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U.S. debt is losing its appeal in China
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Keith Bradsher
International Herald Tribune
January 8, 2009
HONG KONG: China has bought more than $1 trillion in American debt, but as the global downturn has intensified, Beijing is starting to keep more of its money at home – a shift that could pose some challenges to the U.S. government in the near future but eventually may even produce salutary effects on the world economy.
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At first glance, the declining Chinese appetite for U.S. debt – apparent in a series of hints from Chinese policy makers over the past two weeks, with official statistics due for release in the next few days – comes at an inopportune time. On Tuesday, the U.S. president-elect, Barack Obama, said Americans should get used to the prospect of “trillion-dollar deficits for years to come” as he seeks to finance an $800 billion economic stimulus package.
Normally, China would be the most avid taker of the debt required to pay for those deficits, mainly short-term Treasury securities. In the past five years, China has spent as much as one-seventh of its entire economic output on the purchase of foreign debt – largely U.S. Treasury bonds and American mortgage-backed securities.
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January 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
“And so castles made of sand fall in the sea, eventually” – Jimi Hendrix
January 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
There goes America if they call in those loans.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I made an observation.
The other day my friend and I had a discussion on how we found out about infowars dot com. He said he saw on his $ paper money “INFOWARS.COM” written on both sides. The letters were written on the edges (the empty spaces) as to not deface the paper money, yet prominent enough to get the person to check it out. Incidentally I found out about infowars on £ paper money in the exact same way!
Probably what the forefathers would be doing in our situation to wake people up (including ASKING OTHERS to do the same thing on the paper money too). As I said, it’s just an observation; I am not saying I am doing it myself nor am I asking others to do it.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
US loans probably will be called in, very soon, probably around the “21st or 22nd” – Powell. And America certainly can’t pony up. Revelation 20:7-9:
“Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. They went up on the breadth of the earth and SURROUNDED THE CAMP OF THE SAINTS and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.”
Where in the world is the “camp of the saints” I wonder? Could this be the coming crisis to “test the mettle” of Obama that Biden referred to?
The big October bailout was for China. Youtube it.
church-of-Christ.org
January 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Well put #1 HumanD…….the “castles made of sand” are those of the wishful thinking U.S. people.
January 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Thats what happens when people incessively buy useless crap fron China.. Ya get stuck with the bill twice.. They will call in the loans. And when the US dont pay up. ReD dawn cometh down the superhighway and they wont be playing Yankee doodle dandy.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I’d stick my foot up there Ass but I’m afraid my cheap
“Made In China”shoe might fall apart!
January 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Watch the 1979 movie Americathon. Just replace they wealthy “Native Americans” with the Chinese.
January 8th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
#4 your logic is flawed. you are referring to the time after the “thousand year reign of christ” which comes after the tribulation….after the battle at armageddon…..after the second comming….and the creation of the new Jerusalem. I’m pretty sure any bible thumper, boy touching catholic, or even atheist could tell you none of these things have happened. if you’re gonna spew bible prophecy please please please know what the heck you’re talking about.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Dog #4, you really messed that up. You have things all mixed up.
“Study to show thyself approved, rightly dividing the word”.
Get it together #4.
January 8th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
well america, its not china…there just moving up the totem pole and well you are just waiting there for something to happen, with your credit card debts and your glutony- you are pigs gobbling the world, backing up a nazi state like israel, but time will tell how things shall turn up…
china indeed is moving up and you will indeed face economic obliteration, and israel shall face a doom no other states has suffered…you will suffer
January 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
usually the physical damage caused by war, rather big bombs , as in knocking down buildings and bridges, tearing up roads, infrastructure in general, will boost the economy due to the needed rebuilding efforts, after it’s all over and the dust settles. i can think of one city in particular that the american military can start with in this country. i don’t think the majority of americans will be upset either. we can jumpstart the economy starting there. and when we’re
done rebuilding that city, how about we make it an official state.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
The recent explosion of trolls on the message boards has inspired me to make donations to infowars. You dumb shit trolls are so easy to spot even when you think your being crafty. For the next month Each time I see a post from a troll I pledge to buy $50 of dvd’s and and donate another $50 in money orders to infowars.
I will send $100 for each troll message and mail the orders in once a week.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Dream on fear mongers.
China only holds %20 of the debt held by foreigners.
The US is in bad shape due to the freaks but the rest of the world is WORSE.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.....ublic_debt
11 Go live in China for a while, idiot.
January 9th, 2009 at 4:37 am
Schiff has been predicting for years that this would happen. While Paulson had no idea. Look at this video that compares the two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTkAnp1-dK4
January 9th, 2009 at 7:20 am
2#
Phhhert. China was taken over by illuminist US interests long ago. You’ll be owing money to the illuminist run China. They wont call in the loans. They’ll enslave you with the debt. But its just another puppet show.
When I see Chinese influence here in AU. I know for sure its crappy US companies with shelfs there. THINK. Japanese cars, Korean Cars, Chinese goods. The US only allow in what it ALREADY owns into US markets. All these places have been taken over by your branch of illuminists. Or they wouldn’t be allowed to capture market share inside the US, Period.
January 9th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Its been said the root cause of evil in this world is AVARICE – love of money. With money comes power and control, take away the power of FIAT money through the corrupt PONZI scheme of the Federal Reserve and you take the wind out of the globalist sails –
Check out the Lakota Free Bank – first precious metals bank started by the Lakota Tribe – they are currently paying about 7-8% interest – they also encourage development projects – their motto is Value for Value – fair enough..
Also check out my documentary on the large protest in Kansas City against the Federal Reserve Bank on google video..
Type in – End The Fed – Kansas City Rally –
enjoy…
January 9th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Think of George Orwell’s 1984 as a blue print. If you think hard while reading the novel, you’ll get the uncanny felling that the three global “zones”, perpetually at war with each other, that are depicted in the story are actually all working with each other to keep ordinary people controlled, and the “party” (illuminists) are actually in total control of all the peoples of the world through economic means, terror, war, disease etc etc etc.. in the guise of OTHER POLITICAL GOVERNMENTS = only they offer the solution to what ever the threat is at the moment (BTW.. read the physical description of “Goldstein” in the book 1984, He is the evil, omnipresent but completely illusive terrorist in the story.. invented by “the party” as a tool for creating public obedience to government policy …now. .isn’t this the way you’d describe Osama Bin Ladin if you were asked to do so? THINK!)
This is what China is. During the seventies US illuminists started wooing the communist government veiled by the “bamboo curtain”. In the Eighties, we all new something was happening in China, some sort of renovation. US entrepreneurs were going there etc etc. And now China is not a truly communist country any more, right?
China is just a branch of the illuminist global effort to control the world now. Left, Right, Puppet, puppet. You gotta love Big Brother.. or else!
January 9th, 2009 at 10:00 am
I really don’t know if anything can or will be done, with all the turmoil going on in the world from U.S Policies. I mean the President in 1963 was assasinated, and the people responsible went off on there merry way, happily ever after. End of story. I can’t say much for myself because I, like most everyone think nothing can be done. The courts are all owned, by the skull and bones empire. all the news media, owned by the skull and bones empire.
What the country needs is a revolution, overthrow the government and set up a citizens counsil where nobody needs money to get on the counsil, people from across the country will be selected at random. You take away the money and power from politics, your left with a job to do, you got to cut off the fuel supply to any fire, money being the wood and power being the oxygen.
GOD BLESS Alex Jones, I try to do my part and make everyone aware, burn off alex jones movies and give them to the sheep.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Way to go #13!
Seriously, why would people spend all day posting on a website they actually didn’t believe in if they weren’t getting paid?
First they ignore you. Then they ridicule you. Then you win.
Keep it up, Alex and crew (and people like #13)!
January 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
The Chinksters, according to this article, are keeping their money at home. It’s time we did the same. Boycott China. Don’t shop at Slave-Mart. Stay out of the dollar stores. Check the country-of-origin label. I know Slave-made televisions are cheaper than anything else, but make a stand. Spend the extra hundred bucks to buy a TV or DVD player or whatever that is made in another country. Indonesia, South Korea, wherever. I still have two TVs that are made in the USA but they are nearly 20 years old.
We can’t do anything to stop the government from bowing down to China’s every demand, but we can take it upon ourselves not to buy their crap.
January 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Sounds like a great time for governments to back off and leave capitalism alone.
We need a separation of capital and state the way we have a separation of religion and state here in the US; it really is that simple.
Governments are only in the corruption business; they don’t support the gains of capital beyond tax revenues.
And also, how long can the US keep up these wars in foreign lands for oil? Where is that money coming from? Well, for all intensive purposes; it IS China.
And what happens when the US dollar fails? The dollar that backs even Hong Kong’s currency? We’re all in for a lot more trouble.
Corporations and regular citizens need to come together and realize that making deals with governments might get you ahead for a moment; but will ultimately bankrupt the industry you are in. The only people winning in all of this are warmongers, corrupt bankers like the Rothschilds, and a few greedy politicians.
http://mediacondom.com/?p=606
January 9th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Sorry #9 – But The Revolution Will Surely Be Televised!! But the 1000 year reign of Christ will come after Jesus returns and kicks the antichrist and the false prophet and the beast butt!! And as for China; she will invade us in the next 5 to 7 years !! But if we had a true Revolution in America; that might cause China and Russia to see an opportunity to attack us sooner!! And as for buying American; what does America manufacture anymore!!?? We have to change our laws to charge much higher tariffs and taxes and change our trade imbalances!! We are losing trillions of dollars to foreignors in trade!! And we should shut down all of the offshoring of our jobs and repeal NAFTA AND GATT and send all the Illegals home!! By force if necessary!! BUT THAT WON’T HAPPEN BECAUSE the antichrist beast system globalist need all of these things happening to bring about their draconian and evil and enslaving BEAST CHP SYSTEM!! Where they will chip everybody that has a pulse!! And only the Great God of Heaven will defeat them after it is proven who is on the Lords side when they martyr us!!
January 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Gee, Congress, how’s it feel to be told you’ve maxed out all the credit cards? Don’t worry, with an increasingly state-of-the-art military and 200 million men under arms, they’ll be driving up the NAFTA Superhighways to collect. Osama Obama, the first African president of America, wants to disarm us all, so you’ll have nuthin’ and nobody between you and the Chinese rolling in to DC; y’all better hat up and sky out for Grand Cayman, Andorra or wherever else you’ve stashed your grift and grarft. http://www.hawkscafe.com; search: The Lost Terror Drills Parts IIA and IIB.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Thank you #22. You said it!!
January 10th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
There’s no reason for us to be in debt – http://jones.shoutpost.com/441.....e-of-money
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
@ inforeborn: You seem like one of those people who snort up anything Alex Jones puts in front of them. Be careful with this site, it’s very one sided and absolutist. I love reading conspiracy theories and love the films about them, but I know that they’re only about 10% (at the most) true. I used to really enjoy reading Infowars and Prison Planet until I saw the ridiculous posts about Freemasonry and how it’s “the Devil”. That’s when I realized that he’s doing this to make a living and he had no information other than the regurgitation of Taxil’s Hoax and the founding of the illuminati society incident (where the guy dropped the papers).
March 15th, 2009 at 12:25 am
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