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The Neocons Do Georgia
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Paul Craig Roberts
Infowars
August 15, 2008
The success of the Bush Regime’s propaganda, lies, and deception with gullible and inattentive Americans since 9/11 has made it difficult for intelligent, aware people to be optimistic about the future of the United States. For almost 8 years the US media has served as Ministry of Propaganda for a war criminal regime. Americans incapable of thinking for themselves, reading between the lines, or accessing foreign media on the Internet have been brainwashed.
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As the Nazi propagandist, Joseph Goebbels, said, it is easy to deceive a people. You just tell them they have been attacked and wave the flag.
It certainly worked with Americans.
The gullibility and unconcern of the American people has had many victims. There are 1.25 million dead Iraqis. There are 4 million displaced Iraqis. No one knows how many are maimed and orphaned.
Iraq is in ruins, its infrastructure destroyed by American bombs, missiles, and helicopter gunships.
We do not know the death toll in Afghanistan, but even the American puppet regime protests the repeated killings of women and children by US and NATO troops.
We don’t know what the death toll would be in Iran if Darth Cheney and the neocons succeed in their plot with Israel to bomb Iran, perhaps with nuclear weapons.
What we do know is that all this murder and destruction has no justification and is evil. It is the work of evil men who have no qualms about lying and deceiving in order to kill innocent people to achieve their undeclared agenda.
That such evil people have control over the United States government and media damns the American public for eternity.
America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime.
The success of the neocon propaganda has been so great that the opposition party has not lifted a finger to rein in the Bush Regime’s criminal actions. Even Obama, who promises “change” is too intimidated by the neocon’s success in brainwashing the American population to do what his supporters hoped he would do and lead us out of the shame in which the neoconned Bush Regime has imprisoned us.
This about sums up the pessimistic state in which I existed prior to the go-ahead given by the Bush Regime to its puppet in Georgia to ethnically cleanse South Ossetia of Russians in order to defuse the separatist movement. The American media, aka, the Ministry of Lies and Deceit, again accommodated the criminal Bush Regime and proclaimed “Russian invasion” to cover up the ethnic cleansing of Russians in South Ossetia by the Georgian military assault.
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Only this time, the rest of the world didn’t buy it. The many years of lies–9/11, Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, al Qaeda connections, yellowcake, anthrax attack, Iranian nukes, “the United States doesn’t torture,” the bombings of weddings, funerals, and children’s soccer games, Abu Ghraib, renditions, Guantanamo, various fabricated “terrorist plots,” the determined assault on civil liberties–have taken their toll on American credibility. No one outside America any longer believes the US media or the US government.
The rest of the world reported the facts–an assault on Russian civilians by American and Israeli trained and equipped Georgian troops.
The Bush Regime, overcome by hubris, expected Russia to accept this act of American hegemony. But the Russians did not, and the Georgian military was sent fleeing for its life.
The neoconned Republican response to the Russian failure to follow the script and to be intimidated by the “unipower” was so imbecilic that it shattered the brainwashing to which Americans had succumbed.
McCain declared: “In the 21st century nations don’t invade other nations.” Imagine the laughs Jon Stewart will get out of this on the Daily Show. In the early years of the 21st century the United States has already invaded two countries and has been beating the drums for attacking a third. President Bush, the chief invader of the 21st century, echoed McCain’s claim that nations don’t invade other nations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7556857.stm
This dissonant claim shocked even brainwashed Americans, as readers’ emails reveal. If in the 21st century countries don’t invade other countries, what is Bush doing in Iraq and Afghanistan, and what are the naval armadas and propaganda arrayed against Iran about?
Have two of the worst warmongers of modern times–Bush and McCain–called off the US/Israeli attack on Iran? If McCain is elected president, is he going to pull US troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan as “nations don’t invade other nations,” or is President Bush going to beat him to it?
We all know the answer.
The two stooges are astonished that the Americans have taught hegemony to Russians, who were previously operating, naively perhaps, on the basis of good will.
Suddenly the Western Europeans have realized that being allied with the United States is like holding a tiger by the tail. No European country wants to be hurled into war with Russia. Germany, France, and Italy must be thanking God they blocked Georgia’s membership in NATO.
The Ukraine, where a sick nationalism has taken hold funded by the neocon National Endowment for Democracy, will be the next conflict between American pretensions and Russia. Russia is being taught by the neocons that freeing the constituent parts of its empire has not resulted in their independence but in their absorption into the American Empire.
Unless enough Americans can overcome their brainwashed state and the rigged Diebold voting machines, turn out the imbecilic Republicans and hold the neoconservatives accountable for their crimes against humanity, a crazed neocon US government will provoke nuclear war with Russia.
The neoconservatives represent the greatest danger ever faced by the United States and the world. Humanity has no greater enemy.
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August 15th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiBGQ26Zpf0
August 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I almost wish they would just push the launch button and get it over with. Then when all my sheepish friends come crying to me, I can say, I hate to say I told ya so, BUT I DID.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Neocons are the crystalized essence of the genocidal conquest that created America.
Karma, bitches.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Someone said somewhere…
I Quote “We Own America”
I’ll never forget
August 15th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Sorry but the luciferic illuminati/International Bankers/Black Nobility/Bilderbergers are the ones who are ruling the world as they are the puppet masters of the whole earth!! And Jesus Christ will return to the Earth with His Army of Great Angels and defeat them and their BEAST CHIPPED FOLLOWERS AND RULERS; as He will stop the Armageddon War and call them all up to His Mighty Fathers Great White Throne Judgment!! WHERE THEY WILL BE JUDGED AND SENTENCED TO THE GREAT LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE FOREVER AND EVER!! AS JESUS IS INDEED; THE ONE AND ONLY SAVIOUR!!!
August 15th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Thanks Paul.
It is your writings and thoughts that keep me from checking into a near bye nut house. Every time you and some others speak I always say out loud “Well, at least I’m not crazy.”
Best wishes,
Rick
Do not believe in “the myth of the eternal champion”
“There’s no shame in being defeated. Just don’t give up; don’t surrender. Make them earn it, make them take it! If that happens, you have stood and are a member of an elite few; you are legend.”
August 15th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
“You can fool some of the people all of the time, and those are the ones you want to concentrate on”.GWBush
Whenever the US gets into war with a third country, no matter which one, it will be defeated. Ever one is saying we can’t do it, but they keep pushing for it because thats the plan. That will be the stepping off point for a one world government. The fall of Amerikah.
August 15th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Hmm. Russia in the north and the Muslims fighter in the south. sound like America is in the middle. Not a good position to be in a war. Plus who know what other nation is waking up?.
man its coming. the police is turn into the military. no jobs, Russia might cut off u.s. oil supply, hugo chaves is armed by russia. Alaska is next door.
Is it worth all this trouble and money?
the ELITES are only capable of controlling a certain number in the population. War will bring money/jobs/massive slavery to rebuild the ruins of the earth.
August 15th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Unless, or until, the citizens of America throw OFF the evil yoke of Ashkenazi
Zionism, we will not be free again. As it is now, you are OWNED, lock, stock,
and barrel by evil NeoCons who never serve in the US military, but like to start unnecessary wars of choice for YOUR kids to fight.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Check out the video (if you already haven’t) on LiveLeak or elsewhere of the journalist asking Condi a question with regards to 911 and the American input on Georgia, and the news cuts her feed before she can reply and the color bars are shown.
The funny part is when the newsworld (Canada) anchor gets put on the air and say’s, “We seem to have lost the line there”.
American free speech is a sham.
Land of the lost.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I hope AJ does the right thing and flee this country for safety, we owe you more then we can ever repay you, if we lose the fight, There is no shame in carring on the war from a different front. It is time for Xer’s to rise to the occasion, Marines, Army, National Guard UNITE AND ARREST THE SCUM BAG NEOCONS.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
The author forgot to mention “Alluminum Tubes” in the many years of lies litany.
Do I have to tell you WHAT THE FUCK you can do with alluminum tubes!!! -Chapelle
August 15th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Someone somewhere should establish a neocon criminals list and then post that enemies list for all to see. The list should be prioritized and all associations identified. Then those patriotic citizens in closest proximity to the criminals should be encouraged to act on behalf of a nation in need of citizens willing to do what needs to be done to confront the enemy in the eye and drag him or her to the nearest pole and hang them until they stop wiggling. The only justice these Neocon bastards deserve is “D E A T H” and confiscation of all assets. If we fail to do what could be described as tough love, then we as a nation are indeed done for and incapable of responding to the immediate threat before us and in turn the entire nation and world. World War only makes the rich richer and helps depopulate the planet for those in control of all the wealth and power of nations. I say it is time to do whatever needs to be done to help save our great nation from a group of murdering domestic enemies. Our failure to act will ensure the demise of life and liberty.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
Paul Craig Roberts kicks ass!
August 15th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
Ok gov educated tv brainwashed exers. Some of us remember Russia and the crimes they are guilty of, Gulags, starving Ukrainians, summary executions for no reason other than paranoia. etc.. They are not innocent and this invasion has been in the works for months. We are not innocent. Karl Marx was jewish, the bolsheviks were jewish. You hat jews but like communists. I don`t get it.
August 15th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
While you are bashing neocons beware of neocoms, study history. Bush is a globalist bent on tearing down americas institutions. Communists are bent on tearing down americas institutions. Before the 60s one could go to bed at night with the door unlocked. Since the marxist invasion of our campuses in the 50s and 60s, it`s gone to hell courtesy of the naive youth in our fat, spoiled, and free speaking little utopia. Political correctness and political hatred are the beginning of the conquest of america the only light in the darkness. Better wake up fools.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Too bad both Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert haven’t gotten the Georgia/Russia story right yet, someone list the emails that would get through to them???
Also, have a look at the video BeyondTreason(.com) and it’ll tell you that the 300+++ tons of depleted uranium have rendered Iraq, Afghanistan, and Serbia radioactive for another 10 billion years!!!! The half life of Uranium 238 is 4 billion years!
August 15th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
No, we must stop them starting nuclear war. We will stand together and see this through. I was on the sidelines for a long time. But since the Georgia thing, I can no longer remain silent. You are now joined by another.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
my blog on the georgia invasion of russia is having record-breaking days. i’m being linked by russian blogs.
i wrote a new hit piece on vaccinations. visit my web site by clicking on my name.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
dennis, what the hell are Israeli military advisors doing in Georgia? Why are our troops in there? Why are mercs in there? The “humaitarian aid drops” are a smoke screen. I don’t hate any ethnic group but why when all this ever happens, Israelis always seem to pop out like a jack-in-the-box? It’s always something.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
i guess we now know the october surprise….russia
August 15th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Dick Cheney will never suffer the effects of a nuclear war like the populations of us will. He’ll be down in some deep underground bunker with his pacemaker clicking away. Doctor on the ready to install another one. Doctor and his family tucked away, too. He’ll be safe from radiation, along with his weirdo family and others. We’ll be the ones digging through the rubble above ground with few choices on how to survive. So he’s at the end and doesn’t care what he does to us.
And I don’t call him “Darth.” He likes it when you do that. Call him a dick.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
All your worst fears will come to pass in time.
Seiner Van Rensburg, a devout South African Christian predicted the following before he died over a hundred years ago:
1. South Africa would be ruled by Blacks in time.
2. Around the second election following hand-over of power to Blacks, a famous statesman would die and lie in Church Square for seven days. (Try Nelson Mandella),
3. Following the death of the famous statesman, Blacks will attack Whites in Johannesburg at night, murdering many. The Whites in Pretoria will be forewarned and spared much of the same fate. Nevertheless a full race war will be the order of the day.
4. South African cars will remain parked for lack of gasoline. (Gee I wonder why Mr. Bush?)
5. Following this, there is WAR between Russia and America. Britain is almost completely DESTROYED. America is GREATLY weakened.
6. The most powerful nation that will emerge following the great nuclear exchange is Germany, but only for a time, thus we must assume that much of India and China is also incinerated in the great war.
Nelson Mandella is 90 folks. The second election is coming up in South Africa.
Van Rensburg had the ability to visualize the future and warn others. His track record has been spot on so far.
War anyone?
August 15th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
EXPOSED !!!!!! “The Unveiling of Jordan Maxwell” a film by Chris White. Hear it from Jordan’s own lips! Wake Up! http://lionandlambtv.com/index.php/videos/view/393
August 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pm
Anyone know what Roberts means by the “sick nationalism” taking place over in the Ukraine? What’s that all about?
August 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Dugdemona, I beg to differ….cause after me and mine destroy and kill everyone in power of this evil tyrannical government in sight I will personally hunt his bitch ass down and make him suck on the end of my AK if its the last thing I do.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Dudgemon did you see the israeli advisors or our military on the ground? If not how do you know it`s true? You read it from somewhere, is that true? Jewish bankers are a plague, jewish arrogance is astonishing but america is still the last vestige of freedom, turning against it as our leaders have will hasten it`s demise.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
We are ants, the elites are a magnifying glass, the sun is out. Stay away from the magnifying glass. Don`t fly, take buses or trains, or sail on ships. There were pamphlets 15 years ago called “are you aware” detailing all that we are now living through. Increased productivity, decreased incomes, mass extermination and the new world order. They were produced by a retired phoenix detective who headed the Arizona militia until the gov took him down as they disbanded the state militias across the country. Militias won the revolution and are our only defense against the tyrannical federal government. Clinton destroyed them.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Bush has one of the highest gpas of any president in our history. Don`t think he is just a puppet being led around by the nose. He comes from a political family. His grandfather was a senator, his father vp, pres, ambassador to China, head of the CIA. These people are worse than the Kennedys. “It`s a big idea ” says senior speaking of the NWO. I say what`s the big idea, we`ll fight you for it.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:36 pm
OK, Colorado. We have to keep our heads about all this. We’re going to pull through this damn thing by not losing our heads.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:42 pm
I know, I’m pissed off, too.
August 15th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand
August 15th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
I hate that we have to side with the commies on this one… but AJ is right, everything they’re saying is being backed up by interantional journalists…. while our version is laughable. Anyone who still doubts the government would lie about 9/11, bin Laden, 7/7, OKC, JFK, RFK, mercury, fluoride, HAARP, voting machines, UFOs, or whatever… should really be examining this story… it’s stilll smoking.
Check this out if you need to vent:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....ature=user
August 15th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
Colloq:
Yea, man! You are right! For me it still seems like it’s not the end yet!! Have you guys ever heard about nazi’s propaganda is taking place in such places and countries as Balts and Ukraine. I am not saying that it is really being showed off. However, there are people who are taking of the monuments of Russian soldiers. Moreover, there were graves under those monuments that were reburied. The young guys who were fighting and actually won the previous world war against Germany are being taking off from their places. I bet that there was nothing like that in news up here?! There we go! In Ukrain they have a school for elite kids (am not sure, but I’ve read from the news that the son of the Ukraine president was/is studing in there). So, it’s kinda regular school and the only weird thing about it is that the people who took a German side in ww2 are presented as heros in that school. Sorry, if am being mistaken, but there are couple of the streets in an Ukrainian city (I believe Lvov) that are called under the names of those liberty fighters (that’s how they call them – Fighters for Ukrainian freedom). Somehow, it reminds me Bible: “…and those who are dead and those who are alive will stend up at the Domesday under the face of God…” (I tried my best translating those words from Russian Orthodox Bible to English, however it’s still may not be that scary))))LOL And nobody cared I mean there were demonstrations in Tallin, but everybody said that it’s autocratic Putin’s regime deals and blamed us again. That was ok! All people ate it again. What is happening right now shows that Russians would probably take it easy with SO again. The president of Georgia is still in power and there is some kind of status-que that everyone leads everybody to start over again with. What can we see?! EU stays pretty quiete a lil blaming Russians still. Honestly, I don’t know. It doesn’t give me any optimistic mood either. Probably it’s time to go home and wait for the bastards will be coming to my mothers house (next step??). Then I can do things! But they are smarter in playing their “games”. They are not just gonna come there with guns. They gonna spread flu or bomb us with rockets from Poland that they are installing up there right now. Some shit like that! I am just worring about what is happening around! It’s hard to believe that everything is happening that way. But I mean look around!! Do you think that we really have to wait till October!?
August 15th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
She was as pretty as ever had been any American Girl, I thought I finally got my wish,
Yet between the creases of fashion in abandoned lust and passion, I came upon a fish.
Tuna I think it was, sandwiched with huge globs of mayonnaise mixed with it too,
She was called by some Oprama, she the new queen to rule the Red, White and Blue.
Her cousin was a comely wench Janie she was known to one and all in the West,
Slick and slimy like an eel she was, and quite often had she been hard pressed.
It caused her hair to all fall out, turn white, and reveal a skull that was so shiny,
Her mouth so large, and yet she’d charge a rate that covered only one once tiny.
The Devilish Duo, they quite the pair, vixens trixen across a global monkey stage,
Horny they always were like two dogs locked together in the same stinking cage.
The masses in their zombie trance, as with any “cult, members” just so often too,
Stand and pledge allegiance in the grand “Monkey See and So Monkey Do!”
The harem of handmaidens danced in fairy’s tales soldier or cop ape man attire,
Murderers, liars, thieves each one and known to be a habitual con man liar.
Anti-Christian each and every one, their pursuit satanic and so devilish too,
But what could one expect from monkeys but to play with their own Poo?
The stageshow of these sideshow freaks, the fat lady acting like the queen,
As one fat lady or another— it’s a fat pig-like retarded mad monkey scene.
Some call this cult a nation, claim pride in all their horrible crime and scam,
They kneel to polish the one long horn in front of the trousers of Uncle Sam.
The weasel girls, with their smiles of pearls, insane as any human ever was,
They late to school, the wayward fool, escorts them onto the little yellow bus.
The Ken-L-Ration Generation, it a puppy mill of posers, losers and manly wives,
The Duh Masses of their con tree just plucked fruit of their old shucks and jives.
Like with any zoo, where the monkeys run the show and control the cages too,
You my chimpy friend were born into one some whore painted Red, White and Blue.
You must love the old green weiney and the big banana too there Miss America gal,
A tag in your ear, a flag in your rear, now just moo, true, as who be you, but a cow!
August 15th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
The Russians have shown that you can stand up to the NWO.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
…….That such evil people have control over the United States government and media damns the American public for eternity.
America will never recover from the shame and dishonor heaped upon her by the neoconned Bush Regime……..
The americans are definitely not stupid. Most of them CAN read between the lines and have not really become the victims of the controlled media. Even many young americans use intelligently the internet and meanwhile know that the official media are working in the interest of only a handful but unimaginably rich glans corresponding the principal: We tell them, what we want them to know.
I think, the brainwashers underestimated the americans. I have all hope in the american people. They stopped vietnam and they will prevent a nuclear holocaust.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
It seems that the author of this article is calling for the election of a Democrat, probably Obama, maybe Hillary, but certainly a member of the current two party system. It’s like eating dinner two days after Thanksgiving: It just feels like more of the same old crap, no matter how delicious it smelled on Thanksgiving Day.
Well, I for one do not have ANY faith in the Democrats to fix our problems, Georgia’s problems, Iraq’s problems, etc. They are chicken-sh**s, completely lacking in backbone, common sense, or anything else for that matter. I am appalled that the Democratic Congress would rather sit by and let American civil liberties be destroyed than risk losing an election by getting into a fight w/ Shrub and Chenney. HEY, Democras, THE ELECTIONS AREN’T WHAT’S IMPORTANT!!! Defend our liberty and we’ll reward you with the elections, but win the favor of the People first.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:36 pm
Here’s a little straight talk from Pat Buchanan. I’m glad he’s not lying like the rest of the media. It would be great to hear him on Alex’s show discussing this.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/i.....geId=72405
August 15th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
LMAO…..this blog is supposed to be humerous right?
hahahahahah, wow. Just read the comments on this article, this is great. OMG, Bush and cheney and all the neo-cons are trying to take over the world!!! Russia, Iraq, Iran, Bin laden…THOSE ARE THE GOOD GUYS! Putin’s not evil. His regime didn’t brutally murder tens of thousands in chechneya. That was western propaganda as well. Serbia didn’t conduct genocide in kosovo. propaganda again! Darfu…ha, thats all lies too. The US and NATO…those are the real evil powers in this world.
hahahahaha
August 15th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
My God! I just started getting dizzy. FAAAAAK!! I like everybody!! I don’t care!! Americans, Russians (we are not communists no more by the way…), Poles, South Osetians or Georgians Let’s better do business together instead of sweping out the map… Is it really necessary thing to be accomplished??????????………………………. I feel nauseous…
August 15th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Georgia is very close to me and so is Russia. It deeply saddens me to see two Orthodox nations fight like this. I have many friends in both countries. I baught a house in Georgia and still plan to live there someday. My girlfriend is Georgian and lives in Georgia. George Bushes support of Saakashvili is responsible for this war. Furthurmore recognizing Kosovo’s independence is a dangerous precident that provoked this war. Any Orthodox out there, light three candles infront of your Holy Icons during prayer for Georgia and Russia. This is what the Catholicos-Patriarch of Georgia Elias II is asking Georgians to do. This war is clearly provoked to divide Christianity in it’s purest form by dividing Orthodox people. Down with the NWO!
August 15th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
Kill these neo-cons, and if you can’t get to them kill their families. Thats right locate and eliminate thier nieces and nephews. These neo-cons need to feel terror and fear. There crimes will not go unpunished, they will feel the harsh pain. Burn therr houses down, kill ther parents. Blow up thier offices. The time has come to launch an unmitigated attack on these people. Disembowel them, torture them, relish the sight of the life leaving their eyes. Haunt them, start harrasing. Threaten them daily. Let them know that they are alone in a sea of hate. This criminal must all die soon. So get out their and start killing. I want to see something in the paers soon. I want the death toll of these lizards to go up fast.
August 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
With all this ethnic cleansing going on, I’m thinking about getting into the soap business.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:42 pm
This is a MAD (mutual assured destruction) scenario. History repeats itself. This is so similar to
1961 and the Bay of Pigs, it’s scary. I was 16 years old at the time. We were training Cuban
exiles in U.S. military forts to overthrow Castro, and when it failed it gave the Russians the
excuse to put missiles in Cuba to defend their friend from further U.S. aggression (actually it was
to intimidate the U.S.) . That became known as the Cuban missile crisis. Fortunately, JFK used
reason and set up a naval blockade rather than resort to all-out war against the Russians and we
were able to get the Russians to take out their missiles and avoid a nuclear war. Even Kruschev
had enough sense to go along with the program.
See the similarity now. We’re training Georgian troops, supposedly to defend themselves against
some mysterious aggressor, but we’re really training them for our own purposes. Couple that
with our agreement to put missiles in Poland, which the Russians don’t want anymore than we
wanted missiles in Cuba, and your right back in the middle of another MAD scenario. Holy shit!
August 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
ethenic cleansing?I have heard the Russians report that (no one else, so I will hold my opinion until I see a citation) . Whatever the cause of the conflict Russia invaded South Osetia, which was mostly full of Russians. The problem is that they went further into land where the majority are Georgian towards the only gas pipeline connected to Europe. This is a Russian attempt to monopolize the Europian energy market, and its working. As a Europian I do not want Russia invading the land of a democratic member state. However you love connecting dots, so I doubt I will make you see that Russia is very close to crossing the line, and frankly America and its Europian allies are the only people preventing Russia from taking over Eastern Europe again. Maybe a nuclear war is inevitable, and if that is the case a single democratic world Govenment might be the only way to secure our safety, Enstein belived in a world Govenment and he was the biggest pacifist of them all (and no I’m not a member of the illumanati, I’m just a free thinking moderate). I feel your movement creates more harm then good, you lead the open minded down a road where everything in the world is veiled in conspiracy, however this is a substitute for the real problems we have to deal with. There is not a huge machine out there to take down, there are just dots, and none of them asks to be connected in such a haphazard way . I hope you don’t belive your own hype, b I no longer do. Diabold machines are shitty and if America kept all the names of who voted and who they voted for in a public libary there wouldn’t be that problem, why don’t you focus on getting the citizens in the Diabold states to get rid of them, instead of talking to people in the future who live in slave camps. Its hard enough changing the real let alone the imagined.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:04 am
P.S whatever you do ignore what I have written… Just because you see it on a page or a website doesn’t make it true.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:33 am
It was making me feel nauseous when i was sat at work yesterdy morning. Evert time the hourly bbc radio news poluted the minds of my co-workers with their deceptive, misleading version of events in South Ossetia over the last week or so, i felt the nauseous sensation rush over me. And it wasn’t so much the fact that they were speaking sh*te to the masses that was making me feel sickened, as it was the knowledge that i’d soon be getting the feeling that the people that i was attempting to set straight on this matter, were masking their faces with that just-keep-nodding-and-smiling-and-he’ll-leave-me-alone look i so often encounter when trying to expose the lies i hear disseminated around me each day.
To my amazement i didn’t find myself the subject of any of my co-workers discomforted stares, and i think Mr Roberts was almost explains why when he says “Only this time, the rest of the world didn’t buy it.” because whilst my co-workers did buy it, the veneer of the lie was so thin that it was stipped away by the first web page i showed them (a reuters report from late on the 7th detailing the assault ont the south ossetian capital).
If i find my audience listening a little longer before they retreat behind the veil of denial next time i try to point out the nwo’s lies to them, i reckon i’ll have the south ossetians to thank.
I doubt it will register as much in the way of compensation to those digging the bodies of their loved ones from the rubble left by the NWO backed Georgian assault, but they might like to know that the enemies of their loved ones murderers are going to find attacking the culprits of this crime a little easier than they used to.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:51 am
Well Obama is not about Change or Hope. He is not intimidated. Thats just who he is. Another New world order stooge but far worse than Bush and Cheney especially on the home front with his communist initiatives he will put in place.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Denise #15, is a dumb cunt that needs to pull her head out her ass.
Post your anti Russia drivel somewhere else.
Right now Russia looks mighty fine next to Satan’s USA.
Go Russia Go.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:18 am
J E are you being funny or you just an A-hole?
Change your sarcasm around and you will see just how bad the US and NATO are.
Grow a pair and accept the fact that you are wrong, and that your government actually doesn’t give a shit about you.
August 16th, 2008 at 2:24 am
The Neocons are suicidal nihilists. They will take us down with their sinking ship to try and take over the world and fail. Too bad these evil jerks have control of the US. It’s time for people to wake up and realize what a hoax this is. I think they are having trouble convincing people right now that Russians are the bad guys. It’s obvious who stirred up this trouble: Darth Cheney and and the evil neocons.
August 16th, 2008 at 4:49 am
How do you tell if America supported them? Are you stupid ? Georgia military is armed by you , trained by you , ands they wear the same uniform you do . Oh by the way they like to carry IDS with american flag on them.
August 16th, 2008 at 4:50 am
Brunt is basically saying “keep the oil flowing–I don’t care how many friggin’ people have to die.” Unfortunately, a lot of Americans feel the same way. Before our criminal government invaded Iraq, I spoke to a doctor (who happens to be Jewish). He said he didn’t care if we went to war as long as his air-conditioner kept running–this is because he knows only poor Americans will be fighting these wars–no doctor’s kids. Some people, like Brunt, and that doctor have no morals. They are also stupid. When nuclear war breaks out, oil will be far down on the list of concerns.
He talks about a “democratic” member state. That is so funny since the neocons and their “rose” revolultion (Brezhenski) was nothing but a ploy to install a puppet government. Listen, Brunt, this bunch of criminals are itching to use nuclear weapons because they are criminals and bloodthirsty. They have implemented torture, death and destruction around the globe. If you can’t see that, you are truly blind. At least the bear has stayed in it’s own neck of the woods all of this time, until this provocation. As our criminal government has invaded nation after nation in an oil grab and at the bidding of Israel, it is hardly in any position to spout democratic platitudes. Only a few immoral people are blinded by their own selfish purposes into blaming Russia for this one.
August 16th, 2008 at 5:24 am
TOP info – when it comes to Georgia the Bush administration has done it’s part – they sold them the weapons – trained their soldiers and brainwashed their minds as well and left them high and dry to Die
August 16th, 2008 at 6:11 am
The main point is: Russia played game with such precision and timing bringing NATO, Israel and US in Checkmate position. This is pure Greek antic story scenario. “Trojan Horse” has been offered in Kosovo. Russia didn’t vigorously defended Serbian integrity creating false feeling of weakness in international affears. False superiority embedded in Western minds, encouraged Georgian government to start risky attack on Russian peacemakers, and opened line for devastating Russian transition from defence to counterattack. This is pure chess game scenario where Russia delivered defenceless checkmate.
Camp Bondstell and Kosovo is not important for Russia. The main objective for Russian is to become mayor energy supplier and to establish full control of the world energy routes in the world, by any means. Taking control over Georgia oil pipes and keeping it is a mayor step, we all know why! Anybody that thinks that Russia will loose its grip over Georgia is naive.
The US, Israel and NATO foreign policy was wrong. Russians are not to blame. West allowed greediness to become major force in their foreign policy. This is secure way to loose now and in the future also. West should learn from China way in dealing with other countries.
I would like not to witness the similar scenario for Israel but it looks like that there is next trap settings in process, where Iran will play major role.
In my opinion any new US president should learn the game of chess.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:06 am
Dennis#16 Hello
“…political hatred are the beginning of the conquest of america the only light in the darkness”
Henry Adams said that “politics is the organization of hatreds”
Others will swear that: everything is political!
Here’s a poem:
The business of war is one that requires,
That they look to the masses for many new hires,
And train them to kill with a nod and a wink,
So they’ll never be able to sit and just think!
Cause they’ll be dodging the bullets and curses and lies,
And yes even those good old American Pies,
Hey we always thought that we were the aces,
And that the pies could be eaten, not thrown in the faces,
But those pies are stuffed full of tanks, bombs and rockets,
Bought with the money that should be in our pockets!
Now if makers of the wars seem painstakingly slow,
To send their children, why should anyone go?
Write up a petition! Get those lawmakers to care,
Tell them we’ll be sending their kids if they dare
To perpetuate these wars- we have no other choice
Bush’s children to Iraq? Now we have a voice!
Next comes a merger ‘betwixt guns and jails,
And maybe our murder for uncovering trails!
‘Cause violence now may seem the way to get peace,
And locking up those who’d cause bloodletting to cease!
“Just politics as usual!” You’ll say, no doubt,
“With these kinds of planners, we’ll never be out!”
But remember they’ll always need someone to blame,
You may be next, so watch just the same!
This brings up a lesson for all to see,
Watch out: for conformity breeds tyranny,
A mentality that pressures outsiders with jeers,
Insiders can’t tell you they walk blindly off piers!
Now: if you’re waiting around for those jeers to be cheers,
You’ve gotten the approval of the buddies and the peers!
So you hop on the bandwagon with a new set of orders,
Hoping the master will protect your daughters!
This Cyclops will grow and will turn the table,
On free speech and expression when he is able,
“By hook or by crook, they’ll be of one mind,”
Cyclops says, “Can’t you see they are blind!”
As war is sold, we’re part of the unions,
United false (prophets)-profits from all other humans,
Though they promised to use us mostly as traders,
Now we see we’ve become the invaders!
This media continues to perpetuate lies,
For government drug makers, NASA-close ties?
If we tell you that unifying bureaucratic might,
Is just one more tactic that they use for fright!
Now in this corner we see teachers trying to teach,
But the President tells us that he wants to preach,
And summon the Lord to clean up the messes,
But it seems God will wait until he confesses!
Concerning that classroom with kids trying to learn,
But the technos and experts say, “Give us a turn,
To fill them with words, SECURITY LACED
So the LOVE of this language will soon be erased!”
James Mansfield
From the bewilderness- thanks for coming!
setapart10102700@yahoo.com
August 16th, 2008 at 8:47 am
This is the Last False Flag Operation:
The hammer is cocked.
Russian Government took the Bait and defended their Citizens against Attack,
now they are blamed for this Invasion by Lies.
The Russian General expressed Nuclear Defense against any more Invasions.
They are now aiming their ICBM’s toward all NATO Countries.
This is a verbal Green light for Dead Eye Dick Cheney to go duck hunting and
Detonate Six Nuclear Bombs, (lost in Louisiana) inside the U.S. and blame Russia.
Prime Minster Putin must announce a specific Russian Defense Strategy in front of the entire World.
The enemy of Russia is the same enemy of the United States and Humanity.
The enemy of Russia is not the Civilian Population of the World.
Our enemy is an International Banking Cartel, Multi-National Corporations,
and rogue state governments Owned or Controlled by this Banking Cartel.
Russia must Declare:
No Banking Cartel Defense System will be permitted around Russian Borders.
No Civilian Cites will be destroyed by any Russian Nuclear Detonations.
All Russian first strike Detonations will explode on 26 NATO Capitol Cities,
by Hundreds of Atomic Warheads if necessary.
This way Dead Eye Dick Cheney can not detonate his six unaccountable Nuclear Devices within any major U.S. city other than Washington D.C. and blame the Russians.
If not, the media can announce that Russia has attacked the U.S. Nuclear Power Stations with ICBM’s, and the electric power grid may fail and not be restored for years.
Mean while our Nation is under Martial Law, the electric power grid has been destroyed, by Russian Nuclear War, as Reported on all Media News channels, but not TRUE.
In reality, all electrical power is just being Turned OFF by the Banking Cartel.
Now, six Cities are Gone including Washington D.C. and all electric power is Gone.
How many Millions of people will die without electricity in winter, for 6 months?
How long will you survive?
The Republic of the United States, Over and Out.
Russia gets the BLAME!
August 16th, 2008 at 9:36 am
They already used atomic tools of death and destruction….TWICE. It’s amazing you know, going through comments on youtube and realizing how many witless cretins justify those horrible crimes with any piece of propaganda conveniently delivered to them by the US federal government… The amount of imbeciles thinking a-bombs are “cool” is staggering. They seem to have played too many video games.
Remember this: Those who forget the past are condemned to relive it…
August 16th, 2008 at 11:02 am
If I were any country not just Russia I wouldn’t want to see any of its neighbors possessing US nuclear weapons and missile silo’s that could wipe out their country at a moments notice .
I don’t blame Russia for not wanting Poland to allow the US to put US missles in their country ! Tell me how many neighboring countries to the US have missile ranges that could reach our country ? None ,and you won’t see any in the future because the US will make sure these countries don’t have the resources and remain third world countries or in the case of Mexico financially incapable of getting those resources!
The US owned by these corporate leaders has gone rouge on its own citizens .They want world power and any expense is worth their effort to acheive this ,corruption,propaganda and even the deaths of all those people on 9/11 ,the Iraq war ,the Afganistan war ,war with Iran, stripping the American people of their rights ,causing an economy crises to keep the American people off gaurd ,torture ,by any means they can think up to accomplish world power they will do it !
I know many people have become aware but unfortunately there are still those people who think its unpatriotic to say anything against this administration .To me I think its unpatriotic to watch your country being taken over by these people and not show your outrage by exposing these people and try to do something to change things for the good of your country .
August 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
NEOCONS stol gold medal from Sebian olympic swimer . Look and in the sport are nazi
http://olympics.blogs.nytimes......-about-it/ .
August 16th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
http://olympics.blogs.nytimes....../#more-460
August 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
HEY! This is NO JOKE.
http://www.kxnet.com/t/grand-forks-nd/262939.asp
Air National Guard from North Dakota were in Kyrgyzstan.
August 16th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
http://www.compuserb.com/ Look America this vill hapen to you . You must stop NAZI.God halp to american peaple
August 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
The fact is that although A J says there is no left or right , there is just The NWO, the vast majority of posts here are focusing on ‘those evil neo-cons’. If there is a worldwide conspiracy to destroy the world how do we know Russia isn’t a part of this. Vladimir Putin proved this when he circumvented Russias constitution to stay in power. Yes there are forces in the world that spy and cheat, but to have the vanity to know these conspiracies is deluded and dangerous. As Napoleon Bonaparte said “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.” I was suckered into the 9/11 conspiracy until I asked a lot of people in the construction industry to explain in minute detail how the towers fell, short change and other docs suddenly went from being FACT that I had researched to being full of gaping holes (I suggest people look at how steal with all that pressure can soften at low temps especially if a fuck off huge plane has destroyed the plaster insulating it). My view about Russias actions being bad is not about my greedy desire to keep the oil running (the west have already won that war, as Canada will be the last country in the world with oil- and I don’t drive) My problem is that Russia ( like the U.S.A) is a a young democracy that has not yet developed a good set of human rights, In Europe there is no death penalty, there is a right to free travel, we are signed up to the international court of human rights. When I have been to eastern Europe there was an optimism about joining such a egalitarian political system, Russia through there bully tactics are putting all that at risk. Do not trust a word I write, I might not be telling the truth.
August 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Some people here seem to think the U.S wants to put nukes in Poland. This is wrong they want to build a system to shoot down nukes, this in my opinion is a good thing because every nuke unable to hit its target is millions of lives saved. I hate to agree with Condi Rice, but I agree we are no longer in a cold war, because if we were the west would build a nuke tripwire to protect the west. As it stands the only person in this conflict to make any doomsday threats was the deputy Russian chief of staff, who said poland was 100% target and that includes a nuclear strike. We can not afford to make guesses when it comes to this kind of politics, as it could lead to mistakes happening, thankfully Nuclear Winter would suck just as much for world leaders as it would for the rest of us, which I hope will save the human race for long enough, to disarm and work together as a world. Nationalism used to be a lie, now it is a deadly lie.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
I am puzzled … entry #72 (meet the silowiki)
says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
even after 3 hours …. did I do something wrong, or does the moderation part always take so long ?
August 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
http://www.onemorepromethean.com
^^^ Coverage of the Bush administration’s role in the Georgia conflict, US wargames in Georgia before the fighting broke out, Saakashvili’s support from the US and George Soros, Russian abiotic oil theory and more….
August 16th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Those who say AJ predicted 9/11 I will say two things,
a) The WTC had been attacked previously and was obviously a major target
b)The Taliban had already been responsible for numerous terrorist attacks (including blowing up the worlds largest statue of buddha.
Again as Napoleon Bonaparte said “Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.”
August 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
–Putin’s infamous Munich Speech and why he’s AGAINST the New World Order; Feb 10th 2007–
“What is a unipolar world? However one might embellish this term, at the end of the day it refers to one type of situation, namely one centre of authority, one centre of force, one centre of decision-making.
It is world in which there is one master, one sovereign. And at the end of the day this is pernicious not only for all those within this system, but also for the sovereign itself because it destroys itself from within. And this certainly has nothing in common with democracy. Because, as you know, democracy is the power of the majority in light of the interests and opinions of the minority.
Incidentally, Russia – we – are constantly being taught about democracy. But for some reason those who teach us do not want to learn themselves.
I consider that the unipolar model is not only unacceptable but also impossible in today’s world. And this is not only because if there was individual leadership in today’s – and precisely in today’s – world, then the military, political and economic resources would not suffice. What is even more important is that the model itself is flawed because at its basis there is and can be no moral foundations for modern civilisation.”
http://www.securityconference......amp;id=179
August 16th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Poor little Russia and KGB Putin got as big as they are by playing chess , right? Oh, you mean they conquered people for two hundred years and took thier land? They`re so wonderful and beautiful that couldn`t possibly be the case.
August 16th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Napolean? Brunt lol.
We are WAY passed things like “was 9/11 flase flag?”
Research more. To still be zzz’ing now is……
August 16th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
ps remember the one that went down in a grassy area that was just incinerated entirely?here is another of a plane ‘crash’ in NY
even with mr Rudy on scene.
Lots of bodies, lots of whole plane peices ect.
http://www.emergency.com/2001/aa587_crash.htm
August 16th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
Roll over–you’re snoring
August 16th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
I am far from sleeping. I found it quite comforting to have a reason for the world being so shit. I no longer have a mad conspiracy to hang my hat on. At least I’m not one of those bigots who love to blame jewish people for all the problems in the world (like some of the posts here), next they will blame the gays the blacks oh and how about white people. I am realist, I understand the world is run by money markets, but without that we are communists which is just as bad, if not worse. My point about 9/11 is the same as my point about Russia wanting to take over eastern europe, or my point about AJ thinking we are going to be slaves zapped by flying saucers. The point being that this website and its view of the world is just as untrustworthy as Fox, the neo-cons, the bbc, or anybody else who tells you how to think. With alex jones people have gone from one dream to another. I have no political affiliations or ties to any ideology I just see the world for what it is.. confusing and unpredictable. “Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time.” Churchill.
August 16th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
Wake up members of the cult of AJ you are snoring :p Your leader is lying to you, he wants you to buy his DVD, he likes to start off in a whisper and gets louder and louder about poorly researched circumstantial evidence and doesn’t listen to real experts. Wake up, you are being fooled by a man who is angry about the world conspiring to kill you, even though there is no evidence for that, and technology in agriculture has allowed the population to grow well beyond what was possible only 30 years ago . Wake up or you might have money band and have to trade goats for food like in 1920’s russia. Don’t listen to a word I say I might not be telling the truth!
August 16th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
how these events are portrayed to you, are not the sign of our times, but a sign of the internet and how misleading it can be. to quote the X-Files (I guess there are some fans here) Trust no one
August 16th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
Democracy is mob rule, we are a constitutional republic like early Rome with the exception of the peoples congress which makes us unique. All we need is term limits in every elected office and they take the beauracratic trash they install with them as they leave. The constant rotation will keep them somewhat honest and end elected perpetual fundraisers. It`s a simple fix, demand it of our senate, with massive protests if need be. It is worth it to save the republic.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
Did anyone see bush on T.V. Thurs.night?What a hypocrite! Condemming Russia for the same thing that he and his buddies have been doing for the last 7 1/2 years.Unfortunately there are still plenty of Americans that still believe him. My parents live in Lake Havasu City Arizona.(The land of the “newly-wed” and the “nearly dead”or the B.R.I. the Bastian of Republican Idiots.) If you say ANYTHING uncomplimentary about ANY REPUBLICAN, YOU WILL BE RUN OUT OF TOWN ON A RAIL
if not arrested or shot! I dare anybody down in Mc Cain land to tell me differently.My own Mom belongs to the Republican Womans Org. I try to tell her that this can be very dangerous to our country,because it removes “thought process”from voteing when you ALWAYS vote your party,without first studying the issues.You might as well just be a football team junkie.RAH-RAH
TEAM RIGHT OR WRONG! The same goes for ANY PARTY ORG. THINK FOR YOURSELVES!
August 16th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
“AJ thinking we are going to be slaves zapped by flying saucers” What?
Goats for food ect? I, like many, have never given Alex Jones one single dollar.
We dont hate Jews, we hate Isreal, and zionism. Nevermind there are many other elements.
Do you think we all just take anything the man says as gospel? Hell no.
A whole lot of us research. A whole lot of us read public documents.
This can and will go on with or without Alex Jones.
Real experts? Such as? Popular mechanics? lol.
As far as evidence about them killing us, if it were any more overt it would be on highway signs.
Alex Jones provides arrows pointing to information.
Debunkers in response boards provide nothing but quotes, rethoric, and the apathetic comfort of ‘knowing’ it just cant be true.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
I agree it is awful to have bush as the one talking to the Russians about not invading someone Georgia. But it has to be done. Russia has signed an agreement to advance no further, but have ignored this, the Russians are testing america while taking Eastern Europe inch by inch… Americas trip wire doesn’t seem to be connected, and Europe is in trouble, which in the long term could mean the same for the U.S.
I hate it but bush has to be strong for the West, or WW2 and the cold war would be in vein. I am in the most euro-sceptic region of europe (the UK) but the idea of the Europe I have often traveled through becoming a puppet state, of a KGB man who suppresses media and minorities is abhorant.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:40 pm
God I’m talking too much today. dennis I like your point about America not being a ‘mob-rule’ democracy, from a UK perspective the American system of fixed terms, allows no one to stay in control. to para-phrase Gore Vidal said, America was created by 2 kinds of people, those who were scared of dictatorship, and those who are scared of democracy. In the UK we have a constitutional monarchy, I would be a republican (in the british sense of the word) If it wasn’t for the fact that the armed forces swears alligence to the queen but the army pays them, and as the queen only has the power to sign in law (refusal to do so could lead to a forced abdication) no one is in complete control. The problem with the U.S system is after 9/11 the patriot act was signed, allowing anyone to be made a terrorist, and giving the Bush administration powers unfit for them. However America will return to freedom, because those in power know there history, if Americans are pushed too far they will revolt just like they did against the British. The U.K became a free country after cutting Charles 1st head off. Politicians know they can only stay in power if there people let them, just look at Mussolini.
August 16th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
The army doesn’t pay the armed forces the govenment does….my typo
August 16th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
Unfortunately Brunt we have entrenched senators with lifetime tenure, and state department appointees with tenure constantly turning the screws on the public, however it`s in our hands. Come on fellow countryman let`s take it back like T. Jefferson suggested. A lot of scared people are counting on us.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I don`t like the Iraq or any war. But remember how we spent 2 years exhausting every diplomatic avenue before invading? Did Russia spend 2 minutes, no. This is thier style, always has been. Gulags, summary execution, Siberian exile, Ukranian starvation… this is thier style, viscious, swift and smart.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Canadianperson my quote about flying saucers were a quote from alex jones talking about crowd control methods the government are supposedly creating. My quote about goats for food in 1920’s Russia refers to the fact that after the resolution the communists tried to ban money (that didn’t work) Research on the web is limited, for example a republican source saying a pearl harbor attack would be useful, is not the same thing as a government ploy to fake such an attack (and frankly it would be much easier to ignore the terrorist plots so you wouldn’t have to get your hands dirty). As I have said I have talked to Architects, Engineers, and scientists about every detail possible to do with 9/11 such as the reasons for the explosions in the basement (and every one has been answered logically) The reason why there are so many people claiming it happened, is that conspiracies have always been big business, just ask people who have sell out tours saying that world leaders are really reptiles. For me AJ is one of 3 things: (i) Deluded, (ii) Out for Money (iii) Working for those Neo-Cons as a spy. And I agree “Debunkers in response boards provide nothing but quotes, rhetoric, and the apathetic comfort of ‘knowing” But that goes for you as well. Dont believe a word I say I might not be telling the truth.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
that be revolution (I should learn to type)
August 16th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
BTW those of you who are scared of a one world govenment…. We already have one its called the UN and it has been keeping us from oblivion for the past 50 years despite being very undemocratic (I’m thinking of you security council). I want a UN Parliment (as proposed by Boutros Boutros-Ghali) voted for by the people of the world as a second house.. Nukes and War are never going away, and Isolation is no longer possible in todays connected world. Call it what you will, hope for the future or the evil N.W.O, a truly democratic world forum is the only way the world can manage true self determinism.
August 16th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
Wow Meredith thats a lot of anti-Jewish quotes for the 20’s . I’m an Athiest so I see all religions as equally stupid to quote R Jeni “You’re basically killing each other to see who’s got the better imaginary friend.” I know many Jews who wouldn’t mind ruling the world as well as Christians and Muslims. But seriously you can’t say that because someone is born into a particular ‘tribe’ that they are any different from any other ‘tribe’. And people that say they hate Israel imply that they hate all the people who live in Israel including those born there. I could say I hate America and again that would imply I hate Americans, but no I don’t hate Americans I just hate some of there government policies. Lots of countries have bad financial histories (the U.K, Spain and the U.S and the slave trade, or the Swiss with there Nazi Gold). So people lets not player hate.
August 16th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
the TOURIST #79
Alexander Solzhenitsyn at Harvard 1978
Not a Model
But should someone ask me whether I would indicate the West such as it is today as a model to my country, frankly I would have to answer negatively. No, I could not recommend your society in its present state as an ideal for the transformation of ours. Through intense suffering our country has now achieved a spiritual development of such intensity that the Western system in its present state of spiritual exhaustion does not look attractive. Even those characteristics of your life which I have just mentioned are extremely saddening.
A fact which cannot be disputed is the weakening of human beings in the West while in the East they are becoming firmer and stronger. Six decades for our people and three decades for the people of Eastern Europe; during that time we have been through a spiritual training far in advance of Western experience. Life’s complexity and mortal weight have produced stronger, deeper and more interesting characters than those produced by standardized Western well-being. Therefore if our society were to be transformed into yours, it would mean an improvement in certain aspects, but also a change for the worse on some particularly significant scores. It is true, no doubt, that a society cannot remain in an abyss of lawlessness, as is the case in our country. But it is also demeaning for it to elect such mechanical legalistic smoothness as you have. After the suffering of decades of violence and oppression, the human soul longs for things higher, warmer and purer than those offered by today’s mass living habits, introduced by the revolting invasion of publicity, by TV stupor and by intolerable music.
All this is visible to observers from all the worlds of our planet. The Western way of life is less and less likely to become the leading model.
There are meaningful warnings that history gives a threatened or perishing society. Such are, for instance, the decadence of art, or a lack of great statesmen. There are open and evident warnings, too. The center of your democracy and of your culture is left without electric power for a few hours only, and all of a sudden crowds of American citizens start looting and creating havoc. The smooth surface film must be very thin, then, the social system quite unstable and unhealthy.
But the fight for our planet, physical and spiritual, a fight of cosmic proportions, is not a vague matter of the future; it has already started. The forces of Evil have begun their decisive offensive, you can feel their pressure, and yet your screens and publications are full of prescribed smiles and raised glasses. What is the joy about?
August 16th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
LINDA R #69
Then you thought you’d be able to escape this woe,
By conforming and cajoling and brown-nosing- Oh no!
It’s now one errant move and they’ll take you to court,
The jury of your fears takes away your fort!
Illusions and delusions-part of the pact?
To give all the minions the cravings to act!
Seems that one day the right to be yourself will no longer be ours,
But in the meantime we’re hoping and bound to be stars!
Now we are searching for a slogan to use as a cry,
And since ‘American Pastry’ just will not fly,
The perfect solution is to use slavery (full-employment) or terror
But that’s one in the same, please forgive this error!
And please listen carefully lest you think this a joke,
You’ve been enslaved for years and will soon be broke,
Cause the pensions to be paid will come from the pocket,
Of tomorrows’ grandchildren, who to US will sock it!
Sometimes we wonder, who is running the show,
The actors and actresses are US you should know,
Is it all one big Act? Or could the people be sheep?
We need no direction, are the leaders asleep?
If you’re wondering just how things got this way,
The road is long and winding with potholes, okay?
Those tanks now in Georgia have brought US to the brink
Of a nuclear war try to stop it we say please think!
From the bewilderness- thanks for coming
James Mansfield
setapart10102700@yahoo.com
August 16th, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Congressman Dennis Kucinich needs 1,000,000 signatures by Sept. 10 to present before Congress
and the Judiciary committee to force their hand at impeachment hearings for Bush and Cheney, and to make law that any future administrations must keep their mitts off the Constitution of the United
States and our Bill of Rights.
Go to http://kucinich.us/ and sign on. Tel your friends, post it all over town. With all of us truthers,
it shouldn’t be that big of a task. GO FOR IT!
August 16th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Post 101 jamesm:
I think you misunderstood post 69 Linda R.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
Hi linda I was just commenting on the fact that although linda R seems to think that it is really someone else doing the dirty work, in reality we are the ones who are running (ruining) the show
thanks
August 16th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
Only problem with the UN and a UN parliament is that some countrys are still unevolved and have no idea how to exist in this world. Should they have rule over other peoples who are way ahead? First the entire world needs to be first world status which won`t happen. Had the third world learned to control populations we wouldn`t be so agitated with each other and over crowded. Instead they pour into first world countries and reak havoc demanding we regress to meet thier needs, it`s insanity. These wars and genocidal policies are inevitable. Civil wars in our countries are next as the ignorant and needy demand more and more
August 16th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
Wow dennis thats a scary view, I guess we both hope you are wrong. I hope that the trends over the last 50 years of countries like india and china improving there human rights continue. You are right in your suggestion that a democratic UN parliament would be dangerous as backwards nations might drag us down with them. Again this might have something to do with our different world perspectives. I would see the UN as a second house appointed by the heads of member states, responsible for voting on weather a UN parliament law is passed (a bit like the UK house of lords). That way the elected representatives of the world UN parliament come up with the ideas, and the current UN does what it has always done, which is preventing the world slipping into true anarchy (by passing the laws or sending them back to the 1st house). In this World a hopefully more enlightened China would have the largest minority of the UN parliament, but the west would still have a way of saving its neck through the UN proper if we ever needed to. Also The allies of the West add up to Billions of like minded individuals who would play quite an active role in the parliament. The 3rd world would see that our knowledge and technology can help them, otherwise they would ignore this system all together and be isolated in this communication age. The needs of man are common, and they would be so many advantages to this model of Government, we would divide resourses effectively, deal with over population and world poverty, make WMD’s a thing of the past, and make the worlds economy stable and fair. I’m not saying open the borders, I’m saying lets create a world where over time we no longer have to worry about the borders.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Also an elected UN would give many people in the world something they have been missing, A VOTE Chinese people would find themselves in a democracy instantly, just by signing up.
August 16th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
All america needs to do is keep its nose clean for the next 35 years, and then china will be the big nation telling other countries not to cross the line…then the U.K and the U.S will have another thing in common (we lost our influence in the world, its not a bad thing really, it makes you less of a target, and anyway in 50-100 years the same thing will happen to china).
August 16th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
Brunt if the Un were at all efective Robert Mugabe would not have been allowed to destroy Africas food basket creating a continental food shortage. They just look the other way. South Africa used to have food surpluses until white farmers were murdered, raped and robbed out of the country. Now they are starving.
UN like the League of Nations is ineffective and toothless and not going to exist much longer. One of the chief archetects of the UN was Alger Hiss who was busted as a Russian spy. He was a member of Roosevelts state department. The security council consisted of five countries , four of them had one vote, the soviet union had three. Need i say more?
August 17th, 2008 at 4:34 am
People getting carried away with talk of reptiles ect doesnt sway me from my knowledge of physics. I can go directly to basics that nearly every teacher…..scientist or otherwise will agree upon as long as they dont know what event you are refering to.
Even aside from my personal attention at the discovery of thermite at the scene of the event, there are even more overt factors that simply cannot be denied without other influence.
The temperature in which jet fuel burns hottest at. The volume of one Jet’s fuel capacity.
The temperature required to incinerate (and lacerate at 70 degree angles, cut at 7 foot intervals, available in countless public photographs)
Steel beams of massive proportion simultaneously, in a building that was designed publicly and openly by it’s builders as being impregnable to a commercial jet attack, in those exact terms.
Not only had this happend before by a jet just slightly smaller than the ones ‘used’ on 9/11, but the idea of the tower falling would have been no less than comical.
You were fooled Brunt, just like I originally was……no matter what Alex Jones has to say.
August 17th, 2008 at 4:44 am
Add to note:
Not heat up, not bend not sway or tilt, no, crush sold steel within its own footprint.
Grab some big peice of metal, and a good torch with a high end temp/grade
Then picture you could somehow make it ten times as hot so it was actually losing structural integrity. Then picture a woman being able to stand there in what you’re doing and wave at you.
Oh and the temp required to smash (wich cant even happen without being engineered) that much concrete is also insane.
August 17th, 2008 at 8:39 am
dissent unwanted ?
I have written a post about the siloviki and the ziviliki in russia and how I believe things have played out on the russian side of the fence ….
my opinion is, that while alex is running in one direction here (and by extension Paul Craig Roberts too) and misses some important facts about the subject. FACTS my friends … not an opinion.
However, After I found out my post has been deleted, I’m beginning to question the motive. I have no website I have no weird agenda and I am not a government minion either, but I have had the opportunity to get a veeery close look at russia and it’s military structures in 1990 … I have followed the breakup of the USSR.
Since I guess, my post will be deleted again (if I repost it) please please my friends …. research it yourself…..
Google ’siloviki’
Siloviki are the russian equivalent of the NeoCons and loyal to Putin. Remember the Polonium Poisioning in London …… or Anna Politkovskaya … these are siloviki handwritings…. guess what the same thing happend days before the fighting broke out in georgia to one of the Ziviliki.
rgds
albi
PS: Alex, Kurt, STeve, Paul …. I am very disappointed. I didn’t think that you have to erase Messages that are:
1.) not spam …. it hasn’t been posted anywhere else in the world
2.) contains links to outside web resource to allow users to SEE what I am saying
3.) have a slightly different opinion than you
August 17th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Weird ….
Something weird is going on … and it don’t know what to believe anymore …. It might actually be a technical issue in that case
Alex and his team … If you haven deleted the post I’m sorry for believing taht you would censor dissent…
However, I have two open windows …. Both with the same article ((necons do georgia) – where I believe it was two fractions of the neocons …) one shows the post …. and the other one doesn’t… is there some caching mechanism on the CDN ???
August 17th, 2008 at 11:00 am
If only the Americans had any idea what real freedom was they might have stopped their regime from using genocide on the Indian Nation, dpopping nuclear bombs on Japan ( AND interning Japanise Americans during that war, conficating (illegally) all their property and leaving them penniless) , Korea, Vietnam–the list is too long to go on. Always, America has looked OUTSIDE themselves, always the outsider was the villian, when in reality the ememy was within, their precious government and a Constituion that was never any good if you were Native Indian Americans or African American or non-white and poor. It has always been bent and contorted by MONEY and POWER. Now, it doesn’t get the remotest look-in. All because America was too busy making war on innocent people for gain and power. This has never been any good for the ordenary citizen, so why did you let it happen?
August 17th, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Hi, I’m writing from Portugal.
I read carefully the article above, and on behalf of Russian quest, they really respond just to save the ossetian people, not only with guns, but also with water and food supply. Before this aggression the ossetian were without light and water supply for weeks… I know this due to my wife relatives news on Russia. After they were marked by the neocons to be eliminated, using the georgian president as the executioner!
About the operation, I compare to “the bad child on school bugging his mite on front of him and on the back of the teacher, lead to the response of the second to the first from whom came the first strike… but to the teacher the agressor will appear to came from the second boy which took the blame! Old as basic, Russia felt on this scheme as stroke back after the Olympic Open Ceremony, who was used as distracting event on media (on us). What such a people! We learned to know that Olympic games are as ever were periods of peace, from Greece!
So the Globalization sometimes works against this monster fellows, we not need the press to hear from other people nowadays. I as many people, have connections on Russia, in America, in Brazil and a connection in Egypt. So I conclude that the common people are good, as Human beings, they are not the buggy man the politicians paint… the terrorism is always from state operationals who have connections, training and technology, not from common people (who due to this loose their liberties, based on common peoples afraid), and the headmasters are western, those fellows who do not deserve the Human title.
I must leave here this mensage: we were for years turned against each other, looking always suspicious the foreigners (Europeans against Americans, Arabians and now Asians), but we must put aside our prejudices and looking to whom we need to point out as Enemies of the Humanity!