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Vaccines Far More Deadly Than Swine Flu
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July 28, 2009
The vaccines far more deadly than the swine flu; mass vaccinations a recipe for disaster Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins
This report has been submitted to Sir Liam Donaldson, Chief Medical Officer of the UK, and to the US Food and Drugs Administration
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| Critics point out that the ‘vaccination experts’ are dominated by the vaccine makers standing to gain from the enormously lucrative vaccine and antiviral contracts awarded by governments. | |
Please circulate widely, with all the hyperlinks included, to your elected representatives, wherever you are
A swine flu outbreak occurred in Mexico and the United States in April 2009 and spread rapidly around the world by human-to human transmission. The new type A H1N1 influenza virus is unlike any that had been previously isolated [1, 2], judging from the first data released in May. It is a messy combination of sequences from bird, human and swine flu virus lineages from North America and Eurasia. A senior virologist based in Canberra, Australia, told the press he thought that the virus could have been created in the laboratory and released by accident [3]. Some even suggest it was made intentionally as a bioweapon [4], while others blame the intensive livestock industry and extensive trafficking of love animals over long distances, which provide plenty of opportunity for generating exotic recombinants [5]. But what worries the public most is the mass vaccination programmes governments are putting in place to combat the emerging pandemic, which could well be worse than the pandemic itself.
Watchdog opposes fast-track vaccine for school children
The US government is intending to vaccinate all children in September when school re-opens, and the country’s vaccine watchdog National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) has called on the Obama Administration and all state Governors to provide evidence that the move is [6] “necessary and safe”, demanding “strong mechanisms for vaccine safety screening, recording, monitoring, reporting and vaccine injury compensation.”
The US Departments of Health and Homeland Security had declared a national public health emergency in April soon after the swine flu outbreak. As a result, some schools were closed, people quarantined, and drug companies were given contracts worth $7billon to make vaccines that are being fast tracked by the Food and Drugs Administration [7]. That means they will only be tested for a few weeks on several hundred children and adult volunteers before being given to all school children this fall.
Furthermore, under federal legislation passed by Congress since 2001, an Emergency Use Authorization allows drug companies, health officials and anyone administering experimental vaccines to Americans during a declared public health emergency to be protected from liability if people get injured. US Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has granted vaccine makers total legal immunity from any lawsuits that may result from any new swine flu vaccine. And some states may make the vaccination mandatory by law.
The NVIC is asking whether the states are prepared to obey vaccine safety provisions in the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act, which include: 1. Giving parents written information about vaccine benefits and risks before children are vaccinated; 2. Keeping a record of which vaccines the children get, including the manufacturer’s name and lot number; 3. Recording which vaccines were given in the child’s medical record; and 4. Recording serious health problems that develop after vaccination in the child’s medical record and immediately making a report to the federal Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System.
NVIC also wants to know if the states are prepared to provide financial compensation to children injured by the swine flu vaccines, whether parents will be given “complete, truthful information about swine flu vaccine risks”, and have the right to say “no” to vaccination.
Co-founder and president of NVIC Barbara Loe Fisher said [6]: “Parents and legislators should be asking themselves right now: Why are children the first to get experimental swine flu vaccines? Are schools equipped to get signed informed consent from parents before vaccination, keep accurate vaccination records and screen out children biologically at high risk for suffering vaccine reactions? Will people giving these vaccines know how to monitor children afterwards and immediately record, report and treat serious health problems that develop? And will states have the financial resources to compensate children who are injured?”
WHO and mass vaccination fever
The mass vaccination order has come from the World Health Organization (WHO) [8]. In early July 2009, a group of vaccination experts concluded that the pandemic is unstoppable, and Marie-Paul Kieny, WHO director on vaccine research said all nations will need access to vaccines, and that a vaccine should be available as early as September.
Critics point out that the ‘vaccination experts’ are dominated by the vaccine makers standing to gain from the enormously lucrative vaccine and antiviral contracts awarded by governments. But the decisive argument against mass vaccinations is that flu shots simply don’t work and are dangerous [9].
Flu shots ineffective and increase risks of asthma
There are widely acknowledged reasons why flu vaccines won’t work, as already pointed out with regard to the much touted vaccines against the ‘pandemic bird flu’ that has yet to materialize [10] (How to Stop Bird Flu Instead, SiS 35). The flu virus changes quickly – even without the help of genetic engineering in the laboratory, and especially with the help of the intensive livestock industry – whereas the vaccines target specific strains. Furthermore, flu vaccination does not give permanent protection, and must be repeated annually; the vaccines are difficult to mass-produce, and some strains won’t grow at all under laboratory conditions.
Numerous studies have documented that flu shots give little or no protection against infection and illness, and there is no reason to believe that swine flu vaccines will be different.
A review of 51 separate studies in 2006 concluded that flu vaccines worked no better than a placebo in 260 000 children ranging in age from six months to 23 months [11]. A report published in 2008 found flu vaccines in young children made no difference in the number of flu-related doctor and hospital visits [12].
On the other hand, a study of 800 children with asthma found that those receiving a flu vaccine had a significantly increased risk of asthma-related doctor and emergency room visits [13]; the odds ratios were 3.4 and 1.9 respectively. This was confirmed in a report published in 2009, which showed children with asthma who received FluMist had a 3-fold increased risk of hospitalization [14]
Flu vaccines are equally useless for adults, including the elderly, giving little or no protection against infection or illnesses including pneumonia (see [9]).
Toxic adjuvants in flu vaccines
Vaccines themselves can be dangerous, especially live, attenuated viral vaccines or the new recombinant nucleic acid vaccines [10], they have the potential to generate virulent viruses by recombination and the recombinant nucleic acids could cause autoimmune diseases.
A further major source of toxicity in the case of the flu vaccines are the adjuvants, substances added in order to boost the immunogenicity of the vaccines. There is a large literature on the toxicities of adjuvants. Most flu vaccines contain dangerous levels of mercury in the form of thimerosal, a deadly preservative 50 times more toxic than mercury itself [9]. At high enough doses, it can cause long-term immune, sensory, neurological, motor, and behavioural dysfunctions. Also associated with mercury poisoning are autism, attention deficit disorder, multiple sclerosis, and speech and language deficiencies. The Institute of Medicine has warned that infants, children, and pregnant women should not be injected with thimerosal, yet the majority of flu shots contain 25 micrograms of it.
Another common adjuvant is alum or aluminium hydroxide, which can cause vaccine allergy, anaphylaxis, and macrophage myofascitis, a chronic inflammation syndrome, In cats, alum also gives rise to fibrosarcomas at the site of injection [15]. Numerous new adjuvants are no better, and could be worse. According to a recent review in a science and business pharmaceutical publication [15], most newer adjuvants including MF59, ISCOMS, QS21, AS02, and AS04 have “substantially higher local reactogenicity and systemic toxicity than alum.”
Current status of swine flu vaccines
Five different companies have been contracted to produce vaccines worldwide: Baxter International, GlaxoSmithKline, Novartis and Sanofi-Aventis and AstroZeneca [16]. Already stretched beyond capacity, there is every intention to make smaller vaccine doses go further with a range of new adjuvants [17], with the blessing of the WHO (see later).
Flu vaccines are traditionally produced from non-virulent (attenuated or weakened) influenza viruses (see Box for a description of the viruses). To be effective, the genes of the non- virulent virus used must match those of the viral strain spreading in the population. Activation of the immune system by exposure to the non pathogenic form of the circulating pathogenic strain leads to the production of antibodies that will confer protection against the pathogenic strain. Producing the non-virulent virus involves first identifying and then recreating the subtypes of two of the virus’s surface proteins, haemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N), which determine the strain’s virulence and ability to spread, and are also the target proteins for vaccine production.
| Influenza viruses
There are 3 types of influenza viruses, A, B and C. The influenza A type virus is the main one that cause diseases in birds and mammals. Its genome consists of 8 segments of RNA coding for 11 proteins, and the viruses are further classified by subtype on the basis of the two main surface glycoproteins (proteins with complex carbohydrate side chains): haemagglutinin (H) and neuraminidase (N) [18]. The segmented genome enables the virus to’ reassort’ (shuffle) segments as well as recombine within segments, thereby greatly increasing the rate of evolution and generation of new strains. Reassortment is also widely exploited in the laboratory in the process of creating vaccine strains. To-date, 16 H and 9 N subtypes have been detected in numerous combinations circulating in wild birds [19]. |
Seed viruses are first made to provide the starting material for large scale production of live non-virulent flu viruses. The seed viruses are approved by the WHO or the United States Food and Drug Administration (USFDA). The usual method of seed virus production is reassortment (see Box). Fertilized chicken eggs are injected with both a standard non-pathogenic influenza strain known to grow well in eggs and the strain that carries the genes expressing the desired vaccine H and N protein subtypes. The two viruses multiply, and their eight genome segments reassort with 256 possible combinations. The resulting recombinant viruses are then screened for the desired virus with the six genome segments that allow the standard strain to grow so well in eggs and the H and N genes from the circulating strain. The seed virus is then injected into millions of eggs for mass production of vaccine. This conventional method of seed stock production takes about one to two months to complete [20].
Cell culture systems may eventually replace chicken eggs. Baxter International applied for a patent on a process using cell culture to produce quantities of infecting virus, which are harvested, inactivated with formaldehyde and ultraviolet light, and then detergent [21]. Baxter has produced H5N1 whole virus vaccines in a Vero cell line derived from the kidney of an African green monkey, and conducted phase 1 and 2 clinical trials with and without aluminium hydroxide as adjuvant [22, 23]. The main finding was that the toxic adjuvant did not increase neutralising antibodies against the vaccine strain. Baxter has agreed to ship H1N1 vaccine by the end of July or early August 2009 but details of the production of that vaccine have not yet been released to the public [16].
In December, a Baxter facility in Austria sent a human flu vaccine contaminated with the deadly H5N1 live avian flu virus to 18 countries, including the Czech Republic, where testing showed it killed the ferrets inoculated [24]. Czech newspapers questioned whether Baxter was involved in a deliberate attempt to start a pandemic.
Norvatis, another big pharma, announced on 13 June that it, too, has produced a swine flu vaccine using cell-based technology and the proprietary adjuvant MF59®. The MF59® adjuvant is oil based and contains Tween80, Span85, and squalene [25]. In studies of oil-based adjuvants in rats, the animals were rendered crippled and paralyzed. Squalene brought on severe arthritis symptoms in rats, and studies in humans given from 10 to 20 ppb (parts per billion) of squalene showed severe immune system impact and development of autoimmune disorders [26].
Novartis was in the news in 2008 for a clinical trial of a H5N1 vaccine in Poland. The trial was administered by local nurses and doctors who gave the vaccine to 350 homeless people, leaving 21 died; and were prosecuted by the Polish police [27, 28]. Novartis claimed the deaths were unrelated to the H5N1 vaccine [29], which had been “tested on 3500 other people without any deaths.”
GlaxoSmithKline’s vaccine will be made up of antigens of the recently isolated influenza strain, and also contains its own proprietary adjuvant system AS03 that has been approved in the EU along with its H5N1 bird flu vaccine in 2008. According to the European Public Assessment Report [30], AS03 adjuvant is composed of squalene (10.68 milligrams), DL-α-tocopherol (11.86 milligrams) and polysorbate 80 (4.85 milligrams). The H5N1 vaccine also contains 5 micrograms thiomersal, as well as Polysorbate 80, Octoxynol 10, and various inorganic salts. The company is aggressively promoting various adjuvant systems as its ‘adjuvant advantage’ that reduces the dose of vaccines [31].
A recent WHO survey of primary vaccine producers concluded that the potential output of 4.9 Billion doses of H1N1 vaccine per year is a best-case scenario, assuming among other factors that the most dose-sparing formulation (that will include toxic adjuvants) be selected by each manufacturer and that production will take place at full capacity. WHO Director-General, Dr .Margaret Chan, and the United Nations Secretary-General, Mr Ban Ki-moon, met with senior officials of vaccine manufacturers on 19 May and asked them to reserve part of their production capacity for poor countries that would otherwise have no or little access to vaccine in the case of a pandemic [32].
The last mass-vaccination in the US was a disaster. In 1976, cases of swine flu were found in soldiers at Fort Dix, New Jersey, and one of them died, most likely of physical overexertion rather than from the infection [7]. This led to the launch of a mass vaccination of 40 million against a pandemic that never materialized. Thousands filed claims for injury. At least 25 died and 500 developed paralyzing Guillain-Barre syndrome [33, 34].
Swine flu syndromes mostly mild
As of 22 July 2009, the CDC listed a total of 40 617 cases in the US, with 319 fatalities, giving a fatalites/case ratio of 0.8 percent [35]; though the real death rate – among all cases of infection including the mild ones that go unreported – is probably much lower. Experts estimate that only 1 out of 20 cases are reported [36].
The UK is the worst affected European country, and the pandemic is in the headlines everyday in July. A new telephone helpline was set up on 23 July to let people get advice and tamiflu without seeing a doctor. In that week, there has been a record rise in cases to 100 000 and a total of 30 deaths so far [37], giving a fatalities/case ratio of 0.03 percent, a more accurate reflection of the actual death rate.
UK’s chief medical officer Sir Liam Donaldson has ordered the NHS to plan for as many as 65 000 deaths, with 350 a day at the peak [38]. There has been no plan as yet for mass vaccination; but the UK government has advance orders for 195 million doses of vaccine with GlaxoSmithKline (GSK).
The vaccine that GSK is developing will be tested on a limited number of people as the UK drug company reportedly [39] “weighs the pandemic danger against the risks of an unsafe shot.” This was criticized as “risky” by Prof. Hugh Pennington, a retired microbiologist at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland. “By limiting clinical trials, Glaxo raises the danger that the vaccine dose isn’t properly calibrated, and could lead to shots that don’t protect people from the virus or at worse are unsafe,” Pennington said.
Pennington added that the shot’s ability to trigger the body’s defences is crucial and requires tests to determine the best dose and whether an adjuvant is needed to bolster the immunity. (As we know, GSK is definitely promoting its new range of toxic adjuvants.) He also referred to the Fort Dix incident in 1976 (see earlier).
France has ordered vaccines from Sanofi, GSK and Novartis, but sees no reason to ask vaccine makers to shorten or skip clinical trials [16]. Sanofi-Aventis, the French drug maker developing its own swine flu vaccine will begin testing the product in early August, and estimates it will need as much as two and a half months of tests before having a shot that’s “both safe and protective”, according to Albert Garcia, speaking for the company’s vaccine unit, “the vaccine will be ready in November or December, he said.
Baxter, however, will produce a vaccine by early August for clinical tests.
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Glaxo also said it is developing a face mask coated with antivirals to prevent infection and boosting production of its Relenza drug for patients already suffering from swine flu.
There are obviously safer and more effective ways to combat the pandemic than mass vaccinations: washing hands often, sneezing into a tissue that can be safely disposed of, avoiding unnecessary gatherings, and delay opening schools – all advised by governments – and we would add, eating healthily, exercise, and getting enough vitamin D to boost your natural immunity [10].
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July 28th, 2009 at 9:50 am
First to post!
But not first to take the shot!
ac Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Dr. Mercola: “Do Drug Companies Secretly Favor a World Flu Pandemic?”
http://articles.mercola.com/si.....ation.aspx
July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
second!!!
Mazeman Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Second place is the second loser. H1N1 vaccine = mass sterilization
Khalil Williams Reply:
July 31st, 2009 at 4:02 pm
i wonder if thats what all those fema coffins are for? hmmmmm looks like they had theis planned out all along.
July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
third!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:57 am
fourth & Fifth & Sixth!!!!!!!
Michael Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Give it to MIKEY…. he will eat anything (1970’s LIFE CEREAL COMMERCIAL)
RYE BREW Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Its funny that you mention this commercial because i’ve been thinking about the practical application of this commercial to many real life situations that have been going on lately, and i think that message of the Mikey commercial sums up the sheeple of our nation perfectly!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:02 am
im waiting for a new “terror attack”
its really boring curently
July 28th, 2009 at 10:07 am
the sad part is, when they do make it madatory the kids are gonna be the first injected and the parents(most) are gonna let it happen without a fight while trusting these blood thirsty corparations to provide their child with a healthy vaccine. I’m glad i have no kids and i don’t intend on it.
Sense Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Yeah be glad you don’t have any kids 645. I have one and it hurts me to even think about what these evil people want to do to my child. I’ll be fighting best believe that.
Tard Salem Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
if it comes to that, take the kids out of school. homeschooling unto a G.E.D. is a better education anyway.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Earlier, some guy on FOX news was saying that some take 3-4 different kinds of flu shots a year. Are they crazy?
July 28th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Did anybody else notice this: “others blame the intensive livestock industry and extensive trafficking of love animals over long distances”.
Yep, thats right. It says ‘love’ animals.
Stop being so juvenile Mikey. This demeanor of this site is serious one. If you want the flippancy of a social networking site then head to facebook, twitter et.al
At least nice said something relevant.
mikey Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 10:30 am
me juvenile – you’re the one making a point about ‘love’animals – obviously a means ‘live’ animals. f---ing moron! Baaaaaah! Baaaaaah!
Dave Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I think “Love animals” are sheep….
Isn’t that what horny farmers have?
.50cal Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Their back legs fit down in your mucking boots so they can’t get away
July 28th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Hit CTRL + F and type in the ‘love animal’ to jump to the aforementioned mistake.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Be a keyboard cowboy and type up opposition to this vaccine and summit them to your opinion pages in your local newspapers. It only cost a stamp. If you can do it here, you can do it there. If I can do it, so can you. Get the word out.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I just hope that information like this is really getting through to the general public and not just those of us who are already aware of the NWO agenda. It had better be, or millions are going to die this fall as a result of this vaccine.
July 28th, 2009 at 10:46 am
nice, mickey & namboy should be the first, second & third Idiots in line for the poison-laden swine flu shots. I despise this assholes that come to this site looking to be the first to post or to joke about the terrible situation we are in…I bet this 3 mamaguebos will be crying like girls when the military start kicking their doors down & taking them to the fema camps. Pendejos!
July 28th, 2009 at 11:01 am
big pharma has been given a license to kill
July 28th, 2009 at 11:01 am
We are having problems here in Spain. The goverment has announced all kids under the age of 14 are to have the swine flu vaccine, and its going to be compolsory. Also teachers, medical staff, obese and peolpe with respiratory illness. We´ve had it man. I have a crusade in news forums but people here just dont seem to know the truth.
Tard Salem Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
they tell me Juan Carlos is The King Of Jerusalem. perhaps he’ll talk some sense to The Lord.
Spanish Infowarrior Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Juan Carlos? He is a poppet. No power what so ever, he is an embassador nothing else, just gives the country a bit of novelty, which tax payers pay by the way. The only good thing he has done in recent years is to tell Chavez to shut the fcuk up!
July 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
uhm….so… if i get it correct……if we take the vaccine we’ll be exposed to other s--- nd die and if we dont take the vaccine the virus will kill us…………hard choice if you ask me…
July 28th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Where on earth have you ever seen a government health minister to go on TV and run a CONTEST asking public to make videos and warn people to go and get their flu shots!
First time in HUMAN history that we see a something like this! Did this ever happen in any other country?
SHAME ,SHAME,SHAME on all politicians that lie to us! SHAME on all those politicians that see the chemtrails in the sky…above their head, in the sky of the country that they taken oath serve and yet ..They act as if there is nothing in the sky.
Hope we find out more about chemtrails and their real misssion which is not only weather modification!
Did you know that cholera kills more people every year than seasonal flu’s!
“29 Apr 2009 … Every year about 2.5 million people are newly-infected with the … Cholera is an acute diarrhoeal infection spread most often … As many as one in two people may die without treatment with rehydration salts or antibiotics. … About 600000 people die each year from its acute or chronic effects. …”
http://www.alertnet.org/thenew.....870786.htm
Spanish Infowarrior Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Here in Spain Today. The health minister just said it today. They are going to kill us. The 1918 Swine flu which killed million of people started in Spain as is know as the Spanish Flu. And 90 years laters again here. We are going to be the guinea pigs of europe.
Gary Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Looks like more than just you, though. I’ve been told by a source in Switzerland that the Swiss government has ordered enough vaccine to cover their entire population 1.68 times.
Spanish Infowarrior Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
No surprise here. Switzerland oly has a population of 7,581,520 million people, Spain well over 40 Million. And bear in mind they are probably the richest country in the world. Must be wondering the amount of money the farmaceutical companys are cashing in.
Gary Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
True. Ther was another European country that similarly ordered enough to cover its population a couple of times over. Can’t recall which, right now. Maybe Germany?
Spanish Infowarrior Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
gary , I´ve just done some research on the Germany issue, they are going to spend and stagering 2.800 million$ in vaccine which will cover 1/4 of the population estimated in 82 million people. The vacccine however, is voluntary and not compulsary like in Spain. It will be the biggest vaccination process in more than 50 years in Germany. How much money are these companies going to make? They could by countries with this money, never mind goverments.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Hey Spanish, Vaya Con Dios!
July 28th, 2009 at 11:15 am
http://1918.pandemicflu.gov/
If hundreds of thousands of people start dying I’ll probably take the shot. I’m not going to be a guinea pig for the global pharmaceutical industry though. This isn’t a pandemic. 1918 was a pandemic. So why all the hype?
“…recent estimates have estimated global mortality from the 1918-1919 pandemic at anywhere between 30 and 50 million. An estimated 675,000 Americans were among the dead.”
Stop wasting your time Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
http://socioecohistory.wordpre.....-true-ott/
David Reply:
August 4th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Uh… of course it’s not a pandemic. It has pandemic potential, that’s what makes it dangerous.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Flu Updates – July 27 – http://www.poorwiseman.net/americangenocide.html
July 28th, 2009 at 11:36 am
MSM fluff….nobody in Europe buys it except the governments who’ve bought it, the vaccine.
Spanish Infowarrior Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 11:44 am
The spanish goverment has bought 37 million dosis, which will cover 40% fo the population, there will be 2 vaccines per person, it has been announced. Medical treatments in spain are free and covered by the Social Services.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:38 am
I interviewed 2 people from pre-World War 2, who got vaccines.
The first vaccine was “harmless”
The second vaccine was forbidden for people who where ill (like flue symptoms)
But it was injected anyways.
The first person died due the 2nd shot.
The second person lived, but with an open (under) leg (you could see the bone of the leg)
Research it.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Be carefull. They are going to vacinnate the population against thier manufactured virus. Tell everyone ” see it works”. Then release the real virus when everybody comes running for the vaccine, then they are going to poison the batch.
The Anti-Beast Chip Man Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Yes Watchem!! This is another thing that they will possibly do!! But if you have God and Jesus; then you wont’ worry and you will be protected and blessed !! Otherwise; if you don’t take the shot; they will eventually find you and put you in their camps; or they will kill you outright!! Either way; you should rely on God !! As for me; if they insist on me taking the shot; I have enough faith to take the shot without it having any effect on me!! But that is because I gave my life to Jesus years ago and He protects His Children from poisons and the evil that they want to do to us!!
July 28th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Shame on this man Jones for capitalizing on fear. There have been no adverse reactions to flu shots outside the norm, yet we are supposed to believe that we’re all going to be systematically eliminated in just a few months. He has been beating this drum for years, selling gold and perfume, and feeding his fat face. He is no different than the TV evangelist that takes old women’s money. What’s next, toilet paper that delivers flesh eating bacteria? Obama changed his name when he was a kid, how many people do the same? I ran a little test and posted a paragraph (Frank Davis) stating connections to communist and Obama and guess what, these people deleted the info. I knew the info would be deleted because Jones only gives info to incite not to inform. This site is probably on the LE payroll looking for terrorist.
Gary Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
“There have been no adverse reactions to flu shots outside the norm…”
Ummm…where do get your information? There have been DEATHS in reaction to this vaccine already.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Shame on this man Jones for capitalizing on fear. There have been no adverse reactions to flu shots outside the norm, yet we are supposed to believe that we’re all going to be systematically eliminated in just a few months. He has been beating this drum for years, selling gold and perfume, and feeding his fat face. He is no different than the TV evangelist that takes old women’s money. What’s next, toilet paper that delivers flesh eating bacteria? Obama changed his name when he was a kid, how many people do the same? I ran a little test and posted a paragraph (Frank Davis) stating connections to communist and Obama and guess what, these people deleted the info. I knew the info would be deleted because Jones only gives info to incite not to inform. This site is probably on the LE payroll looking for terrorist.
The Anti-Beast Chip Man Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Pancakes and Burnt Bacon!! What is your problem!!?? You obviously don’t know who your friends are and who your enemies are!! And if you are working for the antichrist beast system; then you should know that if you should die without Jesus; the demons will have you in their hell in the center of the Earth ripping you to shreds and making you scream and holler for their wicked pleasure!!
July 28th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Psychologically, this man is not stable. He is eaten up with anger and animosity for his listeners. The station was originally owned by a Turkish arms dealer now is affiliated with ABC and Disney. And believe me, this is a cartoon show. He is the worst actor ever, how could law enforcement put such an unbelievable goof on the air posing as a grass roots activists? Wow. Is this Bush’s cousin, looking for terrorist?
Stop wasting your time Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Exactly how is he affiliated with ABC and Disney?
Are you just talking about his satelite connection? What other corporation would you rather him purchase the service from? There are only a few to choose from and none of them care about his programming.
We are going to need more than the word of a troll.
Also, what is wrong with dealing arms?
I appreciate a well armed society.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
My daughter will NOT be going to school on vaccine day and if they want to push the issue we will flee modern life. They will not inject their poisons in my baby, NO WAY! Besides they do not want to take away my reason for living. Then there will be nothing stopping me from, well you all know.
pancakes Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Mam, please don’t kill yourself. Just turn off the Alex Jones radio show and go outside and live. Enjoy yourself, don’t by hypnotized by these hate messages.
BlueCross Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
People have the right to choose medical treatments and interventions.
It has nothing to do with ‘paranoia’ or conspiracies.
Are you really okay with others forcing you to take a vaccine?
What other medical decisions are you willing to let them make for you?
The Anti-Beast Chip Man Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Sorry Pancakes and fried bacon!! Alex has been great doing his job and warning us about the coming new world order beast system!! So don’t blame him!! But if you die without Jesus as your Lord and Saviour; your bacon is going to burn and fry to a charcoaled piece of burnt bacon!! And I hate it when somebody burns bacon!! It smells aweful !! And so will you if you die without Jesus being your Only Lord and Saviour!!
Tard Salem Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
she wasn’t talking about killing HERSELF, Mr. Cakes.
The Anti-Beast Chip Man Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Sovereignty Soldier!! please don’t commit suicide!! Give your life to Jesus and let Him take care of you and your daughter and your family!! Don’t take the easy way out and fight these Satanic and evil devils!! Besides; they would love you to kill yourself anyway!! They are eugenicist and they love depopulating the Earth any way that they can!!
July 28th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
back in the 80’s congress gave the pharma’s permission to pump out untested medication on the general public.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
leave them love animals alone!
zombievirus Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Deadly vaccines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....annel_page
Luke Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 2:04 am
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July 28th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Does he ever really say anything? How is he informative? Are all his listeners just mentally challenged or lazy. Therer is info everywhere that this guy doesn’t speak of. You know why, he is scared and under control from someone. He even looks like your typical backwoods, GED, minimum wage deputy eating dohnuts.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
INSECURITIES ARE A BITCH. All corrupt individuals are insecure and will do anything for a treat. Obedience is rewarded by the dog handlers of society, strength is scorned. But the cyclic change will renew the scales to their balanced scheme.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Contemplation is a gift not to be shared with the mediocrity of civilization that wish for nothing more than acceptance from their masters. Destiny is not theirs.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Life is a filter.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Whites have been poisoning non-whites with vaccines for over a century – your own evil is now coming upon you!!!
White Satanic Disorder!!
Gary Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Yes, and they’ve also been poisoning whites, you racist twit.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Look, one of his listeners is talking about suicide just above. This man Jones should be put in jail. A modern day jim jones cult brewing here. This show and its listeners would make an excelent study for grad school.
BlueCross Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I’m not seeing any suicidal threat in the post.
You are trying to derail the subject.
I remember once, in the ER a patient was very sick… intractable vomiting.
When the ambulance arrived, she said “I’m so sick, I wish I would just DIE”
They kept her on a legal 2000 hold for three days, she went to an inpatient psych hospital for a few more. They started her on medications for depression.
She was never suicidal.
It’s people like you and your skewed perception that propagate the loss of others basic rights.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
All ask youselves this question :
How did humanity survive over “thousands of years”
pancakes Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It wasn’t by following Alex Jones.
Gary Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
It wasn’t by taking vaccinations and processed foods and drugs, either.
wonderer Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
As far as I can see, you follow Alex Jones more than anyone else on this forum!
Maybe you should take that shot !
That’ll bring peace to your mind.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
If and when this becomes mandatory and is implemented, after my repeated protests to all involved in an official capacity, I will make it plain that they may shoot me with a rifle, pistol or shotgun, but not with a needle full of potentially poisonous brew! This must NOT stand. Death by lethal injection should be sentence for capital cases, not a prerequisite to exist! “Keep off drugs, INCLUDING VACCINES. Just say ‘NO!’ “.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
” US Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius has granted vaccine makers total legal immunity from any lawsuits that may result from any new swine flu vaccine. And some states may make the vaccination mandatory by law.”
Mandatory by law is? Is that even constitutionaly possible?
ritamd Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
YES. try this link-(if it works),
http://www.globalresearch.ca/i.....;aid=14475
Or, go to globalresearch.ca Click on swine flu, right hand side. The article is “WHO moves forward in secrecy to accomplish forced vaccination and poulation agenda” by Jane Burgermeister (July 21st)
July 28th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Not true
You are trying to speak for people.
I am in healthcare and do not take flu vaccines. I don’t believe in them
The lions share of people I work with do not take them..this includes nurses, doctors.
Im not scared into obscurity, I am excersing my right to choose my own medical treatment.
The doctors and nurses aren’t willingly “getting involved in a conspiracy” they are doing what they are told. They are going off of medical information fed to them by a journal written by someone they’ve never met or seen. They are doing what they think is right.
But thats not the point. Nobody has the RIGHT to tell ME what medical treatment to receive.
Its not fear. Its a choice.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Not me, pal. That’s Alex Jones’ job. You don’t know me very well, do you?
July 28th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
It’s not the power that change “all” things, it’s greed.
it’s not time that changes, it’s the enviroment.
July 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Am I the only one to notice that one of the “vaccines” is connected to “African green monkeys”? Look up “African green monkeys” and note the connection to HIV/AIDS!
If one already has multiple sclerosis, you want to flee these vaccines like the PLAGUE! Thimerosol (ethylmercury) contains 50 TIMES the safe dose of mercury, PER SHOT, and they are saying they will require THREE SHOTS, every one of which will contain the thimerosol as a “preservative”! Note that mercury is a CUMULATIVE toxin (poison) which is well known. If you also have a mouthful of the “normal” silver-mercury fillings, this is TRIPLE dangerous!
I see this all playing out in the following fashion (I may not be a doctor, but I AM scientifically trained, and I AM a thinker!):
Shot 1: few fatalities with some autoimmune diseases among the survivors.
Shot 2: more fatalities, mostly from mercury toxin overload, and increasing autoimmune diseases in survivors.
Shot 3: the HIGHEST level of fatalities as the mercury toxicity REALLY kicks in! The “survivors” will have their health PERMANENTLY compromised, with chronic, debilitating, autoimmune diseases.
God help us!
July 28th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
We all know better than to listen to your spam.
Public schools are prison training, nothing more.
That’s why you see the kids sagging their pants like prison bitches.
I, for one, would have appreciated my parents sparing my childhood from that sort of “sociolization.”
Anybody who has been through the system knows that the last thing they want you to do is to think critically.
The government has no right to control social behavior, so long as it is not oppressive of others.
But hey, at least you aren’t spamming bible trash…
Renee23 Reply:
July 29th, 2009 at 6:46 am
The anti-bible part of your government training was very successful. The NWO fears true Christians who actually read the bible, and see their future written within.
“- You will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.” (John 8:32)
July 28th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
They don’t need so many slaves.
The system has become too large and the earth cannot sustain it any longer.
They have technology now that relieves them of the need for a large population.
It is time for a sustainable, stream lined system.
The masses represent more of a liability than an asset – for those who seek total control.
What you have been “lead” to believe is wrong… probably due to your prefabricated opinions.
Those “content lives” you speak of are ignorant to the dangers that exist in this world because they are “content” to sit on their asses and watch TV all day.
Their collective complacency poses more of a danger to the public wellbeing than the ambition of individual survivalists. After all, you could always just leave them alone.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Are you retarded?
Why in the hell would a government created by and for the People ever be justified to attack them out of fear?
The fact that you believe that it is a possibility justifies the existence of this website.
If it isn’t a big deal, then leave us alone.
If it is, then we have every reason to be alarmed.
You can’t blame us for scaring the government. What do they have to fear?
They are supposed to be working FOR us.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
He probably feels that those who joke about this situation represent an opposition to any effort to create a solution.
A mis-placed opinion, no doubt; But understandable.
Some of these people take the threat to their lives more personaly than others.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Do you know what the word “conspiracy” means?
Your comment makes no sense.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
What other drugs?
How are they going to treat people who are dead?
What are they going to make money from?
What happens when everybody finds out that this flu is no big deal and even if it infected a lot of people it would be harmless within a year’s time?
Nature has a way of solving these issues and we are ill-advised to stand in it’s way.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
What do you mean by “own?”
Give us some facts, man. These comments of yours are backed up with absolutely no information whatsoever.
This issue has been rubbed in the dirt for years now and everybody who has looked into it has found out that it isn’t even true.
Do you have ANY information to back up your claims, or are you just as guilty of speaking lies as you accuse Jones?
July 28th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Mr Sunray we been reading you posts and my you are in there to set the record straight and we are behind you 100%. Now there going to be openings very soon for those that want stick needles into those useless eaters we suggest you contact WHO, ASAP and tell them that Rockefeller sent you, hope to see you in the lab soon.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I would read that report.
Don’t think for a minute I don’t appreciate some of your posts. You have gift for writing and explaining things, and I think it’s a good thing to have different angles of things presented.
It’s easy to get into the romance of a good conspiracy theory.
I think some people get into things a little too deep and see things that aren’t there. Sometimes things are so grayed, and the lines are so blurry its hard to tell.
I encourage people not to search for things they want to see, and try to stay objective. And that goes for both sides. Sometimes the best way to find the truth is to try and debunk things.
I have never been to a conspiracy website in my life, I get a lot of questions from scared people about the swine flu. Some of the information I found was unsettling.
When I found this website, I found that there were a lot of way of whack-jobs posting here. But there are also a lot of people that make sense. The trick is using your own experiences, feelings and knowledge to weed the cream from the crap.
Don’t lump everyone into the same pile, and I’m talking to both sides of the fence.
When people let their prejudices cloud their judgement, then those of us that are just trying to make sense of this whole mess get confused.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Give us SOME kind of evidence to your claims that “Many people in the health industry, with knowledge of the vaccines side effects have already taken it and are advising you do the same.”
“His propaganda is scaring you into obscurity. He’s causing everyone to isolate themselves from their neighbors and to suspect everyone at anytime.”
- Would you rather have us sitting on our asses watching corporate TV (ABC, Disney, etc.) all day long and eating corporate fast food instead? Because that’s what all of my neighbors are doing.
Don’t you understand that the average American is being brainwashed by corporations?
What is a reasonable alternative to this lifestyle other than isolating yourself from it?
On one hand you blame Jones for buying satellite time from ABC, then you give us a hard time for removing ourselves from the corporate status-quo.
You make absolutely no sense what-so-ever.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
lol, look who is talking…
July 28th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
It would also allow you a platform to spew your own hate-based preconceived ideologies.
July 28th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
How about we let everyone make up their own minds about the “potentials” of the chemicals that are put into their bodies and into the bodies of their children.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Its http://www.pandemicflu.gov/pla.....plans.html
Texas is 146 pages. Look up on net. God Bless
Miss K Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Why does it keep coming up wrong.
http://www.pandemicflu.gov/pla.....plans.html
NOT > .gov/pla….plans.html ??????
MissK Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
OK folks click on the site I posted , it will come up for your state. Get on board.
See what you have in your state going on demand health freedom.
pandemicflu.gov site I just posted.
No Problem Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
It’s just truncated to save space.
The link works just fine and is available in full at the top of my browser after I click on it.
Thanks, btw.
ritamd Reply:
July 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
that happened to me, too
July 28th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
You couldn’t have illustrated your contemptuous, ignorant agenda any more clearly than with a comment like that.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
THANK YOU ALEX JONES-for posting this article. There’s so much information that needs to be communicated and this article has a lot of it all in one spot.
This can be sent to local newspapers, local talk shows, all your friends…..
This is going to be a race against the clock. We have a few more weeks before they start injecting people with the real stuff, as they are fast tracking the test trials.
We can win this.
This is the People vs. the WHO, Baxter, Novartis and Glaxo-Smith-Kline.
They are going to be charged with bioterrorism and intent to commit mass murder.
July 28th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
lol, You think that people around the world will conspire to point fingers?
July 28th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Thank you SUNRAY. If you had a couple hundred Billion we could “kick it”
July 28th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
The only thing to really be concerned about is if you die. Whether you die from Swine Flu or from Swine Flu Vaccine or from anything else you will then have to meet your maker. Swine Flu is in the providence of God a reminder that we have this great appointment. In Jesus Christ there is a Saviour of sinners and all who trust in his atoning death are washed and have his righteousness counted to them. As the Bible says, to those of us trusting Jesus alone, death has lost its sting, it is swallowed up in victory. What about you? What about your friends and family? Are you saved?
July 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Hello all, some very interesting comments. Personally I find all of this believable, however I do not believe that most of the developed world will be severely affected by swine flu. I think there is a chance many millions could die, but its likely to be third world countries.
In the UK, US and Turkey to name but a few, by order of the WHO, our water companies are adding fluoride compounds to our water. Fluoride is a drug that has now been proven to be linked with lowered IQ, sterility in women and many more. People buy the propaganda thinking its good for your teeth. In in the right quantities its great for your teeth when applied topially. Systemically its very bad for our insides and is especially a concern for children as they have lower body mass and noone is taking responsibility for how much they injest.
This is against all modern day medical ethics and our Governments in the NWO are indeed evil, but I’m sure they dont want to kill us in the US and UK, so please everyone stop worrying.
The very best thing we can all do is live successful lives, love each other, put as much money in your pocket as possible, and die respectfully. I cant see any other way being positive or productive.
Best wishes to all,
M
July 28th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
sun–you weren’t even born in the 80’s were you?
July 28th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
The report on the 21 Polish homeless that died after being injected with H5N1 vaccine……that was one year ago. Notice H5N1 is no longer around? Now we have H1N1 and a new vaccine…….21 out of 350 died. That’s about 6%. If 6% of all who take the vaccine die, what does that come to?
Maybe they don’t want that many deaths, that’s why they abandoned H5N1 vaccine. Or maybe they do.
Maybe they were looking for a vaccine that doesn’t kill so quick, or so many, so fast? Is the ultimate goal martial law? It looks that way.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
“Stop wasting your time” you’re great man. Thanks for spending your time on arguing with ignorant fools. I’m not being sarcastic, it’s good to expose their doublespeak and missleading statements. It would be fine if they had facts to back up what they were saying, but everytime you try to get them to do that they ignore it. This only leads me to believe they are intentionally trying to misslead others. It’s important for us to reply to these people with clear minded intelligent arguments to expose them for what they are…
July 28th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFDwfM6ZV7w Hitlers useless eaters genocide Policy Same Obama’s save the Banks
July 28th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
I just found this article… it just sounds a bit odd that they want everyone to get the vaccine but
cut off the antivirals for the elderly….
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20.....studyurges
July 28th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Sunray Breaker:
“Many people in the health industry, with knowledge of the vaccines side effects have already taken it and are advising you do the same. ”
WHERE ARE YOUR FACTS???
The H1N1 vaccines haven’t been in production long enough to determine that they are indeed safe. It would take much more than a couple of weeks to come to this conclusion, and I believe that any “credible” doctor would consider that before exposing himself to that sort of danger.
……….GENERALITIES
July 28th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I’m a registered nurse and have been a practicing registered nurse for 27+ years. I have had several vaccinations and submitted because I ignorantly bought into the government and pharmaceutical companies’ lies that they would be good for me to have. I am now suffering from debilitating arthritic-type conditions, muscle pains and weakness, asthma, allergies that I’ve never had in the past, and memory problems, among other things I will not discuss on a public site. I am not into fear-mongering. I am into reality however. I have to believe that the increase in autism in children, increase in asthma in children and adults, and the increase in chronic and autoimmune diseases cannot be attributed to anything but the increased use of vaccines with dangerous and toxic fillers and adjuvants. I will be refusing to take this swine flu vaccine. I will take my chances with the virus. I know how to stimulate my immune system on my own. I don’t need a potentially dangerous vaccine to do it.
July 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
$205,000 reward to the first M.D. who publicly drinks the poisons he/she injects into children every day:
http://www.spontaneouscreation.....eOffer.htm
July 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Im not sure theres a big enough excuse for this monstrosity of a post that you bestowed upon us. The fact of the matter is this ‘flu’ hasnt killed nearly enough people to report on it nation wide. What are the chances of a ‘novel flu’ suddenly outbreaking all over the world at nearly the same time? Id say about the same chance that you didnt get paid to write that post. F u c k o f f
July 29th, 2009 at 3:35 am
I am sure that this stuff will backfire on the elite.There is no need to panic .There is only a need for WISE actions.
Most important will be well informed communitys and familys that work together.
FEAR is what they wish.Because fear leads people to un-wise actions! I think, thats why AJ is still on air.But the info is still precious.
July 29th, 2009 at 3:47 am
I don’t know if you guys know this but there have been recent study’s on Guillain-Barre syndrome and it has been linked to causeing or increasing the risk of developing certain cancer virus’s in people. This could be the reason why they are putting all this other junk into the virus’s. They could be laying down a base for another release of even a more deadly virus. If a lot of ppl get this vaccination it could run down their immune system so much that when this other virus hits no one that got the vaccination will have a chance.
July 29th, 2009 at 3:49 am
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/3988.php This is the web page you guys can read for yourself.
July 29th, 2009 at 3:54 am
They are certainly backing us in to a corner.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
RESIST!!!!
TO THE VERY DEATH!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 4:01 pm
i wonder if thats what all those fema coffins are for? hmmmmm looks like they had theis planned out all along
August 1st, 2009 at 12:02 am
Please make copies of the first three pages of below document and give to local police. What’s good is it is compiled by ‘Police Against the New World Order’. Try to approach more seasoned officers who don’t look like s.s. http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/vk2k.shtml
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:07 pm
be prepared to file injunctions in your State Court against HHS Secretary Kathleen Sibelius for the genocidal and fraudulent act of enacting a mandatory toxic vaccination program on all Americans. learn about the rules of court by joining your jurisdictionary chapter http://www.jurisdictionary.com – and whatever happens DO NOT take the shot. likely to contain MF-59 with toxic squalene and GP-120, mercury, mycoplasmids and RNA of other live viruses such as rabies, insect larvae, and other unknown and untested toxins. some batches projected to be “hot” batches that will be assigned according to social security number, projected to contain live weaponized virus and highly reactive adjuvants.