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US-Russian naval rivalries heat up over Black, Caspian, Persian Gulf seas
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DEBKAfile
September 8, 2008
DEBKAfile’s military sources report Washington is testing the Turkish government’s response to the permanent anchoring of US warships at either of the two Georgian ports of Poti or Batumi. This would be quid pro quo for Moscow’s interest in bases in Iranian Azerbaijan and the Persian Gulf.
Monday, Sept. 8, a NATO delegation was due in Georgia to evaluate damage to military structure following the five-day war with Russia last month. This is a further irritant for Moscow after the highly sophisticated American command vessel USS Mount Whitney docked in Poti Saturday.
Our sources report that the US anticipates a protracted period of tension with Russia for the following reasons:
1. US and NATO vessels will need safe coastal berths when the approaching winter storms strike the Black Sea. As time goes by, Turkey, which under international conventions controls the passage of naval vessels through the Dardanelles, will be under increasing pressure from Russia to block the waterway to NATO.
Already, Turkey fears it may lose its top trading partner, Russia. Since the outbreak of the Georgian crisis a month ago, Moscow has introduced new customs regulations which have backed up at checkpoints dozens of Turkish trucks carrying export goods. The predicted loss to Turkish firms is some $1 billion so far, a figure that would treble if Moscow continued its unacknowledged sanction up to the end of the year.
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2. A permanent base in a Georgian port is seen by US strategists as the quickest way to show the flag for Georgian president Mikhail Saakashvili without a frontal clash with Russia.
Washington sources argue that if Russia can maintain a large fleet base at the Crimean port of Sevastopol and a second at Abkhazia, there is no reason why America cannot maintain a permanent presence on the Black Sea too.
3. Washington is well aware of the talk in Moscow and Tehran in recent days about establishing Russian naval bases in Iran: Iranian Azerbaijan on the Caspian Sea and an Iranian-held island in the Persian Gulf.
The latter, if Moscow and Tehran reached agreement, would terminate US naval control of the Persian Gulf waters opposite Iran forces and drastically upset the balance of strength in the region. Washington’s response to this talk is its bid for a permanent Black Sea base.
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September 8th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
HEROES
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeDSAcegfU0
September 8th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
“HISTORY TEACHES US THAT IF YOU HAVE A LEADER EAGER FOR WAR,, YOU OFTEN GET INTENTIONAL OR ACCIDENTAL WAR…..”
HUMAN BEINGS ARE BIOLOGICAL, PSYCHOLOGICAL, SOCIOLOGICAL BUT NOT LOGICAL..
THE ARROGANCE OF POWER OF THE USA PRESSING, PRESSING, PRESSING RUSSIA….
the only people who want this are the rapture evangelicals and the neocons and their paymasters
who are scared and need more crimes to divert attntion away from past crimes….
September 8th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
The lengths that these megalomaniacs will go is utterly amazing! The Black Sea has always been under the control of the Russians. This is just another derogatory action by the criminals in my government (which has been taken over from within) to create fear and chaos in order to bring the one world government NWO. Like the film “Red October”, it’s a bad idea to have U.S. naval forces and Russian naval forces so close together. It seems like someone is begging for a new paradigm of fear to begin.
I wonder how much of this is being orchestrated by both the two powers to create a dialectic that will further enslave us? So far it looks like the U.S. has been the aggressor, but what if they are playing a role and Russia is doing the same? Anthony Sutton proved that the Soviet union was funded by Wall Street…and that the cold war was a dialectic to control the world’s people. Could not this current situation possibly be the same thing?
September 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pm
Well said #2 Dan Sheehan!
You are right, these UN-Godly peoples will bring about the Second-coming and Revelation at any cost!
Oh yeah, and they are doing the bidding of the JEWISH CRIMINAL SYNDICATE!
It’s nice to know that religious war can only be truly won in the MINDS of FREE people, and not trough the materialistic actions of the wicked!
I hate to single groups out, but we know for a fact that the Jews are up to something and literally are walking hand-in-hand with the evangelical Christians.
THAT IS REAL CONFLICT OF INTEREST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Long live the Republic and TRUE PATRIOTS!
WE WILL march on the streets of NY during the Anniversary!!!
The Jews can hind behind their actions no longer!
There’s a really big “white and blue elephant in the room.”
Problem is, nobody can see it except for us fellow Infowarriors!
Who’s got the Elephant Rifle when you need it, hey?
!Viva la Republic!
September 8th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Fvck you Cheney!
September 8th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
No, no this is brilliant, Russia has allied with Winter yet again. LOL. Winter will blow NATO out of the Black Sea. Tiring indeed! This is Napoleon’s defeat repeated on the water. So funny! Only Hubris would not see this coming.
September 8th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
BEAT the internationalists at their own game…….become debt free and learn the secrets of the rich from the very best!
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September 9th, 2008 at 2:52 am
Take out the religious overtones and claims to Jerusalem by the Orthodox, this is very similar to the prelude to the Crimean War in the 1850s.
By the way, Russia lost the naval battles, but then kicked the holy s--- out of the Ottomans and British on the battlefields.
I suppose “W’” was too f---in’ drunk at Yale when he was supposed to be studing history.
His other degree was an MBA from Harvard and all of his business enterprises went BUST,
except Arlington Texas, where he thieverized the county government and left with $ 10 M by selling the Rangers, leaving local taxpayers to pick up the tab.
The same s--- his brother Neil did in Colorado and McCain and Keating did during the S & L scam in the 1980’s.
I guess the moronic voting publicin Arizona would vote for a Gila Monster if it was a Republican.
Weird f---ing state…nice Canyons..
PS
Oh yeah, and of course 911 and the Iraq war have both been mucho bueno business for senor
Arbusto… The worthless necrophilc cocksucker….. VIVA BUSH
September 9th, 2008 at 7:56 am
#8 : Excellent post…. I cant stop laughing! Thanks :OD
September 9th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Yes this will probably be the place where World WAr 3 will start!! But don’t worry!! THE ONE WILL DEFEAT THE RUSSIANS AND THEY WILL ALSO ATTACK ISRAEL !! EVEN THOUGH ISRAEL IS RULED BY THE ANTICHRIST; GOD STILL LOVES THE NORMAL AND COMMON JEWS THAT ARE THERE!! And the antichrist will be dealt with later!! But right now; He has to defend Israel and America because OF THE CHILDREN THAT HE HAS HERE!! THAT KNOW HIM AND THAT KNOW HIS NAME AND THAT KNOWS HIS POWER!!!
September 9th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Obama voted AGAINST the Iraq invasion. He will prevent war with Iran. He MUST be elected or we’re doomed.
September 9th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Obama won’t stop any war that starts with the US Military attacking Iran, since he would get knocked off by the Jackals in the CIA and other agencies. The President is a spoofing pawn, and is controlled by extremely powerful people in the Illuminati. Obama is all mouth, just like the rest of the politicians.
September 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Caspian sea is a large land locked LAKE. That lake is surrounded by the following countries: Russia, Azerbaijan, Iran, Turkmenistan, and Kazakhstan. By definition, US navy cannot have any rivalry with Russian navy in that lake. The title of this article is misleading and there seem to be couple of spelling mistakes in there too. FYI.
September 9th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
you will fail, accept the new world order.
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September 9th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
hey TRUTHSEEKER! you are deceived to the max , stop being a fool, because if “OBOMO ” OR ” SON OF CAIN ” is voted for or elected, GOD WILL JUDGE THIS NATION REAL BAD. war will continue, period. you were warned. dino.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:36 am
Truth-seeker, he is another pawn, otherwise he would get the Ron Paul treatment by the commie press. When are people going to wake up and smell the coffee for Pete’s sake. WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:50 am
Also I might add, Barry Goldwater was the last true conservative to get the nomination for president. He scared the establishment so that they VOWED not to ever let it happen again where someone could ruin there agenda. Ron Paul is an example. They put their commie media on Goldwater showing a little girl picking flowers as nukes were going off over her head. He was demonized as a war-monger, and soon Lyndon “Bolshevic” Johnson won, putting us into the Viet Nam war. Does anyone learn or remember that disaster? Maybe football is more important I suppose. The day is coming when all you will think about is survival, I THINK.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Oh boy, Obama, another Marxist to be sure! Oh yea fools, he will fix he disaster alright. GET A CLUE ALREADY!!!
September 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
VVK #13:
Not yet, but there has been lotsa efforts to expand the US navy into that lake.
September 10th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I think US is pressing it’s luck here,it’s almost like daring Russia to do something about this
provacation and if you remember the Cuban Missile Crisis where US would not let the Russians build bases near our shores,I think they are feeling like we were feeling back then,they do not like it and it can lead to a wide scale war,even a nuclear confrontation down the road.
September 10th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
Would be interesting if Russia set up a base in Iran, and Turkey.
September 10th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
They probably will.
September 10th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Moses’ Mass Murder
“Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” (Numbers 31:16-18)
Moses commands the murder of approximately 100,000 young males and, roughly, 68,000 helpless women.
Consider women and children of your own family: No matter how sick they may lay, or how they may go against a religion, how would you feel if a man named Moses, claiming to speak for God, sent men into your house and hacked to pieces the women and male children? Also, how would you react if they spotted a female child, dragged her off with them to do as they please with her? Note that these innocent virgins served for their own sexual pleasures.
Midian, the land of the Midianites, did not reside in an area regarded as a natural enemy of Israel for centuries, and in fact lay hundreds of miles away from the Israelite encampment. Moses, himself, had lived in Midian as fugitive after committing his first murder. In short, Midian presented no threat to God’s “Chosen People.”
September 10th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Please stop using the words, Zionist and Neo-Con. Just call them “Criminal Jews” as that is what they are. Why confuse people. Let them know exactly what is behind those words. Jews blow. This is where all American’s problems originate. Watch http://www.911missinglinks.com ,watch it and try to prove the both of us wrong. Hurry though as some asswipe administrator for this site continues to remove posts with this link
But seriously,how was the copper wire invented? Two Jews found the same penny!
New Rock Band- Guns and Noses
September 10th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
The 10 Commandments of RON PAUL
Here’s where we get down to the nitty gritty, Infowars.
The Presidential Candidacy of Ron Paul was designed to neutralize opposition.
Let’s be real, people…
1) RP KNEW he would NEVER win as a Republican – he KNEW they would never allow him the nomination.
2) RP CONTINUES the charade of Christianity when any person with a mind capable of critical thinking knows the entirety of religion is a sham
3) RP REFUSED to speak out against 9-11. If it happened today, he might get away with the excuse that that he couldn’t clearly see those towers collapsed into their own footprint in a controlled demolition.
4) RP waited until it was far too late for any newcomer to enter the arena, he kept you hangin right until the last minute.
5) RP continues to associate with the republican party, even though he called the two party system a sham in his press conference today…
6) RP just STOLE all of your money and threw a big party in Minnesota which he made you pay to get into. Did you hear that Aimee Allen sing “Santeria” by sublime? LOL
7) RP uses freemasonic imagry like eagles and pentagrams in his promotional materials
9) RP speaks out on the Fed – So what. It’s like a Southern slave saying “Boy I’d like it if we could rid ourselves of this master” – Then does nothing about it
10) RP has many prominent masons working for him – they control his meetup groups and quell dissent.
All of you Patriots, Truthers and Honest Americans have just fallen for a giant scam, relieving you of your donations, your time and energy. As of today – YOU HAVE BEEN NEUTRALIZED AND WILL NOT AFFECT THE OUTCOME OF THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:37 am
witherspoon your right about all youve posted the incident in mexico was reported in the newspaper la vox de aztlan in october 10th 2001 they were armed with 9mm pistols,9 grenades,explosives,three detonators ,they were a former isreali colonel,and a mossad agent, were released do to american and isreali pressure from their governments, the news was surpressed here and worldwide and people think everything is fine, witherspoon we are in the biggest trouble since men ever thought to walk on two feet the rich jews are ready to put the chains on the whole human race and kill the rest and thats every person that thinks that they are not cattle (goyim) as the TALMUD describes all non-jews in the world. gods chosen people they are not, they were told by micheal ( THE DESTROYER) they were chosen by god to be punished time and time again until they changed their evil ways, thats where the version of gods chosen people came from,and their rabbis know it but it has been hidden by their elite rabbis for centuries, it seems that the truth has been twisted again by these world class trouble makers for the final showdown and this will make their hair turn white its not 666 but PPP you lairs and heavens judgement will unhinge your people!
September 11th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Post 25 Israel DID pass through Midian on their way to the promised land.
God in the OT had to be harsh to protect His people so we may not always agree with His ways, His ways are true and righteous and it is not for us mere foolish children to disagree.
They were surrounded all about with idolaters and people who would destroy them and they had to be protected by harsh means to keep them from falling prey to these predators
The Midianites that the Lord spoke of here carried disease and that was the cause of the plague amongst the Lord’s people. All who were unclean amongst the Midianites had to be destroyed.
God gave permission for the Israelites to take virgin girls to themselves if they so desired
However the innocent children who were killed are in heaven with God. God doesnt punish the innocent for their sins when they cannot be held accountible. I have said it before God killed the babies not to punish them but to punish their parents.
September 11th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
SO WHAT IS ALEX JONES BLOGS NOW!!! THE CHRISTIAN | GOD BELIEVING BASHING HEADQUARTERS!!! ALEX IS A CHRISTIAN… SO… IF YOU DON’T LIKE CHRISTIANS… MAYBE YOU SHOULD GO HANGOUT OUT AT ATHEIST.COM OR SOME OTHER SITE!!!
EVOLUTION IS A RELIGION!!! A HUMANISTIC SELF GLORIFYING TAX PAYER SUPPORTED RELIGION AT THAT!!! & IT’S FOLLOWERS FIGHT FOR IT WITH RELIGIOUS ZEAL & BELIEVE IT HAPPENED BY FAITH… SINCE NO SCIENTIST OR PERSON WAS AROUND TO SEE IT HAPPEN & THERE’S NOT ONE SHRED OF EVIDENCE TO PROVE IT EVER HAPPENED… THAT’S WHY IT’S STILL A “THEORY”!!! GET THAT PEOPLE A “THEORY”!!!
TAUGHT AS FACT OF COURSE… BUT STILL A “THEORY”
& THEY’RE PUSHING THEIR THEORIES & BELIEFS ON ALL OUR KIDS FROM PRE-K ALL THE WAY THROUGH COLLEGE… THEY SAY… YOU CAN’T TALK ABOUT YOUR BELIEFS… CAUSE IT’S RELIGIOUS BUT WE CAN PUSH OUR FAIRY TALE RELIGIOUS BELIEF SYSTEM ON PEOPLE… CAUSE IT’S SCIENCE… EVEN THOUGH A “THEORY” IS NOT REALLY SCIENCE… IT’S A BELIEF SYSTEM TO HOW WE ALL GOT HERE. NO EVIDENCE. NO DOCUMENTED OR SCIENTIFIC LABORATORY OBSERVED CONCLUSIVE PROOF… THEY’RE JUST PUTTING THEIR BIASED INTERPRETATIONS ON EXISTING & PROBABLY FUTURE EVIDENCE THAT ACTUALLY FAVORS AN INTELLIGENT DESIGNER… JUST ALLOT OF BIASED HYPOTHETICAL LIES REALLY!!!
THERE’S CRAP LIKE HAECKELS EMBRYO DRAWINGS THAT WERE PROVED TO BE FALSE (BY THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY) AROUND 1875 STILL IN SCHOOL & COLLEGE TEXTS BOOKS TO THIS DAY… THEN THERE’S PILTDOWN MAN… ANOTHER SCIENTIFIC HOAX TO TELL PEOPLE THAT THEY NOW HAVE PROOF OF EVOLUTION… THEN THERE’S THE PEPPERED MOTHS… PROPAGANDA EVERYWHERE ON TV & IN MAGAZINES SAYING ZILLIONS OF YEARS THIS & ZILLIONS OF YEARS THAT… THE GEOLOGICAL COLUMN | WE DATE THE FOSSILS BY THE ROCKS BUT WE DATE ROCKS BY THE FOSSILS THEY CONTAIN CIRCULAR REASONING BS… THE ELECTRICITY INTO A BEAKER LOOKING FOR THE BUILDING BLOCKS OF LIFE FAILED EXPERIMENT… THE EARTH IS FLAT… THE SUN REVOLVES AROUND THE EARTH… LIES LIES & MORE LIES…
NOW THERE’S THE $9 BILLION DOLLAR WERE GOING TO FIND THE GOD MOLECULE MACHINE… NOW THERE TRYING REALLY HARD TO VALIDATE THEIR DYING THEORY NOW…
IF A GIRL KISSES A FROG & IT TURNS INTO A PERSON QUICKLY… FAIRY TALE
IF THE FROG TURNS INTO A PERSON OVER ZILLION & ZILLIONS OF YEARS… SCIENCE | EVOLUTION
PRETTY PATHETIC IF YOU ASK ME
MYSPACE.COM/FREEHOVIND
September 13th, 2008 at 6:18 am
Russia claims that it wants a peaceful resolution. Russia claims to not want war with the US. Then Russia threatens the US if we establish US Naval Bases where Russia does not want them.
Russia is attempting to play the Jewish Victim Card.