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War With Iran Might Be Closer Than You Think
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Philip Giraldi
The American Conservative
May 9, 2008
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There is considerable speculation and buzz in Washington today suggesting that the National Security Council has agreed in principle to proceed with plans to attack an Iranian al-Qods-run camp that is believed to be training Iraqi militants. The camp that will be targeted is one of several located near Tehran. Secretary of Defense Robert Gates was the only senior official urging delay in taking any offensive action. The decision to go ahead with plans to attack Iran is the direct result of concerns being expressed over the deteriorating situation in Lebanon, where Iranian ally Hezbollah appears to have gained the upper hand against government forces and might be able to dominate the fractious political situation. The White House contacted the Iranian government directly yesterday through a channel provided by the leadership of the Kurdish region in Iraq, which has traditionally had close ties to Tehran. The US demanded that Iran admit that it has been interfering in Iraq and also commit itself to taking steps to end the support of various militant groups. There was also a warning about interfering in Lebanon. The Iranian government reportedly responded quickly, restating its position that it would not discuss the matter until the US ceases its own meddling employing Iranian dissident groups. The perceived Iranian intransigence coupled with the Lebanese situation convinced the White House that some sort of unambiguous signal has to be sent to the Iranian leadership, presumably in the form of cruise missiles. It is to be presumed that the attack will be as “pinpoint” and limited as possible, intended to target only al-Qods and avoid civilian casualties. The decision to proceed with plans for an attack is not final. The President will still have to give the order to launch after all preparations are made.
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May 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
You talk about hyper-inflation, strike Iran and watch ! Man hole covers in the street will be ripped off by the next night !
May 9th, 2008 at 7:54 pm
This will be what we’ve all been praying would’nt happen. How to stop these maniacs?
May 9th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
true story!
May 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
If it happens, this will be the beginning of the “Crisis/Revolution” that is being whispered among the leadership in Congress. Best to be prepared… just in case.
May 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
If the US attacks Iran, you can kiss life as you know it goodbye. Even a limited surgical strike would escalate into WW III. Why ? Because once hostilities begin, any retaliation will give the BUSH regime to take out the nuclear processing. This will require tactical nuke bunker busters. Then Israel becomes involved. War spreads as Russia who has a vested investment in Iran and other countries get pulled in.
Then its nuclear war, millions die and we have nuclear winter.
Have a nice day !
May 9th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
michael:
that’s a pretty fair assessment imho.
I disagree with the nuke war tho…. the elite doesn’t want to mess their planet too, too much methinks.
i reckon more likely scenario is a few wee suitcase “terror” nukes….lots of threatening… lots of fear mongering, but no real nuke war. Perhaps a limited tactical nuke or three. Bios/pandemic most likely…. just my opinion.
I am a cold war kid…seen this before.
May 9th, 2008 at 9:08 pm
neon Says:
I disagree with the nuke war tho…. the elite doesn’t want to mess their planet too, too much methinks.
ha! they’ve already messed up this planet ….the underground cities are already built.
May 9th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
#5, spot on assessment, Mike. That’s the elite’s objective, in fact: a nihilistic orgy of death that will kill off the majority of humanity. No doubt the elite will have sheltered themselves in deep underground bunkers with enough food and water to last for years, while the rest of us die above ground.
May 9th, 2008 at 9:19 pm
Let the Neocons do it and they will destroy our military and the rest of the country.
Putin is a good chess player! China does not like us at all.
We have pissed off everyone in the world. Find them in their bunkers and bring em out!
If I die I want them to die too!
Please read this now, thanks
Rense.com
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The Sunburn – Iran’s Awesome
Nuclear Anti-Ship Missile
The Weapon That Could
Defeat The US In The Gulf
By Mark Gaffney
11-2-4
A word to the reader: The following paper is so shocking that, after preparing the initial draft, I didn’t want to believe it myself, and resolved to disprove it with more research. However, I only succeeded in turning up more evidence in support of my thesis. And I repeated this cycle of discovery and denial several more times before finally deciding to go with the article. I believe that a serious writer must follow the trail of evidence, no matter where it leads, and report back. So here is my story. Don’t be surprised if it causes you to squirm. Its purpose is not to make predictions history makes fools of those who claim to know the future but simply to describe the peril that awaits us in the Persian Gulf. By awakening to the extent of that danger, perhaps we can still find a way to save our nation and the world from disaster. If we are very lucky, we might even create an alternative future that holds some promise of resolving the monumental conflicts of our time. –MG
Last July, they dubbed it operation Summer Pulse: a simultaneous mustering of US Naval forces, world wide, that was unprecedented. According to the Navy, it was the first exercise of its new Fleet Response Plan (FRP), the purpose of which was to enable the Navy to respond quickly to an international crisis. The Navy wanted to show its increased force readiness, that is, its capacity to rapidly move combat power to any global hot spot. Never in the history of the US Navy had so many carrier battle groups been involved in a single operation. Even the US fleet massed in the Gulf and eastern Mediterranean during operation Desert Storm in 1991, and in the recent invasion of Iraq, never exceeded six battle groups. But last July and August there were seven of them on the move, each battle group consisting of a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier with its full complement of 7-8 supporting ships, and 70 or more assorted aircraft. Most of the activity, according to various reports, was in the Pacific, where the fleet participated in joint exercises with the Taiwanese navy.
But why so much naval power underway at the same time? What potential world crisis could possibly require more battle groups than were deployed during the recent invasion of Iraq? In past years, when the US has seen fit to “show the flag” or flex its naval muscle, one or two carrier groups have sufficed. Why this global show of power? The news headlines about the joint-maneuvers in the South China Sea read: “Saber Rattling Unnerves China”, and: “Huge Show of Force Worries Chinese.” But the reality was quite different, and, as we shall see, has grave ramifications for the continuing US military presence in the Persian Gulf; because operation Summer Pulse reflected a high-level Pentagon decision that an unprecedented show of strength was needed to counter what is viewed as a growing threat in the particular case of China, because of Peking’s newest Sovremenny-class destroyers recently acquired from Russia.
“Nonsense!” you are probably thinking. That’s impossible. How could a few picayune destroyers threaten the US Pacific fleet?” Here is where the story thickens: Summer Pulse amounted to a tacit acknowledgement, obvious to anyone paying attention, that the United States has been eclipsed in an important area of military technology, and that this qualitative edge is now being wielded by others, including the Chinese; because those otherwise very ordinary destroyers were, in fact, launching platforms for Russian-made 3M-82 Moskit anti-ship cruise missiles (NATO designation: SS-N-22 Sunburn), a weapon for which the US Navy currently has no defense. Here I am not suggesting that the US status of lone world Superpower has been surpassed. I am simply saying that a new global balance of power is emerging, in which other individual states may, on occasion, achieve “an asymmetric advantage” over the US. And this, in my view, explains the immense scale of Summer Pulse. The US show last summer of overwhelming strength was calculated to send a message.
The Sunburn Missile
I was shocked when I learned the facts about these Russian-made cruise missiles. The problem is that so many of us suffer from two common misperceptions. The first follows from our assumption that Russia is militarily weak, as a result of the breakup of the old Soviet system. Actually, this is accurate, but it does not reflect the complexities. Although the Russian navy continues to rust in port, and the Russian army is in disarray, in certain key areas Russian technology is actually superior to our own. And nowhere is this truer than in the vital area of anti-ship cruise missile technology, where the Russians hold at least a ten-year lead over the US. The second misperception has to do with our complacency in general about missiles-as-weapons probably attributable to the pathetic performance of Saddam Hussein’s Scuds during the first Gulf war: a dangerous illusion that I will now attempt to rectify.
Many years ago, Soviet planners gave up trying to match the US Navy ship for ship, gun for gun, and dollar for dollar. The Soviets simply could not compete with the high levels of US spending required to build up and maintain a huge naval armada. They shrewdly adopted an alternative approach based on strategic defense. They searched for weaknesses, and sought relatively inexpensive ways to exploit those weaknesses. The Soviets succeeded: by developing several supersonic anti-ship missiles, one of which, the SS-N-22 Sunburn, has been called “the most lethal missile in the world today.”
After the collapse of the Soviet Union the old military establishment fell upon hard times. But in the late1990s Moscow awakened to the under-utilized potential of its missile technology to generate desperately needed foreign exchange. A decision was made to resuscitate selected programs, and, very soon, Russian missile technology became a hot export commodity. Today, Russian missiles are a growth industry generating much-needed cash for Russia, with many billions in combined sales to India, China, Viet Nam, Cuba, and also Iran. In the near future this dissemination of advanced technology is likely to present serious challenges to the US. Some have even warned that the US Navy’s largest ships, the massive carriers, have now become floating death traps, and should for this reason be mothballed.
The Sunburn missile has never seen use in combat, to my knowledge, which probably explains why its fearsome capabilities are not more widely recognized. Other cruise missiles have been used, of course, on several occasions, and with devastating results. During the Falklands War, French-made Exocet missiles, fired from Argentine fighters, sunk the HMS Sheffield and another ship. And, in 1987, during the Iran-Iraq war, the USS Stark was nearly cut in half by a pair of Exocets while on patrol in the Persian Gulf. On that occasion US Aegis radar picked up the incoming Iraqi fighter (a French-made Mirage), and tracked its approach to within 50 miles. The radar also “saw” the Iraqi plane turn about and return to its base. But radar never detected the pilot launch his weapons. The sea-skimming Exocets came smoking in under radar and were only sighted by human eyes moments before they ripped into the Stark, crippling the ship and killing 37 US sailors.
The 1987 surprise attack on the Stark exemplifies the dangers posed by anti-ship cruise missiles. And the dangers are much more serious in the case of the Sunburn, whose specs leave the sub-sonic Exocet in the dust. Not only is the Sunburn much larger and faster, it has far greater range and a superior guidance system. Those who have witnessed its performance trials invariably come away stunned. According to one report, when the Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani visited Moscow in October 2001 he requested a test firing of the Sunburn, which the Russians were only too happy to arrange. So impressed was Ali Shamkhani that he placed an order for an undisclosed number of the missiles.
The Sunburn can deliver a 200-kiloton nuclear payload, or: a 750-pound conventional warhead, within a range of 100 miles, more than twice the range of the Exocet. The Sunburn combines a Mach 2.1 speed (two times the speed of sound) with a flight pattern that hugs the deck and includes “violent end maneuvers” to elude enemy defenses. The missile was specifically designed to defeat the US Aegis radar defense system. Should a US Navy Phalanx point defense somehow manage to detect an incoming Sunburn missile, the system has only seconds to calculate a fire solution not enough time to take out the intruding missile. The US Phalanx defense employs a six-barreled gun that fires 3,000 depleted-uranium rounds a minute, but the gun must have precise coordinates to destroy an intruder “just in time.”
The Sunburn’s combined supersonic speed and payload size produce tremendous kinetic energy on impact, with devastating consequences for ship and crew. A single one of these missiles can sink a large warship, yet costs considerably less than a fighter jet. Although the Navy has been phasing out the older Phalanx defense system, its replacement, known as the Rolling Action Missile (RAM) has never been tested against the weapon it seems destined to one day face in combat. Implications For US Forces in the Gulf
The US Navy’s only plausible defense against a robust weapon like the Sunburn missile is to detect the enemy’s approach well ahead of time, whether destroyers, subs, or fighter-bombers, and defeat them before they can get in range and launch their deadly cargo. For this purpose US AWACs radar planes assigned to each naval battle group are kept aloft on a rotating schedule. The planes “see” everything within two hundred miles of the fleet, and are complemented with intelligence from orbiting satellites.
But US naval commanders operating in the Persian Gulf face serious challenges that are unique to the littoral, i.e., coastal, environment. A glance at a map shows why: The Gulf is nothing but a large lake, with one narrow outlet, and most of its northern shore, i.e., Iran, consists of mountainous terrain that affords a commanding tactical advantage over ships operating in Gulf waters. The rugged northern shore makes for easy concealment of coastal defenses, such as mobile missile launchers, and also makes their detection problematic. Although it was not widely reported, the US actually lost the battle of the Scuds in the first Gulf War termed “the great Scud hunt” and for similar reasons.
Saddam Hussein’s mobile Scud launchers proved so difficult to detect and destroy over and over again the Iraqis fooled allied reconnaissance with decoys that during the course of Desert Storm the US was unable to confirm even a single kill. This proved such an embarrassment to the Pentagon, afterwards, that the unpleasant stats were buried in official reports. But the blunt fact is that the US failed to stop the Scud attacks. The launches continued until the last few days of the conflict. Luckily, the Scud’s inaccuracy made it an almost useless weapon. At one point General Norman Schwarzkopf quipped dismissively to the press that his soldiers had a greater chance of being struck by lightning in Georgia than by a Scud in Kuwait.
But that was then, and it would be a grave error to allow the Scud’s ineffectiveness to blur the facts concerning this other missile. The Sunburn’s amazing accuracy was demonstrated not long ago in a live test staged at sea by the Chinese and observed by US spy planes. Not only did the Sunburn missile destroy the dummy target ship, it scored a perfect bull’s eye, hitting the crosshairs of a large “X” mounted on the ship’s bridge. The only word that does it justice, awesome, has become a cliché, hackneyed from hyperbolic excess.
The US Navy has never faced anything in combat as formidable as the Sunburn missile. But this will surely change if the US and Israel decide to wage a so-called preventive war against Iran to destroy its nuclear infrastructure. Storm clouds have been darkening over the Gulf for many months. In recent years Israel upgraded its air force with a new fleet of long-range F-15 fighter-bombers, and even more recently took delivery of 5,000 bunker-buster bombs from the US weapons that many observers think are intended for use against Iran.
The arming for war has been matched by threats. Israeli officials have declared repeatedly that they will not allow the Mullahs to develop nuclear power, not even reactors to generate electricity for peaceful use. Their threats are particularly worrisome, because Israel has a long history of pre-emptive war. Never mind that such a determination is not Israel’s to make, and belongs instead to the international community, as codified in the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT). With regard to Iran, the International Atomic Energy Agency’s (IAEA’s) recent report (September 2004) is well worth a look, as it repudiates facile claims by the US and Israel that Iran is building bombs. While the report is highly critical of Tehran for its ambiguities and its grudging release of documents, it affirms that IAEA inspectors have been admitted to every nuclear site in the country to which they have sought access, without exception. Last year Iran signed the strengthened IAEA inspection protocol, which until then had been voluntary. And the IAEA has found no hard evidence, to date, either that bombs exist or that Iran has made a decision to build them.
In a talk on October 3, 2004, IAEA Director General Mohamed El Baradei made the clearest statement yet: “Iran has no nuclear weapons program”, he said, and then repeated himself for emphasis: “Iran has no nuclear weapons program, but I personally don’t rush to conclusions before all the realities are clarified. So far I see nothing that could be called an imminent danger. I have seen no nuclear weapons program in Iran. What I have seen is that Iran is trying to gain access to nuclear enrichment technology, and so far there is no danger from Iran. Therefore, we should make use of political and diplomatic means before thinking of resorting to other alternatives.”
No one disputes that Tehran is pursuing a dangerous path, but with 200 or more Israeli nukes targeted upon them the Iranians’ insistence on keeping their options open is understandable. Clearly, the nuclear nonproliferation regime today hangs by the slenderest of threads. The world has arrived at a fateful crossroads.
A Fearful Symmetry?
If a showdown over Iran develops in the coming months, the man who could hold the outcome in his hands will be thrust upon the world stage. That man, like him or hate him, is Russian President Vladimir Putin. He has been castigated severely in recent months for gathering too much political power to himself. But according to former Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev, who was interviewed on US television recently by David Brokaw, Putin has not imposed a tyranny upon Russia yet. Gorbachev thinks the jury is still out on Putin.
Perhaps, with this in mind, we should be asking whether Vladimir Putin is a serious student of history. If he is, then he surely recognizes that the deepening crisis in the Persian Gulf presents not only manifold dangers, but also opportunities. Be assured that the Russian leader has not forgotten the humiliating defeat Ronald Reagan inflicted upon the old Soviet state. (Have we Americans forgotten?) By the mid-1980s the Soviets were in Kabul, and had all but defeated the Mujahedeen. The Soviet Union appeared secure in its military occupation of Afghanistan. But then, in 1986, the first US Stinger missiles reached the hands of the Afghani resistance; and, quite suddenly, Soviet helicopter gunships and MiGs began dropping out of the skies like flaming stones. The tide swiftly turned, and by 1989 it was all over but the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth in the Kremlin. Defeated, the Soviets slunk back across the frontier. The whole world cheered the American Stingers, which had carried the day.
This very night, as he sips his cognac, what is Vladimir Putin thinking? Is he perhaps thinking about the perverse symmetries of history? If so, he may also be wondering (and discussing with his closest aides) how a truly great nation like the United States could be so blind and so stupid as to allow another state, i.e., Israel, to control its foreign policy, especially in a region as vital (and volatile) as the Mid-East.
One can almost hear the Russians’ animated conversation:
“The Americans! What is the matter with them?” “They simply cannot help themselves.”
“What idiots!”
“A nation as foolish as this deserves to be taught a lesson”
“Yes! For their own good.”
“It must be a painful lesson, one they will never forget. “Are we agreed, then, comrades?”
“Let us teach our American friends a lesson about the limits of military power…”
Does anyone really believe that Vladimir Putin will hesitate to seize a most rare opportunity to change the course of history and, in the bargain, take his sweet revenge? Surely Putin understands the terrible dimensions of the trap into which the US has blundered, thanks to the Israelis and their neo-con supporters in Washington who lobbied so vociferously for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, against all friendly and expert advice, and who even now beat the drums of war against Iran. Would Putin be wrong to conclude that the US will never leave the region unless it is first defeated militarily? Should we blame him for deciding that Iran is “one bridge too far”?
If the US and Israel overreach, and the Iranians close the net with Russian anti-ship missiles, it will be a fearful symmetry, indeed.
Springing the Trap
At the battle of Cannae in 216 BC, the great Carthaginian general, Hannibal, tempted a much larger Roman army into a fateful advance, and then enveloped and annihilated it with a smaller force. Out of a Roman army of 70,000 men, no more than a few thousand escaped. It was said that after many hours of dispatching the Romans, Hannibal’s soldiers grew so tired that the fight went out of them. In their weariness they granted the last broken and bedraggled Romans their lives.
Let us pray that the US sailors who are unlucky enough to be on duty in the Persian Gulf when the shooting starts can escape the fate of the Roman army at Cannae. The odds will be heavily against them, however, because they will face the same type of danger, tantamount to envelopment. The US ships in the Gulf will already have come within range of the Sunburn missiles and the even more-advanced SS-NX-26 Yakhonts missiles, also Russian-made (speed: Mach 2.9; range: 180 miles) deployed by the Iranians along the Gulf’s northern shore. Every US ship will be exposed and vulnerable. When the Iranians spring the trap, the entire lake will become a killing field.
Anti-ship cruise missiles are not new, as I’ve mentioned. Nor have they yet determined the outcome in a conflict. But this is probably only because these horrible weapons have never been deployed in sufficient numbers. At the time of the Falklands war the Argentine air force possessed only five Exocets, yet managed to sink two ships. With enough of them, the Argentineans might have sunk the entire British fleet, and won the war. Although we’ve never seen a massed attack of cruise missiles, this is exactly what the US Navy could face in the next war in the Gulf.
Try and imagine it if you can: barrage after barrage of Exocet-class missiles, which the Iranians are known to possess in the hundreds, as well as the unstoppable Sunburn and Yakhonts missiles. The questions that our purblind government leaders should be asking themselves, today, if they value what historians will one day write about them, are two: how many of the Russian anti-ship missiles has Putin already supplied to Iran? And: How many more are currently in the pipeline?
In 2001, Jane’s Defense Weekly reported that Iran was attempting to acquire anti-ship missiles from Russia. Ominously, the same report also mentioned that the more advanced Yakhonts missile was “optimized for attacks against carrier task forces.” Apparently its guidance system is “able to distinguish an aircraft carrier from its escorts.” The numbers were not disclosed.
The US Navy will come under fire even if the US does not participate in the first so-called surgical raids on Iran’s nuclear sites, that is, even if Israel goes it alone. Israel’s brand-new fleet of 25 F-15s (paid for by American taxpayers) has sufficient range to target Iran, but the Israelis cannot mount an attack without crossing US-occupied Iraqi air space. It will hardly matter if Washington gives the green light, or is dragged into the conflict by a recalcitrant Israel. Either way, the result will be the same. The Iranians will interpret US acquiescence as complicity, and, in any event, they will understand that the real fight is with the Americans. The Iranians will be entirely within their rights to counter-attack in self-defense. Most of the world will see it this way, and will support them, not America. The US and Israel will be viewed as the aggressors, even as the unfortunate US sailors in harm’s way become cannon fodder. In the Gulf’s shallow and confined waters evasive maneuvers will be difficult, at best, and escape impossible. Even if US planes control of the skies over the battlefield, the sailors caught in the net below will be hard-pressed to survive. The Gulf will run red with American blood.
From here, it only gets worse. Armed with their Russian-supplied cruise missiles, the Iranians will close the lake’s only outlet, the strategic Strait of Hormuz, cutting off the trapped and dying Americans from help and rescue. The US fleet massing in the Indian Ocean will stand by helplessly, unable to enter the Gulf to assist the survivors or bring logistical support to the other US forces on duty in Iraq. Couple this with a major new ground offensive by the Iraqi insurgents, and, quite suddenly, the tables could turn against the Americans in Baghdad. As supplies and ammunition begin to run out, the status of US forces in the region will become precarious. The occupiers will become the besieged.
With enough anti-ship missiles, the Iranians can halt tanker traffic through Hormuz for weeks, even months. With the flow of oil from the Gulf curtailed, the price of a barrel of crude will skyrocket on the world market. Within days the global economy will begin to grind to a halt. Tempers at an emergency round-the-clock session of the UN Security Council will flare and likely explode into shouting and recriminations as French, German, Chinese and even British ambassadors angrily accuse the US of allowing Israel to threaten world order. But, as always, because of the US veto the world body will be powerless to act… America will stand alone, completely isolated.
Yet, despite the increasingly hostile international mood, elements of the US media will spin the crisis very differently here at home, in a way that is sympathetic to Israel. Members of Congress will rise to speak in the House and Senate, and rally to Israel’s defense, while blaming the victim of the attack, Iran. Fundamentalist Christian talk show hosts will proclaim the historic fulfillment of biblical prophecy in our time, and will call upon the Jews of Israel to accept Jesus into their hearts; meanwhile, urging the president to nuke the evil empire of Islam. From across America will be heard histrionic cries for fresh reinforcements, even a military draft. Patriots will demand victory at any cost. Pundits will scream for an escalation of the conflict.
A war that ostensibly began as an attempt to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons will teeter on the brink of their use.
Conclusion
Friends, we must work together to prevent such a catastrophe. We must stop the next Middle East war before it starts. The US government must turn over to the United Nations the primary responsibility for resolving the deepening crisis in Iraq, and, immediately thereafter, withdraw US forces from the country. We must also prevail upon the Israelis to sign the Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and open all of their nuclear sites to IAEA inspectors. Only then can serious talks begin with Iran and other states to establish a nuclear weapon free zone (NWFZ) in the Mid East so essential to the region’s long-term peace and security. 10/26/04 “ICH”
*Mark Gaffney’s first book, Dimona the Third Temple? (1989), was a pioneering study of Israel’s nuclear weapons program. He has since published numerous important articles about the Mid-East with emphasis on nuclear proliferation issues.
May 9th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Gog-Magog war? Ezekiel 38 on the horizon?
May 9th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
i doubt they wanna live underground.. they WANT to reduce the population to a sufficient amount of slaves to tend to their needs.
They want to live on THEIR new earth with THEIR new order.
Just don’t make sense to call for a large scale nuke war..unless someone actually believes that there is a nuclear capable country not under their control..[ i.e. the mad man/lone gunman scenario ]
think about it.
bios much more suitable imho. Few smallish nukes for fear…
Fek..they have enough money to live underground already….
May 9th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
VOTE RON PAUL! If it becomes an option. Violence, death, terror, fear, horror are just some of the arrows in their quiver. They are so transparent , and now is the time to act. Get the word out. Do what you can. Protect your loved ones. Reduce or eliminate debt. Reduce exposure. Get out of equities. Beyond that, live every day to the fullest and remember that none of us get out of this alive.
May 9th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
I agree with Eric. Vote Ron Paul. Let’s simplify our foreign policy and get the fuck out of the Middle East & every other place our military is stationed.
May 9th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
NWO controls both sides in every war. They control Bush, McCain, Clinton, Obama. They control Israel. They INSTALLED KHOMEINI.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:51 pm
maybe the sun god jesus will help us…doubt it
May 9th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
#15 Sun God my buttocks. Google Video “Zeitgeist refuted” and get a real education.
The tail doesn’t wag the dog son.
May 9th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
YES the NWO DOES control both sides of every war as well as Russia and China. One thing everyone seems to miss is that the NWO is NOT based in the USA…it is in LONDON, ENGLAND where it has been since the 1500’s. The USA is just a facade doing the British elites bidding…it is “the Harlot of Babylon”.
Here’s how its going down…
The USA will start war with Iran which eventually (soon after initiation) will devolve into using Nukes. When the USA nukes Iran that will be the green light for Russia to nuke the USA. Short nuclear exchange with Russia and it’s Bye Bye USA (at least most of it…the US will still be able to provide soldiers for the NWO military and build weapons), Russia will survive since they have always PLANNED and built infrastructure to survive (unlike the USA which stopped planning or educating the public 30 years plus ago). The new kid on the block (USA) will be destroyed, Russia which is part of the Old Guard (a former monarchical empire) has been promised a seat at the adults table at t he NWO party. The colony (USA) will join the rest of the colonies (South America, Africa etc.). However they in London do not trust the Russians (its an old fight there) so they will want its capacities reduced.
China does not have a dog in this fight (yet) so they will not attack their NWO “masters” (yet). China has been a NWO project since Mao was installed…the Londoners think they have that totally under control (and do to an extent) since China has danced to their tune very cooperatively for so long. The Chinese Olympics fiasco is intended to bitch slap the Chinese through disgrace which is a BIG deal in Chinese elite culture…that’ll keep em in their place for awhile, that and their total lust for bobbles (huge dams, giant modern cities, cars…etc.).
Israel is another front/facade/focal point of scorn, concern etc/operative (armies, Moussad, nukes, easily manipulated like the USA…another finger on the puppet. Notice none of the Rothschilds or NWO elites LIVE in Israel. They HAVE to kill the Muslims, all of them, and ISRAEL is the spearhead for that effort. It will however survive the initial US/Israel/Iran etc war (the Muslims will not destroy Jerusalem since only Pakistan has nukes and they don’t fly straight or possibly not at all AND Jerusalem is sacred). Israel is moving now to isolate/divide Syria, Iran and Lebanon. Phase 1 is being setup right now with civil war in Lebanon which will suck Syria into it thus they will be too busy to fight Israel. It will continue to be a spearhead against the Muslims for the NWO.
Of course population reduction and control is integral in all this. Control from destroying the apparent leaders, the USA and Russia, throwing the world into political chaos and into the hands of the E.U or precipitating the formation of some world governing council. Whatever is left of the headless US and Russian military will be absorbed into the “World” Army forming its core infrastructure. Reduction from the wars and chaos leading to a lockup of the food supply and mass starvation (already under way).
The Londoners/NWO clan plan on having their big coming out party at the 2012 London Olympics which will be like Hitlers 1936 “games” complete with marching armies and praise of the “leaders”…so they have to get this project back on schedule pronto.
As for the USA? In the bible story “the Harlot of Babylon” gets toasted, utterly destroyed, in about an hour…and they world cries “what shall we do now?”.
May 10th, 2008 at 12:17 am
Everything PNW Outback said is completely true. He could prove every assertion he made. NWO installed Khomeini!
May 10th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Some divine intervention would help but I believe that sort of help is reserved for those who have earned it and I`m sorry as a country we don`t rate. It would seem the die has been cast. We continue to expend billions in an unjust war, billions building the kingdom of the antichrist of the bible while tens of thousands here in the U.S. go hungry and are without shelter or medical care. Our parents, their parents, and now for some time we allowed those in power to run amok and unchecked as long as we were not inconvenienced, so what is now taking place is in all truth the result of our own apathetic attitudes.
This, the invasion of Iran, will trigger events and set in motion scenarios which will paraell the Biblical events of Revelation.
May 10th, 2008 at 12:31 am
Oh yeah right,like youd even have to convince the dictator in cheif King Bush the II that attacking iran is a good idea.He’ll just do it,the asshole.
May 10th, 2008 at 12:32 am
And i agree with direwolfalpha
May 10th, 2008 at 12:50 am
http://www.comcast.net/article.....remations/
Nanismo by desing
May 10th, 2008 at 5:48 am
“The US demanded that Iran admit that it has been interfering in Iraq…” Once again the US is demanding a sovereign nation prove a negative. This is seriously the oldest trick in the book. What the hell ever happened to presenting evidence to support an allegation? Why can’t the US show us their evidence? There’d be no reason to demand a confession if the evidence really existed. Basically, to my way of reading, to ask a nation to prove a negative is tantamount to admitting the US has got absolutely no justification for it’s war aggression whatsoever. The very way in which they’re going about this proves they’re making it all up. Where’s the evidence? Show me.
May 10th, 2008 at 5:57 am
I can tell that there is alot of mixed opinions on the topic of Iran. So i thought i would just add some of my insight here. The fact stands, that until you see Iran directly attack another country, all the conspiracies and hype do not justify any kind of war.
The Iranian president, is actually a very humble man, who unlike any other president does not actually seek any financial gain. That is what is scary about him to the western world, that oh my god, we have a president that speaks whats on his mind, rather than lie to us so we can believe the movie we are trying to portray like every other leader. Yes the Iranian president is a muslim, since when has submitting to the one god who created the heavens and the earth, and everything between them become a crime?
The Iranian president is very much open to discussions with the western world, however it is the western world who do not want to talk. Ofcourse, if there is a leader that doesnt follow the world agenda, because he sees all the flaws and lies within it, the onfcourse there is nothing to talk about as we just cant start talking about the truth.
They say Iran funds the hezbollah. Well, i fail to see how that is a crime, because the only reason Hezbollah was set up in the first place, was because of Israel invading Lebanon. If Hezbollah did not exist, Lebanon today would be called Israel. But ofcourse, that is a good thing, damn that bloody Hezbollah terrorist keeps preventing us from by passing that border! He is a terrorist surely!
Wake up, when you see american soldiers on non-american soil, interfering in countries where they have no interest with the people, just there resources, and suddenly some one says hey back off, get off my land, they are terrorists ofcourse. If Iran sent their soldiers to America, to safegaurd the world from the Terrorists in the White House, that have killed more people than any terroist group could even dream of, what would all of you be saying then? Or how about if we cam e to your country, kicked you out of your houses, raped your wives and children before shooting them, and then finished it off with a couple of missile campaigns, i am sure you would surely love us, as you expect us to love you. Yet we are tolerant, and we do not dislike the american people, we only dislike the the american policy makers who dont actually care about you american people either. Their interests and your interests are not actually the same thing, and when you come to realise this, and drop the patriotism that is instilled in you by the propranganda media, then you will realise the truth. I bet no soldier or American actually knew what a Kosovan look like, but they were still somehow a threat to the americans during the clinton admin. Wake up guys, the war isnt between humans, it is against the invinsible hand that feeds us crap to fight each other for their own interests not ours. We as people in every country of every race and religion are merely victims and pawns in their game!
May 10th, 2008 at 6:17 am
Watching the slavering,neocon dogs of war these last few months,straining at their leashes,gnashing their teeth to go for Iran I would suggest from this article that they now have their paltry excuse.In fact Mahmoud probably only has to decry the quality of the American hot-dog these days to invite a rain of destruction upon his country.May we call these insane bastards to account before the nukes begin to fly because if we don’t we are all toast.
May 10th, 2008 at 7:09 am
HHH said:
“The fact stands, that until you see Iran directly attack another country, all the conspiracies and hype do not justify any kind of war.”
Well, HHH, they do. In that, Iraq and Afghanistan did not attack nor threaten anyone and it didn’t stop the current illegal invasion and occupation that is now 5 years old which has killed hundreds of thousands while rendering millions homeless. This was all predicated on lies, rhetoric and propaganda that is now being flung in the direction of Iran, Venezuela and Syria.
It didn’t stop the Neocon/Globalist machine then and I can’t see it stopping them now. It’s quite probable their murdrous rampage will continue. It’s not a conspiracy nor hype that has us all watching the noise on Iran, it’s based on past actions of the cabal that seeks world power and control.
May 10th, 2008 at 7:49 am
#24 HHH well said!
May 10th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Russia I am sure is not happy with any of this. The Bible predicted that Gog/Magog (Russia) and its allies will come against Israel. The main ally is Iran. Russia will head the way along with its allies. Don’t believe me, then Read Ezekiel 38-40 or in that area.
Anybody that calls themselves a Christian and doesn’t support Israel is crazy. God said many times that Israel is “my people”. We know we are in the latter days/years because Israel has once again became a nation(1948)…. read Ezekiel 38:8. Once Israel becomes a nation once again Russia and her allies will come against her.
Ezekiel 38:8
After many days you will be visited. In the latter years you will come into the land of those brought back from the sword and gathered from many people on the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate; they were brought out of the nations, and now all of them dwell safely.
Ezekiel 36:28
Then you shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; you shall be My people, and I will be your God.
Ezekiel 37:12
Therefore prophesy and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “Behold, O My people, I will open your graves and cause you to come up from your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Ezekiel 38:16
You will come up against My people Israel like a cloud, to cover the land. It will be in the latter days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me, when I am hallowed in you, O Gog, before their eyes.”
May 10th, 2008 at 8:39 am
The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder
http://www.commondreams.org/ar.....5/09/8834/
May 10th, 2008 at 9:02 am
#30 I could not have said it better myself.
These people will just stand there when the feds and cops come for them
and hold up their Bibles!
May 10th, 2008 at 9:05 am
Not only should George Bush be prosecuted for mureder, but any in Congress who have supported the pre emptive war efforts of Bush should also be prosecuted for accessory to murder.
#28 derek: the prophecies of Ezekiel Gog Magog 38-39 have already been fulfilled by Antiochus Epiphanes. Rather than God blessing anyone who supports the nation state of Israel, God will treat them like He would treat anyone who supports unrighteousness. The words of prophecy in Revelation are general prophecies that have seen their fulfillment time and again since the resurrection of Jesus Christ throughout the Church Age. Christ could return at any given instant. Do not put stock in thinking another temple needs to built on the Temple Rock, or that one particular person, Antichrist, needs to sit in that temple, before Christ returns. There is no pre tribulation rapture of the Church as many would like to fantasize. All our trials and tribulations are Great. Those who have died in Christ live and reign with Him now.
Government and church leadership in the United States has been lying and worshipping mammon. The United States as a nation in general is being made humble, and will be made even more humble, the more its government insists on interfering in other nations around the world.
May 10th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Hi Derek,
Thanks for that insight in regards to Gog/Magog. I am glad you brought it up, because you helped me connect a few more dots. You see, i had no idea that the Christian faith acknowledged these people previously. In the Quran, they are also the sign of the end of days.
So to connect the 2 books, this is my understanding on the subject:
1) It is not deffinate that the Gog/Magog is Russia or China, this is not stated in the bible, it is just a possible interpretation and analysis.
2) The Quranic interpretation is that the Gog/Magog were people who did great mischief historically, so therefore a King/prophet whose name is not mention just described as a man with a 2 horn hat, who travelled the vast lands, came to see them, was asked by the people in the area for protection against them, so in between the 2 sharp edged mountains, he cast an iron barrier between the Gog/Magog and us, so thus they are not able to scale it nor dig through it, therefore protecting humanity.
However he states that the barrier is temporary until God wills to turn the metal into dust therefore unleashing the Gog/Magog like waves on one another, then the trumpet will be blown and we shall collect them together, and we shall present hell that day to the unbelievers to see all spread out.
You see, i never knew that they were located in the north of israel (the mountain which they are buried under).
This does not mean that christians that dont support israel are crazy. You see, it is our belief that Jesus Christ will take the believers on top of a mountain, just before the Gog/Magog are unleashed. Therefore saving the believers and killing all the non believers.
Just as a point to make out, the word islam means to submit to God, a muslim is a person who submits to god. The Quran describes true christians and Jews as Muslims i.e. people who submit to the one god.
The war which links back to israel, america, and the rest of the world, is not against the jewish religion, it is against the evil forces, who are the invisible hand, who oppress us through the jewish or christian name, as they dont want to officially admit that they are satan worshipors in the public eye. They are not doing any justice to any of our religions. We all have a true path infront of us, it is just a question of whether you are able to analyse the religion yourself and find that path, or get mislead by the path which calls itself islam, christanity, judasim, but in all honustly is being manipulated by satan or the anti-christ.
You see the islamic perspective again, like the christian perspecitve, is that these invisible hands ie. illuminati, free mason or whatever you want to call them, are ultimately being led by the anti-christ who will soon manifest, first claim to be a prophet, and then claim to be God himself. But as our prophet taught us, your true God is not one eyed. But he will have magical powers to decieve you with his illusions. So be on the watch out guys! And follow him not! for if you do, you will be on the wrong path.
And all these secret organisations and occults worship him, as he has already convinced them as they are unbelievers that he is God, since man finds it easier to worship the visible rather than the invisible supreme being. Doing evil is alot easier than doing good. Robbing some one, is easier that giving charity to some one. So they try to manipulate our religion to take us down the wrong path, and hence the Quran had to be released as God anticipated this manipulation so he wrote a book that no man can change, and has not been changed since its inception. So the complete truth is out there if anyone wants to give it a read. The bible and the Torah are all valid religions in the eyes of God and Islam, but have been manipulated over the years especially after the dark ages. The bible was released because the Torah had been manipulated by the Jews, so Jesus came to save the Jews. The Quran was released because the bible had been manipulated. So a book had to come to keep the truth as it was written. Hence why there are many versions of the bible and the Torah, but only one Quran.
I am not trying to say anything bad against my brother in Judism and Christanity, as even the muslims with the book of truth dont even take the time out to read it, so they are not saints either. But all of us as humans, and brothers just need to keep an open mind about what is actually happening in the world, if we have an hope of preventing the inevitable rule of evil before Jesus Christ Comes back to save us!
May 10th, 2008 at 9:26 am
All out war with Iran ?
This is question always troubles me, due to the size and military capabilities of Iran.
I predict a more subtle approch in the form of humanitarian aid to take over Iran.
Here is the scenario,
firstly it started last september with Israel bombing syria this was to ensure that syria was an enamy of the west and israel and to bolster the position of Bashar al-assad in relation to Iran.
Now lets look at Bashar al-assad he was the younger brother of Basil al-assad.Basil died on 21/1/1994 after a supposed CAR CRASH but unofficaly it is said he was murderd paveing the way for Bashar to become in time the syrian president. At the time of his brothers death Bashar was studying at the Western Eye Hospital in London and also met his wife Asma who was born and raised in Acton west london.Now could it be that Bashar al-assad is infact a Mi6 asset ?
OK on with the scenario
The Bushehr nuclear power plant is due to go online in the very near future,lets say there was a rouge scientist working on the plant and he or she was able to exchange a EU (enriched urainium)fuel rod which contains around 3-4% U235 for a HEU (highly enriched uranium) rod which contains 90% U235 if this was to happen then the Bushehr power plant would meltdown causing a massive humaitarian disaster thus allowing america into Iran via the UN.
Discuss.
May 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
All out war on Iran is not a feasible option to the USA at present times.
This is because they are already struggling with Iraq, and have overcommited their forces in other regions. Having said that though, The 2 neighboring countries of Iran are Iraq and Afghanistan, both American Occupied States! So they have strategically closed in on Iran now, in order to attack from both borders.
However, unlike Iraq, unlike Afghanistan and any other Arab neighbouring country, Iran has a population of 70 million people, out of which every man must duly exercise military service.
The Iranian General has made it clear, that if Iran feels threatend in any way, they are able to dispatch 10 million soldiers within 24 hours. So it is a completely differnt type of war. Also, unlike Iraq, Iran has all the natural terrain, with mountains surrounding even the capital Tehran. It is not a dry flat desert state.
Iran, has since the Iran Iraq war prepared itself militarily as a priority. They are much more organised, and structured than any other army in the region. The iranian people are brave warriors themselves, and do not fear their enemies.
In regards to Nuclear weapons, it is very obvious that Iran already has these. The nuclear enrichment program is in actual fact for peaceful objectives. They have the right to create energy sources just as much as any other country.
The key thing here aswell, is that Iran has been under sanctions pretty much since the revolution in the 70’s. What this means to Iran, is that everything in Iran, is made in Iran. Everything from pencils, lcds, cars, guns and bullets. This means that they are a completely self sufficient country. Highly more advanced than any prior enemy the US has been fighting.
So in my personal opinion, i deffinately would assume that the NWO will use their invisible hand of manipulating the Iranian people to overthrow their own goverment, to make way for a western backed government, rather than take on an outright war, which will send more body bags to America, then they have ever experienced historically.
May 10th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Great info HHH, I agree this is a path to make forward progress for the NWO.
May 10th, 2008 at 11:43 am
NWO controls both sides in every war.
May 10th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
HHH may Allah (God) reward you,
Islam is the Truth from the Lord and the NWO is hiding it from the West and trying to destroy Muslims
So many wars and conflicts worldwide in the past 1000 years have involved subverting and killing various ethnicities of Muslims
salaamu alaikum
May 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
NWO IS EVIL SO ARE MUSLIMS! MOHAMMED IS THE FALSE PROPHET! THE MUSLIMS ONLY SURVIVE DUE TO THE BACKING OF RUSSIA, CHINA AND OTHER UNHOLY ALLIANCES! ALL OF YOU ARE POWERS OF DARKNESS THAT NEED TO BE ERADICATED!
May 10th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Islam is twisted, and a LIE #39
May 10th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
All religion are corrupt and feed into divide and conquer strategies.
May 10th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Most of you are worthless. You come in here and spout of about why or when or what god said or will do. You are awake to see this evil and choose to add nothing constructive to thhis activist arena. Im sure Alex must get very upset reading these comments. He has stuck his neck out for all of us and this is how we use his forum.
Alot of you should be ashamed. Your just as bad as the elite you hate. You know of the evil and would rather talk about whos running it or other stupid nuances, instead of mobalizing and sharing ideas. Basically your on the elite’s side. This is what they want you to do. I refer people to this website for real important news and if they read the comments they are apt to think this is a cook website.
I guess its just the lingering affects of the mass pop culture brainwashing. Everyone still needs to feel like their the smart one or cool/funny whatever. It makes me f’n sick.
You never woke up
May 10th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
My name#43. I love it when guys like you cry me a river about what other people do and say. To suggest that these people are as bad as the NWO is boarderline retarded. Why don’t you focus more on your own contributions if you think everyone else but you is so stupid.
Sure, alot of kinds of people comment here. Some are government stooges, but don’t let it get your panties in a bunch and ruin your day.
As far as Iran goes, yeah, attack looks imminent. Gotta keep up the Chao to get the ordo.
May 10th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
#43
wheres your great ideas? you come here just to call us all worthless and say we never woke up but you havent said one thing that is useful
#43 your such a joke
May 10th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
The thing is these running insult wars. Just because someone says something you don’t like you shouldn’t comment on it unless it’s constructive. I get tired of the attempts at humor that usually end up appearing sophomoric at best. But geez everyone, let’s all be cool and let each other vent a little, but not at each other. This is our fight, let us stop tribing and triping up.
May 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
My name.
I agree. Ive been trying to organise people here in the u.k against chemtrails, the people who post video’s and write things. Whats happened? Nothing.
There I am preparing to be the talking head (aka the target), and they are all hoping that they wont have to contribute and hoping a mass movement will solve their problems while they talk a good conspiracy theory. Yes it does make me sick, and thats why now I realise that most of the people on these sites are just as fucked as the other sheeple.
Go on, have a go at me. Most of your a fucking pathetic, at least ive posted newletters to my community and spend time outside talking to people.
Theres so much more im aware of that I can tell people about and I am, not on the web however, but in the end 99% of people are willfully ignorant and most of the rest are just to frightened.
Unless each of you gets of your asses your fucked, were fucked, everything is fucked. Oh thats another thing, I dont think that any of your gods have ever respected people who sit idly by letting evil work its way, so no your not assured to getting into heaven by being idle.
May 10th, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Thats all I meant Davy. You put it better than I. Im sorry, this is all very upsetting. I spend day in and day out consumed with spreading info in my community. As anyone who does the same would know that can be so very depressing. People really prefer to pretend. I have had people stop talking to me after giving them a copy of Endgame. Its sad. I look at my 6 yr old hold him tight and wish we all didnt fuck this world up for him and his generation.
Im not getting on a soap box or anything. I was just venting at the fact seem to see less and less constructive comments on this forumn. I love my fellow man and hope you and your families are taken care of through this hell we may be entering
May 10th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Besides I surely wasnt referring to Gabriel,Davey,Thomas or Ty. I see you all post here and you really dont go off the deepend in to nonsense
May 10th, 2008 at 8:36 pm
American men have become soft. Softened up with material comforts. They have us exactly where they want us. We are screwed. Maybe that’s what End Game really means. The END of OUR game.. At least the illegal aliens have the courage enough to get up off their ass and protest. We dont even do that.. Nobody gives a rat’s ass what’s happening. All the softened American male cares about is his SUV, his boat and his nights out cheating on his wife. Well that’s all going to come to an end.. What a pathetic site it is going to be seeing them beat all of you with batons.. And you will sob as they take away your worldly possessions and cops with IQs less than 78 sex it up with your wives. It’s not far off. So just continue on as you are, lazy, useless and thinking you have the world by the ass because your lawn has no weeds. Surely we are all crazy.. Nothing is going to happen..
May 10th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
my name
sorry, i was a bit harsh
after reading your last 2 comments i know where your coming from when you say i give people a copy of endgame and they stop talking to you
i try to tell people about the nwo and they just dont want to hear it, i stopped talking about it with family and friends because they just wont go look it up for them selfs, instead they just say “its impossible for the government to be the bad guys”
some people just wont believe it no matter how much evidence you have.
May 10th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
My name.
Michael Becker.
Well said Michael. I like the bit about weeds!
Ive passed many stages so far in my awakening process. Im still frustrated but my depression has subsided. I have no illusions, i feel like im standing atop the walls of an ancient city watching a vast army of evil setting itself up just out of bow shot. A few people are standing on those ramparts with me, watching it come, while the city behind us is alive with people continuing on with their ordinary lives, declaring us who are warning them to be mad. All we ask is for them to climb up and look, but they dont. The rest doesnt need to be explained, but I will say at this stage i just want them to get fucking on with it and attack. I want them to come with all they have got so at least im not living in this dream reality any more. I have my plans and im building up my knowledge on certain area’s that will give me and my closest family the best chance. The best defence is – seem not to exist.
I live in a area surrounded by farms and you know what at least 4 out of 5 fields have been planted with? Grass. Yup, its going to be good for horses.
Thanks to some reading I can now walk outside my house and collect a meal of wild plants within 30 mins. Dandylions, Clover, Dock, Nettles etc.
I wish we could all get together and disapear to a rare wild corner of the world. Sadly we cant. All I can do is wish you all luck. Have courage and remember when a pendulum swings to the right it will always swing back to the left. Tyrannies rise and fall and we’re the better for them when we start to heal.
Good luck.
May 10th, 2008 at 10:12 pm
Dear Friends, brothers and sisters,
I seem to hear the same comments over and over again, to the tune of, lets not say God this and God that, and we all know the existence of the NWO and their evil, but why don’t you actually suggest what we can do about it rather than simply acknowledge it and sit idly.
Ok, here is my take on this view:
Change and solution can only come about when the world is enlightened and aware of what is actually going on. If you have come to this site, and you are reading this message, then it is safe to assume that you are already aware. Now, what we need my friends, brothers and sisters, is to actively pursue ideas, suggestions and implement them in regards to spreading the message globally. It all starts with baby steps. If every individual on this site for eg. enlightens 1 new person every day, thats 365 new enlighten humans multiplied by however many individuals actively look to do this.
They have created technology to use to their advantage, let us not forget that we are just as capable as using their own “tools” against them, as Alex is trying to do with this site. My friends, we need to start actioning mass effective email forwarding campaigns, and actively talk to whoever we can in our everyday lives in order to enlighten as many as we can.
This is because, the power of the NWO lies in the fact that ultimately not enough people believe you in order to affect them. They want to make people think you are mad, it is all just consipiracy paranoias! And as they say, the greatest trick that satan ever pulled off was to make people think he didnt exist! This is because, if we are actually all aware and acknowledge their existance, they can not effectively implement their plans. The invisible hand transforms into a visible structure. And a visible structure can always be confronted. But an invisible structure ie. The top of the pyramid can not, as you are not aware who they actually are nor have access to them. Dont forget that they rely on compartmentalization and we can start from the bottom and work our way up! as we have the advantage that the bottom are unaware of the plans of the top!
Please everybody, discuss, suggest, strategies, and implement!
May 10th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
#24, right on
May 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am
The NWO knows that Darwinsim is 100% false. it’s been proven to them because God proved it to them. They can’t deny it. They really don’t know when to stop. The reason why they are doing this because the fear their own lives. The world is getting ready to be shocked when they see the death of the new world order. I guess the NWO rather be punished by God than humans. I rather be punished by humans than God because there is no limit to the punishment that God can give.
May 11th, 2008 at 2:10 am
Divide and Conquer,Its the oldest trick in the book. The war agaist the truth movement has won once again! Wake up folks the military has a new front,its the internet, have you not noticed how easy it was to hijack the original message,and divert peoples attention at the same time?
May 11th, 2008 at 2:06 pm
yey !! some peoples just dont want to wake up cause this reality is too much for they are brainwash to a level where this concept is just impossible to imagine & they dont feel confortable ,so ,they backaway from the idea of been the real reality & they just go back to drink more 911 kool aid & sodium chloride!!!
But the seeds are planted & they will germinate,that’s it!! Job done!!!
so, keep waking them up everyones it’s well worth it!!!
May 11th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
IF we see an American strike on Iran, it will most likely be an air strike only. I don’t think the US has the manpower to commit to another ground war.
May 12th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
God help us.
May 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
We need the NWO to keep the world from falling apart and, it is falling apart of it’s own accord. People need to be told what to do. I can’t wait to for my part in it. People need to wake up and, look where we need to go as a speicies. All war must stop. Only one way to do that. A unified world. All will have jobs and, get fed. Simple idea it is. After the hold outs are crushed we can move on to peacfull fulfilled lives.
May 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
#60 stop drinking the water! You are falling into there trap. A world gov’t is not a good thing. You really are brainwashed! Everything that is happening NOW.. is being done by design… Which will bring in the World Gov’t. so dumb!
May 12th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
AN ATTACK ON IRAN WILL MAKE THE ZIONIST STATE A PILE OF ASHES.
OUR REVENGE FOR 911 ZIONIST DECEPTION .
MAY YOU ROT IN HELL TRAITOR ZOMBIE SHARON.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:14 am
BOO! HOO! It’s going to happen so, don’t fight it. The only trap is the retarded thought process you are useing. We would be further along in society if there were not borders or countries. One species with one goal. Not hundreds of countries with each their own aggenda. We will never survive with the way we treat each other. The way we waste money on weapons to fight each other. Think about it. One goverment. No more reasons to kill each other over religion or land. Take all the momey,materials and, lives spent on bullshit wars and the such. We could be spending vacation on Mars by now. We would be much further ahead in all aspects of life.
May 13th, 2008 at 11:16 am
And we do not have to take away your rights to do this. It all could be done very easily. You just have to pull your head from your ass and, think about it.