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The Pentagon’s alarming project: Avian Flu Biowar Vaccine
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F. William Engdahl
Global Research
August 15, 2008
There is alarming evidence accumulated by serious scientific sources that the US Government is about to or already has ‘weaponized’ Avian Flu. If the reports are accurate, this could unleash a new pandemic on the planet that could be more devastating than the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic which killed an estimated 30 million people worldwide before it eventually died out. Pentagon and NIH experiments with remains in frozen state of the 1918 virus are the height of scientific folly. Is the United States about to unleash a new racially selective pandemic through the process of mandatory vaccination with an alleged vaccine "against" Avian Flu?
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| "Given the shockingly obvious lack of any threat from an un-weaponized H5N1 virus, how can we explain the Bush Administration spending billions of dollars preparing each of the 50 States, for what it calls the ‘inevitable Bird Flu pandemic,’ which they say could kill half or more of all Americans and similar numbers of people around the globe? | |
There is reason to believe that sections of the international pharmaceutical industry cartel are acting in concert with the US Government to develop a genetically modified H5N1 virus substance that could unleash a man-made pandemic, perhaps more deadly than the 1918 ‘Spanish Influenza’ pandemic claiming up to 30 million lives.1
Rima E. Laibow, MD, head of the Natural Solutions Foundation, a citizen watchdog group monitoring the pharmaceutical industry states, "Our best intelligence estimate is that pandemic Avian Flu has already been created through genetic engineering in the United States, fusing the deadly genome of the 1918 Pandemic, misnamed the ‘Spanish Flu’, with the DNA of the innocuous H5N1 virus in a growth medium of human kidney cells, according to the National Institutes of Health and the vaccine’s manufacturer. Some virologists believe that this would insure that the man-made mutant virus recognizes human cells and knows how to invade them." 2
If true, as Laibow points out, "A basic virological fact that the public has not been told is that it is impossible to make a vaccine against a virus that does not yet exist. Public relations efforts to the contrary, IF a vaccine is being made against the Avian Flu virus in its pandemic form, that means that the pandemic virus must already exist, period, end of discussion."3
The genome of the 1918 pandemic, the so-called "Spanish Flu", was recently intentionally resurrected by the United States government from a frozen corpse that died of the flu in 1918 in Alaska. Because of that resurrection, both the Avian Flu, and its "vaccine" are now a significant threat to public health.
The Spanish Flu, which was not Spanish at all, was created in the US through an early bioweapons program and injected into healthy young men (i.e., ’soldiers’) as the first mandatory vaccination in the military during World War I. The "Spanish Flu", which originated in Kansas on US Military bases, was one of the deadliest pandemics in modern history. It was also one of the most successful biological weapons ever created, until now.Aspartame and Tyson Foods doubts
To date, there have only been around 385 human cases of Avian Flu identified worldwide (assuming those identifications are trustworthy, of course), with 243 deaths. To put the absurdity of this effort into perspective, Laibow points out, Sudden Cardiac Death (SCD), which researchers believe is heavily associated with aspartame consumption, is a leading cause of death which, according to the CDC, for example, killed 460,000 Americans in 1999 and the numbers keep rising (www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5106a3.htm.)
But, aspartame is not under criticism. Interesting as a footnote on Aspartame, G.D. Searle, the Chicago drugs company that held the patent on Aspartame was in danger of losing its license from the US Government Food & Drug Administration in the 1980’s until Donald Rumsfeld, out of Government, was named President of Searle. Rumsfeld used his contacts in Washington to get the FDA to approve Aspartame despite known tests showing serious health effects on rats.
As I document in detail in my book, Seeds of Destruction: The Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation, the same Don Rumsfeld went on to become chairman and principal stockholder of a California pharmaceutical company, Gilead Sciences Inc., which developed and patented Tamiflu in 1996, first as a drug for AIDS, later as a vaccine for H5N1 Avian Flu. In 1997 Donald H. Rumsfeld was named Chairman of the Board of Gilead Sciences, where he remained until early 2001 when he became Defense Secretary. As Secretary he refused to sell his stock at the time he came under conflict of interest allegations when he ordered $1 billion worth of Tamiflu be bought to injected into the US military personnel as a "precaution." It was later proven that Tamiflu was in no antidote for H5N1 and its side effects were sometimes very severe.
Laibow adds, "Given the shockingly obvious lack of any threat from an un-weaponized H5N1 virus, how can we explain the Bush Administration spending billions of dollars preparing each of the 50 States, for what it calls the ‘inevitable Bird Flu pandemic,’ which they say could kill half or more of all Americans and similar numbers of people around the globe?"4
Ominously, on June 3, Associated Press reported, "Tyson Foods Inc. has begun killing and burying the carcasses of 15,000 hens from a flock that tested positive for exposure to a strain of the bird flu in northwest Arkansas, state officials said Tuesday."
Tyson Foods is the largest industrialized producer of chickens in the world and has been repeatedly under attack for its unsanitary conditions of breeding and slaughtering. In January 2005, a US Government Accountability Office (GAO) report to the US Senate, "Safety in the Meat and Poultry Industry," concluded that US meat and poultry processing plants had "one of the highest rates of injury and illness of any industry." They cited exposure to "dangerous chemicals, blood, faecal matter, exacerbated by poor ventilation and often extreme temperatures. Workers typically faced hazardous conditions, loud noise, must work in narrow confines with sharp tools and dangerous machinery."
The industrialization of chicken-raising and slaughtering in the USA has progressed to the point that by 2003 when the first cases of H5N1 Avian Flu virus were reported from Asia, five giant multinational agribusiness companies dominated the production and processing of chicken meat in the United States. The five companies were Tyson Foods, the largest in the world; Gold Kist Inc; Pilgrim’s Pride; ConAgra Poultry; and Perdue Farms.5 Most outbreaks of Avian Flu in Asia have been traced back to such mass chicken industrial factory centers.6
In May this year, The Canadian Press reported from Toronto, "An experiment mating H5N1 avian flu viruses and a strain of human flu in a laboratory produced a surprising number of hybrid viruses that were biologically fit, a new study reveals. And while none of the offspring viruses was as virulent as the original H5N1, about one in five were lethal to mice at low doses, showing they retained at least a portion of the power of their dangerous parent." 7
The Toronto article went on, "The work suggests that under the right circumstances – and no one is clear what all of those are – the two types of flu viruses could swap genes in a way that might allow the H5N1 virus to acquire the capacity to trigger a pandemic. That process is called reassortment. ‘This study is just showing exactly that: There is a risk this virus can successfully reassort with a human virus,’ said Richard Webby, director of the World Health Organization’s collaborating centre for influenza research at St. Jude Hospital in Memphis, Tennessee." 8
Pentagon Bioweapon research
Prof. Mathew Meselson, a professor of molecular biology at Harvard, and well-respected scientist in the area of chemical and biological warfare, confirms that the United States government has extensively researched and developed biological weapons in the past. Meselson described an American facility, north of Terre Haute, Indiana, built in 1944 that would have produced 500,000 four pound anthrax bombs monthly once in full operation.
Meselson was part of a team that proved the accidental release of anthrax at a Soviet facility in 1979, disproved charges of biological warfare in Laos and Cambodia in the late 1970s, and was a driving force behind popularizing the Chemical Weapons Convention in 1994.
Since coming in office, the Bush-Cheney Administration has done much to weaken that Chemical Weapons Convention as well as ones on biological weapons. One of George W. Bush’s first acts as President in early 2001 was to oppose a proposed international Biological and Toxic Weapons Protocol, without explanation, leading to the death of the talks.
In a 2004 study, the British Medical Association warned that the world was perhaps only a few years away from "terrifying biological weapons capable of killing only people of specific ethnic groups," citing advances in genetic weapons technology. 9
The US Department of Homeland Security has ominously enough announced it is ordering production and stockpiling of a pandemic influenza vaccine: "The U.S. Government is taking steps to minimize the need to make vaccine allocation decisions by supporting efforts to increase domestic influenza vaccine production capacity. Significant funding is being
provided to develop new vaccine technologies that allow production of enough pandemic influenza vaccine for any person in the United States who wants to be vaccinated within six months of a pandemic declaration." 10The curious role of Sanofi Pasteur
The US Government has been financing the development of a vaccine against H5N1 on a "fast track" basis since 2004. Sanofi Pasteur in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania, a subsidiary of the giant French pharmaceutical firm, the third largest in the world, manufactured an inactivated vaccine made from an H5N1 virus isolated in Southeast Asia in 2004. Sanofi Pasteur, part of the French-based Sanofi Aventis Group, was awarded a contract by the US Government’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), part of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), NIAID to manufacture the H5N1 vaccine in May 2004.11
In April 2007 the FDA approved the Sanofi Pasteur vaccine for H5N1 even though one year before the FDA cited Sanofi Pasteur for producing contaminated Fluzone vaccines.12 The FDA approved H5N1 vaccine is itself apparently not really effective in event of a human-to-human outbreak of Avian Flu. On announcing its approval, the FDA stated, "two injections given 28 days apart may provide ‘limited’ protection if a pandemic occurs. About 45% of people who got the vaccine in a study developed an immune response to the virus."13
Until now H5N1 has not mutated into a form that can easily spread from person to person. Is that what the researchers at Sanofi Pasteur and various labs under contract to the US Government are engaged in? If so it would be classified Top Secret, clearly. The respected British magazine, New Scientist, commented, "If H5N1 does mutate, it is unclear if vaccines developed now would still work against a pandemic strain. Manufacturers could tailor a new vaccine to that strain, but current production methods take months."14
The magazine noted that research on the Sanofi vaccine was conducted by the National Institutes of Health as part of the US Government’s efforts to prepare for a flu pandemic. The salient question is whether they prepare "for a flu pandemic" or whether they prepare a flu pandemic. Why is the US Government spending hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars to stockpile this H5N1 vaccine which likely would not work against such a pandemic outbreak?
On July 2, 2008, the London Daily Telegraph newspaper reported, "Three Polish doctors and six nurses are facing criminal prosecution after a number of homeless people died following medical trials for a vaccine to the H5N1 bird-flu virus." 15
The report added that the medical staff, from the northern town of Grudziadz, were being investigated over medical trials on as many as 350 homeless and poor people last year, which prosecutors say involved an untried vaccine to the highly-contagious virus. Authorities claim that the alleged victims received €3 to be tested with what they thought was a conventional flu vaccine but, according to investigators, was actually an anti bird-flu drug. The director of a Grudziadz homeless centre, Mieczyslaw Waclawski, told a Polish newspaper that last year, 21 people from his centre died, a figure well above the average of about eight.
The Polish report did not specify if it was the vaccine being developed under contract to the US Government Department of Homeland Security by Sanofi-Pasteur. However, it is known that Sanofi-Pasteur has been producing large quantities of such a vaccine at a factory they have in China.
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Dr. Laibow reports that the "Pandemic Avian Flu Vaccine" was scheduled to be delivered to the United States this month by the French vaccine maker, Sanofi Pasteur, from a facility they own in China, where it is being produced. The US Government issued its "Vaccine" allocation plan in July. Laibow fears that a most sinister scenario of a deliberate release of Avian Flu pathogens on the population that could activate martial law and forced vaccination with resulting deaths in the millions could be imminent. Spanish Flu virus revived by Pentagon
In 2003 US Army scientists created ‘Spanish Flu’ virus in the laboratory. According to a report at the time by the watchdog group, The Sunshine Project, which monitors biological and chemical weapons research of the United States Government issued a statement that "The ‘Spanish Flu’ influenza virus that killed 20-40 million people in 1918 is currently under reconstruction. Several genes of the extraordinarily lethal 1918 flu virus have been isolated and introduced into contemporary flu strains. These proved to be lethal for mice, while virus constructs with genes from a current flu virus types had hardly any effect. These experiments may easily be abused for military purposes, but provide little benefit from a medical or public health point of view."
They continued, "The 1918 Spanish Flu was highly infectious and – in comparison to contemporary flu viruses – killed a very high percentage of those infected, including many younger people. The Spanish Flu alone caused the medium life expectancy in the US in 1918 to drop by 10 years. Hence, flu viruses are perceived today as a serious biological warfare threat. Just two weeks ago, a 15 million dollar research grant was awarded in the US to develop protective measures especially against a bioterrorist attack with flu viruses."
The statement added, "Despite the very dangerous nature of the 1918 virus, efforts to reconstruct it started in the mid 1990s, when Dr Jeffrey Taubenberger from the US Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington DC succeeded in recovering and sequencing fragments of the viral RNA from preserved tissues of 1918 victims. In the current issue of the scientific journal Emerging Infectious Diseases new genetic details of the 1918 flu virus will be published."
Most ominously, they report, "But after (partially) unravelling the genetic sequence of the virus, the scientists went a step further and began bringing the Spanish flu back to life. Unnoticed by the public, they succeeded in creating a live virus containing two 1918 genes that proved to be very lethal in animal experiments. This experiment is only one genetic step away from taking the 1918 demon entirely out of the bottle." 16
They conclude, "A resuscitation of the Spanish flu is neither necessary nor warranted from a public health point of view. Allegedly, the recent experiments sought to test the efficacy of existing antiviral drugs on the 1918 construct. But there is little need for antiviral drugs against the 1918 strain if the 1918 strain had not been recreated in the first place. ‘It simply does not make any scientific sense to create a new threat just to develop new countermeasures against it.’ says Jan van Aken, biologist with the Sunshine Project, ‘Genetic characterization of influenza strains has important biomedical applications. But it is not justifiable to recreate this particularly dangerous eradicated strain that could wreak havoc if released, deliberately or accidentally.’"17
Let us sincerely hope not, but as Prof. Stephen Block, Stanford University biophysicist with years of experience in classified Pentagon and US Government biological research remarked in another context, "We’re tempted to say that nobody in their right mind would ever use these things." Block added, "But not everybody is in their right mind…" 18Sanofi Pasteur delivers H5N1 vaccine
On April 28 of this year in an official Press Release from Sanofi Pasteur US headquarters in Swiftwater, Pennsylvania and Lyon, France, the company stated, "Sanofi Pasteur, the vaccines division of Sanofi-Aventis Group, announced today that the US Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) has accepted H5N1 bulk vaccine antigen to produce approximately 38.5 million doses of vaccine to protect against a new strain of avian influenza. Sanofi Pasteur has a multi-year contract with HHS as part of its pandemic program, and will receive a payment of $192.5 million booked in the second quarter of 2008 for acceptance of the bulk vaccine lot."19
Then, on June 16 of this year, Sanofi Pasteur issued the following release announcing that it will, "donate 60 million doses of H5N1 vaccine to the World Health Organization (WHO) over 3 years for the establishment of an H5N1 vaccine global stockpile."
The President and CEO of Sanofi Pasteur, Wayne Pisano, said in the release, "The H5N1 virus is currently circulating in some of the poorest regions of the world and an outbreak of pandemic influenza would most likely hit populations living in areas with limited access to vaccines. This donation of H5N1 vaccine aims to address the needs of those most vulnerable populations. In addition to supporting the efforts of governments," Pisano added, "it is essential that industry collaborates with international organizations such as WHO, the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation and other global health players. This is the best way to build a stockpile of vaccines for developing nations, ready to be deployed on the ground in the event of a pandemic flu outbreak."20
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, in addition to being a financial supporter of the so-called Doomsday Seed Vault in the Arctic, has dedicated its foundation billions to support population control especially inAfrica. Among other projects they, as well as the Rockefeller Foundation, are financing The Alliance for a Green Revolution in Africa, whose head is former UN Secretary General Kofi Annan. 21
As the world’s leading influenza vaccine manufacturer, Sanofi Pasteur produces approximately half of the influenza vaccine distributed worldwide. In the US it produced more than 40 percent of the influenza vaccine distributed for the 2007-2008 influenza season. The fact that the US Government has revived the 1918 Spanish Flu virus to make "tests" indicates that anything is possible. There are in this world some people not in their "right mind." God forbid if it is so in this instance.
F. William Engdahl is author of Seeds of Destruction: the Hidden Agenda of Genetic Manipulation
He may be contacted through his website, www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net. (see details on William engdahl’s book below)
Notes
1Alfred W. Crosby, America’s Forgotten Pandemic: The Influenza of 1918, Cambridge, Cambridge University Press, 1989, pp.207-8. The Spanish Influenza was unusual in that it struck infants as well as elderly. Crosby described its effects: "a disease that turned people the color of wet ashes and drowned them in the fluids of their own bodies and inspired names like the ‘purple death.’
2 Rima E. Laibow, M.D., Weaponized Avian Flu Intelligence Report, in http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/?p=742
3 Ibid.
4 Ibid.
5 F. William Engdahl, Saat der Zerstörung: Die dunkle Seite der Gen-Manipulation, Kopp Verlag, Rottenburg am Neckar,2007, pp. 269-271.
6 GRAIN, Fowl Play: The Poultry Industry’s Central Role in the Bird Flu Crisis, http://www.grain.org/go/birdflu , February 2006. In their report they note, "The transformation of poultry production in Asia in recent decades is staggering. In the Southeast Asian countries where most of the bird flu outbreaks are concentrated—Thailand, Indonesia, and Viet Nam—production jumped eightfold in just 30 years, from around 300,000 metric tonnes (mt) of chicken meat in 1971 to 2,440,000 mt in 2001. China’s production of chicken tripled during the 1990s to over 9 million metric tons per year." (Cited in Engdahl, Op. Cit., p. 288.).
7 As well, a report by a Canadian organization, Beyond Factory Farming, described the transmission likely pathways from the giant industrialized chicken centers: ‘In Thailand, China and Vietnam there is a highly developed industrial poultry industry which has expanded dramatically in the past decade. The large poultry companies raise millions of birds, hatch chicks to supply other intensive poultry operations, export live birds and eggs to countries such as Nigeria (where the first Highly Pathogenic Avian Influenza outbreak in Africa was recently reported) and produce and export feed which often includes "litter" (i.e., manure) in the ingredients.
[…]
‘Manure that may contain live virus is spread on surrounding farmland, or exported as fertilizer, and through run-off may end up in surface waters where wild birds feed and rest. Chicken manure is even found in fish farm feed formulations where it is introduced directly into the aquatic environment. Wild birds and poultry that
have fallen victim to HPAI in Asia, Turkey and Nigeria appear to have been directly exposed to HPAI virus originating in the factory farm system. In Asia, a flock of wild ducks died from HPAI—after having come into contact with the disease at a remote lake where a fish farm used feed pellets made from poultry litter from a factory farm. In Turkey a massive cull of backyard flocks—and the deaths of three children—took place after a nearby factory farm sold sick and dying birds to local peasants at cut rate prices. Nigeria has a large and poorly regulated factory poultry production sector which is supplied with chicks from factory farms in China.’ (Engdahl, Op. Cit., p. 289)
8 Study shows hybrids of bird flu and human flu viruses fit well, could occur, The Canadian Press, Toronto, undated. May 2008.
Ibid.
9 F. William Engdahl, Op. Cit., pp. 262-263.
10 United States Department of Homeland Security, Health & Human Services Department, Guidance on Allocating and Targeting Pandemic Influenza Vaccine, p. 2, accessed in http://www.pandemicflu.gov/vaccine/allocationguidance.pdf.
11 NIH News, NIAID Initiates Trial of Experimental Avian Flu Vaccine, Washington, D.C., March 23, 2005, accessed in http://www3.niaid.nih.gov/news/newsreleases/2005/avianfluvax.htm.
12 Quoted in, sanofi pasteur, The Largest Company In The World Devoted To Human Vaccines, April 18, 2007, accessed at http://noonehastodie.blogspot.com/2007/04/sanofi-pasteur-largest-company-in-world.html
13 The New Scientist, US Approves First Bird Flu Vaccine for People, 17 April, 2007, accessed at http://www.newscientist.com/channel/health/bird-flu/dn11626-us-approves-first-bird-flu-vaccine-for-people.html
14 Ibid.
15 Matthew Day, Homeless people die after bird flu vaccine trial in Poland, Daily Telegraph, July 2, 2008, accessed in http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/poland/2235676/Homeless-people-die-after-bird-flu-vaccine-trial-in-Poland.html.
16 The Sunshine Project, Lethal Virus from 1918 Genetically Reconstructed: US Army scientists create ‘Spanish Flu’ virus in laboratory – medical benefit questionable, 9 October 2003, accessed at http://www.sunshine-project.org/publications/pr/pr091003.html.
17 Ibid.
18 Cited in F. William Engdahl, Op. Cit., p. 277.
19 Press Release of Sanofi Pasteur, U.S. Government accepts $192 million of sanofi pasteur H5N1 bulk vaccine antigen for pandemic stockpile: Vaccine for new strain of virus broadens government readiness program, April 28, 2008, accessed at
http://198.73.159.214/sanofi-pasteur2/ImageServlet?imageCode=22971&siteCode=SP_CORP
20 Press Release of Sanofi Pasteur, Sanofi Pasteur to donate 60 million doses of H5N1 vaccine to WHO over 3 years for its influenza vaccine global stockpile, June 16, 2008, accessed at
http://198.73.159.214/sanofi-pasteur2/ImageServlet?imageCode=22987&siteCode=SP_CORP.
21 William Engdahl, ‘Doomsday Seed Vault’ in the Arctic: Bill Gates, Rockefeller and the GMO giants know something we don’t, in Global Research, December 4, 2007, accessed in http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529
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August 15th, 2008 at 3:30 pm
theres no end to the f---ing s--- they unleash on us. Why do we put up with this. The s--- they do just ain’t human. Its got to end, now, or they’ll just keep piling more s--- on us. Somebody somewhere has got to have a plan to stop these sick bastards. Are you gonna tell me there ain’t nobody in congress or in this country that has no say what-so-ever? This country is pathetic.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
OH MY GOD ROADDOG—- You are SOOOO right. They ARE trying to kill us. Quick everyone, run for your lives………..the big bad govt is after us.
Hey roaddog, wake up douche bag. What’s with the paranoia??? No seriously, whats up? Love this land or leave it. Is anyone forcing you to be here? Can you actually answer this for me? Please?
Again, IS ANYONE FORCING YOU TO BE HERE? And, one final question: Why would you want to be in a country where the govt. is trying to kill it’s people with the bird flu? You really haven’t been exposed (no pun intended) to socializing and socialization have you? Now do you see what sitting on your mom and dads couch all day does to ones brain?
Do you now see how STUPID you sound. Get off this site moron.
August 15th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
EXPOSED !!!!!! “The Unveiling of Jordan Maxwell” a film by Chris White. Hear it from Jordan’s own lips! Wake Up! http://lionandlambtv.com/index.php/videos/view/393
August 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
i blogged on the new vaccination, profitsil. click on my name.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
A Black Crow with the Bird Flu
Pbf (in best southpark voice):
“If you don’t like it you can get out”
Classic!!!!
Rather then run for our lives or take it like a slave as you suggested.
How about a 3rd option of trying to do something about it.
Step one…Ignore idiots like you
Step 2…work diligently
August 15th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
QUOTE >> A Black Crow with the Bird Flu Says:
Get off this site moron.
are you the infowars police?? maybe YOU should get off this site seeing as you have nothing to contribute but dis-info. who signs your paycheck? centcom… only a NWO supporter would stick up for them… not an infowarrior!
August 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Oh, yea!? Now, it’s flu……
August 15th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Mr. Jones, — I am scared for my country.
God bless, and love.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
think of all the infowarriors and like minded that will fevorantly deny taking this vaccine.
i bet the elite are smart enough to know this and by not taking the vaccine you will most certainly be one that becomes ill.
damned if you do, damned if you don’t world…
August 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
KLC – do you even know what a paycheck is? Or do you rely on the very govt. you hate for your EBT cards? Ooohh, tough one to answer?? That’s called a hypocrite KLC. Spend a little less time in your basement and educate yourself to the world.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I think this is what they will use. No finger prints, no bombs leaving residue or molten metal behind. We will send aid and promise to help but the world will not see these animals laughing and cheering over the death they have brought to this earth. To all you alphabet agency types that monitor this site put in your reports that no matter how much money and power they have they will never out run or hide from the wrath of God for what they have done or will do. Keep serving your masters like loyal peon’s and you will share their fate.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
PBF, you will never even get remotely close to change. Enjoy your life on earth while you are here. And, I’ve noticed all of the comments of my post #2, BUT I’VE FAILED TO SEE ANYONE BE ABLE TO ANSWER THE SIMPLE, SIMPLE, QUESTION: Why are you here then? Nobody is forcing you to stay in this horrible country. Again, your hypocrites.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
A children’s rhyme here during the Spanish flu: I had a little bird, its name was Enza. I opened the window and in flew Enza…
August 15th, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Re:A Black Crow with the Bird Flu Says:
You are exactly what is WRONG with our country. Do you despise FREEDOM? Do despise LIBERTY? Do you dispise the CONSTITUTION? A Black Crow with the Bird Flu Says???? tHESE ARE THE VERY THINGS THAT THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON! WE ARE A REPUBLIC NOT A DEMOCRACY! I REPEAT NOT A DEMOCRACY!
I hear that
Iraq is a NEW DEMOCRACY set up by Bu$h & Cheney! RED ALERT!!!!!!!!! A Black Crow with the Bird Flu Says flights leave the USA via DFW each & every Friday heading to Iraq the lastest & Greatest DEMOCRACY that has hit this planet. So what are you waiting for get your ticket its real easy all you have to do is join any branch of our military INCLUDING but not limited to the RESERVES! Go get em boy!
August 15th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
what the hellis wrong with this country? we are all in a lot of trouble living in this country. from this s--- they put in our water to the s--- they try to make u put in ur veins.. what the hell kind of world do we live in? we all need to get up and start some kind of frigen uprising so they know we are not all drones.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Creating or re-creating any biological virus that could kill millions is evident only of criminal intention. Only weak minded cowards need something like this to wage war against a population. There exists a greater biological threat than any virus known to man. We call them politicians in the U.S. Truth is your vaccination. Death to the New World Order!
August 15th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Just remember kidies in Infowars world either way it goes it was a conspiracy.
If they didn’t develop a vaccine you would be reading “Pentagon refuses to develop avian flu vaccine to protect Americans” and everyone would be quoting the Georgia guidestones and NWO depopulation schemes.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Well despite what we do it seems impossible to stop them at this point. I am just preying for the mercy of a quick death.
But after we are all dead I think that they will turn on each other and destroy each other, karma will come around, because thats just how their nature is, they like to kill and so they will kill and it does not matter what conditions are they will act the same regardless.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:48 pm
#9
A vaccine is bulls--- anyway, it would only be effective for an isolated strain like a weaponized version. If H5N1 jumps into mammals like pigs, horses, or god forbid humans, it will be unstable, and constantly mutating. That’s what viruses do, they change constantly with each new host. We vaccine everyone it will only make the virus stronger to our natural human immunities. It might save some, in the first wave of infection. But if you actually research pandemics, the last really bad one was the Spanish Flu. It started in an Army Base in Kentucky, and started as a standard flu, when the soldiers went to Europe during WW1 it spread and mutated all the way across the globe. By the time it came back to the U.S. your talking one out of five people in the world had died from it. 60 million plus. More than the war itself. Only strong people survive, those weakened by stresses like war and nutrition deficiencies are the first to go. You can’t stop natural selection. Everyone of you who has weak genetics and a weak immune system will die, vaccine or not. The strong inherit the earth, always have, always will. Money and medicine have nothing to do with it. That’s what they won’t admit. Americans have weal immune systems, we eat s---ty food, pop antibiotics at the first sign of a sniffle, we over-sanitize everything. We’ve tried adamantly to remove ourselves from the circle of life, virus’ remind us we aren’t s---, evolutionarily speaking.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
If youreqally want to have your mind blown, check out the non profit site, http://www.sunshine-project.org and read through all the horrid biotech and nanotech weapons being made in US labs with no oversight whatsoever. What could possibly be the point when the only valid threats are made by covert governemtn agencies posing as terrorists? My god, the last Al Qaeda terrorist they put in our faces was a 24 year old Jewish kid from Southern California. Asad the Terrible or something like that?
The fact is, the only Al Qaeda cell ever caught in all of history were proven to be working for the Israeli government. Google the whatreallyhappenedDOTcom article “Fake Al Qaeda” and “Fake Bin Laden”. Quit being brainwashed sheep! I am amazed when I come on these comments sites and read dozens of ignorant people who obviously are parroting Fox News verbatim. IS your life really so pathetic that you have to imitate Bill O’ Reilly or Michael Savage? Get a life. Pathetic. Listen to the media at 8thEstate.com and http://mondocratic.podomatic.com
August 15th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
POst #14 WTF dude????
Make some sense with your points or don’t make them. And Chickie, lay off the heroin. “s--- they put in our water” ???????????????
Leave the country then you freakin idiot. My God, do you people have lives or the capacity to rationalize???
August 15th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
MY GOD are we letting this go on in our COUNTRY we have to stop this any way we can ? If WE THE PEOPLE can,t control what is going on it s time TO GO DIGG YOUR OWN GRAVE// my god this isn,t right !!!!!!!!!!!!!1
August 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
If we could unleash a biological weapon that affected ONLY Muslims, wouldn’t that be a GOOD thing?
Wouldn’t that be one way to END terrorism?
I realize that most Muslims are not Arabs and that there are a few whites that are Muslims. However, the vast majority of Muslims are either Arabs, Iranians, South Asian or of Malay ancestry.
August 15th, 2008 at 6:10 pm
I hope everyone has watched or read Stephen King’s ‘THE STAND’….because it clearly outlines the frightening scenario of a flu pandemic.
If you haven’t seen it yet….get the book now!!!!
August 15th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
theworldwithoutparasites.com get your zappers and dont worry about virus zapper and orgone energy is one of the biggest cover ups in medicine world and science
August 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
Geeeez, do you also believe that Aliens exist and are being protected by the US Govt.?
I doubt that this response will ever see the light of day!
August 15th, 2008 at 6:22 pm
what virus? get your zappers worldwithoutparasites.com
August 15th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
to #21 idiot, have your centcom managers recommended ‘dude’ and ‘freakin’ as good buzz words to convince infowarriors? You’re probably not really getting paid for your dis-info efforts, but you’re a tool anyhow for people that want to destroy our country.
I know, its tough to take, to admit you’re wrong when you don’t have enough information to really form an argument. at least you can read and write, though, so not all hope is lost.
Ugh, you too smart, arrh, uh, well – just leave the country if you don’t like it.
Hey jackass, that’s why we’re all on here – to find out what’s really going on so we can expose the truth to others and make REAL POSITIVE CHANGE. You don’t want to believe any of this information – fine, you line up with your family and take the shots and maybe we’ll see you on the other side.
p.s.- the ’s---’ they put in the water, among others, is Sodium Fluoride and its sounds like you’re getting pleny. don’t worry, it is good for you, and tastey too. (Homer’s voice) Mmmmm, Sodium Fluoride. don’t bother to look up the material data safety sheet on it too – they are probably just faked by unpatriotic idiots who should leave the country, huh?
August 15th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Alex Jones is a fear monger.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
What or what not the ‘conspiracy’ might do. This article is complete disinformation.
To believe this one must also believe that a corpse from 1918 died in Alaska (quite possible), froze completely (not so far fetched), was not eaten by wolves or polar bear (less likely), and did not decay in to a pile of desiccated bone fragments (far less likely). Having done all of that remained on the surface of ground cover for 90 years only to be found by a fortunate government agent who had no way of knowing how great a find he had (very unlikely), but who knew enough about it’s importance not to contact the local coroner (almost impossible).
In short, unless this corpse was tagged ‘1918 – Spanish Flu – Specimen for further research’ and then frozen in absolute perfect preservation (something that was not possible in 1918, or until the mid-1920’s when freon refrigeration was invented) for an indefinite period, this simply blah, blah, blah, conspiracy, blah!
The second valid point, that the U.S. engineered the Spanish Flu……..
sorry, I was laughing. Let’s not presume that because we can trace geneomes, do experimental genetic tinkering, and even gene therapy that this was always the case. In fact, in 1918 no even had a theoretical understanding of Genetics….NONE….we couldn’t even identify any part of the strand of DNA(1950’s), nor even a cell(1930’s). It is a far cry between being able to breed a specific color of flower, or produce a purely chemical agent and being able to directly manipulate the genetic structure of a virus(1980’s).
Sorry, debunked.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
This is good reason to implement Eugenics program instead of using weaponized version Avian Flu. We need to protect the strong and prevent the weak from breeding and reduce world population by 6 Billion people. Human race must be “culled” to a sustainable level if the earth and its civilization are able to survive.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
HAS ANYONE THOUGHT TO READ REVELATION?
IT IS ALL PROPHESIED. I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT BELIEVE ME NOW………….BUT YOU WILL ALWAYS HAVE A DOUBT IN YOUR MIND. IT IS TIME TO THINK AND PRAY. THERE IS NO ESCAPE FROM GOD. AND IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT READ MATHEW CHAPTER 24. PESTILENCES =DISEASES
August 15th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
I can’t wait untill the day comes when your true roots are revealed. The day when you are exposed for being a communist dis information fear monger! Taking peoples money by instilling panic inside your own government. You f’n traitor, not only to America but every living being!
August 15th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Weaponized Avian Flu : http://www.healthfreedomusa.org/index.php?p=742 . Reported about two weeks ago
CDC backup generators taken off line for maintenance and repair – 3 power failures in that period that could have disabled the negative airflow system – no reported problems , the CDC says there was no danger
because there are redundant emergency systems – Atlanta Journal Constitution (7/19/ 08) – search ( CDC
power outage ) Story: Offline generators caused germ lab outage ( 7/22/08) Story: CDC (simulates) lab blackout . Add the story 3 weeks ago on infowars of large amounts of casket liners (owned by fema) found
outside of Atlanta .
August 15th, 2008 at 8:27 pm
JIMMY IN MEXICO I read Revelation and Mathew chp 24,you are right,this is all been told in Bible KJV.These people that are causeing these bio weapons are not just insane but satanic for sure.But I beleive those that believe in Jesus Christ will come thru this time of tribulation,not all maybe but maney and I hope to be one of them,thats why I read the Bible and try and figure out the game plan of GOD.I think they plan to use these kind of bio weapons on the 3rd world poor as they have been doing for year via the UN shots and etc.They want us somewhat educated slaves of america for there laborers I guess.to ANNA are you jokeing or are you insane.
August 15th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
why do you people harte america?
August 15th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
i’m native american not christian but i know a few christians and either way ill take natural immunity to artificial immunity via the needle any day. does neurological cripples mean anything to anyone aka mutants?
August 15th, 2008 at 8:59 pm
#42— Nobody here hates amerikah. We hate the low-life pieces of s--- that run this great country. They kill, lie, cheat, rob, each and everyone that lives in this land. We’re sick of their weak deceptions, their two-faced power hungery, greedy, egotistical, traitorist, blame throwing, conieving, cowards. Now let me tell you what I really think…….They need to be brought before a real court and either hung from the street lights for everyone to see their rotting corpses or shot in the face with a high power rifle, point blank.
August 15th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
im native american not a christian but i know a few and i dont mean that disrespectfully in any way. however, ill take natural immunity over artificial immunity via the needle any day. and to all the experts commenting on this site remember thimerasol ingredient in vaccinations. have you ever seen what happens to a human cell when used? to all who want the truth my chiropractor at chiropractic first in redding california has a very interesting video. http://www.chirofirst.net
August 15th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
To Anna:
Judge Ye not, lest Ye shall be Judgeth! You can’t run and hide from God
August 15th, 2008 at 9:20 pm
Well to comment on all those that feel alex is a fear monger, well some may see it that way, but others who are awake see him as a fighter for truth. Now he is not always right and will advitt that on his shows, sometimes things do not work out the way he thinks they will, but close enough.
Many researchers have delved into all these things, and have gotten it wrong on some accounts, but they are mostly right, and many thought alex was nuts years ago, but he called many tings right.
And yes some of this can be gotten from the bible, and for those that believe in the word great, and for those that do not, well it is best to create a religion with a grain of truth mixed with lies, and reveal part of the plan to inspire fear for God, which will control the people as sheep.
There are many blinds, many dark passageways, and we have to get the truth out so that others may have a little light to follow.
The flu thing, possible, but I need more info about it.
August 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
lmao of post 32. And for all the bible heads. Did you ever think the government carries this kind of stuff out on purpose to make you believe in the bible even more? Did the bible predict 9/11 or pearl harbor? Theres been plenty of tragedies that have occured in which the bible hasnt mentioned.
August 15th, 2008 at 10:35 pm
All of those plastic coffins suddenly come to mind…
August 15th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
This is scary!
Rhonda
August 15th, 2008 at 11:45 pm
#50 Wrong. We have scriptures going back a long time before 1900. You really should do even 5 or 10 minutes of research before you say things that prove you know nothing of what you speak. The scriptures are indeed being fulfilled on a daily basis. That and all the attacks from everyone who hates when I mention the Bible only increases my faith. Is the infowars version of free speech only for atheist? Hmm.
Have a nice day.
P.S. #50 Wrong again. I am a Christian and I battle Zionism every day.
I post this link everywhere.
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/talmudtruth.html
August 15th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
Wow… Numerous virologists have already stated that there is a high probably H5N1 will make the jump to humans within 3-5 years. CDC researchers are already laying out response plans and developing a strategy for rapid vaccine and anti-virus development (which naturally cannot actually take place until after the virus mutates).
So how did that suddenly get twisted into a secret government program to develop an H5N1 bio-weapon?
C’mon folks. For years now Infowars has been a bastion of fact. Why has the last few months seen such as shift into hyperbolic paranoid fantasy? You’re not helping your case by making things up.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:15 am
I wanna move to another planet.
August 16th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Michelle, if you are worried about versions of the Bible you are right. But that doesn’t mean there is not a reliable Bible. The new versions have been tampered with. Look at the different versions side by side and the original texts they were translated from, who the translators were, and the number of original manuscripts that support a translation. This is an excellent resource. http://video.google.com/videop.....;plindex=4
August 16th, 2008 at 12:38 am
#50 you make absolutely no sense. Give something better then the garbage coming out of your ass!
August 16th, 2008 at 1:02 am
Matthew 24
1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:39 am
59* you fanatic christians are such morons
theres no god thats gonna save you
August 16th, 2008 at 3:46 am
google jesus versus horus
August 16th, 2008 at 4:35 am
Avian(Bird) flu is as much a fairytale as is mad cow disease.
The central question still remains,”How to create a vaccination against an inexistet disease?”Easy to answer when you know that the strain had been recreated in the hot labs of CDC. As a mere
citizen, I can’t give medical advice. But as a citizen who uses essential oils, I would say that they can help you, even under exposure to Anthrax.
And, ey, that’s the LAST thing David Rockefeller, the Rumsfelds, the Bush (Scherff) family or the
Quayles want you to hear.
August 16th, 2008 at 4:51 am
I worry the testing of ‘chemtrail’ delivery systems hasn’t been for weather control at all but has been a red-herring to hide preperations to deliver militarised Bird Flu virus in crystalised form.
It all seems such a co-incidence, the proven existence of mass airborne spraying systems and the USA digging those 1918 frozen bodies to rescusitate the Spanish Flue to mix with HN51.
The NWO are so symbolic that it just seems a case of what date they have chosen to commence the global population extermination that scientists like Dr Painca advocates is a matter of urgency.
If we can’t stop this, just hope your immune system is poor, ironically the stronger immune system, the more these things kill, as they turn your bodies immune system against you.
Maybe WW3 IS coming after all -but will be virus led and not nuclear. Militarised HN51 is far better than even the Neutron Bomb.
August 16th, 2008 at 5:18 am
Great info – THANKS
August 16th, 2008 at 7:06 am
Prions are NOT fantasy. Mad cow disease is NOT fantasy.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Don’t you people see whats going on here. You fight and argue about religion all the time and these issues have nothing whats-so-ever to do with god or satan. It has everything to do with what the government is doing to us. The christians can believe anything they want and the others can believe what they want. Why fight amongst ourselves. Either side won’t convert anyone through their retoric on these types of sites. We need to stay focused on fighting the nwo. When we fight like this, they win. Don’t play into their hands.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:37 am
Is that why the New World Order luciferic assasins killed and murdered about 75 of the worlds leading biologist in the last 6 to 7 years!!?? So that a cure for the Avian Flu would be more difficult to find!!?? Why all these murders and deaths by the new world order hit men!! They even slaughtered children when they were present!! These monsters will be in hell screaming and yelling their heads off beause of these evil murders!! AND THE GREAT GOD OF HEAVEN WILL VISIT THEM AND BRING THEM ALL TO HIS ALMIGHTY FATHERS GREAT WHITE THRONE IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE!! After these devils have also killed us in their concentration camps for not taking THEIR ZOMBIE MAKING BEAST CHIP!! But when we die; we shall shoot straight up to heaven and live like gods and goddesses on the renovated Earth and also in heaven!!!
August 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Sorry ROADHOG; but God and Satan and religion has everything to do with what is going on!! The new world order globalist elitist are sworn luciferians that believe and worship lucifer as the dethroned god that should have ruled instead of Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father!! The reason that they are so genocidal and murderous is because they obey the wishes and the commands of their fallen lord lucifer whom the angels kicked out of heaven!! For the powers of darkness and deception rule this earth right now and they will continue to be in power and murder and commit gross acts of genocide and thieveries until JESUS RETURNS WITH HIS MIGHTY ANGELIC ARMIES AND DETHRONE THEM ALL !! As He will turn the Earth over to HIS CHILDREN!! AND THEN THE VANQUISHED DEVILS WILL BE IN THE LAKE OF FIRE AND BRIMSTONE AFTER THE GREAT JUDGMENT DAY AND ONLY THEN WILL THE WORLD HAVE PEACE AND BLISS AND GLORY!!!
August 16th, 2008 at 10:17 am
If you people actually research how the Spanish flu and the Avian Flu kill, you are in for a rude f---ing awakening..cytokine storms.. it attacks those with a healthy immune system the hardest… All those able to fight, all those able to stand up against this… If there were an Avian flu pandemic most of the survivors would be the elderly, sick, and children- all whom could be EASILY manipulated after watching those they love perish..
More people died from the Spanish flu than WORLD WAR I.. yet most people have never heard of it… that right there stinks to high heaven and should make people seek out more information…
Every single thing in this article can be verified with YOUR OWN f---ING RESEARCH.. reclaim your natural human curiosity that has been conditioned out of mostly through the public education system, become like a child again and starting asking questions and looking for answers.
August 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am
If I were extremley paranoid:-
Avian Flu is being prepared as the “Outbreak”. We have been prepared for its arrival…. and I am sure when it comes it will not be the version that we have seen in China….. but an enhanced version of it through Weapons Bio Labs. It will probably have a long incubation period so that air travel will not be stopped until its too late. When the virus has eventually been analyzed it will have all the hallmarks of a man made varient….. there will be one manufacturer of the antidote and the shares in that company will sky rocket ….. also the COE will probably be someone very high up in a Government. All medicare aid will be given to “relevant” Government officials prior to its release….. all other officials that are not “in” or seen as a threat will be outside the loop. The outbreak will start near a “World Hub” so dispersal will be rapid prior to its diagnosis. It will be noted that toward the end of the Pandemic that certain people will still be standing……..
Does this sound like a senario?
August 16th, 2008 at 10:57 am
The comments on this page are the perfect example of what religion can do.It divides peoples.Your leaders are just laughing at you.Most war are between different religious groups.
August 16th, 2008 at 11:08 am
just like in the movie children of men they are apparently coming up with diseases just to create vaccines and medicines.these peopple like playing God.i think this excuse make these men very very dangerous.what we need is real prayer to God like Elijah for the Lord to judge them or like Moses to JUdge them some more. Book of Revelation anyone?
August 16th, 2008 at 11:09 am
#36 You said
“To believe this one must also believe that a corpse from 1918 died in Alaska (quite possible), froze completely (not so far fetched), was not eaten by wolves or polar bear (less likely), and did not decay in to a pile of desiccated bone fragments (far less likely). Having done all of that remained on the surface of ground cover for 90 years only to be found by a fortunate government agent who had no way of knowing how great a find he had (very unlikely), but who knew enough about it’s importance not to contact the local coroner (almost impossible).
In short, unless this corpse was tagged ‘1918 – Spanish Flu – Specimen for further research’ and then frozen in absolute perfect preservation (something that was not possible in 1918, or until the mid-1920’s when freon refrigeration was invented) for an indefinite period, this simply blah, blah, blah, conspiracy, blah!
The second valid point, that the U.S. engineered the Spanish Flu……..
sorry, I was laughing. Let’s not presume that because we can trace geneomes, do experimental genetic tinkering, and even gene therapy that this was always the case. In fact, in 1918 no even had a theoretical understanding of Genetics….NONE….we couldn’t even identify any part of the strand of DNA(1950’s), nor even a cell(1930’s). It is a far cry between being able to breed a specific color of flower, or produce a purely chemical agent and being able to directly manipulate the genetic structure of a virus(1980’s).”
That’s not conspiracy, and it is fact they removed two Russians who were WW1 soldiers, who died from the flu, and were buried in the permafrost, as in permanent frost, as in a graveyard. American scientists did recreate the Spanish Flu, using intact lung tissue sample from dead flu victims from ninety tears ago. That’s not debunked, that’s fact. Osi the ice man remained intact for three thousand years in permafrost. Your not implying any fact in your argument.
Here is a write up on it with sources. You better check your facts before you sit back and think you know everything. I’m laughing at your gullibility. We didn’t know about genomes in the fifties? Are you high?
http://www.sunshine-project.or.....moflu.html
August 16th, 2008 at 11:34 am
“Inevitable bird flu pandemic”.. great.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0PiEKTEnvs
August 16th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
What people are failing to realize is that H5N1 has already jumped from bird to human. When a virus makes a jump like that, the first couple of times it happens, it either, can’t transmit to another human, or if it does, it burns out very quickly, or weakens in potency. From bird to human is a big leap for an unstable, constantly mutating virus. Now if H5N1 jumps into pigs or closer relatives, that’s when we have to worry. Once it mutates to a point where it can comfortably jump from mammal to mammal we have problems. Human to human transmission doesn’t ensure a pandemic or even a epidemic, it only ensures a higher probability of infection. Many factors come into play. Even with a global economy, a localized epidemic is far more likely, and hopefully this stuff stays out in the sticks where lower populations ensure low transmission, but man, some sick guy jumps on a plane from Hong Kong to London, or Los Angeles. It could be like starting a brush fire. It stabilizes in humans. you’ll see what mother nature’s ‘little helpers’ can do, to a overcrowded or overpopulated species. No contingency, just die. Cold cruel world, but that is her way. We think we’re so noble and untouchable we’re fleas jumping around on her carpet. The more we try to save ourselves, the worse it will be in the end. Like curing Polio, but now we have AIDS, science is escalating an inevitable conclusion. There is only so much sustainable habit, for healthy life forms. We’ve stacked the house of cards, very high, to save the weak in our species. The weak have inherited the earth through technology, their weak genetics have been allowed to prevail. Now the whole species has become weak. Everybody wants to save the baby bird that fell out of the nest, when you and I both know that baby bird was dead before it hit the ground. We should be worried about the birds that haven’t fall out of the nest yet. Every heard the saying about best intentions? I said my peace.
August 16th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Something more insidious is also happening here with the avian virus manipulations. A group of people cans support themselves in emergency situations with a very small area of coturnix (domestic quail.) For as little as 20-40 cents each, the little birds can be grown for meat within two months and most hens produce an egg per day. Though the eggs are small, quail outproduce chickens by 33% in both meat and egg production and 100+ birds can be kept in a small area like 4′x8′x4′.
The feds want to interfere with the people’s ability to support themselves off the grid. Control of food is what they intend to use to starve everyone into camps in the urban centers. Don’t be surprised when they come and kick your door in, kill your livestock and destroy your garden.
August 16th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
They sit together, smoking cigars and hailing Lucifer as they plan to release massive amounts of bio-weapons associated with whichever fabricated event has been chosen this time around.
All the while thinking what theyre doing is wonderful.
May God have mercy on thier souls.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
The world would be a much safer place if people everywhere would stop relying on some mythical person/entity/spirit to come back and save them, most of these people who constantly quote the bible or other holy books have been brainwashed to believe that some figure (whatever your faith) who, to be fair, cannot be historically proven to have existed, will come down and save them, well keep on thinking that whilst sat in FEMA camps or watching to pretty mushroom cloud over your city. The only person who can help you is YOU, get off the soap box and do something to help yourself.
August 16th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Anyone who thinks that their government has been “completely” trasnparent, open and honest about every little scientific advancement of the last 50-100 years has been drinking too much cool-aid.
August 16th, 2008 at 5:14 pm
This message is in response to The Ghost of Tom Joad (post 75)
So what you’re saying is, let the virus kill millions of “bad genes”..
We’re the fruit of mother nature. There is no other organism that has the mental capacity and reproductive success as humans. How can you suggest killing off so many of the most advanced species that has yet to evolve from Earth?
You’re no better than the psycho’s behind this plot…
August 16th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
#73
I did not lie, no technology before the 1980’s could have engineered any virus, thus no engineered Spanish Flu in 1918. Even if some technology could have effected a flu cell no knowledge of the inner workings of the DNA strand was available till the 1930’s (hypothesis doesn’t count as knowledge). Quite simply, this article rests on the readers ability to believe that not only we have a complete copy of a Spanish Flu genome, found under improbable circumstances, but that the U.S. far out stretched the rest of the world in technology to such a degree as to be able to engineer a virus 70 years before anyone else. Consider that the U.S. couldn’t even build a decent non-cranking machinegun (something other nations were quite capable of).
No I am afraid, that this article is fully debunked. It is at best fluff for the masses, at worst badly written disinformation. Is it any wonder, with articles like this, the general population thinks anyone who sees conspiracies is a ‘kook, nut, or crazy’.
Cells decay even frozen in a solid block of ice. Permafrost is far less cold then ice, and thaws seasonally. Frozen cavemen are NOT intact in the sense of being complete except being dead, they are intact as in ‘all limbs and organs still exist intact in recognizable form’, there is a difference.
Also, interesting enough, flu virus’ will die out in an individual if it has no ‘living’ host cells to use as incubators for it’s off-spring. How do you propose these virus’ survived for nearly a century in a dead host?
So who pays you to promote these lies?
August 16th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
And the U.S. did not give blankets infected with smallpox to the Cherokees and other Native Americans, right? There was no biological warfare before 1980, right?
What motivates you to spread your lies?
August 16th, 2008 at 9:39 pm
Hey the US government merged more completely with the phamaceutiical giants in 2007 with the emergence of Medicare Part D.
Revelation 18:23 tells us that the “merchants of sorcery (pharmacology) are the last army fighting against Jesus at the end of time
August 16th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Even if this article was true (considering its written by a half kook I doubt it anyways) The US has had 1000s of Bio Weapons for YEARS. They could have released them at any time, they dont need bird flu to do it.
Seriously Infowars, smarten up for f--- sakes, taking articles from OTHER conspiracy sites IS NOT NEWS NOR CREDITABLE!
Even worse when the fuking guy is trying to sell his book……Give me a break!
I swear theonion.com has become more creditable, and thats a spoof.
August 16th, 2008 at 10:30 pm
I don’t know, but there are a lot of public service announcements about avian flu on Armed Forces Network, which is “only for the use of the Armed Forces and the State Department.” These people are getting ready for something, and they think it’s going to be a lot bigger than it is. I think there is a lot of reason to believe these folks know something we don’t. Now we know the anthrax from the 2001 attacks came from Army laboratories, but we are supposed to believe it was a single rogue researcher that released it (after weaponizing it himself in twelve hours!)
They are developing vacccines, we know, for a strain of avian flu WHICH HAS NOT EVEN SHOWN ITS HEAD. How can this be? How can you develop a vaccine against a strain of a virus which does not yet exist? This is the central lie, and (for those not smart enough to be able to see it) this could very well be the next 9/11 style false-flag terrorist attack — if that is not a nuclear weapon or dirty bomb used on a U.S. city (like Houston?) or several cities.
Strap yourself in, America, your Operation Gladio/Propaganda Due secret government is ceratinly quite alive, still, and they have no reason not to go back to the well if they want to, or if they feel they need to to install another sock puppet government to do their bidding (John “Looney” McCain, I’m looking at you).
Good luck with all that.
August 16th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
Here is a WHAT IF for you!
What if, they have been giving our children along with their mercury, the vaccine to fight this new stuff, and it killd off everyone “over the age of innocence” from the TV series “Jeremiah”, which I’m sure is not a coincendance, is playing on Thursday’s on the Sci-Fi Channel now! Scary thought isn’t it. The “BIG DEATH” killed 6 billion people! Sound familiar!
August 16th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
#82,You got it.
August 17th, 2008 at 2:19 am
#82
Giving a blanket that is infected with an already existing virus is not the same as engineering a virus to lethal proportions, possibly from scratch. And in this instance it was not ‘biological warfare’ it was because Amerinds had no resistance to a disease that Europeans had a resistance to. 1918 technology COULD NOT have supported such an activity, next you will be trying to say Abraham Lincoln broadcast his Gettysburg Address via satellite while standing in front of a green screen in the White House
I know you are trying to sell your conspiracy to the utmost, but let’s get with history here. ‘Biological’ warfare before the WWII era largely consisted of throwing dead soldiers at your enemy in hopes that they would catch something off the corpse. Biological warfare from then into the 1990’s consisted of using weaponized ‘already known viral strains’. Even now mainstream scientists are not 100% sure of what some genetic combinations do.
The question then becomes why ‘you’ are so insistant on selling ‘us’ that this is not the case. Certainly a strain of the Bird flu could be weaponized and even genetically controlled to become a bioweapon…NOWADAYS. You wouldn’t even have to have a hocky (at best) qualifier such as Spanish Flu recombination to make such a thing possible. Do you know microbiology, or a single microbiologist, that would back up the little fairy tale that is proposed here? Not only do I know a fair smattering on the subject, I know others who know more…it’s unequivically laughable to think that a 90 year old corpse would need to be involved in the refinement or genetic alteration of any virus.
No, this is simply a ploy to make conspiracy theorists look even more totally insane. The problem is it takes only a brain and a good sturdy ‘high school’ biology text to refute this lame story. That you buy it only proves that either you know nothing about the topic, you haven’t learned to use your brain critically, or that you are directly promoting it for a financial gain. In the first two cases, try ignoring your fear of what other people ‘claim’ to be true long enough to see that there is a much bigger world then the little corner you are huddling into. In the last case, I hope you are currently enjoying your diet of fear, you know it can’t last.
August 17th, 2008 at 3:00 am
Wow, Mr. “Truth”,
the intellectual superior, is really foaming at the mouth now.
This is kind of fun.
Giving blankets infested was not “biological warfare”? Huh. Not even ‘avant la letrre?’ You know what that means, right? I mean you are a cerebral giant!
Yes, what about those “known deadly viral agents” that the military HAS been trying to weaponize, that just happened to leak out of governement laboratories about the time of 9/11, just in time to add fuel to the fear fire?
By the way, who’s the one trying to sell fear, my friend. It is not me. It is the U.S. government, in the hands of the neocon nutjobs at present.
I am not afraid. I have something no skeptic/cynic like yourself could appreaciate. I have faith that the almigty has a plan. He has a plan for me, a plan for you, and a plan for the rulers of the earth which will be made apparent al in good time. Your arrogance will blind you to that, but that is how it must be for all things to be fulfilled. Yous see, I am not really interested in arguing with people like yourself. Myself, I am out to reach as many as have open minds, and who can see the writing on the wall for the whole Babylon system.
By the way, do you think there have ever been any conspiracies in history? Does labelling someone a “conspiracy theorist” really satisactorily settle a dispute on your home planet?
August 17th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
#82 Your pretty naive.
Permafrost is far less cold than ice? Have you ever ever been to the Arctic Tundra? Even in the summer three feet down it’s solid ice permanently. And yes they can map a genome with a dead cell, particularly one well preserved in ice. Why don’t you go to a college web site, that has a epidemiology department, they probably have a sample of the recreated virus admittedly. I know Penn State does. They took the plasmids from the dead cells and recreated the virus. This is proven scientific fact, who are you working for? Your arguing about this to the wrong person. What are you trying to do, get me to spill my guts? Well I WON’T because in all likelihood I could get a visit from the Army, and possibly get an acquaintance in a jam. If you knew who I did and where they worked, you wouldn’t be so confident in your information. Trust me your talking out your ass, or your trying to get a civilian to talk about classified information? Your wrong, period.
August 17th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
The Truth , I don’t pretend to know a lot about virology but , I can observe . I have worked in the medical
field for over 12 years. I don’t like what I see . There is no denying that illnesses and disease are becoming
stronger and much more frequent . We had a virus last winter that was one of the worst I have seen . It was
flu like with , heavy congestion, fever , severe headaches , nausea , and caused weakness very quickly . It was very contagious , and all doctors said there were no antibiotics that would phase it . I know these symptoms are not unusual , but what is , is the lack of immunity some people seem to have . My wife and
stepfather also died from cancer in the last two years . I was shocked when I started taking my wife for treatment . These places are packed to the brim . If cancer was a communicable disease it would be labeled
an all out epidemic . Look at all of the debilitating and deadly diseases , the case numbers are going through the roof .
You sound like an educated person and I don’t see any value in 7th grade name calling . But, here is a
point to consider , I see veterans of the first and second Iraq wars . There are distinct and obvious weakness in them against disease . I worked with a veteran of recent service . There were three of us
that ( while delivering a 4 hour treatment ) had to help a person who had a ostomy bag . Strange thing is
I did all of the hands on work and was obviously the closest . They both became violently ill the next three days and I felt fine . When they came back , later in the day , I separately asked them if they took
vaccines every year . Both had taken more than 5 , for various reasons , in the last two years . I quit taking them years ago , other than a TB test every 2 years . Something is killing our immunities . Is it
vaccines? GMO”S? something in the air or water . I don’ know . But , the sheer number of cases is not
natural .
Do I believe that the government is doing this ? Am i a conspiracy nut ? What I am is an observer with
a front row seat . It’s no secret that the Tuskegee experiments were real , MK Ultra was not only uncovered , a patient ( Of MK Ultra ) sued and won a judgement against the CIA and the government . We
did put soldiers in a desert and explode a nuclear weapon above ground . And , you have to be living under a rock to not know about what we did with agent orange .
There are people , in our government , who openly talk about a New World Order . Read the writings of
the architects of this movement and they talk point blank about the necessity of forced abortion , eugenics
and planned war and starvation . So , If believing that there are powerful people who are evil and
think they have the right to CULL the rest of us , makes me a conspiracy nut . So be it . I wear if proudly.
Because I know what has happened before , what has been openly said , and what I see with my own two
eyes . Besides , if your beliefs and actions can be altered by calling you a name , then you are a defeated
person .
August 17th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Gee, we may have to lock down some towns if there is an outbreak. Do I get a FEMA trailer full of asbestos when it’s over? Is Osama cooking up some Avian in his cave? I’m so afraid of the boogey men, oh please save me! I don’t want to be scared, I just want to graze……
August 17th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
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August 17th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
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August 17th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
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August 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
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August 19th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Hi all.
I’m just posting as I thought you’d be interested in this article, based on the recently leaked WHO draft regarding ‘pandemic influenza preparedness’.
http://www.onemorepromethean.c.....on-racket/
It’s also available on Wikileaks under ’selected leak reportage’. The draft itself is there under the leaked documents section. It goes into some of the politics of the situation.
Best wishes
Jim.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:49 pm
Do NOT get flu shot. 2 french biological students, Laurent Bomono & Gabriel Ferez were murdered in june by Israeli, British intelligence assasination teams. They found the link between the H-7 vaccine which is supposeded to neutralize the avian flu virus had been spliced using DNA to actually create the illness. Also the vaccine has links to the British and Israeli laboratories associated with the noted Mossad agent, Dr Phillip M. Zackerie AMERICAN FREE PRESS.comments on youtube keep getting removed.