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The gun-rights fight isn’t over
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Brian Doherty / L.A. Times | June 27, 2008
(L.A. Times Opinion) – The Supreme Court’s decision in the District of Columbia vs. Heller case settles a long, heated debate, finding the 2nd Amendment protects an individual right to own weapons for self-defense — not merely a right related to membership in a “well-regulated militia.”
But the ruling doesn’t end the struggle over gun control, nor does it mean gun regulations have been eliminated. The court lists a number of laws the decision does not affect, including concealed-weapon prohibitions and “long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms.”
Still, even though the decision didn’t ban gun control outright, it did make a strong statement about our right to self-defense and safety.
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The city of Washington claimed its gun ban helped protect citizens. But the facts show how foolish it is to rely on gun control for safety.
Washington’s per-capita murder rate has exceeded the rate in 1976 (when the ban passed) every year but one since then. For 10 of the last 30 years, its murder rate was more than twice as high as in ‘76. The ugliest aspect of D.C.’s law was its implication that your life is not worth protecting — given that police cannot, and don’t promise to, protect you in every life-threatening situation.
Like other epochal Supreme Court decisions, Heller will give rise to a protracted legal and public-policy debate.
Leading gun-control advocates, such as the Brady Center, are already spinning Heller as a victory: They claim the gun-rights lobby’s strength is based on stoking the public’s slippery-slope fears that any gun regulation is a forerunner to a total ban. With that ban now impossible, gun-control advocates believe they’ll have more ability to restrict sales, possession and carrying in ways short of prohibition.
Gun-rights advocates, for their part, are expected to use this decision to challenge Chicago’s handgun ban next, attacking another important question: Does the 2nd Amendment apply to state and local or only federal laws?
The right at issue — an ancient right, preserved but not created by the 2nd Amendment — is that of self-defense. The gun-control debate will continue, but it is a blessing that the court has refused to deny us the means of protecting our homes and families.
Brian Doherty is a senior editor at Reason magazine and the author of the forthcoming book, “Gun Control on Trial.”
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June 27th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Thank god this was overturned… unfortunately there are still a lot of very naive people out there that think that the 2nd amendment is archaic and out-dated…
June 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
I wrote a blog exposing the double-speak and double-think of this supreme court ruling. Let’s propel it to the top of the myspace political blogs to get the TRUTH out there!
My blog can be read by ANYONE and can be commented on by any myspace member. Add me to your friends if you dig it.
http://www.myspace.com/chadpolenz
June 27th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
It’s a start in the right direction. As far as I’m concerned, anybody not imprisoned should be
allowed to possess a firearm, including ex-felons. They’ve done their time and are entitled to
the same rights as the rest of us, including the right to protect themselves and their property.
As far as mentally ill people, unless their mental illness can be demonstrated to absolutely
pose a threat to society, they should also be allowed to possess firearms. For instance, are
our soldiers returning home with PTSD to be denied the right to defend themselves. I wonder
how many would serve in the military if they were told if they return home with PTSD they’ll have
less rights than the criminals and the police.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
TAKE AWAY ALL GUNS FROM THESE IGNORANT CITIZENS. THEY ARE NOT QUALIFIED TO POSSESS ANY FIREARM. IF SO, THEY SHOULD CEHCK THEM IN TO A LOCAL ARMORY. ALL GUNS SHOULD BE CHECKED INTO A CENTRAL LOCATION. AN ARMED CITIZEN IS A DANGEROUS CITIZEN…SINCE THEY ARE SO IGNORANT.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Gun rights enthusiasts who believe that gun ownership in some way protects them from the U.S. military have another thing coming… Guns can’t protect you from psycho-tronic warfare. I guess it’s good to own a gun to protect yourself from other citizens, but you don’t stand a chance against beams of microwave radiation!
June 27th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
#4 jasmine,
First realize 50% of the worlds problems is bad parenting. Once that has sunk in, consider this. Neighborhoods that require you own a gun to build a house there, across the country, have not had a single break in. Guns secure the good people. The founding fathers anticipated crazy people getting guns and doing stupid stuff. All the more reason for us good people to have guns, to fight the bad. Good kills bad, this is how it works jas. Consider VA shooting recently, imagine if the people were armed, the death toll would more than likely be 1, the shooter. Instead of relying on the cops to flack jacket up for 2 hours, we the militia take care of these things, it’s an American responsibility to grow balls, and not cower.
We are supposed to be able to wield our weapons openly, on holster or rifle strap on back. This is how it was in America for some time, the streets were allot safer. The amount of people does not matter, some try to say since there are so many more crime increases. You must look at this as a ratio, amount of crime per person living. If you took guns away from the citizens of this country you do not destroy the ways criminals get guns on the black markets.
Great job, grow some.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Jasmine, you are completely wrong. Everyone has the right to have a gun, to protect themselves from other people, and the government. And if you do take them away, the government will still have them, and achieving a police state just becomes easier.
June 27th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
travis, if you read the courts ruling, it describes that the arms available may be used to raid armories and acquire more and better weapons, as the founding fathers did. microwave guns wont be a standard weapon in the event of a coup. there will still be many ground soldiers and ways to take out vehicles that have advanced weapons. God forbid this happens of course, but the amendment still provides a sufficient starting point for citizens.
June 27th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Yes this is a major victory. However, we still have a battle on our hands as not all of America is free to own guns. Too many cities and states are still being led by evil suppressors who will stop at nothing to squash the nation’s second amendment rights.
June 27th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
Hey Chad, nice MySpace article. I made a comment on your site.
Cheers,
FreeinTX
June 27th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
Great…another minor victory in an ongoing battle that will continue for as long there is an America…Kinda like the Iraq War, if you ask me…ongoing…with no end in sight. Guns won’t matter in the long run, especially not against a despotic government that has weapons far more advanced than any bullet firing piece o’ crap they sell at the gun shops. Don’t kid yourselves!
This machine will continue it’s path whether you like it or not. It can’t be stopped and will not be stopped and anyone who gets in its way wil be fuc#in crushed! The owners of this country will never give up what they have and just assume destroy most of the planet before they let you have it! This country is finished…Kapoot! Bamboozled! It’s been over for a long time and there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it. Well…you can complain, bitch, moan, scream and cry….but who gives a s---!
Spend time with your family, love one another enjoy the few freedoms you have now and fight to the very end when the time comes…This battle has been going on for a very long time and will always be going on long after you, I and everyone else are long gone.
June 27th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
To post 4, Jasmine: Sweetie, you have tunnel vision! Supposing WW3 breaks out,
and a group of male foreigners break down your door to loot, rape, and kill you.
Worse yet, uncircumsized men!!! Point is, it is your Constitutionally-mandated DUTY
to defend your country.
In Switzerland, it is law that every citizen (male) be armed, for just that reason.
Yes, we hate the weapons, but the world is what it is, and sooner than you might think,you will have a gun or else perish. No one has the right to take that away from you. THAT was the message sent through in the court’s decision.
It is pointless to quibble whom might have guns. And, frankly, I would be more
worried about a drunk with a gun than a felon. And, as to the mentally ill issue, what is to consider is the authorities’ defenition of that. If you so much as go to a
marriage counselor, you will lose your right to have a gun.
Back in 1991, there was a Leninist thing presented as the Bush Crime Bill. It would’ve
made registration of all guns mandatory.The extent of it was that if you had an
inoperable antique and it wasn’t registered with the feds, a mandatory 25-year prison sentence would come down on you. A bit harsh,eh? No surprize when nazis are trying to disarm this nation for a takeover. History repeats itself. Over and over.
The purpose to having guns is to prevent tyranny, and for self-defense. What the
bad guys do is less likely to happen if they fear their intended victims might be armed. Are you “getting it” yet? I ask you, and all others who think about guns the way you do, to think about what I have just explained. Common sense needs to
come to the forefront. We can’t afford to get locked up in hippie-esque disdain.
June 27th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Like Aaron Zelman said on Alex’s show the other day:
“Master the art of long range rifle shooting.”
June 27th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
It has somehow become unpopular to own firearms, the media did this to us. If everyone owned firearms it would be impossible to regulate, if we were armed to the teeth the NWO would come to a stop. The saddest part is if the redcoats showed up today they could take the city with muskets.
YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO OWN A FIREARM. Go to the next gunshow and buy a military surplus semi-automatic rifle (Ak47, G3, FAL, or cetme knock off… THE BAN IS OVER for now so buy them while you can, buy the 100rd beta mags, the 30rd mags), you are looking at $300-$500. If you are worried about paperwork do a private transaction with a citizen. Then go to your local range and have them teach you firearm safety (most ranges will do this for free). Learn how to shoot and teach your children how to shoot. Buy guns as gifts for people, Christmas is coming and there are millions of people in the US who have never shot a gun…STOP BEING SHEEP.
June 27th, 2008 at 11:37 pm
Malicious people kill people, NOT guns kill people anymore than cars kill people; it’s the user…
June 27th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I hate to say this, but the ones who worry me the most are many of my fellow liberals. We should
be the first to support the citizens’ right to possess firearms. We’re the ones always calling the
neocons a bunch of fascists, and rightfully so. For those of you who have some kind of fear of
firearms, such as your little kids getting ahold of them, let me give you 4 pointers on guns, not
from your enemy the police who want you disarmed, but from a fellow concerned citizen:
1) never point a gun at anybody unless you intend to protect yourself from them
2) whenever you decide to fire a gun, loaded or unloaded, assume it’s loaded and either shoot
into a telephone book (probably 2) if inside or shoot at a tree or some other object if outside
3)if you should decide to ever carry a gun with you, don’t be afraid to pull it out if necessary
and
4)once you pull it out if necessary, you better be willing to use it or the folks you are trying to
ward off will use it on you.
June 28th, 2008 at 12:23 am
The great thing is that I have the right to bear arms. But we as Americans need to be aware that the U.S. Constitution only protected us from the federal government infringing our rights to own and bear arms. Nothing is mentioned about State Storm Troopers coming to our door and telling us that the state government has decided to force us to get a weapons permit to take the firearm with us for protection as we leave our house. This clarification is not a victory for gun owners. It will only lead to our having a biometric chip implanted in order to take the firearm out of our house. We are going to be disarmed by the state and local governments if we are not carefull. This Clarification is a loss not a victory. And don’t ever believe it is a victory. The supreme court has now efectively locked our guns in our oun houses. You watch
June 28th, 2008 at 1:38 am
States can not take away a right granted by the US Consitution. Lets look at it another way” Can the state of Texas re-impose slavery on certain of its citizens? or cancel Free Speech”. I thought not!. This simple argument should put to rest the claim by some that the Heller argument only applies to Federally controlled entities such as D.C. but not to individual States.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:57 am
You guys need to see this, our elections are now completly rigged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzPXer7946E
June 28th, 2008 at 2:02 am
Read carefully; “A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a ferr state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.”
James Madison argued the point with many others that the people need to fear the federal standing army due to the tendancy of government toopress the people. By argueing for the second amendment he and others made guarantee the ability of the people to stand against federal opression or take over. This point was debated extensively because the fear of federal power exceeding that of the individual states and the people. THE RIGHT OF THE POEPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS IS INTENDED TO “REGULATE THE MILITIA” OF THE FEDERAL INSTITUTION! If the debates of our forefathers are read and remembered there is no question about this right. The idea of self protection is true, however in those days it was to protect oneself from federal powers (such as King George!) not to merely protect oneself from a crackhead mugger.
Keep your arms, no matter what some idiot may proclaim as “law”, we are collectively responsible for the protection of our nation and freedom. Be a true Patriot, stay prepared and fear no other man. Our Constitution and Bill of Rights have delivered that to our hands.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:34 am
I have yet to read a rational announcement that it is not words on paper that either protect or grant an individuals “right” to protect their choices. My “right” to carry, own or use weapons in whatever way I find necessary is not granted by nor can be questioned by some government body or a court. My “right” to life is determined by the force I’m willing to use to protect it and it can not be determined by any creation of another man, collective group of men nor some mystical entity.
a “right” only has meaning when dealing with other men as it is handed down to you by a government body …… in reality it is not a “real” word and is meaningless.
all I see are a bunch of sheep waiting around for some government body or anyone else you consider an authority over your life to tell you what is real, how you are to think and act in your daily life. and the whole time your very short consciousness in this realm is stolen from you by the very act of thinking paper or someone elses opinion should rule over you.
will it really matter what some paper says or “authority” states on whether it is or is not “legal” to own/use a firearm in the coming watermellon wars. When the green communists tell you that you have to pay them to breath….will someone elses idea of reality really matter…… will you ask permission first of a government authority if its ok for you, your family to protect yourself?
Might is right and I won’t cower because a fraking watermellon says so…..
June 28th, 2008 at 7:53 am
There should be no question that the 2nd amendment also applies to state and local laws. Because if it does not, any city or state could pass a law that revokes all your rights!
June 28th, 2008 at 8:15 am
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June 28th, 2008 at 8:27 am
The Second Amendment should never be touched or adjusted.
Think people—
if they are messing with it they are changing it for their “NWO” needs,this applies to all the other Amendments too.
June 28th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Only the Police, Government & Military Personnel should have the right carry weapons. Any other person found carrying weapon should be arrested or sent to detention camp for interrogation.
June 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am
The British called – They want their guns back!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=0c4_1213337296
A shooting of 2 criminals in Britain, ends in one of the criminals dead the other jailed for less time than the home owner defending his life. Gun Control is out of control causing criminals to be able to access guns easier, and law abiding citizens have lost their rights to defend themselves.
Watch this NWO Anna…….
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June 28th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Anna has to be a shill. No one can be this stupid. Anna, WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT! Do you not understand the US at all? WE arm the police, or WE disarm them if WE decide. The government is NOT the cops, it us US! (citizens)
June 28th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Anna banana the instigator.
The should send you to a camp for perfection in the field of bootlicking.
June 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
The 2nd amendment should not even be up for discussion or debate or changed.We the people are suppose to be controling the Government,police force also.Who do you think pays there salaries,the treasonist Gov has totally flip flopped our society.They used the illegal IRS taxes to accomplish there goals of total enslavement for all the weapons they are planning on using on us.We have been betrayed by the traitors in Washington.Bush and Cheny should have been impeached along time ago.Seems to me our elective officals are just as guilty.All these traitors have the blessing of the United Nations.The UN is an evil enity in it self.In the end,all this evil will be wiped off the face of this earth,and all traitors will be included in this wiping.So be it.All you NWO people you belong to satan,you will be joining him for all eternity.Your masters belong to satan.
June 28th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
YOU PEOPLE ARE ALL GUN LOVING IDIOTS. I WORRY ABOUT ALL OF YOU MORE THAN THE GOVT. SO FAR, THE GOVT CLEANS THE STREETS, KEEPS ORDER, AND KEEPS THE SCHOOLS SAFE. YOU PEOPLE SIT ON YOUR REAR AND COMPLAIN. DO NOTHING PEOPLE. SO WHAT IF THE GOVT IS THE ONLY TO HAVE THE GUNS? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN ANYWAY? AMERICANS, EVEN WHEN ARMED DON’T FIGHT BACK WHEN FACING GUN CONFISCATION. KATRINA VICTIMS DIDN’T FIGHT BACK WHEN THEY WERE DISARMED. SO, YOU WON’T EITHER. ALL THAT “COME AND TAKE IT” TRASH TALK IS WORTHLESS. YOU’RE NOTHING. YOU’RE WEAK. AND WEAK NOTHING PEOPLE DON’T DESERVE GUNS. THAT’S WHY GOVT NEEDS THE GUNS TO PROTECT ME FROM LOSERS LIKE ALL OF YOU. LOSERS WHO THINK 911 IS AN INSIDE JOB. GIVE ME A BREAK. AND NOW YOU WANT A GUN? ARE YOU CRAZY? CONSPIRACY LOVING, GUN LOVING LOSERS WHO DO NOTHING BUT SIT BEHIND A COMPUTER AND COMPLAIN. I PREFER THE GOVT WHO ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING RATHER THAN ALL OF YOU.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
jasmine = anna
“LOSERS WHO DO NOTHING BUT SIT BEHIND A COMPUTER AND COMPLAIN”
….accuses others of what he/she is doing. ; }
June 28th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Wow jasmine, You think all we do is sit on our butt and post comments? You have no idea who we are, or what we do. We are trying to save this country from tyranny, even if you don’t see it that way.
“I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death for your right to say it.”
If you don’t believe in protecting the rights for everybody, even for those you despise, then you don’t believe in it at all.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Speaking of weak, crazy, worthless, trash-talking idiots — Jasmine: It’s time to wipe your mouth. You should probably use a whole roll of Charmin because you just had a really messy vowel movement.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
if ur in my yard at night, you’ll be there in the morning. try a ruger mark111, 22. Its not about killing. Men like guns. Its that simple. Always have and always will. What agency exactly are you working for/
June 28th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
Dear Jasmine, you are a naive idiotic sheep. You are the weak because you trade freedom for security. You are a overprotective nanny with no brain. Seriously go spray febreeze all over your nice little house put on and kill yourself because you are not worthy to be a human being.
By the way, writing in capital letters does not make your comments stronger nor more credible or valuable. The fact you wrote that comment in capital letters proves me you are an imbecile of the worst kind, the pretentious one.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
To: Jasmine
The government does a lot of things its not suppose to do. Infact, it does too many things its not suppose to do; and, it also doesn’t do things its suppose to do.
June 28th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
florfina-
What is anna? Please explain and what doe Jasmine=anna mean?
June 28th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
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Come join in and listen to the TRUTH about how the NWO is trying to establish a One World Government
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June 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
Dear Jasmine, the govt. doesn’t keep order, or schools safe. Where did you get an idea like that? EVERY time there has been a school shooting incident, the govt. did not stop it. You see, the police can only react to what already happen. The police can, hopefully, catch the person(s) who committed the crime, but never stop it.
The reasons the victims of Katrina didn’t fight back was because for one they where out-armed. Two, those people are good law abiding citizens. They, unlike your comment, are civil. You don’t shoot at anyone, including the govt, unless it’s for self-defense. There life where not threaten, but there civil rights where violated. I thank god that YOU don’t have a gun, because you are an uncivil, scared, misinformed fascist.
June 28th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
#38
anna is a poster on this site that spews propaganda…usually textbook one liners straight from the government playbook with the intended outcome to incite, irritate, and provoke.
They sound too similar to be 2 different people, tho they could be.
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You know…great light draws bugs.
Par for the course.
June 28th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Whats going on with the Podcasts this week, Wednesday’s was broken[something about the server] and now I cant get Friday’s broadcast either?
June 28th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Of Course, Wednesday’s Show was a special one detailing the new events/revelations surrounding the Building #7 collapse. I hope This show will be made available for all[beyond.tv members] !
June 28th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
If every law abiding citizen carried a gun there would be less crime period! All this hype about how many people die each year from hand guns. What about the hundreds of thousands that die each year from the drugs put out by the pharmaceutical cartel and doctors that prescribe this poison? Hell, more people die from this alone then all the street drugs in the world.
What about all the deaths each year from car accidents? Maybe we should start banding cars.
What about all the deaths caused from the poisons we eat called food?
Even the fact that this issues about the 2nd amendment has come to the table has been scary enough or at the least raised a huge red flag on what is about to happen.
Yea, maybe the court has thrown us all another bone to keep us passive for awhile longer, but like they said, it isn’t over yet and won’t be until the entire bill of rights are totally gone.
They are already only they just haven’t told us yet.
Amerika, here we come.
June 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pm
Although I agree less crime is a strong argument to ban gun control, our strongest argument should remain that we need to protect ourselves from the police state, that was the original foundation of the second amendment. I love the British but I cannot understand what they were thinking or what pressures they were facing when they handed over theirs… foolish…
June 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
No guns means no shootings ! It makes perfect sense! Only a left-wing whacko would believe otherwise. Police should have guns and not civilians! There is no conspiracy. Cops are just like you and me , they want to protect you and your family. They protect your family. Theyre your Friends. Lets be adults and put down the guns .
June 28th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Thought you might like to hear the opinion of an outsider looking in…
These days a lot of people here in Australia can’t help but roll their eyes when yet another massacre in the US makes the headlines. That it keeps happening and that no one can do anything about it would almost be laughable if it wasn’t for the fact that people are dying everyday in your country.
Gun control’s existed here for more than a decade, and I’ll tell you now that our right to safety seems so much more assured knowing that any Joe Blow can’t just wander into the corner shop and pick up such a deadly weapon.
This talk about protection is rediculous. There’s a million ways someone can protect him or herself during a life threatening situation (particuarly if the chances are that your attacker isn’t carrying a gun). And if you seriously think that your firearms are going to keep you safe in the case that your federal institutions go mad with power as the US decends into some kind of police state then you’re just deluded. Getting yourself informed, speaking out and rocking up on election day are far more effective “weapons” of protection from your own government than a bloody rifle!
Sure, your forefathers obviously thought the right to bear arms was an important right for Americans to have in their time, but they also understood that this kind of thinking could become outdated and ultimately need to be changed – hence they allowed for the possibility of amendmants…
June 28th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
GUNS are your liberty TEETH. Never mind the guy from Australia and his EMPTY talk about laying down your firearms because he’s already a SLAVE with a SLAVE mentality. Plus, he doesn’t live in The United States where we have a Bill Of Rights that affirm our Godgiven rights that NOBODY can take away, not even the gubment.
June 28th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
It’s about control.
This government was designed to reflect the best the mankind could offer in the way of government, and as students of history our founding fathers found their inspiration in ancient Rome and decided that a government to be ruled for the people, by the people, was best a, Republic.
Not a Democracy mind you, which our founding fathers feared, as mob rule, an anecdote they used when describing a democracy, was that it was two wolves and a sheep deciding what’s for dinner. They had no interest in trading one tyrant two thousand miles away for two thousand tyrants one mile away, no, In a Republic there are certain Rights which are given ,or endowed, by your creator, and these fundamental rights could not be take away from you, not by vote nor tyranny. To this effect our founders struggled to come up with a system which would prevent our newly created Republic from doing what all bureaucracies naturally tend to do, grow. Grow to the point of no longer serving the interests of the People, but rather only serving the interests of itself, tyranny, which is exactly what befell their model, Rome, and what happened to Rome?
So there lies the problem, one of many they faced. How do they maintain a Republic for the people, by the people without letting it slip into tyranny, into an Empire? How do they keep the control in the hands of the people?
Our founders were truly great men, for they knew what all great men should know, that they do not know everything. So their answer came in a contract, the Constitution, in my humble opinion, the single most amazing advancement the world had known.
Within lay the malleable framework of our Republic, meant to last into the ages because it was designed to bend and flex where needed so it could never be obsolete and the spine of the design, the answer to maintaining a Republic in the hands of the people, was the Bill of Rights. When viewed in this context, it’s easy to see what theses Amendments were designed to do, keep the People free. Just as Rome became an Empire, our founders knew that the same fate could and would befall all government, so they imbedded within our Constitution, certain clauses, along with our Bill of Rights, to prevent this and if needed combat this natural trend. They made sure the power would be with The People.
As Citizens of this united Republic, the responsibility is ours to enact, invoke and utilize these Rights and clauses whenever the size and scope of our beloved Republic grows beyond the boundary of its original purpose. Sadly to this effect We the People, have failed. Why and how is a topic for a whole other discussion, but the effect is that we as a People are less free, we have less rights. Our Rights are trampled on a daily basis and our Constitution is not enforced. One only needs to look at how this country goes to war to see how badly eroded our freedoms are. We our bound by the Constitution to put congress to vote for a declaration of war, prior to going to war, this ensures Us the freedom of choice, to choose the fate of our Republic, and ourselves, but when was this done last? I don’t blame this Administration, because this one is only doing what was allowed to be done by the previous one, and next will do the same to be sure, because once obtained, bureaucracies never willingly relinquish power.
If you want to see who is to blame for this you only need to look in the mirror. It is Our fault. Whether, by fear mongering, manipulation, or ignorance, We, neglected our responsibilities, We, let our grasp slacken and now the beast of Our creation is loose, trampling its creator. We have only ourselves to blame, and likewise we have only ourselves to reclaim Our power, Our control.
Now, when it comes to the 2nd Amendment, it was designed with the same intent as the other nine.
This Amendment refers to the “people”, which in every other Constitutional interpretation of every other instance “the people” refers to the collective right of the people. The “militia”, when defining it in the way our founders saw it, was not the National Guard, it was informal, where service was voluntary and whose purpose was to fight a defensive war against aggressors. A modern-day equivalent that comes to mind might be the French resistance fighters during WWII, who fought the Nazis and the puppet French government.
So in the founders view, the 2nd Amendment was, to paraphrase:
Because the ability to have at any time an effective resistance force is essential in ensuring and maintaining a Free State, the right of the people to have weapons should never be violated by the government.
It has nothing to do with hunting. It has nothing to do with protecting your home from robbers or drug addicts. It has everything to do with bestowing the responsibility of ensuring and maintaining a Free State squarely on the shoulders of The People, it’s meant to serve. We are essentially the guardians of Our Republic. When viewed with this in mind gun legislation, becomes absurd, and as some suspect sinister. Absurd, because gun legislation will only ever keep guns out of the hands of people who already obey the law. While the ones who don’t will always have access to guns. Absurd because gun legislation will turn law obeying citizens interested in self preservation, a fundamental human trait, into criminals. Absurd, because gun legislation makes us more susceptible to violent crime. Absurd, because gun legislation, will never remove the guns from the bodyguards of the rich and powerful who push for gun control.
Sinister, because gun legislation turns citizens into serfs. Sinister, because gun legislation has always been the first steps taken by every Dictatorship and tyrannical government, essentially it removes the ability of the People, to perform the very task they were entrusted with by the founders, the preservation of the Republic.
In the end We are responsible for ourselves out actions and our inactions. The right and ability to maintain a free Republic is the responsibility of every citizen, and it requires that we are knowledgeable, willing and able to fulfill our duties. Loosing any one of these reduces us to salves and serfs, and little by little our Rights and the ability to enforce them are taken away, until we, like Rome turn into an Empire ruled by the elites, only to fall as all Empires do, because they rule without the consent of the governed.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
#46
cops do not protect. They investigate and arrest AFTER the crime is done. That is if they can even find who committed the crime. “Unsolved” and “cold cases” are in the thousands. If they were to protect, then they would be on every street corner. One person out of millions commits a crime of shooting openly and randomly in a crowd with the intent to kill- does not mean all should be disarmed.
Shall we ban knives?
Shall we ban baseball bats?
Shall we ban tire irons?
Shall we ban rope?
Shall we ban hate?
Shall we ban anger?
Heard that the crime rate went up EVERYWHERE guns were confiscated.
Apparently you live in a marshmallow world where the sun is always shining and you were never confronted with great bodily harm, or your wife or girlfriend with rape. Oh yeah..just tell her to submit and wish a cop strolled around the corner to save her.
June 28th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
It’s too bad you people can’t see what the Supreme Court really did. You all clamor that you took a red pill and you see things for what they really are. All you did was take a placebo and convinced yourselves it was a red pill.
The Supreme Court eroded more gun rights in that one ruling than all the others combined.
Mike Rivero mad an interesting comment but like all the others he makes, his was myopic.
What was does the Second Amendment say? A well regulated militia being necessary to a free state…
What did the Supreme Court rule on? The right to own a gun for self defense. The two are totally different.
Now, itf the FedGov or the StateGov outright declared that they would protect the individual from crime, the right to own a gun for self defense goes right out the window.
Of course, there are rulings in every state and in district courts which absolve the law enforcement from liabilities through neglect in their duties. Meaning that if the state or FedGov doesn’t show up to take care of the bad guy and you get killed or whatever, you cannot seek compensation for their inaction or incompetence.
They didn’t make that ruling casually. It was deliberate and methodical. It was designed to present the illusion to you blue pill junkies that you still have rights when in fact you have none at all.
Alex Jones is a bitch who censors comments!
June 28th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Jasmine=anna, Your a bootlicker,I bet you watch fox news too
June 28th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
If Jasmine becomes a victim, the government won’t be there to save her hyde.
June 28th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
Frankly, I can’t wait for the NWO, police stste, all-guns-banned-thing, etc.. It will be all the excuse I need. What fun! P.S., Jasmine…hope to meet you in a dark alley someday….
June 28th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
>>SO FAR, THE GOVT CLEANS THE STREETS, KEEPS ORDER, AND KEEPS THE SCHOOLS SAFE.<>YOU PEOPLE SIT ON YOUR REAR AND COMPLAIN.<>KATRINA VICTIMS DIDN’T FIGHT BACK WHEN THEY WERE DISARMED. SO, YOU WON’T EITHER.<>YOU’RE WEAK. AND WEAK NOTHING PEOPLE DON’T DESERVE GUNS.<>THAT’S WHY GOVT NEEDS THE GUNS TO PROTECT ME FROM LOSERS LIKE ALL OF YOU.<>LOSERS WHO THINK 911 IS AN INSIDE JOB.<>I PREFER THE GOVT WHO ACTUALLY DOES SOMETHING RATHER THAN ALL OF YOU.<<
You mean the government that is destroying the same document that they swore to protect.
June 28th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
IF THE THUGGYS CAN HAVE GUNS, WHY NOT THE COMMON FOLKS???..FIRM BELIEVER, CROSS MY PROPERTY YOU IS A GUNNER!!..WHY NOT?? HUNG -OVER COPS DO IT!!! BOTTOM LINE ,THE WORLD IS ON THE WATCH LIST FOR DEC 21-24, 2012..THE BOGGEY-MAN, THE ALIEN (NOT THE FREINDLY E.T.) SOMEBODY SPOOKY IS COMING!!!..(LOL)!!!
June 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm
Hey Cpl. Cadaver, I just read your comment, so I guess Alex didn’t censor you. I agree mostly. Yes It turned our right to protect against Tyranny into the right to shoot varmints. You don’t need an “asault rifle” for hunting and self-defense do you? I am sure AKs,ARs,SKSs, and such will be the first targets. The masses will say we don’t need them kinda guns for hunting, and there really not a “defensive” weapon for city folk. So when they say hunting and self defense, They REALLY mean Handguns for Rich city folk and Hunting Rifles for Rich Country folk. Say good buy to the cheaper autoloaders that I can afford. A well regulated Militia ( short term volunteers standing in line with there own rifles) being necessary to the security of a Free State(The Republic), The Right(God given) of the People( You and I) to Keep(Have,own) and Bear( Carry, pack) Arms( AKs, ARs, even M16s) Shall Not be Infringed! I think they have been infringing for a long time and tis current ruling will actual decrease firearm ownership.
June 28th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
IGNORANT MARINE: where do we get the moral authority international authority to bomb nuke or starve people to death? people like you and powers that be i dare not speak its name. i might be deemed a terrorist.
June 28th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
I am not sure if anyone here has clarified what congress actually ruled on. I know that the GOVT. WANTS US TO BE ARMLESS. should what Cpl. Cadaver Says: “The right to own a gun for self defense.” and proceeded to say “itf the FedGov or the StateGov outright declared that they would protect the individual from crime, the right to own a gun for self defense goes right out the window” Well in this instance I SEE A HUGE ISSUE I feel none of Yall have yet touched on that is…. With the increase of Police and or the infiltration of our very own military to be utilized as police there would then be this easily outright declaration that they would indeed protect the individual from crime. and of course still have a disclaimer…. IE I see a huge assurance, of the ushering in of the POLICE STATE. Well As I KNOW this police state is already here I just see the other foot entering the door. Honestly those who dont folow the already existing gun laws are the ones we are all worried about right??? well in that case what the hell makes anyone think they will adhear to an outright bann??? HONESTLY?” so only the very bad guys would have fire arms unless of course they did as they did in New orleans where I have personally witness multitudes of media of the elderly being thrown to the floor and Stripped of their arms and then shackled. ALL IN ALL The day we give up our arms is the day we will witness foreign military troops and tanks patrolling our cities. AND DISARMING our PERSONS and killing our Persons.
It KILLS ME! The potential to do such miraculous wonderful things throughout the world our country once had, to see us having become what we have! Oh oh oh you… anyone reading this should now research on how to become a sovereign citizen. Sovereigns are the only peoples actually under the bill of rights and the constitution, this terrible faulty erudite americant GOVERNMENT Needs to learn a few things and I guess ultimatley we are part of the problem afterall Americant has only gotten this way due to our ignorance NOT THEIRS for it is their intelligence! A SAD LOSS for US A MAJOR WHOPP’N WIN FOR THE ELITE! LETS THINK OF IT THIS WAY THEY ARE THE AMERICANTS WE ARE AMERICANS. DO SOMETHING
As goes the first comment the Mayan calendar is round: YOU TELL ME WHERE THE HELL THE ENDING IS!
2012 is the date of the beginning of a new era the new age if you will. we will be exactly at our galactic center on that date where it is believed we had initially started from! Hence a COMPLETE CYCLE! I believe this is going to be monumental in our understanding as a whole and not outright noticeable but gradual WATCH I AM VERY VERY RARELY WRONG FOR GOD IS WITHIN ME as he or she is within each and everyone of yall, therefor there is nothing we cant do should we TRY! Attend neighborhood watch and start socializing and expanding this awareness within your immediate neighborhood, should anything get too bad these are those you will have to turn to for help or trust…. GET CONGRAGATED!
June 28th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Alex I dont think your a bitch,
June 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I personally don’t own a gun, but Im beginning to think i should.
June 29th, 2008 at 1:19 am
Jasmine; Wipe your chin…I’m sorry I meant drip rail!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Linda: Jizm…I mean jasmine probably craves that!!! She’s FIIIIIINNNNNEEEE!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:24 am
Anna:I got your snapper right here!!!!!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:26 am
#31 Jizm: Once again wipe your drip rail!!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:27 am
George: Dedede!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 1:41 am
Ozark Juggalo: Maybe this all about “chicken huntin’” or a fat bitch named bridget!!! Or just a taste of Faygo too!!! Steady takin’ cannon balls to the balls!!!FTW…FTW!!!
June 29th, 2008 at 5:08 am
since most posted here already, I’m still hoping for answers.
Can anyone point (no pun intended!) me to a few gun selections that I could go look at to purchase?
I know absolutely zip about guns so I know I’ll have to have some pretty intensive training regarding handling/cleaning/bullets etc.
Where I live we can conceal carry with a permit, and do have to prove we can handle it first and get some cert of some kind.
The criteria I think I’m looking for is
easy to use
fits in my hand well
no huge bulky ones, but one easily carried-even in a shoulder ‘holster’/purse etc
has a good track record of reliability
and what else I do not have a clue
I’ll wait for your replies-if any
thanks
June 29th, 2008 at 6:15 am
okay so when they take the guns from those of us who are legal and registered…do they think thats gonna solve the problem for illegal fire arms…uh no…those who get guns illegal willl continue too…leaving use defenseless against corner store hood rats/ criminals..leaving us defenseless against an over bearing govt. i dont know…im drunk…correct me if im mwrong
June 29th, 2008 at 6:23 am
oh and by the way hillbilly..go get your g.e.d. you f---ing worship clowns mother f---er..this isnt a f---ing jugallo clown s--- talk. this is serious intelligent s---..if you sit around listening to clowns wrap about chicken hunting you probably have a f---ing pea brain. grow some nutz and try putting in some real s--- thats relevant and makes sense. the f---ing make up has gone to your head. chicken hunt my cock you f---ing painted up pussy.
June 29th, 2008 at 6:44 am
More guns = less crime??? Bulls---.
I’m pro-gun as of April 17th 2007 (the day I discovered the truth behind 9/11) but saying the above is the dumbest s--- not to come out of Bush’s mouth.
Anyway, the 2nd ammendment was put there so the people could raise against an oppressive government. Today the U.S has one, but no one is trying to starta revolution so what’s the point.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:16 am
Hillbily Jihad&TheBackwoodLibrarianFrontOfYaBums
Howdy there Hillbily how they hangin!!!
You really wanna know what us Aussie, Aussie, Aussie, Oi, Oi, Oi’s have got???
Well your right on with the “You f---ers’ rolled over and gave up your guns” bit, Spot On.
But there was a very good reason for the rolling over bit “apart from being able to give our pet wombats a quick fondle”, goddamn “that gets me as horny as a rackoon on speed”.
The reason is we have a secret weapon, millions of secret weapon’s, and this plan was put in place just after our diggers got back from WW11 (toughest, meanest, most fearless & bravest f---ers that ever went in to battle, and thats a fact). When the surviving diggers got back from the battle, they knew this whole Globalist s--- would hit the fan, so they set to training Kangaroos in the finer points of boxing, millions of the tough bouncy bastards. Now Kangaroos can punch the s--- out of, and kill, a good Aboriginal boxer any day of the week (Roo’s are natural boxers, real mean tough bastards) , but the diggers knew these Roo’s would have to be ready for the Globalists when they come in early 2009. So i am pleased to say that at present our ranks of Kangaroos number 12,328,000, and they are spread out across all parts of Australia. The moment any Globalist sets foot on our soil, these Roo’s will belt the living f--- out of em, they are the most rabid f---ing things you have ever seen in your life, and kick, have you seen how far those legs propel them? 260 feet in a single f---ing “hop” , iv’e personaly seen a full grown Red Kangaroo (standing 9′ 10″ tall when erect) kick a 175 pound Wombat a touch over 610 feet, i was only fondling the poor furry f---er 5 minutes previous, i think the Roo took offence, i’m only glad it didn’t turn on me, don’t get me wrong i can handle the savage f---er’s, it’s just that it was a stinkin hot Aussie outback day, and these f---in Roo’s have got more stamina than that Yank cyclist Lanky Armsalong. I really wasn’t in the mood to fight the bouncy c--- for 19 hours straight (the longest iv’e gone for with one) it was a real shame to kill it in the end. Iv’e heard of a Tasmanian back in 1865 that fought one for 78 hours straight, the sad thing is they both dropped dead at exactly the same time, that’s why i’m not particularly fond of standing toe to toe with em.
So Hillbily there you have it, now……what have you got???
June 29th, 2008 at 7:31 am
if I recall, and history was not re-written too much, the revolution that occurred in this country was one of defense first, not of naked aggression. It was defense in response to the oppressive tactics of the English; that they were killing colonists first. A handful had a bellyfull and the rest of the population was dragged into the fray and lost their choice to stay neutral not caring passive wimps and could not ignore it anymore-because they were now being shot at and their rear ends were in danger.
Correct me if I’m wrong…kindly please.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:55 am
LOL @ Aussie.. You have missed one thing, the globalists are already on Australian soil. Have been for some time.
June 29th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Mattmosley, you sir are incorrect. If you are in the belief of more guns = less crime is bulls--- — please post a sign on your front lawn: “GUN FREE HOMESTEAD”. Crime goes down when criminals realize you could be a wolf in sheeps clothing.
Oh, yes, the Revolution has already started; open your eyes & get on board.
June 29th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Crime has risen exponentially. Gun confiscation always leads to genocide. Check history. Armed, people can protect themselves. Illegal guns can be obtained by criminals…from the cops. These school, subway and beltway shootings are linked to the CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6 – who are owned by, guess who, folks – the Black Pope, assassins of the world. As for our ‘Aussie (slang for Yank)’ friend, he’s OWNED by one of the Lions Whelps, who is owned by the Lioness herself – nazi queen El(ohim)-Lizard-Beth(II) herself.
June 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
If the NWO makes the first move,
My answer will be the 7.62.
Matt mosley, More guns DO = less crime, that is not an opinion, but statistical FACT. Neighborhoods that REQUIRE you have firearms to build a house there have NEVER been broken into. I see these ADT or other security ads and its disgusting, relying on a system of cops that take forever. Usually some brainwashed domesticated mom and her kid. BUY A GUN, GROW SOME, SHOOT THE ASSMASTER who decided to break into the wrong home. Now this pathetic excuse for a human being will never break into another home again and put at risk another good family, because you stopped it. Crime has increased because of our ability to carry weapons on us has been infringed, you cannot carry on a holster or rifle on back a weapon in public. You used to be able to until the mass conditioning and domestication of our society started. Not having people armed on the streets gives the criminals the upper hand. We need to be able to wield weapons in the open again, to SECURE the streets. If some criminal tries to grow a brain and rob someplace, you have allot more good people armed. This was founding father intention! The cops are not supposed to fulfill this purpose, they are only supposed apprehend!
How about this? If they did take citizens ability to get guns, the criminals will still have the black market to get guns and ammo. Now, the good people are un-armed while the gangsters and mobsters are armed. Great job simple logic!
A cop is never around when you need one, only when one needs YOU.
June 29th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
If you like the 7.62 you’ll love the .338, its made for hunting large game.
http://www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspx?id=50
June 29th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
The thing that is nice about 7.62×39mm is the price. You can buy 1000 rds. of Wolf Military Classic for under 200.00. My AK shoots this ammo all day. I won’t run the Wolf through my ARs though, brass cases only. That makes that DPMS much more expensive to shoot, .338. Hell I can hardly afford my .223/5.56 ammo.
June 29th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
Infowars Chat Room is now up and running. Come and chat about whatever you want to chat about. http://infowarschat.com
June 29th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
WE NEED A COMMITTEE TO DECIDE WHO CAN HAVE GUNS. NONE OF YOU ARE QUALIFIED, BECAUSE YOU’RE ALL CONSPIRACY LOVING FRIGGIN IDIOTS
June 30th, 2008 at 12:09 am
jasmine: i thought we did. how young are you anyways. are your parents in law enforcement or what? possibly an only child maybe one brother or sister living in suburbia.
June 30th, 2008 at 6:57 am
A message of reassurance, to all fellow “Defenders of Freedom” throughout the World.
Due to recent concerns expressed by fellow “Freedom Fighters”, in regards to us Aussies rolling over and giving up our guns to the Government (Puppet Show), and therefore not being able to contribute to the coming conflict with the Globalist NWO. I feel that an explanation is warranted.
There was a very good reason for the rolling over bit.
The reason is, us Aussies have a secret weapon, millions of these weapons in fact. The early
pioneers of these alternative secret weapons, were many of our surviving diggers that had just returned from WWII. These diggers (that had fought, and the many that had died, for “our freedom”) knew this whole Globalist s--- would hit the fan someday, and before this would eventuate, future generations would be manipulated into giving up their guns “in the belief it would make for a safer society”. Now these diggers knew that Aussies without guns “would merely be “sheep” set for slaughter”. So an initial plan was formulated by three diggers that lived in the Australian outback. These three diggers knew that there was something that “would” counter the loss of firearms……..Kangaroos!!!. The Australian outback had hundreds of thousands of them, these diggers knew from previous encounters, that there was not a meaner, savager or more dirty fighting creature on the face of the earth than the Roo’.
Fact:-
One of these particular Roo’s had been sent over to a Zoo in Africa in 1927. The African’s had not been told how high a Roo’ can bound, it was only in the enclosure for 15 seconds before it bounded the fence (cleared the top of it by 89 feet) and hopped off into the Kalahari desert. When it escaped, trackers and keepers set off to capture it, what they came across six hours into the chase has become the stuff of legend. Before them was the most horrific sight they had ever witnessed. Around a near dried up waterhole were the various body parts of 3 bull elephants, 8 buffalo, 2 cobras, 16 hyenas, 1 girrafe, 6 lions, and bits’n'pieces of a partridge still in the pear tree. Needless to say the trackers and keepers hightailed it back to the Zoo and the Roo’ was never seen again. Over the next 34 years the dismembered bodies of 103,891 African animals where blamed on the Roo’, it is believed to be the main cause of such low numbers of wildlife in Africa today……..That was just one Roo’.
A Roo’ won’t hurt us, even if boxing one toe to toe (a favourite Australian pastime). A Roo’ is only dangerous to Man when it knows it is being hunted, that’s when they become a raging rabid killing machine, as testimony to the deaths of approx 8,000 Roo Shooters from various parts of Australia over the years. One Roo shooter that was lucky to survive back in 1949, wrote down on a Statutory Declaration that over the course of two months hunting a Roo’ he ran out of ammo after firing 4,012 rounds from a 303 into it.
The original three diggers, one of which was Mick Dundees old man known as “Roo Dundee”. He still holds the Australian middleweight record of 64 hours, 18 minutes & 14 seconds standing toe to toe with a full grown Red Kangaroo, that measured nine feet eleven inches fully erect.
A Roo’ is a natural boxer with no favour to either paw, they are both extremely accurate and powerful. If threatened, a Roo’ will punch to kill. An unfortunate banking executive was at the Sydney Royal Show in 1912, and being inebriated he got into the Roo’s pen and proceeded to pull it’s tail (not a wise thing to do to a Roo’), witnesses say it all happened in the blink of an eye as the Roo’ spun around and threw a left and a right, those standing behind the banker couldn’t believe what they were seeing……..both paws protruding through the back of his skull!!!
It is very rare to see a mob of Roo’s without any of them fighting, it is a sight to behold, to witness two full grown Roo’s in a stoush, boxing the s--- out of each other.
On record for the most connecting punches ever thrown in the ring in one minute, in a fight with Tasmanian Wild O’Brian, was a Tassie Grey Kangaroo that landed 375 punches with both paws!!!.
Getting back to the three diggers, they put in motion a breeding and training program. This was overseen by thousands of other diggers from all parts of the country, that were keen to see that Australia could be defended without any guns, this program still continues to this day.
It gives me the greatest pleasure to announce, that at the present time our ranks of Kangaroos number 12,328,000, and they are spread out across all parts of Australia. The moment any Globalist sets foot on our soil, with weapons or the intent to enslave, these Roo’s will tear them to pieces as they’ve been trained to obey command’s like attack dogs.
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Picture this in your minds eye:
Millions of the tough, dangerous, lethal, bouncy bastards.
Legs that can propel them 260 feet in one single bound.
These Roo’s are regularly kicking 240 – 280 pound, full grown Wombat’s, a touch over 600 feet in training.
They have more stamina than the American cyclist Lance Armstrong (and that’s saying something).
The toes of a Roo’ on average are 8 inches long and sharper than a cut throat, they tuck under the feet into crevices, it is when they are threatened that the toes flick out (then it’s all over red rover)
If Bruce Lee was a Globalist and at his peak and with his deadly feet on our soil, on command, a Roo’ would disembowl or beheaded him in the first 0 – 5 seconds.
Our Roo’s slice open 44 gallon drums in training like there tinfoil.
Even though they would only need to use their paws to wipe out the Globalists, we want to see the Globalists looking like they’ve gone through an industrial shredder (they deserve nothing less)
Remember our Roo’ in Africa……..”it wasn’t even trained”
Fellow “Freedom Fighters” rest assured that we Aussies are prepared, and eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Globalists.
Even though there are Globalists on our soil right at this very time, we thought it better to wait until there Brethren arrive (a bigger celebration you might say) ………….skitch em Roo’
June 30th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Karl Miller Jr
Hey Master, how y’a going, good to hear from y’a. I meant to ask you the last time i responded to one of your posts, do you know where i can get a hold of that John Wayne toilet paper???. It has the slogan “John Wayne toilet paper’s rough and tough and it don’t take s--- from Indians” that’s the latest slogan, there was an earlier one back in the late 60s in the States, that caused a lot of shame at the time, so they pulled the toilet rolls off the shelves. I can’t remember it exactly, but it mentioned Raping thousands of Indian children and woman and Genocide. Any way if you could let me know if you come across the latest one i would be “most” thankfull.
Your Submissive, Bruce.
XXXXXX OOOOOO
P.S – I look forward to licking you….”you know were” ggrrrrrr’
June 30th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Karl Miller Jr
From an earlier Post.
Iv’e personaly seen a full grown Red Kangaroo (standing 9′ 10″ tall) kick a 280 pound Wombat a touch over 610 feet, i was only fondling the poor furry f---er 5 minutes previous, i think the Roo took offence, i’m only glad it didn’t turn on me, don’t get me wrong i can handle the savage f---er’s (former Australian middleweight champion) it’s just that it was a stinkin hot Aussie outback day, and these f---in Roo’s have got more stamina than that Yank cyclist Lanky Armsalong. I really wasn’t in the mood to fight the bouncy c--- for 19 hours or more.
Lick, Lick, Wink, Wink, say no more…….gggrrrrrrrrrr’
June 30th, 2008 at 9:55 am
the problem with some people, more in the south perhaps than anywhere else, is vigilante justice. That one person with a gun, which they wouldve had anyway, exacts his own form of justice, but in error as his logic is flawed by an emotional state towards whatever would be happening in any situation.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Before the passage of the 1930 uniform federal firearm act ALL persons including felons could buy and own guns. Even after the passage of the 1930 act Non-violent felons could still buy and own guns.
It was the NRA concessions in 1968 that really changed our culture.
The NRA created through their concessions the Disqualifying Persons standards.
Yet there is NO evidence that people suffering from mental illness are any more likely to commit a crime than any other demographic group.
This once disqualified always disqualified is BS.
If we follow the intent of the Founding Fathers the only people that would be denied the Right to Keep and Bear Arms are those in Prison, in a Mental Hospital and Illegal Immigrants.
Simply look at the facts in say Chicago; before the passage of the Illinois FOID card and the 68 GCA there were 395 Homicides in 1965. That number skyrocketed in 1972 and again in 1994 to 972 homicides. The number of Homicides has never been less than they were before gun control was passed.
The hell of it is 1965 was a year of Race riots in the city. Even during the 1930’s the years that saw Gangsters and Beer Wars in Chicago the Homicide Rate was still lower than current levels.
Gun Control does not work it only removes the Checks and Balances in a society and actually makes crime worse.
Has long has people ignore human history Human nature and the control and manipulation factors of our society violence will continue. Criminals prefer unarmed victims and that’s the only thing gun control does create victims.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
#87
Those who have sworn to uphold and protect do more ‘vigilante justice’ as you phrase it than anyone anywhere else.
There are more reports of that kind than the few and far between ones of ordinary citizens no matter where they were from…even the south.
You sound like a Yankee…hey that war ended long ago.
We even have running water and flush toilets here in the south now.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act we could buy guns through the mail NO background checks and NO paper work (4473 forms). No National Instant check system (NICS)
People suffering from mental illness and non-violent felons could all buy guns, yet crime was low, why?
It’s because we had a checks balances in our society that kept the Bad guys in check. An armed society is a civil society criminals prefer unarmed victims. Gun control only creates victims.
Prior to the 1930 Uniform Federal firearms act All person could buy and own guns. The law only banned violent felons like murders from buying and owning firearms.
Even this bill wouldn’t have been needed if they simply would have kept the violent offenders in prison. If you can’t trust these people in on the streets then keep their ass locked-up.
We live in a nation where a restraining order during a divorce can cause the loss of gun ownership even when there is NO threat of violence.
Being charged with a felony is so easy just question a cop and you risk being charged with assault.
Our rights are from God how can a Government limit a right that preexists law.
The words “shall not be infringed” at the time of the writing of the constitution was written has a commanding prohibition.
“Shall” is a command
“Not” is a Prohibition
“Infringed” in the law means “treaspass” which is entry and “transgress” which means “encroachment”
Thus a commanding prohibition on the entry and encroachment on the right to keep and bear arms.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Here’s the reason they’re 2 clauses in the 2A
William Rawle defines the right of the people to keep and bear arms has a natural consequence or corollary of the need of an armed citizenry/militia.
The express need of an armed citizenry guarantee’s the right of the people to keep and bear arms as a duty and therefore absolute.
The Corollary or natural Consequence between the 2 clauses goes both ways, meaning the arms of the militia become the arms of the people and the arms of the people become the arms of the militia.
If you’re able-bodied not in prison or in a mental hospital it becomes your duty to be armed.
The 2A was written to reflect the earlier laws of the colonies and maintain the duty of the citizenry to be armed.
June 30th, 2008 at 8:33 pm
vigilante justice? here is the real scenario. if someone is breaking into your house to harm you you have two options: 1. call the cops, wait an hour for them to arrive, possibly apprehend the criminal, send him throuh the legal system and watch him get a slap on the wrist. or
2. pull out your weapon , protect your family, make your neighborhood a better place in the future.
I prefer vigilante justice myself.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:47 am
by vigilante justice I think retaliation, vengence…
not defending yourself-or your family.
defense to me is just that- it’s the ones who after something happens, gets really steamed after a while and goes and seeks out the one they believe is guilty and retaliates as judge jury and executioner.