job and we still stand for this crap ?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
ALEX D”KOOKVILLE JONES IS ON THAT LIST! SO IS MIKE SAVAGE.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Has anyone seen the shooting in D.C. at the Holocaust museum. An 89 yr old white male entered and started shooting hitting the guard and one other person. This same guy was arrested in 1981 for entering the Federal Rreserve museum and threatened to take people hostage at gunpoint because he was upset about the interest rates. Point being is all the media talked about was long guns, rifles, and shotguns along with White Resistance groups, militia groups, etc.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I noticed we are missing two of our best posters on this site!
R.I.P.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Has anyone seen the shooting in D.C. at the Holocaust museum. An 89 yr old white male entered and started shooting hitting the guard and one other person. This same guy was arrested in 1981 for entering the Federal Rreserve museum and threatened to take people hostage at gunpoint because he was upset about the interest rates. Point being is all the media talked about was long guns, rifles, and shotguns along with White Resistance groups, militia groups, etc. Something is up with this story and it seems like a staged deal. I think this may be the beginning of a campaign to collect long guns throughout the country. Something very big is on the horizon folks.
U-B-U-N-I-B-I Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Yea but they started this campaign long ago. Assault weapons are without meaning if you think about it. A brick is an assault weapon. They want to tell us semi automatics are assault weapons. Marshal Dillon had an assault weapon, Right? China uses chopsticks and not because they didn’t have enough metal for utensils. They didn’t want their slave nation to have Knives or forks because they could use them as assault weapons. Your right if anybody shoots anybody it gets national coverage. Statistics show that one out of about 15000 to 20000 people are homicidal. Weather or not they shoot you, strangle you,stab you,burn you,poison you or beat you to death . No one seems to consider the stupidity of the idea of a killer saying i would shoot that guy if it wasn’t illegal to have a gun. They skip right over that glaring hole in the logic of making guns illegal. Making guns illegal stops people from defending themselves against the homicidal few.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Purposeful Obfuscation ~
Federal Reserve sham
911 cover-up
AIPAC scam
June 10th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Maybe the terrorists were on their way to europe to meet up with their “terror cell” and this plane ACTUALLY had a system failure.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Anyone notice the DDoS attack on news.sky.com? I did, cant read the full article.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
pretty soon Al Qaeda will not only be blamed for every plane crash but global warming as well, if there is such a thing, which there probably is, seeing all the s--- in the air in Pasadena TX. The smell is god awful
June 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
well there you go had to be a govt involved.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
It took them quite a while to come up with this story !!! It’s convenient to talk about who might
have been on that flight after it sits on the bottom of the ocean !!! Anyway , in Perth ( Australia )
there is a VLF emitter , while in South America there are transmitters , that can easily bring down
an airplane by screwing up the electronics !!! Several planes have experienced severe electric
disturbances that could be linked to this type of technology ( there is another VLF emitter in Asia )
June 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
their names were just islamic and not linked to “islamic terrorism”
guess everyone who has an Islamic name today can be a “terrorist”
June 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
If you have noticed there has been a lot of airplanes fall out of the sky lately. As most of you know space has been weaponized for quite some time now. They can create earthquakes and I think they can knock planes out of the sky as well. Me and steve quayle agree on the earthquake part of it and I’m waiting to see what he thinks about the other part. It’s all done with waves, be it sound or pressure.
The Glorified Janitor Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Road dog, do you remember the earthquake in Turkey were 40,000 people died during the Kosovo conflict? Greece had a big one right after with thousands dead as well.
The Turks were Muslim like the Albanian and the Greek are Eastern Orthadox like the Serbs and Russians. I think the Russians put down that weapon on the Turks, so we retaliated by doing it to the Greek, then China had to show they had it too and knocked down a good portion of Tipei Tiawan.
It’s just a theory, what do you think?
roaddog Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:55 am
glorified—-For some reason they won’t post my answer to you. I’ve posted two times now. I bet this makes it though. We’ll see.
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
yea, thats a bit of an exageration , Mr. Quayle he will tell you how lousy the dollar is but sell you as much as he can for em. Buy gold he will sell it to you cheap even as a favor what are you gonna pay for it with ? Dollars you know those worthless things that everyone wants so bad.
Dont believe everything you hear.
Jason Y Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
It’s funny babyhuey…you are sitting there telling people to get a life & to go outside when you have 15 comments in this section alone…sounds like YOU are the one who needs to get away from the computer for a little while. If you don’t like what you are reading…then why are you reading it ALL day long & soooooo worried about what these people think might have happened ? Take your own advice dude…give it a rest.
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Make a legitimate point on this topic or dont waste my time jerkoff.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
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June 10th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Hurray! Another “Terror Act” by Muslim Extremists. What a s--- load of bullcrap. WHO really DOES know what really happened??? Now we are not the ones with the “Conspiracy” theories. Because : “Done by Muslim extremist terrorists” is already a conpiracy theory without any evidence. So actually we (AJ and we all) tell and know the truth but the media lies with their “Muslim terror” conspiracy CRAP. Maybe it was an accident, who knows?
June 10th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
The “terror” is in the philosophy of the design of Airbus planes. Simply put, on Boeing aircraft the pilot has ultimate control over the airplane. With Airbus, the on-board computers have ultimate control. People vs. software. Which do you prefer in control of your life? Putting it another way, do you want a licensed pilot, or a software engineer in charge of flying the plane? The complexity of the code necessary to fly a large aircraft is going to contain “anomalies.” Add the fact that different people write different parts of the code, no two software engineers write code the same way, plus you cannot test for every possible scenario. Large systems fail. Period. You don’t need terrorists to help. It just happens. I will take an experienced human brain over a complex computer system any day.
One more thing, Boeing planes are made to withstand many times the rated force. That’s why you can barrel role a 747 and it stays together. And that’s why “composite” airplanes crack apart under stress. Tubulance has never taken out a large commercial aircraft, until now.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:17 am
I agree that the pilot should have the final say on how an aircraft is handled. That is why I will never fly an Airbus aircraft. I don’t like not being in control, and the thought of having computers keeping me from controlling an aircraft terrifies me.
However, I do not agree that turbulence has never caused a crash. There have been numerous cases that I know of where turbulence in thunderstorms has overstressed an airframe and ripped it apart in mid-air. The first one that comes to mind is a Braniff flight that tried to fly through a thunderstorm during its “fast buck” promotion. There was a clock in the cabin with a timer in it, and if the flight wasn’t on the ground before the timer went off, everyone on board got a dollar. The pilots had been delayed taking off and then had to contend with severe weather in their path. Under pressure to land before the time was up, they flew into a thunderstorm, and the plane was torn apart under the aerodynamic loads. Many aircraft have been broken up by turbulence, and it’s likely that AF447 experienced the same thing.
BTW, you can barrel roll any aircraft if you know what you are doing
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:53 am
With this theory of yours, Airbuses should be falling out of the sky left and right!! What a load of BS. Airbuses are the most modern commercial aircraft in existence and just because they don’t have a “steering wheel” for nostalgic old farts like you to hold on to, it doesn’t mean that their body structure dissentigrates by a lightning strike !!
WoW Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I’m not sure about you guys, but wouldn’t you all just love to see an airbus pull of a barrel right in front of your face. I mean it’s just so big
Arunas Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Well what a crappy comment. Sir first investigate technology, then throw your non-Lindberg comments. Airbus aircrafts have full manual control, just in normal flight modes they have extra computer controll for maneuver protection. And in case You didn’t know USAF military fighters F-16, F-15, F-22, F-35 all have implemented similar fly-by-wire systems.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
What I was saying is that the avionics on an Airbus (operating in Normal Law) will keep you from overspeeding the aircraft, stalling the aircraft, using pitch, trim, etc. beyond preprogrammed limits regardless of your inputs. You have manual control up to the limits that Airbus defines for you. If I am in a life-or-death situation and I need to push the aircraft a little further than Airbus wants me to in order to protect my passengers, I want to be able to do it. That’s why Boeing’s system is much better – it will give you an assload of warnings, but it will ultimately let you do whatever you want to the airplane.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
now could someone tell me if this is the same flight that had the former brazilin royal family on board? i smell a cover-up.
crazycanuck Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:59 am
I read that somewhere on the net too.
crazycanuck Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 1:07 am
It stated a descendent of the Brazilian Royal Family from the 1900s was onboard the plane. One should check for more info. about him to see what his status was in Brazilian society
Furthermore, this could have been a Scalar Wave hitman operation. Weather control, severe weather storms, tornadoes/hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanoes, unexplained airplane crashes; this is all in the realm of hi-tech and very difficult to understand Scalar Wave devices. My guess is that the plane was brought down by a scalar wave weapon.
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Whatever it was, it definitely was not a lightning strike or turbulance !!! You are correct to suspect something else.
There have been cases where this model airbus has ran out of feul and glided for 19 minutes and 120 miles and landed safely.
There have been commercial aircraft that have landed safely with whole sections fallen off and one that even lost a cockpit window was able to land safely!!
There has never been an Airbus aircraft taken down by a lightning strike; or any other type of modern commercial aircraft.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
No one has said that this accident was the result of a lightning strike.
Brad Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Zionists love to erase royalty……. they completely wiped out the Russian royalty, Moghul Royalty and countless other families.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:14 am
THE TROUBLE WITH HUBBLE IS THAT IT IS A DOUBLE???
How about this one. Is it not a rather peculiar that shortly after the the Hubble space telescope gets a retrofit bingo a plane goes down under mysterious circumstances. I have always been suspicious that the Hubble telescope can be used as a weapon and more than likely uses scalar waves technology.
TROUBLE WITH HUBBLE IS THAT IT IS A DOUBLE???
June 11th, 2009 at 2:30 am
This is the biggest BS story of the year !!! FIRST OF ALL, THAT PIECE OF TAIL SECTION CONVENIENTLY FOUND A WEEK LATER SIMPLY CANNOT FLOAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!! ANYBODY! PLEASE DO THE RESEARCH FOR YOURSELVES. ENGINEERS !! THERE IS NO WAY THAT LARGE PIECE (CONVENIENTLY THE ONLY PIECE OF THE AIRCRAFT WITH THE AIR FRANCE LOGO ON IT) COULD FLOAT FOR A WEEK!!!!
ANYBODY WANT TO LOOK UP FOR THEMSELVES THE EXACT WAIT OF AN AIRBUS TAIL SECTION?
IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT THEY ARE FABRICATING A COVER STORY !!!! ANY PERFECTLY INTACT PASSPORTS CONVENIENTLY FLOATING AROUND TOO????? HOW STUPID DO THEY THINK WE ARE?
THIS PLANE WAS NOT TAKEN DOWN BY A STORM OR BY LIGHTNING, PERIOD. PLANES ROUTINELY FLY THROUGH STORMS WHEN THEY ARE ASCENDING OR DESCENDING. IT IS STANDARD PROCEDURE THAT PLANES FLY ABOVE STORM FRONTS AT VERY HIGH ALTITUDES AND EVEN IF IT WAS FLYING THROUGH THE VERY TOP PART OF A ANVIL CLOUD FORMATION, THE VIOLENT PART OF THE STORM IS ALWAYS ON THE BOTTOM, NOT THE TOP!!!!
PLEASE, GIVE ME ONE EXAMPLE OF A MODERN AIRCRAFT BLOWN TO PIECES BY A LIGHTNING STRIKE OR TURBULENCE!!
THIS PLANE WAS TAKEN DOWN ON PURPOSE.
Mike Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The Israeli Mossad are infamous for “assassination by Plane Crash” so find out who the IMPORTANT people were on that plane and we will know why they crashed it.
The easiest way for them to take out their enemies is by plane crash because nobody will ever know who the main target really was.
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
I knew someone would blame Israel, your so predictable.
Tim Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 3:21 am
When you see Israels hand in so many international incidents then you point to them until some proof convinces you otherwise.
Talk to intelligence agents you will understand what i am saying.
Mike Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 3:22 am
GOOGLE : MEXICO MOSSAD
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Prove it , what just because you write in capital letters gives you more credibility? Sickening post absolutely makes my stomach turn, the ignorance of some people. If folks like you are standing between goood and evil we havent a chance.
frank Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
AGAIN ….GO SUCK A DICK YOU ISRAELI AGENT, WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE, UNLIKE YOU , SOME PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO TRACK TO DOWN USER ON THE NET, AND BASED ON YOUR FILES , IM LOOKING THROUGH, I WOULP SAY YOUR A PEDOPHILE ISRAELI COCK SUCKER!
AMERICA NO LONGER IS A SLAVE OF ISRAEL, WE HAVE A MIND OF OUR OWN, f--- YOU AND THE ROTHSCHILDS, WE GOT YOUR ASS AND ISRAELS ASS ON LOCK BITCH!
WE ARE DITCHING ISRAEL, 10 YEARS AGO 80% OF AMERICANS WERE CLUESLESS TO WHY AMERICA IS A SLAVE OF ISRAEL, NOW 99% OF AMERICANS DONT GIVE A f--- ABOUT THE ZIONIST CRIMINAL STATE OF ISRAEL!!!!!!!!
WE ARE WAKING UP PUSSY, AND WE ARE GONNA LEAVE THE ARABS TO EAT YOU UP FOR TRYING TO f--- WITH AMERICA!
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
babyhuey, I am with you 100%.
Chris, please stop posting and get educated.
First, you need a physics lesson. The ability of an object to float in water depends on its density, not its weight (or “wait”, as you call it – spelling lessons will come later).
Second, you think it is strange for a passport to be found intact? TWA 800 blew up, yet there were human bodies recovered intact. Even if an aircraft explodes, not everything is blown into unidentifiable pieces.
Third, you obviously do not understand meteorology at all. Thunderstorms in the tropics can reach well above 50,000 feet, and no airplane can fly above them. The atmosphere is too thin. As far as your comment about the violent part of the storm being on the bottom, please do some research on updrafts, downdrafts, and mesocyclones.
June 11th, 2009 at 3:53 am
they shot it down with a missile
people on that same day saw a missile going over texas
they shot it down with a missile
the gov did it
June 11th, 2009 at 5:39 am
It’s all a bit fishy. Considering airbus & airfrance are both french it would be handy for the crash to be blamed on terrorists rather than faults & maintainance..
Chris Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:25 am
BS !! This is a proven aircraft with an almost perfect record since 1994 !!!! Airbus is the most advanced commercial aircraft in existence. Who are you working for, Boeing????
Air France is one of the best airlines in the world with highly paid and skilled employees and state of the art maintainance methods !!
Air France has the highest paid union employees in the airline industry and the French Government does not cut corners when it comes to maintaining its national airline.
Many low cost American carriers are practically third world status with outsourced poorly paid non-union employees and flying 30 + year old McDonald Douglas aircraft, so you shouldn’t criticise Air France.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:12 am
How convinient, I guess listed terrorists can get through security controlls afterall!
Atleast that’s what stupid people will believe when they are this on CNN and FOX.
All the best from Sweden.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:13 am
How convinient, I guess listed terrorists can get through security controls afterall!
Atleast that’s what stupid people will believe when they air this on CNN and FOX.
All the best from Sweden.
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June 11th, 2009 at 8:56 am
The truth is if something is not an accident somebody is responsible. That dumb statement is for people like baby huey. They think everything is under the control of fate. Governments in all history are responsible for wars and events that cause wars. We, blew up over 1 million men,women,and children in iraq that have done nothing to us. Why? Because that country might have WMD’s. Justify that and you are an idiot. You follow the same plan on your enemy and that is murder. Who are the real criminals? Now our government has turned inward. They are planning to cull the herd and probably will get away with it because people like baby huey are lost in their own fairy tale life. Make sure to get your flu shots, drink your floride water, and eat BP corn. It will all be over for you soon.
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
you talk as if you know what happened as fact, Please support your comment with some legitimate facts until then you are the one spouting fairytales. By the way I own my own farm grow my own food and have my own natural spring. If you think it will be over for me real soon come on out my way and I can show you. Dumb f---s like you are the one s who will show up at my door. Now tell me for a fact what happened , you cant cause you dont know your another ignorant piece of s--- follower of the pack. People like you are whom discredit legitimate issues like 911. You make me ill , I would just as soon slap you as to look at your childish ass.
Jon Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
It’s simple. Who benefited? Then look at the series of events that allowed the full course to complete.
Second, your own words will commit you when they push through the hate crime bill and then the thought crime bill. 911 allowed the gov to take freedoms away for protection,ha. It would be like having a war on flys by leaving your doors open. Then if there are no flys you can say look at all I am doing to fight flys. Our boarders are open and we have many angry people that loved us before we bombed the hell out of them. I am glad you are prepared. You are lucky. I don’t threaten anyone for their opinions. I have one friend that thinks Fox news is fair and balanced. We don’t slander eachother. That is something you may do to provoke a fight. That is very hard to do over the internet. I find people that do it on the net are different in person because they see who they are talking to. They slap back.
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Why dont you read all of the posts that slander me, no your just like the rest of the mindless followers. Who did you bomb , I have never bombed anyone . Sounds like you need to apologize to the world. Tell me then Jon who benefited? You have no clue what you are even talking about. Show something factual to back up all these bogus claims , you cant do it. Your all a bunch of false witnesses you make s--- up to further your own selfish agenda.
frank Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
ISRAEL = ALL THE WORLDS PROBLEMS….
I SAY THIS PROUDLY FROM CALIFORNIA TO MY HOME CITY OF NEW YORK, WE KNOW YOU ZIONIST RUN THE WHITE HOUSE, AND SOON ITS COMING TO AN END!
ISRAEL = THE REAL TERRORISTS!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I suppose this is what we get for allowing a *baby* to post in a *big boys* forum.
Oh, well. It takes all kinds, I suppose. I was just waiting for some gem of wisdom to emerge from the *baby*, here..but I was waiting in vain. I’m not surprised, though.
All I heard from this *baby* was crying, babbling, giggling..you know, the type of behavior that a *baby* is apt to exhibit. But a *baby* is incapable of critical thought, and rational discussion. So…why should we listen to what a *baby* posts when it’s all nonsense? (rhetorical)
Semper Fi, Chris in Colorado
YELLOWHAK1 Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
DR SARDONICUS JUST GAVE BABYHUEY HIS MEDICINE. MAYBE IT WAS SHOT DOWN WHEN THEY REALIZED THERE WERE TERRORIST ON BOARD. JUST KIDDING OF COURSE. WE COULD COME UP WITH SOOOO MANY POSSIBILITIES.
TO NOT IGNORANT: AS FOR THE LIGHTENING THEORY YES IT WAS INITIALLY REPORTED A POSSIBILITY.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:47 am
The fact that they have changed the story from the plane crashed because of lightning shorting out the main & back up electrical systems to now they say the pedo tubes froze over is in my mind suspicious.
Do you think trained pilots cant tell if their plane is going fast enough to stay in the air, OMG give me a break.
Even if that is true at the altitude they were cruising I’m sure they could of picked up enough speed to keep flying long before they hit the water.
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’d like to see you fly a plane at 35,000 feet through a thunderstorm with no instruments and multiple system failures and see how well you do.
June 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
stupid muslims are at it again …
June 11th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
When in doubt…… blame the current scapegoat boogie man.
In the end Muslims will be exonerated in ways they never imagined.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Wrong asshole , go make your ignorant ass comments that you yourself dont even agree with. I have seen your nonsence before.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
1.3 billion Muslims
10% radicial
is a bunch!
I know let’s bomb the hell out of them then leave our boarders open!
Brilliant!
Chris Reply:
June 12th, 2009 at 3:18 am
10% of Muslims are radical ???
LOL
If 10% were radical then they really could have orchestrated 9/11.
In reality there are 1% of Muslims who are radical and 100% of those were trained by the CIA or their mentors were ex-CIA agents.
June 11th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
babyhuey Reply:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Quote from Babyhuey: “…I bet your asses have grown roots…”
Look how long you spent commenting. You are a f---ing hypocritical idiot.
babyhuey Reply:
June 11th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
another irrelevent point . I am not sitting here waiting for you to respond .
June 12th, 2009 at 2:10 am
To not Ignorant – my coment was intended for “Lindberg” sorry to involve You. I’m not interested to argue with You because You are not what You call Yourself, and proud besides. That said I want to say I love Boeings as well as Airbuses, Embraers and other good a/c manufacturers.
What I really want to say is that like one man said – “they’d kill a city to kill one man”. Just listen to Zbigniew Brzezinski where he admits, that its easier to kill a million people than to control them. And it seems to be the case.
A few hints: What type of comercial aircraft performed successfull landing on Hudson river? Which type of comercial aircraft holds the record of the longest powerless (fuelless) glide in the world?
Not Ignorant Reply:
June 13th, 2009 at 12:39 am
Losing your engine power in calm weather is a lot different than losing all of your other controls in stormy weather. Try it in a simulator one day.
June 12th, 2009 at 2:51 am
? True or False…All Airline Pilots Are Traitorous Cowards..!!
June 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
If these muslims were known radicals then certainly they were on the watch list, the “no fly” list. So WHO allowed these persons onto the plane.
There must have been a CONCIOUS effort on some persons part to allow these people onboard the plane.
If the organs of the news media have access to this information then certainly the government and those responsible in government for the “no fly” lists would have gotten an alert on these passengers and would not have allowed them on the plane.
But apparently, the facts point to a probability that they WERE allowed on the plane.
So the question remains, WHO allowed these suspect, radical muslims onboard the plane?
And why?
June 12th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
If the documents pertaining to these radically linked muslimes were “highly classified” than the French officials certainly had these people’s names in their database and certainly they would not have been allowed on the flight.
So the question remains, WHO allowed these persons on the flight?
June 12th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
ISRAEL = THE REAL TERRORISTS!
June 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
BEHIND EVERY AMERICAN WHO CALLS FOR PEACE IS A TRUE CHRISTIAN
BEHIND EVERY AMERICAN WHO CALLS FOR WORLD WAR AND OPPRESION AND TORTURE IS A ZIONIST AGENT ……
LIKE LARRY KING, WOLF “THE JEW” BLITZER…..AND THE CHRISTIAN WHO CARED FOR AFRICA TURNED ZIONIST AGENT ANDERSON COOPER, f--- CNN, FOX AND ALL ZIONIST CONTROLLED MEDIA…..
ISRAEL IS NOT A LAND FOR REAL JEWS, REAL JEWS ARE NOT EVIL, ONLY ZIONISTS ARE EVIL!!!!!
ISRAEL = CRIMINAL STATE
ISRAEL = WORLD WAR
ISRAEL = CHILD KILLERS
ISRAEL = HELL ON EARTH
ONE MORE THING, f--- THE FBI AND CIA AND ALL THEM FEDARALIES…… AND f--- ISRAEL 1000000000 TIMES OVER….
I AM ONE OUT 100000 AMERICANS WHO HAVE LEARNED THAT ROTHSCHILDS BLACKMAILED AND CORRUPTED AMERICA USING THE FED, AND WE AINT TAKING THIS s--- NO MORE…..KICK ALL ZIONIST BACK TO ISRAEL, THEY ARE NOT WELCOME HERE!
June 13th, 2009 at 9:15 am
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June 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Such intense hatred for Israel is misplaced; clearly we have not learned from the Holocaust and Hitler’s reign. Not all Jews are bad; there are bad people in every race and color…it’s the seed of the wicked that we need to focus on dealing with; the reptiles, the ‘dragon that went to make war with the Woman and her Seed,’ lest we forget….
VancouverSucks Reply:
June 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
fine..not ALL jews are bad…just MOST.
June 14th, 2009 at 5:06 am
I see Bush and Cheney must of been on the plane.
June 14th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
What the hell does Clark Rockefeller have to do with any of this?????????
June 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
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