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War in Afghanistan ‘could be lost by summer’
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Alex Spillius
Telegraph
February 11, 2009
The assessment of Col John Nagl, who is consulting the US government as it conducts four separate policy reviews on Afghanistan, comes amid fears that unless the insurgents’ advance is halted, Afghanistan will become the new president’s Vietnam.
Adm Mullen has said he expected to announce the deployment of a further 30,000 US troops soon, even though the Obama administration is waiting to evaluate the reviews.
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“The commander on the ground has asked for additional forces and meeting those requirements against the overall strategy is something that I have an expectation to get directed to do,” he said.
The anticipation in military circles is that the president will agree not only to the extra troops but to the adoption of the approach that worked well in Iraq, whereby US forces concentrate less seeking out and killing insurgents. Instead they followed a “clear, hold, build” strategy designed to consolidate gains and prevent captured towns falling back into enemy hands.
Col Nagl, an Iraq veteran who helped devise the successful strategy there under the aegis of Gen David Petraeus, told The Daily Telegraph that the gains made by the Taliban over the past two years need to be reversed by the end of the traditional fighting season in Afghanistan, around late September or early October, or else the Taliban will establish a durable base that would make a sustained Western military presence futile.
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February 11th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
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so it seems that the might of the western world cannot hold back LOYAL soldiers fighting for their homeland!
where have we saw this before?
The cold war with the U.S.S.R anyone??
it sounds like troops going over their are being marched to their death!
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 6:18 am
a man fighting for freedom is worth ten times more then a man fighting for a paycheck! mkay
it is so funny that we cant subdue a bunch of cave dwellers- and they think they are gonna declare martial law on us???
good luck NWO, as i laugh aloud! hahaha
jp Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
hmmm, nice plan though, secure the fema camps and bomb the hell out of the rest of the US? Isn’t that what they’re doing there?
911truth Reply:
February 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
second that
February 11th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Kurt UK, yes. Also the british army suffered a terrible defeat outside Kabul in the 1800’s. History keeps repeating….
February 11th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
no one messes with the drug money,i repeat,no one messes with the drug money.
this black money will be needed soon….the history of HSBC is littered with washed drug money
February 11th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Zbigniew Brzezinski started this Afghanistan curse back in the 70’s under Carter. Let him finish it by himself. Maybe they can post an execution vid of it. This I’d like to see.
Afghanistan, “Graveyard Of Empires”
brett jackson Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
he’s crossed the rubicon so many times and has friends in all camps…dont forget the drug money
TEX Reply:
February 17th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
ITS ONE,TWO,THREE WHAT ARE WE FIGHT’IN FOUR–
WOOPEEEE WERE ALL GONNA DIE————-
February 11th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
I was wondering how any and all of you out there feel about this idea:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uns4n_Rd1do
It’s an inspiring 4 minute video. I spent 60 hours putting this and the corresponding website together in a selfless attempt to do SOMETHING to affect REAL change in this world… So far I’ve been largely ignored by those I was attempting to help… Does anyone want to actually DO something or is everyone just content to post their opinions. Just wondering…
Please watch and comment.
brett jackson Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
I’ll post my opinion.60 hrs! bed with no supper and if i hear a word!!!! dummy
vttruth Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Brett, can you show us what you have done?
2bwise Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
If I had the money I’d be blasting an e-mail message to everybody living in the world…want to help me?
Mr.T Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Good job Brother! Hope the video helps. Nice work, at least your doing something for the cause.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
your video RAWKS dude.
roaddog Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
That was a crazy-ass video. good one.
February 11th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Been a huge Salad Fingers fan for years….to bad the series ended….dark and evil just like our future…
February 11th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Madness
“There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited.”
~ Sun Tzu
The Art of War
Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan.
The nation is bankrupt and continues to fight wars abroad to benefit the criminals that bankrupted the nation.
If you’re fed up with being treated like a a fool, stop acting like one. Stop running out to vote in elections like a brainwashed primate, stop listening to the grinning idiots on TV, stop using their money and stop supporting their system.
If we stop using their filthy money, the Federal Reserve System will die and their politicians will go with them.
Don’t fight the system:
Replace it
http://socialviability.com/
February 11th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
“The conspiracy is so great that it staggers the Gentile mind. Gentiles are not conspirators. They cannot follow clues through long and devious and darkened channels. The elaborate completeness of the Jewish program, the perfect coordination of its mass of details wearies the Gentile mind. Gentile mental laziness is the most POWERFUL ally the World Program has.” (Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion)
It is also important to understand, that the very fact that such a conspiracy exists involving a large and powerful elite group of Cabbalistic Jews, does NOT necessarily implicate the remaining bulk of the people calling themselves “Jews,” nor does it blame only those of Jewish persuasion for being complicit.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
AWESOME!!!…I hope Russia supplies weapons to the Taliban to fight off the American terrorists
TEX Reply:
February 17th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
MAY A THOUSAND CAMELS s--- IN YOUR HAT—-
February 11th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
They are only fighting for their own way of living, and not the totaliterian way of western propaganda, and its media sources.
February 11th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Russia remembers vividly how America supported the Afghans when they attempted to control and invade Afghanistan, and I won’t be surprised if Russia repays us the favor and supports the Afghans against our invasion and occupation. I’d imagine it is hard to forget things like this, espcially since it was only 30 years ago. You’d think our government would have learned their lesson from vietnam and other fruitless wars.
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 6:28 am
im sure its about the money, because selling weapons is most profitable. mkay
February 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Guess Isreal didn’t want afghan. US should only fight wars for isreal for the land they want. they dont want this land so lets lose it! america is isreals bitch
February 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
no army ever in history has defeated the afghans . our so called leeders think thay can will you better load up those fema coffins and plenty of body bags you fools nwo.
scott Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 4:57 am
No, this is precisely what they want. They’ll shed the blood of the regular armies on foreign soil then create their own homeland force of mind controlled criminals and foreign mercenaries to deal with the rest of us.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
They already have taken over the world,it’s not on the surface yet,it’ll be a time of their choice as to when they want to show it to us.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
How can an illegal invasion based on a farce “win” anything in this situation???
February 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
afghanistan never looses.
msmadame Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
That is a true statement.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
The war in Afghanistan is lost. The insurgency doesn’t have to do anything to win. It just has to endure.
sewkr8tez Reply:
February 11th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
You are correct. Just like in the nam. One day we will leave Afghanistan.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Huh?
“Worked well in Iraq”……
???
What exactly worked well in Iraq? Hell, what worked at all?
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 6:39 am
the spreading of democracy!!! mkay
i still dont understand why we want to spread democracy??
our founding fathers would not of dictated to other countries what type of govt they should have. matter fact they(founding fathers) despised democracy hense why they formed a republic.
stupid americans think we are a democracy!! save our republic by over throwing this bullsh*t democracy!! or you can be a slave to the corupt govt, your choice!!
god save the republic of these united states!! mkay
msmadame Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
You are correct.
Hopefully, the average citizen will see through the guise of democracy and know that it is really American DOMINION that is being dictated.
February 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
ffs wake up they aint even at war there its a joke war hardly f---ing stanlingrad now is it ?? and mores to the point what tv footage do we ever see ??? zip few soliders ducking and a frantic news man breathing hard this aint war we had footage at passendale ffs of the boys getting stuck in to the germans and that was real war no pics no footage no war ok so this is all about pakistan and we must stop the flow of terror there ?
February 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Afganistan, Iraq…any of these god forsaken lands where the inhabitants all revel in the 13th century, but with modern weapons & communications, all need the same policy. If ya gotta invade, and ONLY if ya GOTTA absofreakin-loutely have to: Go in fast, kick the living snot out of them, tell the survivors to clean up their act, get the f**k out, THEN offer aid as THEY rebuild their country.
But get the f**k out.
February 11th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I cannot believe that there are men stupid enough to blindly follow these leaders with no stated objective. Are they drugged ? A call for rebellion and now.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I’ve spent some substansial time over there, and I can honestly say we’re fighting the wrong people. Even though they’re poor and malnourished, they laugh in the face of imperialistic nations. The same warlords we pay off and give humanitarian aid to are the same people who give a portion of it for the resistance. America is f---ing clueless over there. We need to get out of there because we’re provoking ww3.
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 6:44 am
we fight over there, because we the people refuse to fight here!! mkay
if people would realize that democracy has destroyed our freedoms, they would fight here!!
god save the republic!!!
February 11th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Spending billions to kill farmers and third world soldiers… what heroes we are. I wonder how well we would fare if we encountered an equally advanced fighting force. We’re all about war when it comes to killing poor brown people.
http://propagandawerks.blogspot.com
OJ Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Agree, but be carefull about fight a equally advanced fighting force. The Russian and the Chinese are much better equiped than the Lame Street Media report. They also out number us.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
orwiellain terminology:
this article refers to the native people of Afghanistan as “insurgents” ha just like on the msm.
no wonder we globalist see nothing wrong with our policy! we have an inherent right to every country, god dam it.
Ron Paul is going to be the horse that carries Americans into the NWO. Alex Jones and GCN are paid by the Zions to direct attention from them. The Illuminati which is now the freemasons are the Christian front for the Zionists. Read the now banned book The Thirteenth Tribe, detailed history of the Zions.
February 11th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
The real mission is a psyop making the US believe that Pakistan is a failed state unable to secure its nuclear weapons. Then we provide the security for them. That gives us strategic position in the area with our own access to the Indian Ocean, once the “haters of freedom” in Pakistan are pacified.
NEXT!
February 11th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
OBAMA …its alot easier to RUN for President than it is to BE President Huh?
We need troops in Afghanistan instead of Iraq..LOLOLOL … what a sheeple based campaign “promise” … … ‘duuuuuh yeah honey, dats where are the “real” terrorists are…….’
still waiting to hear him mention 911…. has he since he’s been elected? Wonder if he knows that WE all know it was an inside job……
mrmakymkay Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 7:03 am
if we were truly their to give these people freedom, we shoulda left after murdering the dictator!! we have illegaly occupied a foriegn country all in the ame of democracy!!
February 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
cant wait to see the slew of grey hairs poppin up…..
February 11th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
Happy Birthday to Alex Jones!!! February 11 will be a National Holiday of the USA because we saved The World from the NWO !!!
February 12th, 2009 at 12:01 am
Here is question for anyone. Who are we fighting in Afghanistan? Al Qaeda? Taliban? Narco-terrorist? Maybe we fight someone else. Who was it that attacked us on 911? These are more than rhetorical questions. I hope KNOW this one day.
OJ Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Maybe it’s our own terrorist goverment culling the herd.
February 12th, 2009 at 12:22 am
you cant defeat them people,specially in that kind of terrain
February 12th, 2009 at 12:28 am
It makes me happy to hear that the people of Afghanistan are being strong and fighting tyranny. It’s sad though that US troops are being slaughtered for that to happen.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:00 am
As near as I can tell, the Afghan war is a US Civil War fought in proxy. The Bushes-Clintons CIA drug empire vs. the Rothschild puppet regime in Washington.
I’ve read about 2 wacky scenarios on other sites: the first is a strategic alliance between US, Russia & Iran to gain control of the Afghanistan/Iraq/Pakistan situation. The second is a series of false flag events orchestrated by the CIA designed to bring down Obama’s administration and create martial law that will paralyze the US and enable the CIA/Bush/Clinton drug empire to continue profiting from chaos in Afghanistan, Columbia, etc.
Clear as mud.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:52 am
ok ill tell you why these NWO people want to make more war in the middle east.
its cause they love to kill arabs and muslims and that pissed me off. cause they dont know what peace is.
The only evil in the world is from the Zionist not normal Jews but Zionist and NWO people, they are the true devils among men. like who prays to a 20 foot owe what lost people.
they get off from seeing little kids getting there heads kicked in to the gutter and there brains all over the place.
this is cold hearted murder, f---ing ass holes.
February 12th, 2009 at 2:07 am
“MOSCOW, February 11 (RIA Novosti) – Media reports that the decision to close down a U.S. base in Kyrgyzstan has been delayed due to Moscow and Washington holding talks on the issue are false, the Russian Foreign Ministry said on Wednesday.” http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090211/120094523.html
That will put more pressure on Pakistan, and possibly force some deal with Iran. Talks w/Iran, and US (secret channel) started a few months back. Have become more open since Obama.
sewkr8tez Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 2:12 am
With the unstable political situation they have in Iran. There is great need for Iran to talk tough …. sme thing goes in the US also.
February 12th, 2009 at 2:52 am
no war is ever really won leaving a trail of scars left behind look at AGENT ORANGE fOR instance left generations of mutants behind but yet still denied by government yet it is clearly seen to have an impact , .Who is dealing with these terrorist over here, flying military type jets in the usa skies flying around over here in usa skies, military looking jets spraying streams of white and grey spray ya then turns into clouds CHEMTRAIL CLOUDS covers the sky thick,the sometimes when its clear you see like 5 to 8 or more chem spraying jets out, the sky was full today the lines formed thick grey clouds this is around the philly area ,thick grey clouds like a lead color .and they fly sneaky like to spraying above clouds as i see them leave there trails in openings and fly over the next cloud.and X LIKE GRIDS and long streams lines through the sky, and these are no contrails no no!!many normal planes dont even leave contrails, flying at the same time as the chem trail tankers.this is terrorism i feel terrorized by it!who are the real terrorist it seems to be two kinds crazy middle east ones ,who were trained by usa military there the poor ones.and the rich ones over here in the USA the one who spray us with chemtrails the evil lords the so called illuminated ones put there powers are not as strong as they think!although masters of population reduction and control ,i hope to see them being brought to justice ,but it seems the ones around them are just cowards ,doing what they are told even if it is genocide .how do i even know if ill be effected by the spray if i even survive ,for how long with them spraying? will this ruin our genetics ,cancers,all kinds of sickness kill us how do we know what its going to do? the greedy corporations,the government and the military does not inform the public of this CHEMTRAIL spraying makes it really look like there is some thing to hide some thing very bad TOXIC chemtrail spray seed clouding formulas.as these can be used also carriers for stuff as biological and chemical war fare!like agent orange!THIS UNIFORMED AND DENIED CHEMTRAIL SPRAYING IS HERE BY THE PUPLIC THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A TERROR ATTACK ON THE CITIZENS AND ALL ON USA SOIL!!!and it is all my right and your right to inform warn the puplic the people about the chemicals being released in the skies of the usa or else were!!!!
sewkr8tez Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Dude, this chemtrail stuff smells to me like a disinfo program, meant to deride, and discredit the truth movement.
sewkr8tez Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Dude, this chemtrail stuff smells to me like a disinfo program, meant to deride, and discredit the truth movement.
BTW what does chemtrails have to do with Afghanistan?
February 12th, 2009 at 4:43 am
The Taliban is fighting for our freedom…HA…! Thank you Talidan for not letting them take the war home to us
February 12th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Just wait til they Invade Pakistan then Iran , the next move to completely circle Russia and cut off China of Hydrocarbons it desperatly needs for its growth.
February 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
The only reason we went into afghanistan was they told us no about putting a pipeline from s.e. russia to n. asia. It was gonna run through the n.e. corner of their country.
February 12th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
What does a loss mean in the context of Afghanistan? Does that mean we are losing our portion of the heroin cut? Is someone else muscling in?
February 13th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Just Another Concerned Citizen, good job!Count me in.
February 13th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Oh ,and get us the hell out of Afghanistan NOW!It’s waste!
February 13th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
afghans r a warrier race.
even though they r poor but they love freedom than occupation.Not like lazy americans who want to be brainwashed and become slaves of the NWO.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:30 am
your all full of s---. i was over there with the 3rd of the 187th 101stairborne. them motherf---ers in washington i.e. illuminati are holding us back from wiping out them ragheaded f---sticks. i got out because of it. i would put up any one of my brothers against 10 of them s---bag stinky f---s.
OJ Reply:
February 15th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Ah shades of Veitnem.
February 14th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Alexander the Great could not conquer the Afghans……….. no superpower on earth has been able to subdue the Afghanis.
The Afghan Jihad was a major factor in the demise of the USSR and will be the last straw on the back of the American Empire unless we get out now.
9/11 was an Israeli American inside job so the entire reason for being in Afghanistan is based on a LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE.
Who wants to die for a lie ?
February 14th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Islamic prophecy says the Muslim army that defeats the false Messsiah / Antichrist will come from Khorasan….. AFGHANISTAN…………. Islamic Prophecy says they will be numbering close to 150,000 who are dressed in white, riding on horses, armed with swords and Jesus will join them in Damascus as they march south to defeat the evil leader of Israel and all his followers. The Antichrist is said to be of stocky build, short in stature, a hairy person in comparison, and will have one eye which is bulging out (looks slightly deformed). He will have the ability to perform miracles and the Jews will believe he is their long awaited Messiah. He will be slain at a place called LUD. He is called Masih-Ad-Dajjal in Arabic (The False Messiah).
February 14th, 2009 at 1:54 am
you cannot be a practicing freemason and be a christian asshole. do the research before you post stupid s---. you don’t have a clue. most of you have never even been there, so shut the f--- up untill you at least know what you’re f---ing talking about
February 14th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
For all the televison evangelists out there who were preaching, “this is God’s war”. Have you noticed that God is not in this war at all? He can’t lose a war–he is God.
The military industrial complex manipulated you all into delusion and I hold you all accountable for aiding and abetting the enemy of our freedom and constitution which gives you the rights to proclaim the message. Stand up for the patriots of this land trying to preserve your freedoms. The military industrial complex is the enemy of us all. You have been used for an evil agenda and they will turn on you in the end if freedom falls as they want it to.
unohoo Reply:
February 16th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
You are grown, aren’t . . . you?!
It is for purposes known only to God and His Son when it will all end. All are staged activities by design, with a predetermined out come. Venting is not practical and not relevant to the real issues of the return of Jesus Christ. It is possible He will return in our life time, on the other hand, if some of you continue to go in direction you now go . . . He may make a special trip, just for you.
God bless . . .
February 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
rakman,
I hope you find peace, it had to be brutal over there. We should not be there.
February 15th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Don’t you think it would be better for us if he screws up a war on the other side of the globe, than continue to in the direction He is taking the American people . . . let him have at it.
February 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
It is for purposes known only to God and His Son when it will all end. All are staged activities by design, with a predetermined out come. Venting is not practical and not relevant to the real issues of the return of Jesus Christ. It is possible He will return in our life time, on the other hand, if some of you continue to go in direction you now go . . . He may make a special trip, just for you.
God bless . . .
February 16th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
GREAT IDEA! SEND All THE PEOPLE IN THE U.S . CONGRESS AND THE UNITED STATES SENATE AND THEIR FRIENDS AND FAMLIES TO FIGHT THESE WARS THAT THEY SAY ARE SO IMPORTANT FOR THE UNITED STATES TO SURVIVE. ON SECOND THOUGHT MAKE IT A LAW THAT IF THEY VOTE FOR IT THEY SERVE TILL THE END , THAT SHOULD WAKE THEM UP BEFORE THEY PASS WAR VOTES THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE TO PAY FOR WITH BLOOD. OH BUY THE WAY WHERES BIN LADEN THATS WHAT THIS AFGANISTAN WAR JOKE WAS ABOUT, SOMEONE LIED AGAIN ?( OIL COMPANIES INTEREST) FIGHTING FOR WHAT THE RICH CROOKS THAT WANT IT ALL! SMELL THE STINK! OF COURSE THE NEAREST THOSE PEOPLE WILL GET TO FIGHTING IS AT THE DINNER TABLE FOR THE LAST BAGEL AND LOCKS.
February 17th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
AUGHHHHH YES TAKE A DEEP BREATH, FEEL IT, WATCH THE CONVULSIONS,
THE BLEEDING THE SKIN BLISTER AND FALL OFF THE INSANITY THE DEATH
BIOLOGICALS———GOT YOURS?
February 18th, 2009 at 8:42 am
The “clear hold build” strategy was devised during the war in England between the English and Danish, Edward the Elder was the king, look it up. Odd how strategy is going back to the Dark Ages.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Come on guys things are going just fine in Afghanistan. We have lots of opium on the United States streets fresh from Afghanistan. The problem is that Afghanistans are not making enough to supply CIA and Brazinski. Herowin YUMMY. You guys over there need to grow more faster then they will stop sending some many troops.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
If the situation is so far gone that the war could be lost by summer, then it’s probably already lost in reality.
Where does all this bad news keep coming from.
I want America to win.
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