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To Provoke War, Cheney Considered Proposal To Dress Up Navy Seals As Iranians And Shoot At Them
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Think Progress | July 31, 2008
Speaking at the Campus Progress journalism conference earlier this month, Seymour Hersh — a Pulitzer-Prize winning journalist for The New Yorker — revealed that Bush administration officials held a meeting recently in the Vice President’s office to discuss ways to provoke a war with Iran.
In Hersh’s most recent article, he reports that this meeting occurred in the wake of the overblown incident in the Strait of Hormuz, when a U.S. carrier almost shot at a few small Iranian speedboats. The “meeting took place in the Vice-President’s office. ‘The subject was how to create a casus belli between Tehran and Washington,’” according to one of Hersh’s sources.
During the journalism conference event, I asked Hersh specifically about this meeting and if he could elaborate on what occurred. Hersh explained that, during the meeting in Cheney’s office, an idea was considered to dress up Navy Seals as Iranians, put them on fake Iranian speedboats, and shoot at them. This idea, intended to provoke an Iran war, was ultimately rejected:
HERSH: There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up.
Might cost some lives. And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.
Watch it:
Hersh argued that one of the things the Bush administration learned during the encounter in the Strait of Hormuz was that, “if you get the right incident, the American public will support” it.
“Look, is it high school? Yeah,” Hersh said. “Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.”
Transcript:
HERSH: There was a meeting. Among the items considered and rejected — which is why the New Yorker did not publish it, on grounds that it wasn’t accepted — one of the items was why not…
There was a dozen ideas proffered about how to trigger a war. The one that interested me the most was why don’t we build — we in our shipyard — build four or five boats that look like Iranian PT boats. Put Navy seals on them with a lot of arms. And next time one of our boats goes to the Straits of Hormuz, start a shoot-up. Might cost some lives.
And it was rejected because you can’t have Americans killing Americans. That’s the kind of — that’s the level of stuff we’re talking about. Provocation. But that was rejected.
So I can understand the argument for not writing something that was rejected — uh maybe. My attitude always towards editors is they’re mice training to be rats.
But the point is jejune, if you know what that means. Silly? Maybe. But potentially very lethal. Because one of the things they learned in the incident was the American public, if you get the right incident, the American public will support bang-bang-kiss-kiss. You know, we’re into it.
…What happened in the Gulf was, in the Straits, in early January, the President was just about to go to the Middle East for a visit. So that was one reason they wanted to gin it up. Get it going.
Look, is it high school? Yeah. Are we playing high school with you know 5,000 nuclear warheads in our arsenal? Yeah we are. We’re playing, you know, who’s the first guy to run off the highway with us and Iran.
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July 31st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Treason. Plain and simple.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Why doesn’t punk ass, coward Cheney volunteer to ride one of the boats? No wonder his heart’s on the way out. Instead of pumping blood it pumps evil venom. I predict his heart’s going to attack him within the next few months.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:10 pm
I could not get the you tube video to work properly, any suggestions?
July 31st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
When Ii forwarded Seymour’s initial story that Bush was planning to attack Iran i was labeled a Bushbasher by multitudes of conservative republicans. Now ‘I is a Cheneybasher’ after sharing the above with a few learned persons. May God have mercy on our souls.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Kissinger has been quoted as saying soldiers are nothing but cannon fodder. In this Dr. Strangelove world, no one cares if Americans kill Americans to achieve the canard of being attacked by Iranians in the Straits of Hormuz. Dupe them all to provoke a wider war with Iran. Talk about decadent thinking with no value attached to human lives. Just another False Flag event. I bet FOX was ready to run on this story as soon as it got wind of it.
Now, if Mr. Hersh is being totally credible and pox on The New Yorker for holding back the story, Oil and Conquest outweigh any value of human life. These people are so evil, so psychotic and pathological, all they want are schemes for GREED. Human life can be flushed down the shitter.
Are truly informed people really surprised? Alex sure was. So was I. Underestimate desperados, never!
July 31st, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Sounds like a “conspiracy theory” to me.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Yea Willis #1, this is perfectly clear. Open case of treason involving the use of American troops.
From Wiki: In law, treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one’s sovereign or nation. Historically, treason also covered the murder of specific social superiors
What dog is gonna hunt this one?
July 31st, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Holy Operation Northwoods, Batman!
July 31st, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Rick78X Says:
July 31st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Why doesn’t punk ass, coward Cheney volunteer to ride one of the boats? No wonder his heart’s on the way out. Instead of pumping blood it pumps evil venom. I predict his heart’s going to attack him within the next few months.
Right on Rick!
Lucifer isn’t done with his spawn, and unfortunately (emphasis added) we don’t have any military surrounding him that knows the TRUTH about his crimes, and if they did they don’t have the guts to take him out!!
HANG EVIL EVIL TRAITOR CHENEY NOW!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
This Seymour Hersh guy sounds like some kind of conspiracy nut to me… because you have to be a nut to be a “Conspiracy Theorist” like him–those “Conspiracy Theorists” are all a bunch of crazy nuts. It’s delusional to think that our Government (God) would ever do anything wrong to hurt us, that’s because they’re here to protect and care for us. If 9/11 was an inside job, they were probably doing this for our own good and safety like always. Even if 9/11 was and “inside job” it had to be for our own security and to keep us all safe from all those Evil Al Qaeda and Bin Laden. Terrorism is under every bush and rock now and we have to have cops out there beating up old ladies because they be terrorists hiding dynamite sticks concealed in their walkers. You people are stupid for thinking we don’t need a big government to keep us all safe. I think it’s great that our goverment is three times the size it was when Bush (God) took office because that just makes America three times as safe! Don’t you idiots get it, we need to strike Iran before the next 9/11 happens… even if our government has to stage it to go to war with Iran–Iran needs to be punished–they’re just.. bad, okay? So lets nuke Iran before we have to stage another terror attack to nuke Iran. I know that makes a lot of sense to you neocons like me, but to these ignorant “Constitutionalists” it just goes right over their heads. They’ll never understand what our government (God) is doing… oh well.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:36 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th4su1NDu0g
July 31st, 2008 at 4:40 pm
To Justin the punk neocon! You have been brainwashed by all of Eva Braun neocons! I bet you we’re born in a Greyhound Bus Station john! Did your Mother read Mein Kaumph to you before bedtime?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:48 pm
I hope Justin is just kidding.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pm
Hey Justin…good job.It must have been difficult to keep Cheney’s dick out of your throat for that long a period of time so that you could write that…
You next duty is to take it in the ass from GW…What’s that?
You already volunteered?
Good boy
July 31st, 2008 at 5:28 pm
Justin is being sarcastic. You know they say some people don’t have senses of humor.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Spoken like the true coward he is–DICK [ 5 deferments so I won't have to go to Viet-Nam] Cheney. You can’t trust someone who talks out the side of his mouth.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Haha, nice job justin. The reason some people don’t get the sarcasim right away(I almost didn’t) – and this is the crazy part – is that there are people(Faux News) who are actually big enough A-holes to think like that. In fairness, most people are incredulous, and rightfully so, that the government would be capable of these things and the perps in gov. know that. People just need to be exposed to the evidence of these acts of treason, and there is a lot of it, and 90% have their eyes opened. Spread the word…
July 31st, 2008 at 8:38 pm
Willis says: “Treason. Plain and simple.”
Quite right — but so was the sinking of the Maine, the loading of the Lusitania with weapons and passengers, the withholding of warning about Pearl Harbor after blockading Japan’s oil supply, the staged Gulf of Tonkin incident, now declassified — Christ, they’re all treason to any sane person.
Go back to Polk’s provocations for the Mexican War — Congressman Abe “Spotty” Lincoln with his many “spot resolutions” demanding to know the spot where Mexican troops fired on American troops, knowing it was inside Mexico.
In the immortal words of Pogo, “we have met the enemy, and he is us”.
Don’t blame the cockroaches for camping out under the greasy linoleum: clean the damn kitchen!
It’s We the People’s responsibility if the government goes criminal, nobody else’s.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:38 am
Eradicate is a liar and has NO knowledge of the scripture. The Bible is clear – Christ is coming again !!! And his church will be RAPTURED !!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
Carolina Confederate – “Eradicate is a liar and has NO knowledge of the scripture. The Bible is clear – Christ is coming again !!! And his church will be RAPTURED !!!!”
Church? If your talking about the Roman Catholic Church, no, sorry it has nothing to do with Jesus and there will be no rapture either. True Christians have been murdered and persecuted since the time of Pagan Rome and they weren’t raptured so why we True Christians of the 21st century be taken to heaven without enduring what’s coming? That’s what pastors like Hagee and so on think about. The majority of pastors out there don’t even accept Jesus in their hearts and as the true saviour. Many of them hide themselves as Christians while in fact most if not all are just satanic just like Bush lets us believe he is Christian, however we all know he attends secret socieaties like Skull & Bones where they perform satanic rituals to that bastard satan. That is what makes me wonder why people believe in False Prophets such as those.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:37 am
I THINK WE SHOULD STORM DC, CAPTURE ALL THE NEO CONS ( NAZI FASCISTS)
SCOOP THEM UP AND DROP THEM ON THE IRANIAN BORDER AND TELL THEM :
YOU WANT WAR, HAVE IT.
AND WE SIT AND WATCH SQUIRM AND REFUSE TO LET THEM RETREAT.
IN THE OLD DAYS, LEADERS RIGHT OR WRONG BELIEVED IN THEMSELVES AND LED TROOPS INTO BATTLE.
NOW THEY ARE SCARED CHICKEN HAWKS WHO SEND YOUR SONS AND DAUGHTERS TO FIGHT THEIR BATTLES FOR THEM.
I FOR ONE, WILL NEVER FOLLOW A LEADER THATS NOT OUT FRONT LEADING AND WHO IS IN JUST AS MUCH DANGER AS THE TROOPS.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:45 am
HA HA HA RAPTURE.
GODS GOING WHISK YOU AWAY BECAUSE YOU ARE SUCH A GOOD CHRISTIAN.
YOU DON’T SMOKE, LIE ,CHEAT, COMMIT ADULTERY, STEAL, YOU TIDE 10% A WEEK
GOT NEWS FOR YA, NO-ONE IS THAT GOOD.
NONE OF YOU ARE GOING ANYWHERE. BETTER GET USED TO IT.
RAPTURE ORIGINATES FROM THE WORD RAPE.
RAPE MEANS TO TAKE BY FORCE.
TURE, AS IN OVERTURE MEANS MANY.
RAPTURE IS.
A MASS TAKING OF THE CHRISTIANS BY FORCE.
SOUNDS LIKE A NWO DETENTION CAMP CRACKDOWN TO ME.
NOT A FREE PASS TO PARADISE
FOOLS.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
That incident they were discussing was textbook Operation Northwoods. It would not have provoked Iran to start a war, though, it had nothing to do with provocation, rather it was the US trying to come up with a reason to attack Iran that would sell to the public.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:36 pm
These neo con scumbags need to be stopped.
How much more ridiculous does it have to get before Americans have enough ?
Send these chickenhawk shitheads to the middle east and let them play soldier with their own lives
August 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pm
I say it’s BS. If we want war, we’ll get one. It’s not THAT hard to start a war!
August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
#23
just because you do things right doesn’t mean that you’re righteous… & just because you do some bad things doesn’t necessarily mean that you are bad!!! it’s more about trying to do what’s right (in God’s sight not ours) then just doing whatever our desires dictate. plus christians realize that it’s never about doing things perfectly… it’s about having God’s grace in our imperfection while not using it as a license to sin.
http://www.myspace.com/freehovind <—————- WATCH THE VIDEOS!!! LEARN A LITTLE TRUTH!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pm
Oh, how original. That’s what HItler did to start war w/ Poland. Yawn!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pm
This is one of the most moving speeches ever given by a President. No wonder he was assassinated – too honest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re=related
August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pm
Should take a look at this debunking all the claims about Iran. It would be an excellent supplement to this. I know you guys don’t pass anything out or do anything unless Alex tells you to, but come on, info over popularity.
http://warofillusions.wordpres.....-iran-war/
August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pm
This story…the “accidental suicide” of the government employee they’re now fingering for the anthrax attacks…what more proof is needed that 9/11 was an inside job.
From now until January 20, 2009 will be a very dangerous time for all of us. Way too many cards the Bush Neo-Cons can play to think that they won’t play at a few. These people are total thugs, they got to know they’re looking at possible jail time when they get out. We just have to be prepared for anything.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 am
Take 09-11-01
Now reverse the order of the date.
You get 01-11-09
That is 9 days away from end of Bush’s time in office
Seeing lots of 1’s and 9’s in this equation? You know how they love playing with numbers when they plan events like these.
So what do we have to look forward to on 1/11?
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:22 am
Sounds eerily similar to the Gleiwitz Incident (part of Operation Himmler), which was PROVEN and ADMITTED to being an inside job.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:06 am
The thing about alex jones is that he has common sense. If anyone said that Dick Cheney is planning a war with Iran using US troops in a false flag operation, they would be in jail right now, It’s terrorism.
What is the point in taking off your shoes at the airport? This kind of “backward reasoning” is a false flag itself. No wonder people are so confused. It doesn’t make any sense… which I guess is the whole point. Confuse everyone and you can fool them all.
This is not going to work. It’s reverse psychology in a very simple form and it just doesn’t fly anymore. Either Dick Cheney did not consider using our troops in a false flag operation or he did. If he did, he should be in jail. If not, then the report should be retracted. It’s that simple. If it is not retracted, then it is true and Dick Cheney must be removed from office immediately. That’s a sound solution and makes sense.
The bottom line is, we have to support our troops. Dick Cheney is the “loose canon” and must be removed. Once resolved… we can all move forward and provide sound solutions to the troubles in the Middle East as a world power. That’s a win-win solution for everyone.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:56 am
MacDee, you make a valid point. If this weren’t true then the statutes are already on the books to charge Hersh with terrorism. Would any normal person not be livid at the insinuation they planned to murder innocent American kids as a pretext to mass murder? Would any normal (innocent) person not demand an inquiry to clear their name? Where’s the outrage? Nah, I think Big Pauly and others get it. We’re entering a very, very, very fraught time where anything can happen.
August 3rd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Cool. What is the sense of knowing these stuffs if anyone fights sgainst them?
America is going to be remembered by history much worse than Hitler. But americans will be considered the proper Evil. ‘Cause during the Nazism there also was oppositors, fighters, Hitler’s life attacker.
U are the guilty one. Most of the people can’t know what’s going on.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Hopefully the SEALS are not that stupid….
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:55 pm
They wouldn’t know they were going to die. It’s a set up.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Tormenting another party into battle sounds like what Americans did to the Japanese back in the 1940’s. We may not be cutting off supplies to encourage war, but tormenting another with dishonest and deceitful acts and putting another whole civilazation at risk is definately another method to acquire whatever agendas the Bushy-Dick Administration happens to be up to.
August 4th, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Now now, about 3 x-mas’ ago people were buying champagne because Fitzgerald apparently had sealed-indictments against all the top administration officials including George. They couldn’t remove Fitz from the case and he wasn’t bumped off, and then nothing happened. He’d know Exactly why but I read it would have caused such a constitutional crisis that the rulebooks would go out the window and anything, like a lurch into a diversionary war with Iran, massive bird-flu quarantines etc. could happen, and it’s ‘known’ they have their finger on the trigger to pull one of these if they see trouble coming. This story sounds like a sly advertisement of what’s possible, not taking into account the treason thing-why worry at this point. If true and considering whatever Fitz might have Prevented by following through, I think it’s pretty important to bring that individual back into the limelight to answer some questions.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:53 pm
As a witness to our collapsing economy and the forces of EVIL in this world, the Word of God shows that a “love of money” has been the cause for all sorts of evil. It doesn’t surprise many to see greed being the underlying motive for those that want to turn our world into a one world government and use it for tyranny:
Part of 1 Timothy 6:10-”For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil”.
Better yet, the prophecies in the Bible are being fufilled even as we speak. Creation sings of the glories of God. God is more concerned about man destroying this earth with sin more than anything else. Man has ruined a perfect creation. God gave us free will to let us choose if we would follow God or follow ourselves. God never forces himself on anyone.
We are a scarred creation, we deserve eternal condemnation for breaking God’s law. God says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. In essence, His glory is perfection, and failing just one of his commandments means we fall short. He is a just and Holy God, and because of his Holy nature, he must punish us for our shortcomings. The punishment for mankind sinning is eternal separation from God when we die physically.
God loves us so much that he made a way for you and me to be reconciled to Him. John 3:16 “For God so loved the world that he gave his only Begotten Son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life”. God sent Jesus as a sacrifice on our behalf to pay the penalty of our sins fully-past, present, future. God says that “Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father but through Him”. Jesus took your penalty so you dont have to face eternal condemnation.
All you need to do is repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. It is a gift from God to you, all need to do is recieve it! God proves himself time and time again. Test God out! For all that truly and humbly seek Him, He will reveal himself to you! If you are skeptical of God or the Bible, do some investigation and read the Bible! See for yourself if the claims in there are true.
I despise the hypocrisy of today’s Christians, who claim they know God, but by their actions deny him. Anyone can claim they are a Christian but that doesn’t necessarily mean they are one. God teaches us in his word that we will discern TRUE followers of God by their fruits. The inquisitions for example were not done to glorify God even though they claim it did. God strickly forbids murder, and these “Christians” were engaging in it. The condescending/judgemental attitudes of Christians today is sad. We are told by God to love EVERYONE regardless if they are our enemies or friends.
Satan and his evil spirits are alive and well, deceiving many today in this world. Many are blinded to the evils as our culture slowly conditions us to accept immorality. The Word of God shows us that terrible times are coming, filled with persecution, tyranny, and evil.
This Nation America is a slave to our establishment. But we are all a slave to sin. I earnestly ask that you consider what I’ve said. God bless America.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:42 am
All and everyone and anyone protecting these criminals are either A. Criminals themselves. B. Traitors. C. Unwitting Dupes. I think it would have to be A or B. Don’t tell me these people don’t know they are protecting criminals? If they don’t they have to be so brain dead or so brain washed that calling them retarded would be an understatement.
Hmmmm what to do with traitors? What does history and the constitution say?
Looks like we got our work cut out for us. Just waking people up is not going to help us if no one is willing to take the neccissary measures to arrest these criminal serial killers. I guess if all their minions and the military just quit following orders. That would be an option also.
To all Govt emplyees I for one will have your back if you should choose to turn on your masters and arrest them. I think we should make a public declaration as Americans to give amnesty to anyone who arrest these scum traitors.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I SAY WE MAKE A PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENT TO ALL GOV’T OFFICIALS THAT AS AMERICAN’S WE WILL GRANT AMNESTY TO ALL AND ANYONE WHO ARREST THESE CRIMINALS. I think most of the people who protect these criminals are more worried about being complicit. So they are more afraid of the people then Cheney, Bush and the rest of the elite.
So if we offered them AMNESTY I wonder if we would see arrest all over the place?
HMMMMMMM something to think about.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:03 am
I think Alex Jones and the rest of the TRUTH MOVEMENT and all the real political patriots should offer amnesty to those working in the gov’t suporting these traitors throughout AMNESTY “IF” they arrest these criminal scum. They have to be part of the arrest even if hundreds stand up and arrest these criminals they are all to be given amnesty when the trials are held.
I think if we do this we might see alot of arrest. We should offer AMNESTY to anyone who turns away from their evil deeds such as protecting these criminal traitors.
This way they won’t fear what we will do to them and look after their own skin and we get what we want out of the deal. We get our country back and rid the planet of these elitest scum.
Anyone got any thoughts on this. I think it is a great idea. Build a website called New World Order amnesty.com or something. A place where the elitest minions can sign up and post their repentant actions against the NWO. Then when the trials begin they will rest assured even tho they may have went astray they can rest easy knowing themselves and their families will be alright.
I am sure if we put something like this together we will see arrest or other actions taken against these elitest scum.
I honestly believe alot of these people are going along with the NWO plans only in fear of retaliation from the American people.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:13 am
FEAR is the DRIVING force the elites use against their MINIONS to keep them on track and under control.
If we remove this threat by offering them AMNESTY we could see a OVERTHROW almost over night. ANYONE got any ideas? Does anyone think this is plausible?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
So god is perfect, then condems his creation for not also being perfectly perfect? And this says God loves us how? And to be punished for a simple lack of knowledge, or doubt, regarding Jesus also seems like an un-loving interpretation of God to me.
Does mearly asking such a question make me a sinner?