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Ukraine, WHO and the Geopolitics of Swine Flu Panic
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F. William Engdahl
November 18, 2009
Latest reports of what is being called a deadly Swine Flu outbreak in Ukraine according to on sight reports appear to be a political concoction by a threatened government to avoid election defeat and possibly declare martial law. The details indicate how convenient the current WHO “Swine Flu” H1N1 “pandemic” scare is for regimes in trouble.
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Worldwide media reports in recent days have painted a picture of Ukraine as being under the Black Plague or worse. Pittsburgh Swine Flu “mapper” Dr Henry Niman had earlier predicted that H5N1 Avian Flu would mutate into a deadly human-to-human pandemic. It didn’t.
Niman’s map of the spread of alleged H1N1 Swine Flu since April has given the WHO, the US Government and CNN and major media a convenient graphic to create the image of a new type of “bubonic plague” threatening mankind unless we react with massive doses of untested vaccines from Big Pharma. .
Early on Niman reported about events in Ukraine: “The rapid rise in reported infections, hospitalizations, and deaths in the past few days raise concerns that the virus is transmitting very efficiently…the spike in fatalities and the frequency in hemorrhagic cases in Ukraine have raised concerns.” Niman added the alarming note, “The number of infected patients has almost doubled to just under ½ million, compared to the report two days ago.”
That’s pretty scary stuff. It conjures images of the reports of the Black Death in 1348 which is said to have killed up to 60% of Europe’s population. Though that history has been challenged, the image as well as the equally terrifying if incorrect panic image of the so-called Spanish Flu of 1918, are being applied in Ukraine.
Exact information about what is really taking place in Ukraine is far from easy. The country is one of the most politically complex and economically distressed states in Europe. One possible hypothesis, yet to be verified, emerges from the writings of Dr Lawrence Broxmeyer MD.
Broxmeyer suggests that the WHO and CDC wish to divert attention from a worldwide epidemic of tuberculosis, while focusing attention on flu instead. Indeed recently the WHO changed its categories of causes of death to lump death from influenza in the same group as death from tuberculosis and other pulmonary disease. Given the present Swine Flu hysteria, any pulmonary death seems to be reported as “death from H1N1 influenza.” In a passing note the report typically notes the patient also suffered from lung problems.
Broxmeyer states, “Both the World Health Organization (WHO) and the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are fully aware of a far more serious and ongoing tuberculosis Pandemic in the world today. Yet they choose to downplay the link, disregarding the similar flu-like symptoms tuberculosis often begins with. WHO freely admits that there were approximately 1.8 million deaths from tuberculosis in 2007, the most recent year for which data are available as well as that presently about one-third of the world’s population, or two billion people, carry the TB bacteria.”1
Broxmeyer suggests that there is an underestimation of tuberculosis deaths using “flu” as the diversion: “Khomenko’s 1993 study showed that the explosive contagiousness of just such influenza-like forms of tuberculosis are exactly the stuff that previous epidemics and pandemics could have been made of… But back in the US, the CDC and NIH seem to feel differently, ignoring everything but “the virus”. There was much the same “Influenza” talk when in 1990, a new multi-drug-resistant (MDR) tuberculosis outbreak took place in a large Miami municipal hospital. Soon thereafter, similar outbreaks in three New York City hospitals left many sufferers dying within weeks. By 1992, approximately two years later, drug-resistant tuberculosis had spread to deadly mini-epidemics in seventeen US states, and was reported, not by the American, but the international media, as out of control. Viral forms of swine, avian and human TB can be transmitted from one species to another.”2
He points to the similarities between the onset of the much-cited 1918 “Spanish Influenza” epidemic and that of today. However, as Broxmeyer notes, “a Press Release, issued on August 19, 2008, by the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), contains a striking finding and conclusion: The 20 to 40 million deaths worldwide from the great 1918 Influenza (”Flu”) Pandemic were NOT due to “flu” or a virus, but to pneumonia caused by massive bacterial infection.” 3
Reports of low flying aircraft spraying in regions of Ukraine where outbreaks and lung-related deaths reportedly took place cannot be verified. What is clear however is that there is no scientifically rigorous proof of deaths or diseases that can be labeled H1N1 Influenza A in Ukraine.
Reality check?
The WHO, the organization responsible for declaration of the H1N1 Pandemic last summer, allowing governments like the USA and Ukraine to declare martial law and a national state of emergency, suspending all rights and imposing arrests and detentions, has validated the dubious Ukraine claims of out-of-control spread of Swine Flu. A WHO press statement November 3 declared, “Laboratory testing in Ukraine has confirmed pandemic H1N1 influenza virus in samples taken from patients in two of the most affected regions. As the pandemic virus has rapidly become the dominant influenza strain worldwide, it can be assumed that most cases of influenza in Ukraine are caused by the H1N1 virus.”
The WHO added, “The outbreak in Ukraine may be indicative of how the virus can behave in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, particularly in health care settings typically found in Eastern Europe. Given the potential significance of this outbreak as an early warning signal, WHO commends the government of Ukraine for its transparent reporting and open sharing of samples.” The samples have been sent to the WHO Mill Hill Influenza Reference Lab in London, not exactly inspiring confidence in a scientifically honest report given the record of UK health authorities in manipulating data to please the vaccine giants like GlaxoSmithKline. As of this writing, bizarre enough the WHO has yet to utter a single word of the test results at Mill Hill.
Nonetheless, WHO “strongly recommends early treatment with the antiviral drugs, oseltamivir or zanamivir, for patients who meet treatment criteria, even in the absence of a positive laboratory test confirming H1N1 infection.” That means Tamiflu, the highly dangerous drug whose major shareholder includes former Pentagon head Don Rumsfeld. And it means GlaxoSmithKline, maker of the rival Relenza drug.
Ukrainian election geopolitics
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
The bizarre developments in Ukraine over the past two weeks are being blamed inside the country on intense Ukrainian election politics. In four months national elections in Ukraine are due. Among rival candidates are Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko and her chief rival, Arseniy Yatseniuk.
Since Washington financed and organized the 2004 Orange Revolution that brought a pro-NATO Victor Yushchenko in as President, Ukraine politics has been a geopolitical tug-of war between Moscow and Washington. How the current political games around allegations of H1N1 panic play into that tug of war is not yet clear.
The recent speech in Warsaw by Vice President Joe Biden offering Poland and the Czech Republic a “new and improved” version of US anti-missile defense against Russia only four weeks after Obama announced the US was backing out of a controversial earlier missile defense plan for the two eastern European countries underscores the shambles of US strategic policy towards Russia.
Russia has been quick to take advantage as might be expected, as a US missile shield on its borders, as I detail in Full Spectrum Dominance: Totalitarian Democracy in the New World Order, gives the US a long-sought nuclear primacy over its only potential strategic rival on the planet. At that point the resistance of the rest of the world to incalculable or objectionable US policies, whether in Iraq, Afghanistan, Georgia or wherever, becomes moot.
It’s clear Moscow has been working quietly to bring Ukraine, an original part of Kiev Rus, and a strategically essential part of the Russian economy, back into a more friendly “NATO-free” relationship after five years of Orange Revolution chaos in Ukraine under Yushchenko. .
Yatseniuk, a 35 year old former banker and aide to Washington’s darling, President Viktor Yushchenko, has charged that Tymoshenko is deliberately fostering unnecessary panic in order to impose martial law and suspend elections that she might well lose to Yatseniuk.
There definitely are political games going on by one or another faction in the economically devastated Ukraine. Oleksandr Bilovol, Ukraine’s Deputy Minister of Health, claims the outbreak of flu cases in Ukraine has been essentially contained in 11 out of 25 Ukrainian regions, with the number of people allegedly stricken with H1N1 only 15% higher than figures reported in previous years. “Figures in other the regions are in line with 2007 and 2008,” Bilovol said. As well the number of reported deaths is also in line with deaths annually attributed to ordinary influenza.
Could it be the reports of Ukraine “Swine Flu” pandemic in Ukraine have more to do with the country’s geopolitical location?
Tymoshenko declared the outbreak as the threat of the third level – the highest possible – to unlock spending of up to 3 billion hryvnias to combat the swine flu. Among measures imposed by the decree include shutting down schools and public gatherings for three weeks across Ukraine, with the government also considering introducing restrictions on movement of people between the regions.
Yatseniuk said the ban on public gatherings spreads fear and panic helping Tymoshenko to promote herself on television, while hindering other presidential candidates to campaign.
Yatseniuk is Tymoshenko’s biggest rival as both compete for votes in western regions of Ukraine. He is perhaps the only candidate that may challenge Tymoshenko in the first round of vote on January 17, 2010 to enter the runoff with opposition leader Viktor Yanukovych.
Yatseniuk said the panic spread by the government helps overshadow issues politically damaging to Tymoshenko, including pedophile and the murder scandals involving Tymoshenko lawmakers, and
Ukraine’s dismal economic performance.
Prime Minister Tymoshenko, whatever the real facts of the case, is using the WHO Swine Flu panic scenario to the hilt. In a recent statement, she stated, “We cannot relax even for a moment because the World Health Organization predicts two more waves of flu, including the bird flu, are expected in Ukraine. There is no alternative to vaccination. The entire world is going this way…” A day earlier she admitted she was not vaccinated and that she prefers “like all other people” plans to rely on garlic, onion and lemon as a way of preventing the flu.
Ukraine Parliament Speaker Volodymyr Lytvyn accuses Tymoshenko as well, declaring, “You’ve organized the flu epidemic in order to avoid responsibility for not supplying heat to houses, schools, higher educational establishments, and kindergartens,” he said in Parliament. And Orange Revolution President, Yushchenko has declared there was no reason for declaring an emergency in Ukraine. “There are no such reasons,” Yushchenko said. “I am not a supporter of measures that freeze the country, restrict its operation to levels that is hard to justify.”
Ihor Popov, Deputy Chief of Staff to Yushchenko, said that in case of emergency the election, which is due on Jan. 17, 2010, would have to be “rescheduled.”
Germany joins Swine Flu corruption
Not only is the Ukrainian government apparently using fears of Swine Flu pandemic to change the domestic political calculus, and President Barack Obama using the fears to impose an unnecessary state of emergency. Now it comes out that the responsible German health authorities are caught in a corrupt conflict of interest with the very pharma giants profiting from government decisions on “anti-swine flu” vaccines.
The recent issue of the German weekly Der Spiegel, reports that members of the European Scientific Working Group on Influenza (ESWI), which claims to be an independent scientific advisory body advising EU member governments on policies regarding H1N1 influenza, is anything but independent.
It’s being financed by Big Pharma. ESWI claims it brings together scientific “key opinion leaders in influenza.” However the sole financial backers are 10 pharmaceutical companies, including GlaxoSmithKline — manufacturer of the German swine flu vaccine — and Roche — producer of the antiviral drug Tamiflu.
The group lists Walter Haas as one of its scientific advisors. Haas coordinates Germany’s flu pandemic preparedness measures at the Robert-Koch-Institut (RKI), the federal institute for disease research. ESWI portrays itself as an independent group of scientists. But even the organization’s own statute tells a different story, describing its role as advising politicians and health authorities on “the benefits and safety of influenza vaccines and antivirals” and initiating “a policy for antiviral provisions.”
The degree of fraud, deceit, official coverup and outright criminal endangerment of the broad population by the current Swine Flu hysteria is seemingly without precedent.
Notes
1 Lawrence Broxmeyer, MD, The Swine Flu (aka ‘H1N1) That’s Not A Flu At All, accessed in http://www.rense.com/general88/flu.htm.
2 Ibid.
3 DM Morens et al. Predominant role of bacterial pneumonia as a cause of death in pandemic influenza: Implications for pandemic influenza preparedness. The Journal of Infectious Diseases DOI: 10.1086/591708 (2008).
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November 18th, 2009 at 10:28 am
If this bubonic plauge reaches America, which in most cases it most likely already has, then blame this whole thing on the BLACKOUT MSM for they are not listening/reporting real news to the grassroot.
Q Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzQBiiwo09g
PROOF THAT H1N1 VACCINE IS BIO WEAPON….NOT A JOKE WATCH!!!!
It's Fake Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
A Bioweapon. Your a joke. The bioweapon is a fail. I live in Ukraine and their are more people scared than dieing. They say 1million infected. FAIL. Nobody here knows anyone infected. Name the people infected. EXACTLY. IT’s fake just like the USA pandemic emergency is fake.
Q Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
so i presume you got the Vaccine…am I correct?
It's Fake Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
No vaccine. Never. Ukraine rejected the H1N1 before this outbreak. Sorry it took so long to get back to you, it’s hard to use the internet.
yes GET YOUR SHOTS Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
DONT FORGET YOUR SHOTS
http://www.soundclick.com/band.....dID=926608
YUMMY YUMMY SWINE FLU I NEED SOME STICK THE ARM SMILE CAMERA DATAMINING
LOL NATION WORLD OF ZOMBIES LOST COMPREHENSION THINK SLOW THE CHEMTRAILS
BREATH SLAVE BREATH
kp Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
did you even read this article.
It's Fake Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I live in Ukraine, there is no pandemic here. I see it on the news and everyone is scared, but nobody knows anyone that is infected. There is supposed to be 1million infected. Where are those people. There is an election coming soon. That’s why. Swine flu=fail plague=fail. The only reason i can think is to fear mongure for a New World
It’s just like the USA. they say there are schools closing. Name those schools. Name the people dieing from it. EXACTLY. IT’S ALL FAKE
in the woods Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
me an the wife had the pig flu anyway thats what doc. said, on a scale 1 to 10 as flu goes it was a 3. WHAT WAS FUNNY the Doc said they stop doing the test to make sure what it was.
Blown Way Out of Proportion Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
You’re right.
Mostly to enrich the pharma companies.
Jeff has an article on the left hand side of the home page that states Barack Obama has stock in Baxter!
Lying scum politicians will play the whores for the drug cartel before they tell the American people the truth.
doug Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Secret plan to chip every man woman and child
http://endtimesdeception.blogs.....e-flu.html
MeJane Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
yup – all these diseases that JUST APPEARED OUT OF NOWHERE
MeJane Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
OUT OF NOWHERE
MeJane Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SORRY PEOPLE — WAS TRYING TO SAY THAT THESE EUROPEAN DISEASES HAVE THE MARK OF GERMS MADE IN A LAB – DO THEY THINK THEY’RE FOOLING ANYONE?
in the woods Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
make the germ sale the shot sounds like the mafia
November 18th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Some of us are not afraid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OulwMZmhWow
November 18th, 2009 at 10:29 am
So this whole thing is BS?There is no plague over there? What about Moshe and where is he and was he full of crap?WTF is going on……………
The Truth Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Perhaps he was a plant?
matthew Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
If he wa a plant then he would of been a huge story on mainstream media, which he was not. You didn’t even here about it
It's Fake Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
That wasn’t the real Moshe. There is two. The guy arrested was like 45-50yr old and a college professor. The Real microbiologist is in his 70’s
It's Fake Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
It’s all propaganda to sell vaccinations. So get the shot or don’t get the shot. The only thing that will happen if you get the shot is the pharma gets more money, and you get sick for a week. Stop Crying. My belief is no shots. There’s nothing going on. If there was something going on, the USA would already have been under martial law especially with the H1N1 flase flage scare. Alex Jones is a fake. He prints any article he gets his hands on. It sells “Fall of the Republic” dvds.
November 18th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Troublemakers feed on trouble. Ordo ab chao.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:01 am
hi, i am from Slovakia, thats western neighbour of Ukraine- it´s rather calm everywhere. It´s funny, just today I read a story in news paper about the situation there – even the people pressumably hit hard by flu in these cities dont feel like it´s a big deal and are saying that media are hyping it.
So be at peace and resist the urge to stick a needle full of **** into your arm and you should do just fine!
Philip Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Thank you for the update, jasnohvizdec.
The Financial Elite in America want to panic the people into submitting to a “vaccine”.
With their control over the major media, it is not surprising that we get BS instead of investigative reporting. The latter can be hazardous to one’s career.
Flu Shots Prevent Nothing But Good Health! They are an absolute sham!!!
November 18th, 2009 at 11:04 am
[DON'T TAKE THE MARK]
Christians:
Remember, though a thousand fall on your left, and ten-thousand on your right- it is for your eyes alone.
I Should Have Taken The Blue Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I agree.
Don’t take the MARK.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:17 am
DEATH TO USA and ALL AMERICANS!
УМРИТЕ, СУКИ!
[from Ukrainian]
One Red Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Hey bud. I am a Ukrainian living in America. You are a fool to damn us all. Pull your head out of your ass.
1776 Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Continue to live in “America”, fool. You have nothing common with Ukraine, and know nothing about situation here, how US puppet ruining OUR country. Don’t name yourself “Ukrainian”, because you don’t deserve it, brainwashed clown.
Philip Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
You don’t have a “US puppet” ruining your country, but most likely an internationalist dupe.
I live in America, and we have about as much control over who gets “elected” as you do,
if you indeed have a “puppet”.
Bush Sr. was a “puppet”. Clinton was a “puppet”. Bush Jr. was a “puppet”.
And we have a “puppet” in the White House now, as you condemn our nation in your hate inspired posts.
They are tools of internationalists bent on creating a one world government. They are not Americans.
Just before September 11th 2001, I had the pleasure of meeting some young women from Russia and the Ukraine. We became friends and went places together. They were a delight to be with.
You do your country no favors behaving the way you are here; and I know better than to judge all Ukrainians by what you have written at this site.
You may have a “puppet” ruining your country, but he’s not an American puppet.
And the “puppet” in the White House is not an American either. Just a tool.
Get a grip on the political situation in your country before you condemn 300 million people, most of whom you haven’t even met.
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Actually, president of Ukraine is supported by US and he is US puppet.
OK, CFR puppet.
What is the difference?
Philip Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Starina, our country has been hijacked by criminals who have contempt for our Constitution.
“CFR puppet” is a better choice because they represent the internationalist / alien form of
government that has usurped the Laws of this nation and inserted their minions in high
offices throughout the land.
They keep the people of this nation at war with each other using their fake “two”-party system.
And they keep breathing life into their sham system by way of the major media which is in their
control.
Also using their stooges in neoconservative talk radio (Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck, etc.) and
their colleagues on the fake alternative left.
Without these buffoons entertaining millions of people instead of telling them the truth,
the “War on Terror” would have less support than it does now.
As it is, the globalists have their international slavery machinery in a higher gear because they know that a lot of people are waking up to their treachery. One of the main reasons they are so determined to “vaccinate” us all.
One Red Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
1776, you are nothing more than an angry sheep pissing into the wind. You know nothing of who I am or what I know. You think you can deny my ancestors with a comment on the internet? Keep pissing into the wind and see who is the fool. I fart in your general direction and laugh at your simple minded comments. You waste your energy trying to fight with me instead of those who pull the strings of power. In the end you will die as prey. See you in HELL!
1776 Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Russia/Ukraine/Belarus – Kievan Rus FOREVER!
We don’t need american scum, sons of EVIL, on our lands.
Russia/Ukraine/Belarus is a last FREE part of the World, which always will fight against EVIL.
Remember it, scum!
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Yeah right …
Ever come to your mind to pass the ammo when one needs it?
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Ukraine was selling weapons to NWO puppets like Croatia, using route through Hungary.
They sold all those radioactive AK-47 from stockpiles near Chernobyl.
Danny Cunnington Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
That’s bollocks StarinaNovak. We got all the stuff off bases inside Hungary that were formerly Russian in 1990. The only other stuff was 600 s---ty old Aks from the Hungarian police. Maybe they got other stuff from elsewhere, but out of Hungary they only got small arms and lots of ammo from the retreating soviet bases.
There’s no way that trucks full of stuff came out of Ukraine because it would have been spotted and the railway gauge changes at the border… As you should know.
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 7:17 am
One train could easily pass borders.
Weapons from Ukraine was slightly radioactive, and each weapon and each round had imprinted point of origin among other things, and there is no confusion about that.
Weapons came from Ukraine, but merchants might not be Ukrainans at all.
Jazzcat from Russia Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Sorry, guys. It was not right of 1776 to say that. True, we don’t need americans on our lands as conquest army, but no one really think you are EVIL. Not always bright maybe, but generally good people. Same as we are.
Зачем позоритесь, братцы? Пора бы уж за голову взяться, а не бельё грязное на публике полоскать. Все мы в одной лодке. Так качественно как Алекс собрать и систематизировать информацию ни один из наших соотечественников так и не смог. Надо уважать и учится а не материться почём зря. Гуртом батьку надо бить а не грызтся друг с другом. Лады? Или я на сексота красноречие трачу?
One Red Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Every country has people who do not think. I am proud of my Ukrainian ancestors. Just because 1776 lives in the Ukraine now does not give them the right to deny my heritage. I am not in the US army. I am not trying to take over the country. I have no evil intentions toward the Ukrainian country. 1776’s comments are blatantly absurd. Picking a fight with me is ridiculous since I have no position of power. 1776 wants to kill people with the same blood? This individual has anger for a heart . . . has completely lost their mind. If their mother went to America they would have to be killed too? How can anyone be so stupid? The bankers make profit from wars. The US people do not make the profit. 1776 should get mad at the source of the problem . . . but it must be beyond their ability to think. I feel sorry for people like this. They shout loudly to make bigger fools each time they post.
Jazzcat from Russia Reply:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:40 am
1776 have pain in his soul, and don’t have wisdom and wit to really do anything about it. It’s very difficult to reach out to such folks. He like cat with cans tied to its tail. We all need show some patience and compassion, not to shout and quarrell with them.
One Red Pill Reply:
November 20th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Thank you for telling me. I usually don’t get mad but 1776 wants me to die. I do not like how the USA acts toward the rest of the world but it is not my fault. Everyone thinks Americans have a voice in our government but we do not. The wealthy and well connected make the decisions just like everywhere. Nice to hear from you.
duh Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 7:34 am
shut up ya little college punk living in mommyand daddies basement
kebcreation Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
It is not about one nation it is about humanity. We are all affected by this bio attack which I think it is whether released in an area or manipulating people to take a shot. Welcome to CDC global governance. Stop bickering amongst yourselves and use your energy to expose these mad scientists masquerading as health professionals and soft killing us.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Hey Spiritblade…what if they come around to your secure little mountain hamlet (so close to denver)
and make you take the shot. Where you gonna go?
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Show them how their investment in my training, paid-off.
Next question?
Good Answer Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Spiritblade, do you believe that there was “only one shooter” at Fort Hood?
Is Major Hasan a “patsy”?
SPIRITBLADE Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Hard to believe only one shooter.
i’ve been in a couple fire-fights, that many lethal ‘hits’ are highly irregular.
Either the ‘major’ was a true manchurian,(ie; not effected by his surroundings)- or there were more than one shooter.
Way too many rounds accounted for. Whereas again, a manchurain-tool COULD POSSIBLY reload that-much, the ODDS lie with more than one gun.
Not Fooled by the Media Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Thank you, Sir, for your response.
“…that many lethal ‘hits’ are highly irregular.” Even though I don’t have a military background, that was one of the first things that came to my mind.
Looks like it was planned (at least in part) to keep the “War on Terror” going forward.
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 7:21 am
13 kills out 43 men hit using just hand gun is much better ratio than one that can be obtained in real combat situation.
43 hits requires 43 rounds and couple of reloading.
Either he did not miss or he was not alone.
He was army psychologist not special forces instructor.
There has to be more shooters.
FreedomSeeker Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
My friend lives on base there. There were more than one shooter. There were 2 other shooters. They are 2 of the rest that were killed.
funloving Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 12:04 am
That is a good one…made me grin
November 18th, 2009 at 11:43 am
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I took the time to build an area within my own business website where you can educate yourself by watching in Highest Quality full versions of Alex Jone’s and other’s DVD’s. A great place to start if your new or old and want to learn about the New World Order.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am
1776, your opinion doesn”t “fit” into the new paradigm that is unfolding among a myriad of “awakened ones” around this beautiful planet of ours. The desire to kill and ravage your fellow man WILL NOT be permitted among the group of said “awakened ones” that will, in time, emerge victorious over the furtive plan of you WARMONGERS. I strongly “feel” that you should find the nearest “corner” and start praying over yourself….you obviuosly have an “anger issue”…blatantly obvious…this “attitude” again, will not fit into the new paradigm shift….man’s hearts and minds changed, elevated to “the fatherhoodof God” and “the brotherhood of man” . Please, for your own sake…..find the nearest “prayer corner”…nuthin but love for ya’
Vinny Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Man, give up all this bulls--- about myriad…you guys are WAY out there and over the top…quit taking those pills
November 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
finally an truthful article featuring a high degree of common sense.
trex Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
as is always with f William Engdahl
November 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
In line with this interview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0JqQyl09zQ
November 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Rumor has it that martial law will be declared by Obama on Dec. 31st as reported by a border agent who had recieved a briefing and of their termination. Any news to the legitimacy of this? It will be blamed on the pandemic flu as a reason to disarm our people.
Google the video.
November 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
No flight or other travel out of the Ukrain until there is a handle on this, Quaratine all of them in their country so it does not spred into the US.
Eveyone should send this message to Dept. Homeland Security NOW
November 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
The New World Order is coming—and Obama is trying to position himself to be the ruler of the world.
Make sure you know the threats, and how the New World Order–global government–is right around the corner if we don’t stop it now!
See the new article at http://onlibertyandfreedom.blogspot.com
Freedom is become endangered!
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Ruler of the world? He is just a clerk…
November 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Hey guys…uh..ok..so your chance of dying from this “Pneumonic Plague” are like 1 in 4500…so don’t panic folks.
November 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
How long and How many bad reports before
we learn the lesson – We need to form opposable non violent
coalitions Using Obama’s own words that can
move policies for real… http://www.bailoutmainstreetnow.com this will take some hard work
but people have to start by adding positive contributions
so that we can effect real change
November 18th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
6,000,000,000 (rough estimate of earths population)
Divided by your number 4,500 =1,333,333 people dead…and if they don’t infect animals which can also spread a (bacteria) plague…yea your chances of being out of the loop are pretty good but regardless that’s still a lot of people…”There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.” Mark Twain.
November 18th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
I know that we as Americans are terribly concerned with our current situation. But let us not forget that we should support those in other countries that are suffering through these same NWO attacks on freedom.
November 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Hmmmm….Alex Jones inventory of herbal vitamins must not be selling to well.
Nice scheme Alex.
This is all a big contrived Alex Jones boogeyman hoax.
Ever hear of the saying “s--- happens” well…
Flu happens.
Morons……….
The Spammer Isn't Wearing Any Clothes Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Just the same BS every post.
Not a brain cell of independent thought.
November 18th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Pollish Health Minister Dr. Ewa Kopacz is being threatened with a lawsuit for her opposition to the Swine flu vaccine in Poland. Watch the video and read the article on http://flureports.blogspot.com
November 18th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
michael…. not meaning to stir things up but every time i see this post and others like it, well it just burns me so. i hope this won’t be deleted….. you all still think so well of good old yoti…. don’t you realize what happened? he ripped off hundreds of people… he was a con-artist and thief, he took their money and never delivered the goods…. he had several good friends that tried to preserve his good name and keep him out of prison for such charges as mail fraud, grand theft etc… these people put out their own money and had dies, molds etc made and delivered to many of you that good old yoti burned. i for one hope he’s not shooting and enjoying his ill gotten gains… had his friends not stepped in he was well on his way to being someones “girl friend” for the next twenty or so years. i for one hope to never see or hear of him in this sport or any other ever again as he was most certainly that one bad apple… people can speak of such hard times he had with job, injury, divorce etc most all of us have had hard times but he knowingly choose his path….. yes he and i had “problems” that was why i repea tedly attacked him so in these forums and made the nasty comments i did so often… but it did get me most of what was owed… i for one choose not to have his friends make good for my loses…. the person that really deserves your thanks for all the great information in these forums isn’t the likes of old yoti but rather the work, money and efforts of people like michael.
thanks for letting me vent and i do hope you will let this stay, people need to know where the credit is due.
mike
November 18th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPjKVb3Fo8s
November 18th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Hmmmm….Alex Jones inventory of herbal vitamins must not be selling too well.
Nice scheme Alex.
This is all a big contrived Alex Jones boogeyman hoax.
Ever hear of the saying “s--- happens” well…
Flu happens.
Morons……….
November 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Hmmmm….Alex Jones inventory of herbal vitamins must not be selling too well.
Nice scheme Alex.
This is all a big contrived Alex Jones boogeyman hoax.
Ever hear of the saying “s--- happens” well…
Flu happens.
Morons……….
November 18th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Someone needs to start asassinating these NWO f--- heads.
Whoever bags one would be a patriot that would go down in American history as one of the “new” founding fathers.
Guaran f---ing Teed.
One well placed round would make these little motherf---ers think twice and know we mean business and are NOT f---ing around anymore.
November 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
No… flu does NOT happen Moron! Even the most brain dead have figured out that H1N1 was made in a lab and also the flu in Ukraine. I’d do a bit of resarch before you say something because your comment is really embarrasing. Other-wize go take the Swine flu shot…like the other sheeple who think Govt is there to look after you and help.
http://theflucase.com/
November 18th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
This is the moment of truth for Alex Jones.
He either exposes the NWO right now for 9-11 and brings them down……..or he remains silenced forever for being a “quack” as the ADL and the NWO will most surely make him out to be.
Alex, they have you in a quandry here, expose them now as you should to save your own life, or go along and be sheep dipped in every news outlet worldwide by them.
You played with fire Alex and now they are going to burn you because you are expendable.
This is the moment of truth Alex.
What will you choose?
Johnny Canuck Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Wha? Have you not seen the myriad of movies AJ has put out on this very subject? Have you not heard him ranting every effing day on his show? Je ne Comprendre!
November 18th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Most don’t want swine flu shot (mainstream media)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH.....index.html
November 18th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
I have read several of these posts before…word for word on other articles about the Ukranian Situation. Its a Fake i know has reposted the exact same comments.
November 18th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Am not entirely sure what Engdahl is getting at re tuberculosis. Tuberculosis takes months if not years to kill someone. The presentation, symptoms and clinical course are much different than flu. Yes tuberculosis is one of the three largest infectious disease killers and will kill over an estimated 1 million people this year, likely more many times over than swine flu and influenza combined. But what is happening in Ukraine has nothing to do with tuberculosis. These deaths have occurred in a matter of weeks if reports are to be believed. Besides, Tb can be diagnosed with a simple sputum swab and as Tb is a concern in Ukraine as elsewhere doctors would be on the look out for it. Finally, Tb is not “virally” infectious in the same manner as epidemic influenza so a Tb outbreak wouldn’t suddenly spike a million new cases. Maybe politics is behind the reports coming out of Ukraine but not sure what Engdahl is talking about regarding tuberculosis
Paul
http://healthjournalclub.blogspot.com/
November 18th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
1776 has a point.
In the rest of the world, the US is seen as a warmonger country that get it’s nose in each self-determined country, whose arm is the CIA and the bankers.
True or not, it’s the image of the US outside their borders. It’s your job to change that image, not ours.
One Red Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
1776 is pointless. He says “Death to America.” Stole that from bin Laden! Anyone who hates everyone in an entire country is a loser. Just another angry idiot who does not see the whole picture.
StarinaNovak Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 7:25 am
“Anyone who hates everyone in an entire country is a loser.”
That pretty much describes average US citizen. To the letter!
November 18th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
You are wrong. While the assholes at Goldman Sachs give all Jews a bad name, they don’t speak for the whole of the Jewish people any more than the Christian Right Wing dickfaces in C Street speak for YOU or the majority of Christians. If you don’t remember Nazis and genocide were what we fought AGAINST. Because first they come for the Jews, and then they come for you. History teaches that lesson again and again. Wake up and stop giving them their divide and conquer victory. This is not about Jews, Christians, etc. It is about US versus THEM. Working people, versus elites who care little for anything but their own profit gain and enslaving working people. And guess what asshole, there are plenty of those people who are Christians, Arabs, Chinese! Wake up or they will have us fighting each other instead of them.
One Red Pill Reply:
November 18th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Right on!
November 18th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Hide your guns and ammo?
November 18th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Is this the best you got?
November 18th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
…well, attachments were in the emails I sent.
November 18th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Looks like the side effects of the mercury infused poison is worse than the flu itself. My wife and I recently went to the OB for a sonogram. When we refused to take the H1N1 we were treated as if we were those “moronic conspiracy people who don’t believe in modern medicine” and practically laughed at by the doctor.
Better her than us.
Check out this insanity. Don’t let your babies get infected by the poison!
http://www.hardrite.com/2009/1.....ury-limit/
November 19th, 2009 at 4:33 am
a friend of mine has a girlfriend from and living in kiev. she said it’s probably about the elections. she said she saw a bunch of people wearing masks on the street, but no sick people, and that at mass political rallies no one was wearing a mask. I sort of think they DID spray, but that it’s another FAILED BIOWEAPON like in Mexico and USA, and that they’re going ahead as if it had worked.
November 19th, 2009 at 4:44 am
To add further, on MSM TV this morning a well-known Celeb Doctor has done a complete U-turn in respect of the vaccines: last month he was recommending it to everyone and this month he says it has proved so far to be unneccessary. He says he is aware he is going against Government guidelines but is now NOT recommending it. His report also stated a Govt concern over the lack of people coming forward to get their vaccines. It states people are either not convinced about it’s safety or do not think it is neccessary due to the mildness of the virus. People ARE waking up.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:29 am
OPEN LETTER TO ALL CORPORATE MEDIA JOURNALISTS
http://www.wordmworld.net/unca.....ournalists
November 19th, 2009 at 5:29 am
just so happens this morning i seen on the buffalo ny news a boy died from a mix of swine and mrsa , its strange that they were from the UK
November 19th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Plague? What plague? Yahoo News has no search results for “Ukraine Plague”
http://news.search.yahoo.com/s.....=1&fr=
November 19th, 2009 at 10:56 am
No matter what they are doing now, it is a distraction from what is to come, they don’t want millions knocking on the door of their cave when this arrives:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wPwGX3EnDWc
November 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Some will say “never mind I don’t care!” others might say “whatever” but I say “http://flureports.blogspot.com” That is where divine wisdom and knowledge on the Swine Flu Pandemic awaits. If you’re reading this, then it is your destiny to go there and watch the videos that expose it all!
SwineFluMommy Reply:
November 19th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
You mean to tell me that it is in my destiny to go to http://flureports.blogspot.com ? Ok I guess I’ll go check it out. Thanks
November 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Alex Jones, viewed by many as a prominent 9/11 truth movement figure, has recently promoted the ‘birther’ position by featuring a story on the subject at his website Prison Planet and having Berg as a guest on his show to talk about the issue. While Jones is more widely known for the extreme libertarian views he espouses on his daily radio show, many of those involved in 9/11 truth consider him to be one of the movement’s most important advocates.
One might argue that if Alex Jones promotes 9/11 truth that the benefit of the exposure he is able to achieve outweighs the potential negative effect his other interests might have on the movement. Many argue that ‘all press is good press.’ However, in the case of Alex Jones, not only does this appear to be a foolish assumption, but his promotion of the ‘birther’ issue stands in stark contrast to the founding principles of 9/11 truth movement.
We have clearly seen in the past that Alex Jones is used by the mainstream media to undermine the movement, most recently when he was identified as being a potential influence on the Pittsburgh police shooter. One might argue that the movement gets this kind of treatment all the time, and yet you don’t see less ideological figures like Richard Gage, for instance, being tied to violence or extremism. It is certainly what Alex Jones advocates that makes him, and by association the 9/11 truth movement, a victim of such negative publicity.
In the case of his support for the ‘birther’ issue we should identify an even more obvious problem. As it is clear that the issue is based in fallacy, how are we to take seriously Alex Jones’ commitment to truth. Central to the credibility of the 9/11 truth movement is a strict adherence to the promotion of well founded, factual information. We make room for speculation within the realm of research. But prominent movement news is factual news. In contrast, we see here Alex Jones promoting an outright fallacy.
The 9/11 truth movement is a non-partisan effort. There should be no intent to restrict participation based on valid and tolerant political viewpoints. The problem with Alex Jones is certainly not his advocacy of libertarian values. However, it is absolutely antithetical to the core principles and integrity of the 9/11 truth movement to consider anyone promoting fallacy to be a leader. Many have expressed very strong concerns about the impact of Alex Jones on the movement. We can now add the promotion of blatant fallacy to that list.
For that reason I strongly encourage anyone concerned about this, supports and detractors alike, to seriously consider the role Alex Jones is playing in the movement at present, the impact his actions are having, and how we might, at the very least, encourage him to stick to the facts. And if he refuses to do so, we should consider distancing ourselves and our 9/11 related projects from him and his media.
Alex Jones can not be both a ‘birther’ and a ‘truther.’