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Travis County, Texas, Mandates Parental Behavior with “Children’s Bill of Rights”
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Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
November 20, 2008
In 2006, attorney Rob V. Robertson drafted a “Children’s Bill of Rights” for the Travis County Domestic Relations Office, in Austin, Texas. Ostensibly designed to protect the children of divorced parents, the Children’s Bill of Rights is a prime example of government micromanagement of the affairs of parents.
“Marriage is a contract between adults, and when it ends, the matter is between the adults also,” writes Robertson. “Yet no parental action has a greater impact on children. Children love their parents and want to be with them. Even in times of great stress, parents have a responsibility to conduct their legal affairs in a manner that will protect their children from adult conflicts.”
However, the bill transcends the realm of legal affairs and mandates how adults will conduct themselves in relation to their own children, including the displaying photographs, making phone calls, and sending and receiving correspondence and greeting cards.
Bureaucrats in Travis County have forcibly inserted the state into all manner of private minutiae, once the province of families but now apparently the business of government. The list is exhaustive:
1. Neither parent shall deny the child reasonable use of the telephone to place and receive calls with the other parent and relatives.
2. Neither parent shall speak or write derogatory remarks about the other parent to the child, or engage in abusive, coarse or foul language, which can be overheard by the child whether or not the language involves the other parent.
3. Neither parent shall permit the children to overhear arguments, negotiations or other substantive discussions about legal or business dealings between the parents.
4. Neither parent shall physically or psychologically attempt to pressure, attempt to influence, pressure or influence the children concerning the personal opinion or position of the child concerning legal proceedings between the parents.
5. Each parent will permit the child to display photographs of the other parent or both parents in the child’s room.
6. Neither parent shall communicate moral judgments about the other parent to the child concerning the other parent’s choice of values, lifestyle, choice of friends, successes or failures in life (career, financial, relational) or residential choice.
7. The parents will acknowledge to the child that the child has two homes although the child may spend more time at one home than the other.
8. The parents shall cooperate to the greatest extent practicable in sharing time with the child.
9. Each parent will permit the child to retain, and allow easy access to, correspondence, greeting cards, and other written materials received from the other parent.
10. Each parent will respect the physical integrity of items possessed by the child which depict the other parent or remind the child of the other parent.
11. Neither parent will trivialize, or deny the existence of the other parent to the child.
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12. Neither parent will interrogate the child about the other parent nor will either parent discourage comments by the child about the other parent.
13. Neither parent will intercept, “lose”, derail, “forget” or otherwise interfere with communications to the child from the other parent.
14. Neither parent will refuse to acknowledge that the child can have or should have good experiences with the other parent.
15. Neither parent will directly or indirectly attack or criticize to the child the extended family of the other parent, the other parent’s career, the living and travel arrangements of the other parent, or lawful activities of the other parent or associates of the other parent.
16. Neither parent will use the child as a “middleman” by using the child to communicate with the other parent on inappropriate topics.
17. Neither parent will undermine the other parent in the eyes of the child by engaging in the “circumstantial syndrome” which is done by manipulating, changing, or rearranging facts.
18. Neither parent will create for, or exaggerate to, the child differences between the parents.
19. Neither parent will say and do things with an eye to gaining the child as an “ally” against the other parent.
20. Neither parent will encourage or instruct the child to be disobedient to the other parent, stepparents, or relatives.
21. Neither parent will reward the child to act negatively toward the other parent.
22. Neither parent will try to make the child believe he or she loves the child more than the other parent, by, for example, saying that he or she loves the child more than the other parent or over-informing the child on adult topics or overindulging the child.
23. Neither parent will discuss child support issues with the child.
24. Neither parent will engage in judgmental, opinionated or negative commentary, physical inspections or interrogations once the child arrives from his/her other home.
25. Neither parent will “rewrite” or “re-script” facts which the child originally knows to be different.
26. Neither parent will punish the child physically or threaten such punishment in order to influence the child to adopt the parent’s negative program, if any, against the other parent.
27. Neither parent will permit the child to be transported by a person who is intoxicated due to consumption of alcohol or illegal drugs.
28. Neither parent will smoke tobacco materials inside structures or vehicles occupied at the time by the child.
29. Each parent will permit the child to carry gifts, toys, clothing, and other items belonging to the child with him or her to the residence of the other parent or relatives or permit the child to take gifts, toys, clothing, and other items belonging to the child back to the residence of the other parent, as the case may be, to facilitate the child having with him or her objects, important to the child. The gifts, toys, clothing and other items belonging to the child referred to here mean items which are reasonable transportable and does not include pets (which the parents agree are impractical to move about).
Once upon a time, the state limited its involvement in the affairs of parents, divorced or otherwise, in cases of physical abuse. Now the state and meddling government bureaucrats are in the business of dictating subjective behavior and deciding what opinions are acceptable. Minor infractions are used to take children from their parents and force them into the abusive “Child Protective” system.
How long before the state and “social workers” are dictating and monitoring the daily behavior of all parents? Across the country, children are locked down in government schools, forced to take deadly vaccinations under color of law, and incessantly brainwashed in the insane dictates of political correctness, from environmental junk science to accepting homosexuality, bisexuality, and transsexuality as “alternative” lifestyles.
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November 20th, 2008 at 11:32 am
Please take down the awful picture of Hillary.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:34 am
I’m quite sick of people talking about who’s real and who’s controlled opposition who’s mocking bird. Why don’t we all just stop holding these people up as our own personal jesus christs and take on some responsibility of our own! Or maybe judge the tree by the fruit and the man by his words and actions. Who cares if Ron Paul or Alex Jones is NWO, CIA, Mossad, or a freaking leprechaun with panties on their head! They speak the truth and remind us of the power we hold individually and in masses and they helped wake ALL of us up to the problems we are facing and all we can do is bicker back and forth and sling mud… pointless, useless, and the best thing for the NWO system… good job “infowarriors” just keep that in-fighting up so the freedom movement gets stagnated like a Abrams in a swamp…
November 20th, 2008 at 11:50 am
I used to work for Austin/Travis County EMS…Quite frankly I’m not surprised about this. I guess those who live there would know what I mean
November 20th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Sounds to me from the entire set of rules that they’re making PARENTING illegal if you’re divorced…like #28, not smoking around a kid? Does this apply to married couples as well? Given the entire set of “rules” the parents themselves will use them against each other, I’m sure that’s REAL HEALTHY for the child…what a complete mockery of the rule of law this is. We should strip the state’s licensing powers away from them and put marriage back where it always belonged…IN CHURCHES !!! Would certainly also end this “gay marriage” debate quickly as well, let the insurance companies see how many “partners” they want to cover given the track record of promiscuity amongst those immoral people.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:54 am
I’m sorry Johnny, but even though daddy molested you, his picture still has to hang in the house & I can only tell you what a wonderful man he is…oh, and that time you saw him hit me? He did it because, um, he loves so much…that’s also why he hit you!
November 20th, 2008 at 11:56 am
This document is null and void, it is a direct violation of the constitution, and the constitution over-rides the state & county.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Children also need to be indoctrinated in the One World Government. At the age of 18 they will have the choice to enter the military or proceed into other education endeavors for maximum of 5 years.
After the 5 year period they will be drafted into the military to fight against the Terrorist who intend to kill us.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
This is scary! #27. Neither parent will permit the child to be transported by a person who is intoxicated due to consumption of alcohol or illegal drugs. Soooo if the other parent is a dirt bag on drugs and who smokes then; you cannot talk badly about that persons behavior, but you also can’t allow them to go with that person especially if as in #28 they smoke! (#28. Neither parent will smoke tobacco materials inside structures or vehicles occupied at the time by the child). Guess the only option for us slaves is to call CPS and have them take the child away from our undeserving, incompetant homes. Once upon a time……..adults handled these thing by themselves. How ever did we accomplish anything with out the interference of mother government???
November 20th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Wow, this is from 2006?!? This just looks like a guideline, it doesn’t say anything about laws. Imo, kids do need some kind of protection from these kinds of things. If parents are seeking legal divorce, and want their rights protected by the law, their children should also receive protection.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
+++MICHAEL SAVAGE was right, years ago, when he said “Liberalism is a mental disease!”
November 20th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
County by County, state by state, they will move in on our lives, effecting different parts of our lives. That is the plan for control.
Nothing know, ame old same old, and the best way for the government to get into private homes is to use the children and make new laws in the name of safety for the child.
Sure parents who are divorsing need to kttp a lid on things, be responsible and not share all that info with the kids. They need to know when lonley that your kids are not your best friend and you do not treat them as such and talk about adult subject with them atout the other parent, but this is personal responisbility.
We really need to keep the gov out of our homes.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
I guess we don’t know how to raise children as well as the state. What a sham. Can we all say Natzi’s. Power to the peacefull
November 20th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
whats next you cant swear, cant have another woman around when you have ur child…. im sick of this damn goverment
November 20th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
As a pastor, I say AMEN to Travis County. I have seen too many children destroyed by the foolish and bitter actions of their parents. I hope this goes nationwide and is enforced to the degree that it makes selfish parents think twice about even getting a divorce.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
My parents are guilty of all the above mentioned rules/guidelines. Now, as an adult, I realize how petty, greedy, malicious, and vile, my parents were. Because of their poor communication skills, they used me as a pon in their wars. The problem isn’t that government is trying to fix this, it’s that people can’t behave in a civilized fashion with respect for others. PEOPLE – If you aren’t going to stay married and raise your kids together – don’t get married! If it was up to me, I never should have been born.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
i think alex jones might be a insider keeping us away from the real truth.
The truth that we don’t need oil or need to worry about economy because there is free energy technology out there that is being kept from the public. Why doesn’t we talk about this?
here is some proof but there is many many more people doing this kinda of work alex never talks about it.
http://www.leedskalnin.com/index.html
* Hydroxy Gas Energy Systems
* Thermal Exchange motors
* Pulsed Motor Generators
research those things
the future is in our hands!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Steve Boggan: That is an IDIOTIC endorsement of this kind of reprehensible government intrusion. Why not just ship custody and care of a child to the State? You CANNOT have the government controlling subjective human behavior like this, and it is a pretext to a dictatorship nanny state. Life SUCKS. Divorce and the competitive behavior that is a result is part of LIFE! Let’s work on protecting kids from violent predators instead of their own parents.
THINK MORE, POST LESS IDIOT.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
The ONLY sad thing about the Bill Of Rights is that it was NEEDED! IF divorced parents ACTED as the adults they claim to be, there would be no need. I work in a pediatric office. We see, all too frequently, the effect that certain divorces have on children of all ages. It is NOT uncommon for divorced parent, of all socio-economic and ethnic and racial backgrounds, to pit their children against the other parent. The long lasting, deep psychological problems that arise from the immaturity, bitterness and lack of any cooperation from these parents is just horrific! Family court, family judges NEED to be able to implement these kind minute details because many people don’t have the necessary tools to simply be a good parent and do the right thing. People need education to enter into professions BUT sadly, no one NEEDS any sort of license, training, education or intelect to reproduce. Blame the parents NOT the government for this one. You guys are SO concerned about the government running your lives. Get off the internet and go out and REALLY DO SOMETHING MEANINGFUL AND PRODUCTIVE WITH YOUR LIVES. Stop sitting here and blaming EVERYONE else for all you misfortunes!!!!
November 20th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
Looks normal to the basic person.
Who would not want these items for their children??
But when someone tells you how to raise your child and police you. Then they have overstepped their boundaries.
Texas is the bible belt and the religious people want more control in people’s lives.
There is one group for controlled society and NWO.
Then there is the freedom group who oppose intervention and controlled society.
Then there is another group who don’t give a crap what anyone does.
A little bit of all would be a good mixture. I prefer more freedom, but hate hearing about people who deprive their kids of water for a week for wetting the bed.
Just like the police helicopter pilot who landed to shoot a man killing his baby. It is appaling that others stood by and did nothing.
This law seems a little overbearing in the fact it goes beyond physical damage and tries to control the mental abuse in families from divorce.
Hiding these items could prevent their children from knowing what to expect when they get old enough to get married and divorced.
I learned a lot from watching my parents go through it. I chose to never marry!!!
I think in Texas Law you are technically married if you live with someone for 6 months or so.
So the paper license and spending money is just for state taxes and to boost money economy.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
CUSTODY is GRANTING?
In Cambridge Massachusetts Family Probate Court an A men with 35 pages… I said: 35 pages “not 35 charges” but 35 pages of CRIMINAL RECORDS felony in DOMESTIC VIOLENCE forbidding to be closed of children did GRANTED a FULL and SOLE custody of a boy 3 years old.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail.a.....onid=35104
November 20th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Mr. Black,
#5 does NOT force anyone to display photos of the other parent. It is the CHILD’s choice whether or not to display photos.
I cannot find any law that forces this “bill of rights” on the Travis County web site. It appears to be only informational, as prepared by one lawyer. Does anyone have specific knowledge that this has been turned into law? If so, please provide the appropriate reference(s).
Nonetheless, I do NOT like the implications that this *information* creates. Get the government out of my life and how children are raised.
(soap box) This kind of carp (intentional misspelling) pushes me more and more into wanting to leave America. Our “freedoms” are being systematically removed and there’s no sign of getting them back. How have other countries survived hundreds of years longer than America? Is it time to get “back to basics?” I believe technology and American greed has fueled a lot of this. And I’m getting tired of it. Unfortunately, the youngsters of today love the technology and simply propagate this. And American greed helps pursuade these same youngsters that this is the right thing to do. (soap box off)
November 20th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
Apparently social services has a chain e-mail with this linked in it saying how awful we are for not being FOR this bullshit.
Get out of my life, I’m not doing anything damaging to your own, and for the love of God, don’t frigging shove your beliefs onto me, hypocrite.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Screw the government.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
To Steve Boggan Says: 13
“As a pastor,” I say AMEN to Travis County.
The “as a pastor” part needs to be left out of anything you state from this point on. You are NO PASTOR. In fact you are exactly what is wrong with relifgion today. One of your DUTIES as a religious cleric is to attempt to interact and counsel such families.
Second.. everyone has seen some type of activity that this so called lawyer has drafted. Why do I know.. because it has nearly become normal in EVERY family in the US.. this type of stuff even occurs in MARRIED families.
Third. The state offers no solutions or guarantees that they can do a better job. If anyone did some research they would find that most state agencies involved with children on CLAIM to do a job in “svaing the child” when actually theironly interest, like most GVt agencuies, if budget concerns and justifying their jobs. Reseach will prove that state agencies DO NOT report on abuse of children within their control and control of their agency.
At one time I did research on Georgia child deaths within DFACS control. More children were killed while UNDER DFACS supervision that natural deaths combined between the years 1994 and 2000.
Lawyers should not be writing legislation independently.
People who want the GVT to take control of their lives are failures as humans and do not deserve the joy of children. Get sterilized at age 13.. That is something I am sure the state would be willing to do.
Incidently.. that may be next… bad families produce “bad children” and we cannot risk future “contamination” of society with that type of human.
Who made it so easy for diviorce to become so acceptable? Hollywood movies started the trend.. and people saw how easy it was.. got lawyers involved and divorce has become the largest “easy money operation” in the US. Lawyers have made a killing off divorce and it’s industry. I guess the family will be next.. then we will all be like animals.. no marriage or expectation of such a union. We will just breed like cattle for the state’s interest. This type of acyion will only further make society fear the state contrlling their lives.
I could go on and on about the evils.. but most of the posts on here seem to dance around the words ..personal responsibility.
How many of the parenst are on welfare? That in itself is a sign of lack of personal responsibility…yet no one complains because “their family needs the help”…They cannot hold a job, can afford dope and alcohol, and yet somehow we expect them to be responsible parenst choking out kids to stay dependent on the GVT system.
This attempt is not to punish the few irresponsible and immature parents.. this is to mass punish socuety in the end. Most of us will escape the wrath of such a measure.. But again.. we screw our children in the future and do so iwthout conscience. I am almost ashamed to be part of such a people who claim everything from relion to immunity from humanity and are allowed to walk on theis side of the dirt.
Boggan.. Most of all.. It is people like you who disgust me most.. You HIDE behind reliogion yet refuse to do what is commanded of you, like it or not, by the Bible. You are exactly why I gave up organized religion.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
It angers me to see folks like steve boogan agree with this. Do people not see the serious threats this kind stuff imposes. Each day we are moving closer and closer to being totally stripped of all freedoms and liberties. How many more years until we are totally imersed in a totalitarian state.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
How long before the criminal government uses this as a pre-text to punish parents for allowing their children to consume foods and beverages which are poisoned by soy, MSG, and aspartame, all of which are tied to the criminal Rockefeller mafioso family’s Monsanto? Obesity is just like 9/11, an inside job being used to enslave humanity.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
This is the web site for Travis Co. , TX.
Again.. evertything the GVt gets involved with involving the familiy is for two reasons: Money and control.
Think about it.. The Workers are only “dedicated” to their jobs from 9-5. After that when they are not getting paid.. they could care less. Also CPS in most staes has a high turnover rate. People are generally “conscipted into service” in return for state funded education.. and they have a conscience and bail out as soon as possible. They know this is a bad thing for the family as well. Thsoe who choose to stay on.. may do so because they care… but mostly it is for the security of a GVT job with benefits and retirement better than they would get in the private sector. They too are parasites on the working person.
http://www.co.travis.tx.us/dro/common_law.asp
November 20th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Look, all of this is not new. If any of you have ever been in family court you would know this.
Many judges have ordered parents to follow these rules because they bring their fight to the kids.
When in fact it has nothing to do with them.
I am not for Gov getting into peoples lives etc, however their seems to be more rights for the common crimal, then for kids who are caught up in a divorce.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
You have to decide where you draw you red line in the sand. I guess we all know what the Founding Fathers would have said about the U.S. of America of 2008.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
What the hell is the punishment? I am not getting this moral and ethics police action being allowed to dictate law. Oh ya the drug war. Well son of a DOG!
November 20th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
#13,#14,You all sound like abunch of whiny idiots who were never taught self-sufficiancy. Quit waiting on a knight in shining armor. Help ain’t coming. And if the state gets a hold of anyones kids they f@#K ‘em up worse than a bit -o- bickering by some dufus who demands they be called mom/dad. I’m the son of divorced parents. I’m also dealing with a step child whose father is always feeling He’s been cheated and thus blaming others for his predicament. The child is 5 at this point and very impressionable. I’ll admit that when she comes home from a respective week end she says some pretty nasty s**t. When in prolonged periods of alternate custody it may take her a week or two and sometimes a few nightmares to sort out the crap she gets fed. But, ya know what? I’m a decent man and my wife is a decent and good mother. We were both politically awake when we met. So, there is no way I’ll allow harm to befall any one of my family. So, the way I feel about it is that if your so confidant in allowing the state to raise “your” children; call ‘em! I’m sure they’ll be happy to come and whisk them away in their loving embrace.
But, guess what? We’re handling this on our own and doing really well with it. When she’s here she’s very happy. By the way I live in Travis Co. TX. So all three of you need to buck-up!!! This is the U.S.A. and any one violating my rights isn’t going to see the nice side of me. Oh, don’t think I won’t be decent… I just won’t be nice.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
The causation and the solution to all of this is quite simple.
Causation: “Father” and “Mother” are unbridled adulterers who RECKLESSLY engage in fornication (sex outside the bonds of marriage) and end up having or enter into marriage as if it were a fast-food drive thru experience to “try it out” with the mindset that the CONTRACT and COVENANT they enter into so lightly and frivolously has no real binding effect upon their rebellious self-will, and they can simply walk away for any or no reason at all. No family and social oversight and approval required. The result: damaged and broken human beings and and a disconnected foundationless detached nation, without natural affection and human connectiveness. It touches and affects everyone in some way or another.
As a result of the lawless and reckless living of the People, the courts are forced to deal with adjudicating the breaches of contract and the effects of the breaches. The same forces who promoted and created the social breakdown of the family (”free love” “women’s liberation” etc. of the 60’s forward), are the same forces offering “the solutions” (a micromanaged total surveillance nanny police state). It’s entrapment – the people now being “regulated” and “micromanaged” are “guilty” and without standing as they are the WILLFULL offenders who willingly accepted the poisonous corrupted “values” the enemy promotes and created the carnage of their own lives and that of their children with little to no regard to the impact and effects on their children.
The Solution: Allow Jesus Christ to give you, the dead and broken, a new rebirth of new and eternal life. Only Christ Jesus can truly set free those who are captive and broken. Only Christ Jesus gives TRUE FREEDOM AND LIBERTY. Put your children and others before “self” with true love and humility. There are ways to escape the enemy’s traps and snares – but the first course of action is: Don’t willingly sabotage and destroy your life and your children’s lives by the corrupt choices you may make. Listen to and OBEY the commandments of God – for they are for our own good to protect and keep us safe and provide for an abundant life of freedom and peace in Him. Much prayer and fasting – prepare our hearts for the return of the Son of God and the Day of Judgment that is coming. Remember the first rule: “The reverent and humble fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”
“Therefore WAIT ye upon Me, saith the LORD, until the day that I rise up to the prey: for MY DETERMINATION is to gather the nations, that I may assemble the kingdoms, to pour upon them mine indignation, even all my fierce anger: for all the earth shall be devoured with the fire of my jealousy.” Zephaniah 3:8
But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. II Peter 3:7
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. Matthew 10:28
It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God. Hebrews 10:31
Thank you Alex Jones, Ron Paul, Lindsey Williams, Dr. Craig Roberts, Col. Roberts, et al. . . for fighting the good fight and being the faithful watchmen on the wall, the Paul Reveres of our hour to warn us and alert the world to the dangers and imminent threats the enemies of humanity pose to us.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
They have the children. It will be like the Khmer Rouge, the children beating up their parents, for scorning the great leader.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
One last comment. Keeping in mind today’s children and the school influence and environment they are exposed to, no matter how good the parents are, sooner or later they will figure out the stae has “empowred” them to influence their parents. Pol Pot did this with the Khmer Rouge. remember them? Nearly an army of young children went around Cambodia killing any adult they liked basically on nothing more than a whim. Pol knew what he was doing. Hitler Youth, Loyal to Hitler’s stae and were his “eyes and ears’… Anyone who didn’t play.. paid.
Children can be manipulative and the sate will be the only entity to benefit. This will mean job security for many others who use the citizen’s money to pay their own salaries and ensure their job security. This wole concept is similar to a cat playing with a mouse… The cat takes it’s time knowing it has the ability and power toinfluence the mouse’s life.
In fact the lawyer Robertson has made his livelyhood off divorce and that alone creates the very problem he claims to be trying to be interested in solving. He is obvioulsy too cheap a lawyer to pay for a web site. Maybe his reputation sells his business.
Personally .. the process propsed by this so called “Bill of Rights” is no better when you get the un-accountable “system’ involved that it would be to allow the majority of civilized divrced parents to live their lives with the children they had together. As usual in the US.. the majority suffer for the sins of the minority few.
http://www.avvo.com/attorneys/.....08341.html
November 20th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
They forgot one…the most important one!!! Y’all remember former Senator Rick Santorum??? Well, “No parent shall deny access, transport, or cuddling of a STILLBORN sibling regardless of marriage or divorce status!!!” Well folks, that’s what you can do when your a senator!!! Google Rick Santorum/stillborn son!!! Pretty sick shit to expose your children to I think!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
November 20th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
NeoCon Narc #19 -
“Looks normal to the basic person.
Who would not want these items for their children??”
If the few whom this was written cared about what theior children wanted they would never have allowed this “Bill of Rights” to be written.
And this was written for parents who are, in all probability, the minority of selfish brats who should never have been parents.
My question is why is a single lawyer neglecting to note the fact that most divorces are somewhat cicvil with adults already considering and minimizing the impact on their children.
As one poster on here expressed the desire to wishing to have “never been born”.. that person is entitled to their opinion.. but certainly does nott represent all families who marrry or go through a divorce. Likewise thsi action will not ensure all children grow up to be “normal”…
example.. the “state” puts children,with the parents permission(sometimes) because sometimes there is a financial “reward’ in the form of “higher benefits” for having a child on mind altering drugs all their childhood and this is “perfectly normal” in todays society.
Yet when that child turns 18 or 21 and decides to experiemnt with mind altering drugs, perhaps even pot, then all of a sudden they are felons?
Mixed message.. The only drugs you can legallyt take are the ones the state allows. Of course their is money involved. Big Pharma has to make a living too.
I do not condone or use drugs personally. ALcohol in moderation is okay as long as the person can handle it. I don’t smoke.. but when I did I was obseravnt of other people. Some smokers are their own worst enemy by their laziness with butts and choices.
November 20th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
Lordie, how do they enforce these edicts?
November 20th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
There are many, many, many broken Christian homes, whose parents have “allowed Jesus Christ to give them, the dead and broken, a new rebirth of new and eternal life.”
Still have broken homes.
Still have fucked up families.
Still abuse and brutalize each other.
Still do petty, childish mind games on the children to make them hate the other parent.
Somehow they are “saved” though.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Steve @ 14–yeah go ahead and spout that dumb stuff now clown, until it’s YOUR home and children. Bet you change your mind in a hurry. And don’t insult me or the rese of the posters
here by hiding behind religion. People like you are the reason I have left organized religion
and refuse to set foot in a church today.
Let them try to bring that shit to Missouri in my
town and watch how fast parents get up in arms!
Starting with me.
Casual Observer @ 25–Thank you and well said!!!
Poster # 26–thank you too.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I once had the opportunity, while in the Navy, to visit a place called Dubrovnik Yugoslavia(now Croatia).
It was Communist at the time.. but not “hard core” as some would think.
A couple of friends and I “rented a cab driver” for a few hours and took the driver out and bought him a few beers and we talked with him about “communism” in his country. He talked openly and freely and thought it was great.. he had a wife and kids.. The state took care of the kids during the day while he and his wife worked jobs for the state.. little pay.. but security.. The kids were no problem.. of course the state took care of them.
His wife took care of the kids after her job while he went out to his “second job” as a cab driver. This was where he got to keep a little more of the money he earned so he could have income for the “family”… He ended up working around 14-16 hours a day.. providing for the state more than his family…
He had heard how great the life in the US was.. but at the same time saw nothing wrong with Communism in his country.. because he had never known anything else.
We are on the same path and almost there now.
The citizen is literally fighting the GVt to preserve our God given rights to exist without GVT interference. The sad thing is.. WE PAY THEM to deprive us of these freedoms.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
Where would the 8 year old boy,fit into this story??he just killed his father and another man in Colorado a few days ago!!!!
JOHANN DOHMANN
November 20th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
It’s a funny old world
Of course all parents should stay together and live in a beautiful harmonious love…but they don’t
Of course all parents should bring their children up in a warm and protective environment…but they don’t
The reason of course is that they are human, and so frail, and often as immature as their kids
Naturally, the world that has been created for us all to live in has encouraged the selfishness and crassness alluded to in this regulatory nonsense, and given us the environment that encourages, condones, increases the acceptability of and makes easier the division of families by divorce
If we consider: the family unit was one of the strongest building blocks of society that the elite are seeking to subvert. Sure, there were some bad examples, but the greater good of society was bound up in the strength of the family
Hitler understood that the first loyalty of the citizen should be to the fuhrer/state, not to family, friends, neighbours and so on.
The systematic attack on the family continues. The intervention of the state in every aspect of our lives continues.
Sure, the rules look fair and reasonable. They’re supposed to. But what they represent is just another brick in the wall, another strand of razor wire around the camp of prison America.
It’s the kids I feel sorry for, used as weapons in the ignorant squabbling of dumbed down ,fluoride drinking propertyless sheep in the corporate flock. Baaa. Baaa.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
#14 That’s the thing with all of you pastors,you always stick you noses into other peoples business.
You of coarse think you are doing good,but in reality it’s about power.
You should worry about yourself and your own sins,go to church and teach those who want to follow you.
Freedom means just that freedom.
There will always be good parents and there will always be bad parents.
If people decide to divorce that’s their business.
Good kids come from divorced familys.
Control is power and power is control.
Just because your a pastor doesn’t make you a expert on people and values.
Why do religious people always think they know whats best for everyone and always act so self rightous.
3/4’s of the time its a preist or pastors who harm children, it makes me sick!
November 20th, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Steve Boggan: Your comment rings of absurdity!!!!Here in Ohio…for a few $’s anyone, and I mean ANYONE, can be a “pastor”!!! Hell, just look at Rod Parsley…$ groveling fuck!!!! I’ve NO sympathy of you that think SOMEBODY’S “coming” back!!! Especially when “THEY” want 10% of your income!!! People like you think there is some kind of “CHAIN of COMMAND” to God!!! BuLLLshit(3 L’s count em’)!!!! I got your interpretation hangin’ right MF’n here brother!!! And BTW don’t pray for me…I gives a damn!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
November 20th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
JOHANN DOHMANN #42 -
Good question. Please elborate on the facts that you are aware of. Please limit the response to facts. I recall the story in a 10 second flash on the national media..But no solid facts to substantiate what actually happened.
That incident happened in Arizona by the way. Next time you post,..have your damn facts together instead of showing your ignorance. If the story is that important to you.. GET IT RIGHT …
http://www.google.com/search?h.....=o&oq=
It would be interesting to know what went on there for a learning experience. Especially since the boy killed TWO adults. I find that amazing.. Most adults couldn’t do that.
I do not assume the parent and friend was bad because the “media said so’.
Likewise I do not assume the boy was acting justly or out of a family repercussion.
Kids these days are not of the same caliber and as naive as a generation or two ago. They are well versed on a variety of ways to do things.
This gets right back to parenting.. RESPONSIBLY… I know some devilish 8 year olds.. most just seek attention.. unfortunately.
One thing is sure.. this kid.. no matter what age has a problem.. whether he was taking drugs(legal and state administered by parents0 or something else was going on.
We don’t know the facts. The news suggest the father taught the son how to use a gun. He didn’t teach the kid well. No eight year old of mine would be allowed to shoot unsuprvised..and I have guns and my kids were taught as soon as they could become mobile to NEVER touch themwithout my permission. A well rasied child respects their parents.. SOme things are not negotiable between a parent and child. Wacth a parent in a store.. when the parent say “no” and the child begins to throw a fit and debate the parent as to why.. I assure you there are [robelms with disciplne in that family.
Some may not like my methods.. But I have raised three girls.. everyone of them tried the old “throw a fit and get my way thing’.. ONE TIME.. and I immediately promised them I would tear their little ases up when we got home.. and I did.. It only took once.. the secret..I was predictable to my children and always acted on what I said..even if the infraction was minor and I promised them a tail whipping.. they got it because I had to keep my word. They KNEW when I said something it stood on it’s own.
You cannot be both a parent and a ” best freind ” tio your child. I see many females trying to outdo their children these days in maintaining more of a friendship than a parental role. No one should act surpriised when the “chickens come home to roost” as some would say.
But considering the amount of 8 year olds in the US.. the world isn’t ending with this incident.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
So how well off is the child going to be when mommy is serving tme for hiding a greeting card?
November 20th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
42 JOHANN DOHMANN -
After some research the boy fits right in place. What he did was not good.. but he helped the gene pool get a little more shallow.
This story staes that the father didn’t know his “stepson” well enough and had counseld with a Catholic Priest as to whetehr the PRIEST thought he should allow the boy to handle a gun.
There goes parental responsibility..and this idiot paid with his life and his friends.. Sad ..butfair..
By the way.. it was his stepson and his mother was MARRIED to the man so they would not have fallen under the “Rights umbrella”.. Read the article below.. The state acts as if they are almost surprised he has not had encountedrs with family services …
http://www.rgj.com/article/200.....8/81108032
November 20th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Sounds like what they are actually doing is to discourage people from having kids.
November 20th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
Alex Jones always highlights the problems – Fed, NWO, Bilderbergers, police state etc. He never gives equal time to finding solutions. Something which Ron Paul does – he talks about monetary policy, political activism, economic issues – matters that can make a difference, that can actually bring down the NWO.
Why does AJ do it? Ignorance? Business as usual? I think it is deliberate deception. Like ‘deer in headlights’. Keep people overwhelmed and confused by problems, so they can not clearly think about actual practical solutions.
AJ looks like a black op. He does give some useful information, but it is always mixed with enough disinfo to keep people away from real useful solutions.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
David.. Thinking people can sift through the cheap shit fairly easy. While some people on here seem to worhip Alex Jones.. I am not one of them. Some of his writers take things to the exterem for effect. I can see that as well. I take in all the crap.. sift through it.. compare it with other news resources..and when in doubt.. I come to my own conclusions.
I wouldlike to think most people do that.. But again.. Thatis what I would like to think.. Experience with people tells me not to expect too much on the part of another human being.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Amen David! You are right on point. I still like to sift through the deceptions to find the truths in what is happening in this crazy world.
I have always told people here to be careful and not become the very sheep they accuse the general public of being. A good note though, there are more people than most realize (who post on this site) that have been made aware of the truths about 9/11 and falling buildings…in places such as cia front corporations.
People, be assured in knowing that not a majority of the population are asleep…they are awakening! So, don’t ruin it by being sheep on this site and others like it. Be your own person, think for yourself, lead yourself.
Thanks David
November 20th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
In reply to David (post 51): Alex Jones does highlight the problem, but he also offers the solution. The solution is not Alex Jones, but you. Alex gives you the information, but it is up to you to do what you want with it. David you sit here and talk about how you think Alex Jones only gives problems, but what have you done today? Is that your solution David is talk about how you think Alex does this or that wrong? You talk about Ron Paul offering solutions, but it takes people to make it happen. It all starts with who to see in the mirror everyday…
November 20th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Dude! Causal observer! Wow! I just posted and saw your reply. I am astonished.
Carry on brother! Good to see there are sensible people here.
Later, it’s dinner time!
November 20th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
David is a cop. “Your Still a Douche” is too, and by the way, it’s “you’re” not “your” Still a Douche. Don’t they teach you how to use the English language at Langley?
AJ exposes what is actually, really going on and David knows this. To insinuate that AJ is deliberately deceptive because he doesn’t propose a solution is intellectual dishonesty. 1st off, he does propose a solution; a simple one at that – to return to a Constitutional government. 2nd, the idea of comming up with “solutions” to thy myriad of problems we face is to engage in congecture and assuption. Who has time for that when we are under attack? Information is power and that is what AJ does best – provide accurate, pointed information that is not available elsewhere. This isn’t about feel good politics such as “we ought to,” and “what we should do is…” but about understanding that at any time life as we know it could end if people continually fall for the LIE. The funny thing is that AJ has woken us up so well that people like David stand out like a sore thumb as the agent provocetour that he obviously is.
November 20th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Alex Jones only highlites problems….. Alex Jones doesn’t give any solutions….. Alex Jones doesn’t tell me what to think like the spin doctors at CNN…… Let me tell you something. Alex Jones is here to put out the info. Period. By his choice he attends rallies and other activism and he does some editorializing on his radio show. But for you to imply that the whole burden of putting out the info, telling us what to do with it and taking us by the hand and leading us step by step in what to do all falls on the shoulders of Alex Jones is not only disrespectful to the man’s work, but it shows the inability you have to think for yourself. Stop relying on Alex Jones to do it all!
Get off your backside and stand up for yourself
November 20th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
so a few years ago my daughter comes home and says, “you can’t hit me or I will tell.” Not if I hit you hard enough I said. (that’s a joke people.) really, my 17 now 18 year old daughter burnt herself on the arm at KFC, went to school; the teacher saw it and the nurse inspected it. next I know I’m being grilled by metro about abuse. 2 days later and CPS wants a full report. blow me you c**k s*****s. The gvt is way too deep in our lives, I would never hurt my kids ever. Our gvt sucks and I want my money back.
November 20th, 2008 at 10:52 pm
troddeddown #32 _ Way to stand up. I know exactly where you are coming from. My deal is a littkle different.. but your idea is right in step with mine. The state is the last people anyone would want in their life if they ever get in… they are like ticks you can’t get rid of. I know..
To 33 George Washington
“The causation and the solution to all of this is quite simple. ”
I agree.. The “causation” as you put it hypocrites like you attempting to tell other people how to live when you are probably no better and put yourself on a pedestal without a damn clue about the real world as it is today…
and I won’t stop with the “causation” (assuming that is even a real word….)
The solution is truly quite simple in your case… Simply by a tube of grease at your local auto store and rub it sparingly on the top area of your head.. and bend over as far as you can and place your head between your legs and shove the upper cranium into the first hole it encounters. Keep head inserted until you suffocate from lack of oxygen.. fall over..
Mission accomplished.
I KNOW how to raise my child.. The same way my grandparenst and parents did.. I am not perfect.. nor were my parents.. But by TODAY”S STANDARDS.. I damn sure feel like I am…
When is the last time you saw someone exhibit a small amount of courtesy in public….
Not a damn cowardly closet Christian who claims mighty things in front of an audience but never practices what they preach in public without expecting an applause.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
saddayforrepublic #58 -
Check the local “policy” and I am sure you will find they are out of their league grilling you on your 18 year old.. Review the laws..get a small pocket didgital recorder and go in to a metting where they will claim to have a “record started”.. and take some type of graphic tape and listen to their BS a while and then stand up and offer to seal the record and have a jidge review it in what is known as a “camera review’,….
DFACS(Dept of Family and Children servives) does not have to show anyone their records and has immunity from the FOIA without redaction…
This whole system does not meet the Constituional requirenments.. Ie. facing your accuser, a trail by jury.. which I would admit would be scary these days…
They send the riff faff of society to a few weeks of training and all of a sudden they are experts on the family.. even women who have no children know more about the family life than those who do.
Always record and NEVER allow them in your home without a warrant…
Chances are they never have enough.
The school is a “mandated reporter” and when in doubt.. theyw ill always call to cover their ass.
Thsi system is worse than Communism…and designed to destroy the US family.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:42 am
No worries, I would hope that all parents acted in this way. Maybe this would make a good comic book (English/Spanish), written on a third grade level. With copies for; Mom, Dad, and all the kids. What the state should do, is everything it can to keep families together.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:58 am
fear God,
fear no one,
love God,
love mankind
live hard,
live free…
can you grow food? can you defend yourself? can you leave on very short notice? got storable food? still using fluoride toothpaste? still eating GM-food ? going to watch 40% of your friends die from cancer in the next 10-30 years?
not a game, the satanic elite are insane and will bird-flu, nuke, haarp, and kill millions…
take care and be safe,
Steve
contactable on stevenbatman AT gmail.com
November 21st, 2008 at 3:40 am
http://www.myspace.com/repealfederalreserveact
November 21st, 2008 at 5:14 am
If you’ve ever had to deal with CPS barging in to your life, your office, your house…you realize how far this can go. Any bitter ex-employee, ex-spouse, nosy neighbor can make that call to CPS and you’re guilty until proven innocent. They will come in and interview you and your kids about your entire life and life history. they take pictures. If you refuse to let them in, they can easily get a warrant.
with this law, how many divorced people are there out there ?? one vindictive call, and the govt’s there, going through your house room to room.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:00 am
I can tell you one parent who is not going to be watched you bunch of cowards. How about growing a pair and be a true American. These perverts will never have the power to do anything unless you allow them.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:28 am
Where is the problem here??? it seems logical, and make sense! Not just because it’s from the government we have to criticize it, read it word by word, for a child benefit you will that this “bill of rights” is good. If you dissagree, point to me where is the bad.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:44 am
In fact, the criminal elites, neo conservatives, the NWO rats are targetting the children in different ways and that are including the normalizing the unnormal standard and to destroy the right ethics for the childern. The criminals global-elites are targetting every good ethics, and are trying to dehumanized and then animalizing the people, and thats in their plan for the depopulation plan. The promoting of the homosexsual is very essential part in the depopulation plan. Again and again, the criminal neo conservatives, the global-elites dirty rats, have proven over times that they are no more than criminalized animals.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:13 am
If you fucking retards have such a problem with AJ get out of your mommy’s basement and start your own show .Stupid why don’t you expose the real plan.fucking retard.If you know so much stop being a lazy douche bag sheep and start exposing.Stop worrying about the alex jones show.Bring us the real news or shut your retard ass mouth.you sound stupid ,zionist this zionist that .expose them You are an black ops agent if you don’t.
All the true patriots here already know you are trolls.
BYE TROLL
alex arron kurt and the rest of the guys at prison planet rock you guys rock
November 21st, 2008 at 9:40 am
This is only an attempted start by a commission that is given to a government and its policies through an electoral victory.
Take it for what ’tis worth.
I call it nothing more than spite.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:45 am
This is already starting to happen. Once that cps gets involved with your family they try to find something to show that the parents are at fault. I know this to be true. i am living the situation right now.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:10 am
jjink, those morons you are refering to are fedgov shills, cia plants here to cause dissention etc., since Alex sources everything he says and only deals in topics he can directly prove, it is a self evident truth that his distractors are liars/disinformation agents/cointelpro, whichever, they are irrelevant maggots.
Ostracize the communist trash, they will go away, or maybe they will continue to hang around like flies, as their boss is the lord of flies, but, that should not distract us!
You know, these rats don’t abide by THE Bill of Rights, it is highly offensive therefore they presume to make other bill of rights we are expected to honor.
Those bums have no honor and their counterfeits are meant to usurp and subvert the original!
November 21st, 2008 at 11:31 am
Don’t you see the verbage of these statements.
They show you up front their true intent; “neither parent”.
Their goal and focus is to enslave the parents so to control the children. Give the children anything they want which will insure their destruction.
The NWO must turn our children into civilians and not citizens.
Texas must revolt against such Parental Terrorism.
Long live my People, Long live my Republic of Texas.
Hoorah!!!
November 21st, 2008 at 11:35 am
http://www.profane-justice.org or com suzzane schell
while alot of this stuff holds true
and some clearly does not
ITS UP TO THE PARENTS
and dont ever get their court appointed lawyer
there all in bed together
if you cant afford a lawyer go pro se and go to the webcite above
November 21st, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Thanks to you who answered my post with such out of control anger and bitterness. You are the perfect illustration of my point, and I feel sorry for your children, if you have any.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Steve Boggan 74 _
Steve I feel sorry for you. I do have a childand g=have removed her from public school because I found myself competing with the “state” to form fer values and got tired of counselors grilling her because she had a “single father” who raised her from birth.
My statement still stands about you. YOU ARE MNO PASTOR… You are worse than Judas Escariot and you KNOW you are a coward hiding behind religion as a supposed “cleric” because you have no other value to offer humanity.
Continue the “good work” my man.. You may fool the people of the earth.. but you know what you are as well as I do. It is painfully obvious. You will have your day… You can fool others around you.. but there will be one you cannot deceive.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 am
Well said Casual Observer. And I still stand by what I said. Steve is NO Pastor. Government plant and shill but not a pastor. My dad was a life long Baptist minister and I can promise you he would not have been thinking along such lines as this “pastor” We feel sorry for you trying to hide behind religion. Coward!!!