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Too Many (Other) People
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William Norman Grigg
LewRockwell.com
July 20, 2009
As a left-leaning Rutgers law professor in the early 1970s, Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought that the Roe v. Wade abortion decision was the product of "concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations we don’t want too many of," she recalled in a recent New York Times Magazine interview.
Her expectation was that the purported right to abortion created in Roe "was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion. Which some people felt would risk coercing women into having abortions when they didn’t really want them."
Ginsburg doesn’t specify which parts of the human population "we" should cull, or how the creation of an abortion "right" would necessarily be a prelude to creation of a system in which abortion would be required in some circumstances. She told the Times that the question was effectively rendered moot by the Supreme Court’s Harris v. McRae decision, which upheld a ban on Medicaid funding of abortion. That decision, handed down in 1980, indicated that her "perception" of the issue "had been altogether wrong,” Ginsburg concludes.
But this means that there was an interval of roughly seven years during which Ginsburg, a well-informed and influential academic, believed that America was creating a eugenicist system in which abortion would help reduce "undesirable" populations – however those populations would be defined. This was what Roe had wrought, Ginsburg believed for several years, and if she ever experienced misgivings about it, she managed to keep them private.
Another question worth examining is this: Where did Ginsburg – a rising star in academe long before being tapped to fill the Rosa Klebb seat on the Supreme Court – get the impression that American policy-making elites were discussing the use of welfare subsidies to bring about the attrition of "undesirable" populations?
If I may be permitted a modest venture in speculation, I’d suggest that Ginsburg, sometime in the 1960s or 1970s, became at least superficially acquainted with the writings of John Holdren or of like-minded people in the most militant branch of the population control movement.
In 1977, Mr. Holdren was a young academic who helped anti-natalist guru Paul Ehrlich and his wife Anne write an arrestingly horrible book entitled Ecoscience: Population, Resources, Environment. Today, Holdren is Barack Obama’s "Science Czar," in which capacity he counsels the president regarding the role of science in public policy. This relationship has a certain Strangelovian undercurrent, given Holdren’s enthusiasm for eugenicist and totalitarian methods of population "management."
In a passage that reads eerily like the direct counterpoint to Ginsburg’s musings about the reduction of undesirable populations, Holdren and the Ehrlichs wrote:
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
The book offers similarly casual endorsements of "involuntary" and "coercive" fertility control," including the mandatory implantation of a Norplant-style capsule that "might be removable, with official permission, for a limited number of births."
The authors endorse the creation of "a Planetary regime" in charge of regulating all human economic activity and interactions with the environment and the "power to enforce the agreed limits" on human population growth through whatever means might be necessary – including compelled abortion, involuntary individual sterilization, or even mass involuntary sterilization through the infiltration of sterilizing agents into public water supplies.
That last deranged suggestion appears in several of Paul Ehrlich’s other books, including his (if you will excuse the expression) seminal 1967 alarmist tract The Population Bomb.
As someone who shared a full authorial credit on the book, Holdren bears full responsibility for the content of Ecoscience. His militantly anti-natalist views are easily as repulsive as anything promoted by white supremacist groups, albeit all the more dangerous for being more inclusive in their misanthropy. His writings would have been uncovered in the routine vetting process following his nomination, but they never came up during his confirmation hearing.
What is genuinely unsettling, however, is this: The totalitarian prescriptions offered in Ecoscience were squarely in the mainstream of the Stygian sewer called the population control movement.
In 1967, sociologist, demographer, and population control heavyweight Kingsley Davis published an essay in Science magazine observing that "the social structure and economy must be changed before a deliberate reduction in the birthrate can be achieved" in the West. He urged governments to subsidize voluntary abortion and sterilization and restructure their tax systems to discourage both marriage and childbirth.
Davis’s recommendations apparently inspired Frederick Jaffe, Vice President of Planned Parenthood, when he composed a 1969 memorandum intended for use as a template for anti-natalist efforts.
Jaffe’s memorandum, a version of which was published in the October 1970 issue of Family Planning Perspectives, organized recommended social policies under four headings: "Social Constraints," "Economic Deterrents/Incentives," "Social Controls," and "Housing Policies."
Like Paul Ehrlich, Jaffe suggested the placement of "fertility control agents in [the] water supply"; this recommendation was filed, oddly enough, under "Social Constraints." "Social Controls," on the other hand, included such measures as "compulsory abortion of all out-of-wedlock pregnancies," "compulsory sterilization of all who have two children except for a few who would be allowed three," and the issuance of "stock certificate-type permits for children." (Nearly every radical population control system is built around the idea of a government-issued “permit” or “license” to have children.)
These totalitarian measures were widely and unabashedly promoted in the literature of the population control movement at precisely the time that the Roe decision was (if, once again, you’ll excuse the expression) gestating in the court system.
"How can we reduce reproduction?" wrote Garrett Hardin in a 1970 Science magazine article entitled "Parenthood: Right or Privilege?" "Persuasion must be tried first…. Mild coercion may soon be accepted – for example, tax rewards for reproductive non-proliferation. But in the long run, a purely voluntary system selects for its own failure: noncooperators out-breed cooperators. So what restraints shall we employ? A policeman under every bed? Jail sentences? Compulsory abortion? Infanticide?… Memories of Nazi Germany rise and obscure our vision."
Oh, those dreadful Nazis: If only they hadn’t given totalitarian eugenics such a bad name….
Hardin was one of many anti-natalist luminaries – the list included Kingsley Davis, Margaret Mead, Paul Ehrlich, and sundry Planned Parenthood leaders – who endorsed the 1971 manifesto The Case for Compulsory Birth Control by Edgar R. Chasteen. That book offered one-stop shopping for policy-makers seeking draconian population management methods.
Chasteen was emphatic on two points: First, ruling elites had to indoctrinate the public into accepting the idea that "parenthood [is] a privilege extended by society, rather than a right"; and second, that in the interests of public relations, supporters of that totalitarian perspective needed to settle on "a name other than compulsory birth control."
Essentially the same program was endorsed by Dr. Norman Myers, an adviser to the World Bank and various UN agencies, in his peculiar 1990 volume The Gaia Atlas of Future Worlds.
“Government population-control policies using strong economic and social incentives have been effective in China and Singapore,” wrote Myers, who commended China in particular for using “strong social pressure” to control its population. Myers didn’t to dwell on the fact that the Chinese government employs severe punishments – prison time, destruction of homes, retaliation against family members and co-workers – for women who have “unauthorized” children.
Myers suggested a variation on the same concept behind the “cap-and-trade” carbon credit system employing government-issued birth permits. Under his plan, couples would “be issued with a warrant entitling them to have a single child…. This warrant might even carry commercial value, allowing individuals to decide not to have children at all and to sell their entitlements to others wanting larger families.”
Arguably the most astonishing variant on this approach was proposed in 1994, just prior to the UN’s International Conference on Population and Development in Cairo, Egypt.
In a book entitled Too Many People, Sir Roy Calne, a noted British physician, proposed a universal minimum childbearing age of 25, and a strict two-child quota. Those seeking the government-dispensed “privilege” of having children would have to pass a state-mandated parenting class and receive the appropriate “reproduction license.” Those who violate those restrictions would lose their children and face Chinese-style economic sanctions and criminal punishments.
Calne also suggested the development of an engineered sterility pathogen – he called it the “O virus” – that could be administered to women world-wide as a vaccine.
These malignant proposals are not just flatulent thought-bubbles blown in languid speculation by fringe eccentrics in the academic realm: With the exception – as far as we know – of mass involuntary sterilization through covert chemical or biological warfare, every method of coercive population control described above has been implemented somewhere with the material aid of the United Nations and its affiliates, and the practical support of organizations such as Planned Parenthood and Marie Stopes International.
Every argument on behalf of state-imposed population control rejects the concept of individual self-ownership and assumes that human lives – individually and in the aggregate – are a resource to be managed by society’s supervisors on behalf of the "common good." And, as Ruth Bader Ginsburg correctly intuited in 1973, the Roe vs. Wade decision was a triumph, albeit an incomplete one, for the cause of eugenicist population control.
Although it was swaddled in the language of individual empowerment, the Roe decision was a dramatic victory for collectivism: It enshrined, in what our rulers are pleased to call the "law," the assumption that a human individual is a "person" only when that status is conferred by the government.
While Harry Blackmun’s opinion in Roe pointedly avoided the question of when "personhood" begins, it emphatically made it clear that, for purposes of "law," that the term doesn’t apply to any human individual in his or her pre-natal stage of development. This, not the liberty to procure an abortion, is the real gravamen, or central legal finding, in the Roe decision: It put the government in charge of defining who is, and isn’t a person.
As judges like to say, the matter of reducing “undesirable” populations is reaching “ripeness” now. Barack Obama’s administration is eagerly expanding the government-dependent population and preparing to impose centralized “universal” health care on our society. And while all of this is going on, John Holdren, unabashed advocate of totalitarian population control, is in a position to whisper unthinkable thoughts into Obama’s ear.
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July 20th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Big boom in sky. Long rumble in ground. 2 stay standing. 25 fall down.
Two and a quarter moons.
David Stratton Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Pardon?
Luke Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
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godbluff Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:44 am
It is nice to know that the douche bag that wrote The Gaia Atlas of Future Worlds. Must feel great His book is selling for 62 cents on amazon; How apropos.
I would love to squeeze these little ivy league f---ers necks.
joesixpack31 Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pm
GODBLUFF says: “I would love to squeeze these little ivy league f---ers necks.”
DITTOS.
PS…Have you noticed how they all have “pencil” shaped heads.
Hopllyte Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Anyway you look at it…People are cattle or Sheeple that have overgrazed the field they live in…”BECAUSE EVERY HUMAN LIFE IS SPECIAL”. The grass will no longer grow..and you cannot water it enought to sustain it and the nutrients will not support it…the only solution…GET RID OF EXCESS CATTLE. CATTLE cannot feed themsleves…the term livestock is more accurate. They depend soley on somebody else to grow and pick their food, to bake thier bread, someone else to kill and butcher their meat. Soon they will have nothing to worry about…while their eyes remain dazzled by what ever “circus” they enjoy…the rug will be pulled from thier feet and will stand in line like the rest of the cattle awaiting to be slaughtered. Only sheep and Cattle stand in line like so awaiting to be slaughtered. Even pigs will run and squieel until thier throats are cut and they hang squirming for life as it ebbs to a drip and they hang lifeless…Every other animal will fight tooth and nail when it smells death….all but livestock. It is the way of life. Our creators law…Our mother Earths law…MANS LAWS WILL BE USURPED AND THE ALPHA HUMAN WILL SURVIVE.
If any of you pussies out there have a problem with this…there is an experiment you can try to prove it…
Take a small cup fill it with potting soil(represents the Earth), then take a HANDFUL of seeds any will do (represents HUMANS) and plant them….and water accordingly and see how many seeds grow to full term. If you dont like the results…are argue with the creator.
molon labe Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Hey Hopllyte, I agree with you that not EVERY human life is special. Why don’t you become a part of the solution and go choke to death on a knife. You got to lead by example man. Go ahead and do your self in. If everyone else that agrees does this as well then we will be rid of a lot of these “excess cattle”. You are not God and you are not good enough to decide who deserves life and death. You are not God, your no different or better than anyone else in the world. You are just one of the “cattle”. You are not a revolutionary. I don’t see your ass out there trying to rid the world of any evils. You are not out there fighting the tyrants of this world. You think you are so much better than anyone else but you do the same things as every human. Hell if you are so much more evolved than the average person than what the f--- are you doing on here blogging about how dumb other people are. Take your ass out into the wilderness and live. The fact that you have access to the internet shows that you are just as much of a consumer as everyone else and that you are just a sheep as well. We are all guilty of it. Every one of us that posts on here. We are all the reason why things are the way they are. Get over it, if you think the population needs to be reduced then start the trend and kill your self f--- hole. You are no better than anyone else. We are all human beings and we all deserve the right to life no matter how we choose to live it. We are all in the same boat and are all facing the same enemies. f--- race, religion, social status, opinion, f--- all of it. The only hope that we have to save humanity is for nazi assholes like you to heed your own advice and kill yourselves and everyone else to work together and stop fighting with each other. We are all our only hope. So in short, f--- YOU.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
The way to save lives is to identify eugenics promoters as conspirators in MURDER and prosecute them and eliminate them.
Kim American Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Hopllyte.
That is twisted.
But, a lot of times People despise, in others, what they Hate most about theirselves.
Quit being a Sheeple and going along to get along.
1% – Super Freak Elite.
99% – Slaves.
Do the Math.
HanksExfed Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:28 am
The whole idea of the “Elites” living like kings and queens and the rest of us getting culled is lame; and pisses me of and all.
However, Sustaining this system of industry and rapid development is just not possible.
How many?! Huh? How many? 9 billion, 12billion, 25billion? When would you say, OK hold on a moment; its getting a bit crowded. Well IMO that number is 3 billion; based on several years of research. 3 billion would not require a total overhaul of our industrialized system. the popoulation of the earth in 1964 was 3 billion; 42 years later we have 6 billion on the brink of 7 billion people. Do the math.
Im not saying how to do it; I am just saying I do not totally disagree with those who try.
Community Service Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:33 am
Then, let’s begin your work with your family, immediate and extended. You can watch them all die, one by one. And then your friends. Let them all die, so that you have some elbow room.
Get real.
Well, IMO you’ve wasted several years of research to come to a conclusion that’s no better than picking a number out of hat.
AreYouKiddingME? Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:00 am
I sure wish people would actually DO the research before just spouting off stuff they HEARD.
People talk about 6 billion people being a problem for the earth and it resources, however they fail to understand that the earth can SUSTAIN FAR more people than 6 billion.
We use I believe less than ONE THIRD of the earth with over 6 billion people so there is PLENTY of room for more.
now as for the RESOURCES, well there are plenty of those as well, however, with the more people you would just have to rotate crops and let GODS earth (NOT your NEW AGE, “mother natures earth”) will revitalize itself as GOD made it to do, and there will be PLENTY of space and resources to go around.
There is also the FACT of people only living so long then they die, so contrary to popular belief, chances of being over populated wold probably NOT happen ever.
Many people look at third world countries as their example and say SEE, look at how they cannot sustain themselves. But of course they again are IGNORANT of WHY these countries are so poor. They do not know or care to know that the SAME ELITE who are wanting so desperately to KILL most of the populations are the ones RESPONSIBLE for the status of these 3rd world situations.
They have stolen their resources, waged WAR on them and or BANKRUPTED them with the IMF and other ELITE programs. Thus keeping them in a 3rd world status. They then USE these countries as the POSTER CHILDREN to the rest of world to scare them into SUBMISSION.
The ENTIRE, “over population and sustainability” GARBAGE is just that GARBAGE. The elite have convinced their mindless IDIOTS like Hopllyte and many others that humans are the problem and that too many humans are even more of a problem, and because most of the people are MINDLESS idiots like Hopllyte, it does not take long for WRONG information to spread.
You all can believe what ever garbage you want but it will NOT change the TRUTH of what is REALLY going on in this world.
This I can assure you all, you can eliminate 99% of the population and that would NOT change the fate of this earth, you can leave 99% of the population in tact and the fate will NOT change because GOD who created it has already decided what its fate is, the only question left to be answered is what will be the fate of those who LIVE IN IT and those who HAVE lived in it.
Now I know that many of you hate “religion, GOD, and anything Bible related”, but that too does not matter because IGNORANCE and DENIAL will not save or fix anything.
As for Ginsberg, well she is just an UGLY and useful IDIOT who is doing the will of her masters, it appears she became brainwashed and was a useful tool for the real EVIL behind the scenes, so they rewarded her with a bigger job.
The good news is that she looks frail and on her last legs, so soon enough she will be out of the way an unable to have her SADISTIC ruling hurts anymore people.
Now granted THEY will replace her with even more SADISTIC people like the nut job they have as a nominee right now but the fact that the PEOPLE of this world are becoming more and more evil, well it should be of no surprise that even EVILER people will rule them.
We WILL get the government we deserve. So, until people start looking at THEMSELVES and decide to change their own EVIL and CORRUPT ways, the people will continue to ELECT and allow EVIL and CORRUPT people to rule them.
When the people LIE, CHEAT, STEAL and KILL at every opportunity, then they over look it when their government is caught doing it, especially when they know that they are just as CORRUPT.
The only thing they cry about is when the corruption hits THEM. But as long as it is effecting SOMEONE ELSE, they do not mind.
So my question to EVERYONE on this board is. WHO have YOU cheated, lied to (a “WHITE lie”, is still a LIE), stolen from, taken advantage of or even killed in the last month?
Oh and what is even funnier is that MOST of you will read the above paragraph and then LIE TO YOURSELF, to convince yourself you are a “GOOD PERSON”. You will justify your lies, cheating, stealing etc, and so the EVIL will continue.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:01 am
God said: “go forth and multiply”. The NWO says: ” go forth and divide”. I say stop the NWO!
Doc Freedom Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:31 am
nothing special ’bout gang bangers and low life mo fo’s that would take you and yours
hsssssssssssssssssss Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:13 am
harharhar
July 20th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
It will be a good day when Ginsburg and Holdren are barking in hell with their colleagues– Margaret Sanger and Adolf Hitler–these are the real “useless eaters”…they are wasting my oxygen.
PEBBLY-POO Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Hell yes…
What’s the quickest way to throttle them s----hogs?
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:03 am
We are overpopulated by eugenicists if we have but 1!
July 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Notice how many Ashkinaz-is are in “Power” and that they all have a similar motto. Reduction of the population. I personally can’t wait to see them “judged” by there works. The lord gave us freewill. Look what they did with theres.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
The more power they get. The more of their teeth they will show.
Great job at exposing these racist eugenics magicians who masquerade as peace loving christians.
She reminds me of the pigs in Animal Farm!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Need a new law . . . how to impeach a Supreme Court Justices and non conforming illegal alien pompous, arrogant communist democratic president.
Kayhla Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Lol the last thing we need is more laws… those asshats don’t obey them anyways.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
what exactly is an asshat?
Mrs. Garber Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Someone who has their head up their ass. Thus: Asshat.
You know, like Obama, Bernanke, Paulson, Kash n Carry, Sebelius, Napolitano, the Bush and Clinton Crime Syndicate and all those idiots at CFR and Trilateral Commission.
Scotty Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 2:09 am
No way to impeach them in their own controlled system. Have to take back the republic and replace all of the Judas’. Perhaps a good use for those damn fema camps.
We need to tell the owner’s of the Fed Res to F*&k Off and just not recognize the BS Natl. Debt. Establish an asset based currency. Will it ever happen? Are we capable of doing this? Or do we just become another Argentina wondering what the hell happened to us after everything is lost. Waking sheeple up is the most crucial and important step. Maybe then and organized attack can be launched. Until then, it’s pointless to tell everyone to get their guns and fight.
If nothing else, a last stand at the doorsteps of our houses before we allow them to corral us in pens.
Godzilla Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am
I wonder what Clarence Thomas (the black supreme justice) thinks of Ginsburgs percieved rational for Roe v. Wade, is he down with the eugenics program? Probably….as twisted as that is to get your head around.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Where the hell is my post, I just posted and its not here. Am I the only one with some thing to say that isn’t politically correct?
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
not on this site. lol. dont refresh the page to see your own post.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
oops . . . there it is ;I
July 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
You know what’s always amazed me is that people like
Ginsburg unashamedly believe that their “final solutions”
of mass-killing and sterilization are MORAL and RIGHT.
THIS kind of incorrigible psychopaths MAKE UP THE NWO.
How do you account for it, other than these smiling serial
killers REALLY ARE OWNED AND OPERATED BY THE
DEVIL HIMSELF? They have NO NATURAL HUMAN DECENCY,
only insatiable BLOOD-LUST for more and more DEATH:
“as BRUTE BEASTS, born to be caught and killed.”
unohoo Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
too much education can do that to anyone, take a closer look at hillery and Odumula
July 20th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Good God this lady looks like she is from the bottom of the gene pool. I think she is talking about herself when she talks about” other” people. Some one should have told her parents which I’m sure are brother and sister they should not be f---ing.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
are you brain dead man?
a person Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
that’s funny… I’ve come to realize recently that I’ve been telling my kids to wait to have sex until you’re married and to go to college and all of that, but I’m starting to think I want them to get pregnant right away and have bunches of kids before they get involuntarily sterilized. I want them to have 5 or 10 kids each. Screw them and their sterilization programs.
Mrs. Garber Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
In my eighty plus years on earth I have known more than one brother and sister team to produce little Ginsburgs. And Janet Renos and Napolitanos. It is just bad form and extremely gauche to impregnate your own sister.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Is is just me or does Ruth Ginsberg look like Josef Goebbels?
TEN FOOT POLE Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
You noticed that too, eh?
She’s his illegitimate daughter he fathered
by ol’ Adolf’s dog Schlitzie.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
July 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Forced abortions is wrong. Legal abortions based on a woman’s decision to abort is the law and always will be. If men were the ones giving birth, I would bet you a million dollars abortion clinics would be everywhere. There would even be drive through abortions. Overpopulation will become a problem in the future. This is just plain common sense. A one child policy will be put into effect eventually (maybe in 50 years). The population doubles every 40-50 years. simply put, we cannot go on forever like this. Technological unemployment is coming also which means that many will be without work. Natural Population reduction will become a necessity. I am not saying illegal and criminal population reduction. AJ and his followers are short sighted and religious. They see everything in the now and they see everything through god colored glasses. You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks.
babarishka Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I totally agree with you. Controlling population via dictatorial and violent means is NOT the answer, but 6 1/2 billion people is alot of friggin people. Maybe not next year or even in 20 years, but eventually, if we continue on this path, overpopulation will become an indisputable problem. If we don’t encourage people to look at the big picture and the long-term picture, there will be a problem down the road. I believe the term is die-off. The elites won’t have to do a single thing to effect die-off, as it will happen naturally. Narrow-minded religious thinking will not help matters.
Speaking of the short-sighted, narrow-minded religious people you mention, I wouldn’t accuse them of being inbred. To be sure, a few are racist, homophobic and misogynistic. Certainly, most can’t think an original moral thought but need a 2000 year old book to tell them how to think.
Actually, that’s not entirely true. They allow women to preach (which is forbidden in the New Testament), they don’t stone their children to death due to insolence (which is advocated in the Old Testament) and they don’t advocate slavery (which was condoned in both testaments). What the hell are they thinking then?
joe Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
haha. Ya you’re argument is right and wrong. While I agree overpopulation has the potential to become a problem you guys are acting as if it’s almost already overpopulated. The world is a big place. We can go to the sky and the water too. New technology can assist a big crowd–it doesn’t have to depopulate! Stretch your arms out. Can you fully extend your elbows or are there people in the way? What’s the point of this if what Alex says is true the water and food and air is already sterilizing us. If it’s already happening what difference does one old jewish lady make?
babariska Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
The fact that she’s jewish is worth mentioning?
Well, the viewpoint that Abortions are OK and I are making is that overpopulation could be a problem in the future and should be taken seriously; also that it should not be dealt with in inhumane ways and that religion, any religion, narrows the debate. For that matter, how many pregnancies never come to term due to stillbirths and miscarriages? Why doesn’t god stop those events?
Re: the elites’ agenda to cull the herd, some certainly would argue that induced abortions are a part of this agenda. Whether Roe vs. Wade was orchestrated by the power elite or fits into their plans by accident I honestly couldn’t say.
On an inidividual basis however, I believe in the mother’s right to choose. I do not believe the state has that right – one way or the other.
joe Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Well the truth is that she’s a jewish woman. Would it be better if we could NOT speak the truth? I don’t care that she’s jewish. I have a weird sense of humor that you probably can’t understand.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
Mrs. Garber Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
jimmy cunningham. Wasn’t I your sunday school teacher? If this world was Satan’s then Jesus Christ wouldn’t matter one way or the other would he?
You go sit in the corner and read your New Testament for a while. Then go read Paine’s; The Age of Reason. Stop believing that Jewish Bible so much and act like you are what you claimed to be- Saved. Saved isn’t possible if you are under Satan’s control.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 4:57 am
Man, you christians are so funny. Mrs. Garber, I am not a christian, but I know the bible. Jesus believed in the “old” testament (of course their was no ‘new” testament at the time) – he told his disciples to obey the law and said that their righteousness must be greater than the pharisees. Of course we know that Jesus was jewish – he attended passover didn’t he? There was no christianity at the time (not until Constantine declared it the national religion of Rome 300 years after the fact). Your religion was considered to be simply another jewish sect.
Also, if satan was not ruler of the world, how could he offer Jesus all of the kingdoms of the world?
There are how many gazillion denominations? You can’t even agree amongst yourselves, so why should anyone else take you seriously and listen to your rantings?
Or am I misreading this – are you just another racist? Racist/Christian?
babarishka Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Well, I hate racism towards any group and there are a few here who do fit the description. Although I think that religion is a tool of the elite used to divide and conquer, I wish religious people no ill will even though a few here have reminded me that I’m going to be tortured in flames for eternity.
As for having a sense of humor, I do have one: check out my reply to Stop the Smokers on the “People Working for Free During Economic Crises” forum.
pro freedom Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
You all a wrong. The more a country becomes technologically advanced, the less children are produced. If the third world countries were allowed to advance they as well would have less children. Wake up. Killing is wrong! especially when it is a helpless baby! I don’t see any babys with roadside bombs or ak 47’s to your head, or threatening your safetey. Why the hate for something so innocent??
babarishka Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I agree with you re: 3rd world countries. I don’t hate babies for crying out loud. And again, what about stillbirths and miscarriages? Don’t rail at me, rail at your god.
thedon Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
because the evil in the world Hates innocents. They get there power by killing and making you believe its good.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:51 am
Well, then god must get its rocks off by causing/allowing stillbirths and miscarriages.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
ummmm
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
babarishka Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Well, I never said Christians were inbred or hicks. As stated above, some Christians are indeed racist, homophobic and misogynistic.
Why doesn’t god stop those events indeed. I see, it’s not god fault, it’s satan. So why doesn’t god stop satan? Nevermind, you have the answers and I’m ignorant.
As for abortion, I never stated that I was for it, only that I believe a woman has a right to choose and not the state.
As for wanting to “slap the teeth out of” Ok’s head, I would think that SHE would be the one who needs to forgive you, oh loving Christian, as you wished violence up her – not god.
Kim American Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
1% – Super Freak Elite
99% – Slaves
Do the Math.
If good People were not exercising “population control” these Freaks would have already been replaced!
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
We need to abort “people” who want to abort.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Forced ab ortio ns is wrong. Legal abo rtio ns based on a woman’s decision to ab ort is the law and always will be. If men were the ones giving birth, I would bet you a million dollars abo rtion clinics would be everywhere. There would even be drive through abo rtions. Ov erpop ulation will become a problem in the future. This is just plain common sense. A one ch ild policy will be put into effect eventually (maybe in 50 years). The popu lation doubles every 40-50 years. simply put, we cannot go on forever like this. Techno logical unemp loyment is coming also which means that many will be without work. Natural Popu lation reduct ion will become a necessity. I am not saying ille gal and cri minal popu lation redu ction. A J and his foll owers are sho rt sig hted and relig ious. They see everything in the now and they see everything through g o d colored glasses. You guys are inb red rac ist hom oph obic miso gyni stic hic ks.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
duhhhh
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
For ced ab ortio ns is wro ng. Legal abo rtio ns based on a wo man’s dec ision to ab ort is the la w and always will be. If men were the ones giving birth, I would bet you a million dollars abo rtion cli nics would be every where. There would even be drive through abo rtions. Ov erpop ulation will become a problem in the future. This is just plain co mmon sense. A one ch ild policy will be put into effect even tually (maybe in 50 ye ars). The popu lation dou bles every 4 0-5 0 ye ars. sim ply put, we can not go on for ever like this. Techno logical unemp loyment is com ing also which me ans that many will be without work. Nat ural Popu lation reduct ion will become a nece ssity. I am not sa ying ille gal and cri minal popu lation redu ction. A J and his foll owers are sho rt sig hted and relig ious. They see eve rything in the now and they see everyt hing through g o d colo red gla sses. You g uys are inb red rac ist hom oph obic miso gyni stic hic ks.
Lol Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Ar e yo u stu pid? wh y yo u wri te th at way?
jon Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Tehy tinhk the grvenoment syp’s mhncahie cna’t raed non wrods.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
its so he can multi post the same s--- eating stst
TruhbeTold Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Thinks his stupid ass is getting censored?? I dont need to ask if he is stupid it is blatantly obvious.
Inbred Hick Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
truth be told, you guys are all uneducated right wing inbred hicks. Everything I spoke about is a real problem. Hicks like you cannot see the big picture. Always thinking in the present with no thought for consequences of the future. Always thinking along religious lines because you have been indoctrinated from the cradle. I dare you to come and debate me. I bet 1000$ I would crush you like the stupid inbred child you are. I bet you flip burgers for a living. I bet you do not even understand you own beliefs. You just repeat what you are told.
Inbred Hick Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
truth be told, you guys are all uned ucated ri ght w ing inbr ed h icks. Everything I spoke about is a real problem. Hic ks like you cannot see the big picture. Always thinking in the present with no thought for consequences of the future. Always thinking along reli gious lines because you have been indo ctrinat ed from the cr adle. I dare you to come and deb ate me. I bet 1000$ I would crush you like the stu pid inbr ed ch ild you are. I bet you flip burgers for a living. I bet you do not even understand your own beliefs. You just repeat what you are told.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
you are the one whos been indoctrinated with NWO rhetoric. all the problems we have today are because of short sighted people who spout the verbal detritus you speak here. if we lived properly the planet could sustain an order of magnitude of 3 times what it does now. living properly is every family has its own land and does its own farming which would require 3 acres for a family of 5.
94,912,000,000 acres of dry land on earth
right now at a world pop. of 6,000,000,000, that leaves 15.8 acres per individual. even if only one third of that is inhabitable, thats still over 5 acres per person. it doesn’t even take an acre to support one person when properly farmed. based on this the worlds population could expand at least 3 times and not even come close to overtaxing the planet. keep eating that NWO rhetoric buddy. your the sheep. baaaaaaaal.
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
Reply
Jim the Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Your reasoning is SOOOOOOOOO wron g and fa llacious.
1) Not all the land is habitable.
2) Much of the land is wild and has biospheres that should not be touched.
3) Population doubles every 40-50 years therefore your population numbers are meaningless.
4) You talk out of your a s s. You use the most stu pid of arguments. I have seen this argument many times and it is always used by the ill informed.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
asshat
you are the one whos been indoctrinated with NWO rhetoric. all the problems we have today are because of short sighted people who spout the verbal detritus you speak here. if we lived properly the planet could sustain an order of magnitude of 3 times what it does now. living properly is every family has its own land and does its own farming which would require 3 acres for a family of 5.
94,912,000,000 acres of dry land on earth
right now at a world pop. of 6,000,000,000, that leaves 15.8 acres per individual. even if only one third of that is inhabitable, thats still over 5 acres per person. it doesn’t even take an acre to support one person when properly farmed. based on this the worlds population could expand at least 3 times and not even come close to overtaxing the planet. keep eating that NWO rhetoric buddy. your the sheep. baaaaaaaal.
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
Reply
Jim the Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Your reasoning is SOOOOOOOOO wrong and fallacious.
1) Not all the land is habitable.
2) Much of the land is wild and has biospheres that should not be touched.
3) Population doubles every 40-50 years therefore your population numbers are meaningless.
4) You talk out of your ass. You use the most stupid of arguments. I have seen this argument many times and it is always used by the ill informed.
Jim the Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Your reasoning is SOOOOOOOOO wr ong and fal laci ous.
1) Not all the lan d is ha bita ble.
2) Much of the la nd is wild and has bi o sph eres that should not be touched.
3) Population doubles every 40-50 years therefore your population numbers are meaningless.
4) You talk out of your b-u-t-t. You use the most stu pid of argu ments. I have seen this argu ment many times and it is always used by the i l l info rmed.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
moron
why doesn’t god stop those events? if you weren’t so busy denouncing something you don’t even begin to understand you would know Satan is the god of this system of things and this world was handed unto Satan for this period of time.
which god was it you were talking about anyway?
“You guys are inbred racist homophobic misogynistic hicks”-Abortions are OK. ,,,,, i am a white Irish/Scottish/American Indian from Boston. i dont think im inbred. nor am i a hick. nor do you begin to understand the depth and complexity of the prophecy in the scriptures.
people like you were prophesied.
“abortions are o.k.” what a moron. i wouldn’t mind slapping the teeth out of your head. want some chickletts?? how about partial birth abortions. death is death, stupid.
if you read up on the NWO agenda you would see plainly that the ideas you have expressed here are the very ideas that they want normalized. you are a direct product of NWO social mindset engineering.
but, a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest. some day you will learn the truth and you wont have a choice about it. i cant wait for that day. until then may i be forgiven for being lesser than i should.
Jim the Uneducated Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Religious zealots like you are all alike. You are also a violent and vile individual for threatening violence against me. You want to try to slap those teeth out? It would be my pleasure. I have more money than I can spend so give me a place to meet up with you and I will be there even if I have to take a plane. You will be surprised when you meet me and I will be the one slapping sense into your dull uneducated religious bean you call a mind. Your mom should have chosen to have you aborted because vile and moronic people like you should not exist.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
Jim, You atheistic zealot, my conntact info is listed below. One condition, I get to video the event and I own the rights.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:48 pm
small minds
this guy is the epitome of retardation. i make the statement that i would like to slap the teeth out of his head, and he reacts in this fashion. any rational thinking adult would realize i said i would like to, not that im going to. this is a reactive personality type. this is dangerous. this person seems to think they are above the rest of us and that money makes him better than those with out money. this is the worst type of bigotry and prejudice (prejudice = prejudging). this person is delusional. has, in fact, delusions of grandeur. this person needs to degrade and berate others to gain a sense of self satisfaction. this indicates a fragile ego and emotional state. given this persons behavior i would guess he works for illuminati directly or closely. or is illuminati. considering the fact that the way he has presented himself here is very close to the illumnati mindset.
Jim the Uneducated Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
You right wingers are all the same. Yellow bellied cowards. Always threatening people with violence while preaching the word of god. I would let you take the first swing because I do not like violence BUT let me tell you it would be the last swing for the rest of your life. You would either die or be handicapped for life. When someone comes for me, I reply with deadly force. Come on little man, you want to throw down, I am ready. I am not only a scholar and intellectual but I have 12 years of hand to hand training and 10 years of weapons training. I can take any of you dumb uneducated patriots any day of the week. I wish you will take up my challenge. I wish you will accept to meet up with me. I wish you will take the first swing because then I will send you back to your made up maker.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:14 am
Who are you and where are you. I love giving bullies like you “Justice while you wait”. Contact me at 817-338-0224!
joe Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pm
DUDE i have an 815 area code number and most house phones around here are 334 337 or 338. Are you in northern illinois??
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pm
this guy is the epitome of retardation. i make the statement that i would like to slap the teeth out of his head, and he reacts in this fashion. any rational thinking adult would realize i said i would like to, not that im going to. this is a reactive personality type. this is dangerous. this person seems to think they are above the rest of us and that money makes him better than those with out money. this is the worst type of bigotry and prejudice (prejudice = prejudging). this person is delusional. has, in fact, delusions of grandeur. this person needs to degrade and berate others to gain a sense of self satisfaction. this indicates a fragile ego and emotional state. given this persons behavior i would guess he works for illuminati directly or closely. or is illuminati. considering the fact that the way he has presented himself here is very close to the illumnati mindset.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:11 am
Ok, Stop using your nose to type. We can not read your insane posts.
jimshores Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:15 am
The phone is silent.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Fact is, abortion has been used as a convenience for 35 years and has now killed more than 37 million of our own. Those are statistics.
Now, because of the decline of the birth rate (2.0 kids per female; must have 2.2 just to SUSTAIN population) among people in the U.S., the government is in the position of having to import an entirely new tax base of foreign born people (taxpayers). This is one of three reasons WHY nothing has been done to stem the flow of immigration – illegal or otherwise. The other reasons are b) cheap labor and c) future taxpayer revenue to run government.
Caucasians are not having children and the demographic population of the U.S. has changed in a dramatic, sobering way. You all know what I mean.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
i know what you mean. thats the way they want it. kill out the influential middle class and the rest will follow.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:00 am
I know what you mean – you’re racist slime.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
the volcano at yellowstone will be a great provider of birth control
TEN FOOT POLE Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
…and so will the “2nd turn” of their Swine Flu.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
The probleme is that all these people that were involved ( men or women ) in what resulted
in an abortion , have to come back and be aborted , many times over !!!
P.S. Google ” Rakshashi ” ( the female counterpart of a ” Rakshasha ” )
July 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Cold Blooded psychopathic killer.
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July 20th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
That traitorous whore, looks like an evil cartoon character, that was painted as a real person! She is as despicable as her irrelevant opinions!
July 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
i watched my son move around on the ultrasound machine screen. i watched him when he was just a little bean. i listened to him breathe, i heard his heart beat. if any one thinks that it is o.k. to stick a god damned vacuum in to a womb and suck out the life in there, well, you can ask god when you meet him. see what he thinks. if you condone abortion you condone death.
One O' God's Odds Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
You got me there, Jim.
ITS NOT A FETUS, ITS A BABY HUMAN!
He or she HAS GOD-GIVEN RIGHTS to
Life, Liberty and The Pursuit Of Happiness.
DAMN THOSE MURDERERS!
July 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
jim cunningham Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
i watched my son move around on the ultrasound machine screen. i watched him when he was just a little bean. i listened to him breathe, i heard his heart beat. if any one thinks that it is o.k. to stick a god damned vacuum in to a womb and suck out the life in there, well, you can ask god when you meet him. see what he thinks. if you condone abortion you condone death.
Jim the Uneducated Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Your son should have been aborted because now he is stuck with a braindead violent piece of trash called Jim.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
you think you know me. thats funny. you are a mental midget. what would lead you to believe i am uneducated? or trash. it seems to me this comment should be reciprocated to the bearer for speaking from a place of no knowledge.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
who’s too much of a chicken s--- to use his or her (most likely a her) real name.
Jim the Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
I am willing to talk to you live and debate you live. I am willing to meet up with you in real life for either a mental debate OR you trying to slap my teeth out. How is the coward? You!!!! Because you are too afraid to meet up with me or debate me. Put your money where your mouth is or S T F U!
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:03 am
What is it with the slapping out of teeth, oh meek, humble and gentle Christian?
Jim the Moron Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
I want to give you the chance to slap my teeth out but you are too much of a chicken. pock pock pock
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
lol. you are too much. re read the post. i said id like to slap your teeth out. not that i was going to. though i assure you i could. i have no interest in meeting you for either purpose, because…..you don’t matter to me. the only thing you do for me is generate disgust. you disgust me. are you really trying to type out chicken noises? are you o.k.? you should be ashamed of your self. for an atheist you have done a good job of developing a holier than though attitude. you should spend time on introspection and try to see your self from the outside looking in. you have nicely summed up vanity through your behavior.
and for babarishka, i never claimed to be a meek, humble and gentle Christian. nor would i, because i don’t embody Christ like qualities. although some day i hope to.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
lol. you are too much. re read the post. i said id like to slap your teeth out. not that i was going to. though i assure you i could. i have no interest in meeting you for either purpose, because…..you don’t matter to me. the only thing you do for me is generate disgust. you disgust me. are you really trying to type out chicken noises? are you o.k.? you should be ashamed of your self. for an atheist you have done a good job of developing a holier than though attitude. you should spend time on introspection and try to see your self from the outside looking in. you have nicely summed up vanity through your behavior.
and for babarishka, i never claimed to be a meek, humble and gentle Christian. nor would i, because i don’t embody Christ like qualities. although some day i hope to.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Your son should have been abo rted because now he is st uck with a br aind ead viol ent piece of tra sh father called jim.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
and by the way, if this is your idea of a debate, calling people names and the such,then your the child. and you devalue all of humanity. perhaps you should be aborted. its not too late you know.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:03 am
Well at least he didn’t threaten you with violence.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
why cant you distinguish between “id like to” and im going to? do you have a mental block. like, we see what we want to instead of whats there?
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:43 pm
If you sin in your heart you have still committed sin. C’mon, we should expect violent outbursts from heathen like myself, but you are a child of god who knows the one and only truth. We might expect a little more from you, you who are filled with the loving holy spirit of god, should we not?
“Do you have a mental block. like, we see what we want to instead of whats there?” I see a hate-filled, narrow-minded, egomaniacal (i.e., YOU have the one and only truth) human.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pm
why cant you distinguish between “id like to” and im going to? do you have a mental block. like, we see what we want to instead of whats there?
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:26 am
Oh, I see that Moron did threaten you with violence – that was only after you threatend to knock out his teeth first. Whatever happened to “turn the other cheek?”
Not surprising, as Christians have displayed violence for the last 1500 years via the crusades, inquisitions, witch burnings, persecution of the jews in medeival Europe (amplified by the writings of Martin Luther – which influenced Hitler BTW). Yes, we shouldn’t be surprised.
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
these people who did these things are not of Christ, because they don’t embody his spirit or his teachings. this is the apostasy that Christ spoke of to his disciples. the things of which you speak are the work of satan, whom the illuminati work for directly. you should study Christianity closely before you judge it.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I have studied Christianity and read the bible – it’s simply another ancient holy book written by a bunch of goat-herders containing hundreds of discprepncies, absurdities and barbarism. If YOUR bible is the one true word of god, how could it be so misinterpreted over 1500 years. Actually it was misinterpreted from the get go as evidenced by Paul constantly having to write letters to different churches admonishing them for not getting it right! Can’t god communicate clearly?
If the bible is the word of god, shouldn’t it be crystal clear? Of course, YOU have the correct interpretation, do you not, oh humble (LMAO) Christian?
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pm
these people who did these things are not of Christ, because they don’t embody his spirit or his teachings. this is the apostasy that Christ spoke of to his disciples. the things of which you speak are the work of satan, whom the illuminati work for directly. you should study Christianity closely before you judge it.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Most white people are racist demons!!!
jim cunningham Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 1:20 pm
thats an oxymoron
July 20th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
I had one son. I knew I could’t afford anymore, I got sterilized ON MY OWN. And I’m happy watching him grow. What’s wrong with reponsible reproduction? Screw the forced sterilization issue. Really why is it a crime to teach reponsible reproduction? I know women who collect babies like pets and its the kids that suffer. While mommy gets all the cuddles she needs. For some people having babies is about getting attention. Look at the Octomom )(8babies and one birth). invitro fertilization is just as unnatural as abortions and noone preaches about that. This is just one topic I cannot agree on. Invitro fertilization is NOT normal and lots of fetus’ die in the processes, but noone brings that up. Making a baby in a cup is ok apparently. But limiting children is not. I was adopted, and people don’t rave about it.
babarishka Reply:
July 21st, 2009 at 5:15 am
Yes, I agree re: invitro fertilization. Many christians have no problem with that and it’s unnatural. At least miscarriages and stillbirths ARE natural and apparently approved by god.
Many of the people here just blindly follow anything Alex says and can only interpret the world through their narrow-minded religious preconceptions.
One example is Alex’s constant berating of CPS workers. Sure, there have been times when CPS make bad decisions and I’m sure there have been cases of abuse, and foster care is never desirable and always to be avoided if at all possible.
The fact is, there are tons of horrible parents out there: crack heads, gang bangers, severely mentally ill, severely developmentally disabled, physical abusers, sexual abusers. If there was no CPS, all of the monstrous parents would have free reign. Many foster parents are good people and many kids who are adopted do wind up ok.
There are usually 2 sides to every coin. People, think for your freaking selves.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
alot of anger out there,i know,i was pissed for years at the way the world was so messed-up and how society was crumbing and my mind with it. we are all in this mess,we have to get organized,get under-ground.trust only family and close friends.demonstrate anyway you see fit.talk to people in grocery lines,in mall food courts,tell the sheeple so they can start to wake-up too.if they laugh,get up and walk away and don’t look back.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
She’s a dead dead ringer for a Vulture in that get-up she’s wearing.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:36 am
I haven’t read all the comments, so I don’t know if any else has submitted this idea, but I have a novel possibility for why all of a sudden Ginsburg lets slip this idea about abortion and eugenics: Maybe this is her way of alerting the public to the main issue dealing with these elitists and this was the safest way to draw attention to the subject (which it certainly has done) while giving her cover for that attention. In other words, maybe she trying to alert us to the fact of the eugenicists and their plan without her having to directly take them on and incur their wrath (known to be deadly at times, especially for those they felt particularly betrayed or threatened by).
I don’t know if this is true. It would take a Ginsburg scholar to say whether or not there was any indication of this type of thinking in her past. I’m just guessing that there isn’t any such indication, and that this was the safest way for her to get the word out, being that she’s basically surrounded by gangsters that have shown what they’re capable of. She can just play it off like she slipped up, or is getting up their in years, when really maybe her whole intention was to draw attention to the subject.
July 21st, 2009 at 3:36 am
A whole crew of eugenicists are showing themselves and being exposed on a greater scale than ever seen before.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:55 am
why does the elite and ppl. who want to get rid of the rest of us always look like such hideous goblins? just look at that creature.
P.S Hopllyte go kill your self if all the brainwashed idiots like you did the same we wouldn’t have a problem to begin with, Idiot
July 21st, 2009 at 6:43 am
Case in point. What does she look like? Look at her.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
What you sow, you reap. Murdered babies become murdered adults. Rebellion against God becomes destruction from God. Judgment is at hand. Perhaps we will be better off than the 50 million babies and they won’t rip our limbs off and suck the brains out of the back of our heads when the elites cull the population. Repent of your sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Our days are short and eternity is long – don’t spend it in hell.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am
Whoa She Ugly!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:58 am
I think if we just aborted ugly humans we could get rid of the NWO. Double ugly types (like Ruth) should not be used as ORGAN donaters due to the possibility of contaminating the recipient.
July 21st, 2009 at 11:34 am
Women who surgically abort their children practice both misandry and misogyny.
Women who abort surgically hate the children within them and all that those children are and will be.
Women who abort are not selfless. Women who abort are selfish.
July 21st, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I was watching Oprah the other day its a good place to see programing in action…
they had on a show about children the were neglected, they talked about an African boy that was raised by monkeys and a Russian girl that was raised by wolves, and then the came to the American mom that treated her daughter like a plant, never wash her or talk to her and never changed her diaper and she was 6 years old, this girl was dead to the world felt no pain and didn’t react to anything. I found myself saying out loud people need to be giving the right to have children. I think their programing work that day on more then one person.
July 25th, 2009 at 4:39 am
As a teacher of 26 years I felt the compelling duty to contact CPS a total of four times. In the one case where severe and scarring physical abuse was occurring, I felt CPS handled the situation in a most professional manner.
They told the parents that they faced the real prospect of having their children removed from the home. Since the child had actual physical scars from beatings, I think this was reasonable, given that the child’s safety was at risk.
CPS mandated parenting classes for both the mother and stepfather and counseling for the mother. They also offered “respite” to the mother so she could call CPS at any time and have a two-hour break from her children if she felt she would lose control.
I followed up on the family in the subsequent five years. The child, whose behavior in first grade was extremely disruptive and unnerving, turned into great student. The family had pursued self-improvement studies on their own and seemed to have become excellent parents and happier human beings.
As much as I agree with most of what Alex Jones says, I disagree with him on points regarding population, schooling and CPS.
And as far as reproduction is concerned, if people are given the tools (contraception and education) to enjoy sex responsibly and consciously, and are taught that bringing a life into this world is a SACRED RESPONIBILITY BEFORE GOD there would be no demand for abortions.
And regarding populations and resources… it is sad to hear people who are accustomed to living large (lots of meat, SUVs, consumer goods, fuel) talk about having all the kids they can, because everything that is consumed comes from somewhere on this earth, and yes, there are limits to resources, and yes they do have an environmental cost. The American standard of living isn’t available to most humans, and don’t think for one minute that those other humans don’t know what they’re not getting and want it too.