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Washington Post: 20,000 More U.S. Troops To Be Deployed For “Domestic Security”
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Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Monday, December 1, 2008
The Washington Post today reports on plans to station 20,000 more U.S. troops inside America for purposes of “domestic security” from September 2011, an expansion of Northcom’s militarization of the country in preparation for potential civil unrest following a total economic collapse or a mass terror attack.
“The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials,” reports the Post.
“Domestic emergency deployment may be “just the first example of a series of expansions in presidential and military authority,” or even an increase in domestic surveillance, said Anna Christensen of the ACLU’s National Security Project. And Cato Vice President Gene Healy warned of “a creeping militarization” of homeland security.”
As Alex Jones exposed back in the late 1990’s, U.S. troops have been training for this eventuality for a considerable amount of time. During numerous urban warfare drills that Jones attended and reported on, troops were trained to raid, arrest and imprison U.S. citizens in detention camps as well as taking over public buildings and running checkpoints. During role playing exercises, actors playing prisoners would scream “I’m an American citizen, I have rights” as they were being dragged away by troops.
The contention that the troops will merely help “recovery efforts” after a major catastrophe is contradicted by the fact that Northcom itself, in a September 8 Army Times article, said the first wave of the deployment, which was put in place on October 1st at Fort Stewart and at Peterson Air Force Base in Colorado Springs, would be aimed at tackling “civil unrest and crowd control”.
After a controversy arose surrounding the admissions made in the Army Times article, Northcom retracted the claim but conceded that both lethal and non-lethal weaponry traditionally used in crowd control and riot situations would still be used in the field.
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The increasing militarization of America is part of a long term agenda to abolish Constitutional rule and establish a “military form of government,” following a large scale terror attack or similar disaster, as Tommy Franks, the former commander of the military’s Central Command, alluded to in a November 2003 Cigar Aficionado piece.
Franks outlined the scenario by which martial law would be put in place, saying, “It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”
In the short term, the domestic deployment of troops is likely aimed at combating likely civil unrest that will ensue after a complete economic collapse followed by a devastating period of hyperinflation.
This warning was again echoed a few days ago in a leaked internal memo from Citibank.
“The world is not going back to normal after the magnitude of what they have done. When the dust settles this will either work, and the money they have pushed into the system will feed through into an inflation shock,” wrote Tom Fitzpatrick, Citibank’s chief technical strategist.
The memo predicts “depression, civil disorder and possibly wars” as a fallout from an economic collapse that many say is on the horizon.
Naturally, the claim that such troop deployments are merely to aid in disaster relief efforts is a thin veil aimed at distracting from the real goal. Should a real tragedy occur, volunteers and already existing civil aid organizations are fully capable of dealing with such events, as we witnessed on 9/11.
The military are primarily trained to kill people and break things, and their role during the Hurricane Katrina relief efforts was mainly focused on detaining people in sports stadiums, shooting alleged looters and seizing guns from wealthy home owners in the high and dry areas, while real recovery measures were left to volunteers and local state authorities.
The open admission that U.S. troops will be involved in law enforcement operations as well as potentially using non-lethal weapons against American citizens is a complete violation of the Posse Comitatus Act and the Insurrection Act, which substantially limit the powers of the federal government to use the military for law enforcement unless under precise and extreme circumstances.
Section 1385 of the Posse Comitatus Act states, “Whoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both.”
Under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, signed by President Bush on October 17, 2006, the law was changed to state, “The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws.”
However, these changes were repealed in their entirety by HR 4986: National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2008, reverting back to the original state of the Insurrection Act of 1807. Despite this repeal, President Bush attached a signing statement saying that he did not feel bound by the repeal. It remains to be seen whether President elect Obama will reverse Bush’s signing statement.
The original text of the Insurrection Act severely limits the power of the President to deploy troops within the United States.
For troops to be deployed, a condition has to exist that, “(1) So hinders the execution of the laws of that State, and of the United States within the State, that any part or class of its people is deprived of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law, and the constituted authorities of that State are unable, fail, or refuse to protect that right, privilege, or immunity, or to give that protection; or (2) opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. In any situation covered by clause (1), the State shall be considered to have denied the equal protection of the laws secured by the Constitution.”
Is the incoming Obama administration and Northcom waiting for such a scenario to unfold, an event that completely overwhelms state authorities, before unleashing the might of the U.S. Army against the American people?
The deployment of National Guard troops to aid law enforcement or for disaster relief purposes is legal under the authority of the governor of a state, but using active duty U.S. Army in law enforcement operations inside America absent the conditions described in the Insurrection Act is completely illegal.
The political left and right need to join forces and denounce this plan for what it is – another unconstitutional step towards the incremental implementation of martial law and the militarization of America.
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December 1st, 2008 at 9:43 am
IF AN AMERICAN SOLDIER POINTED A WEAPON LIKE THAT AT ME I WILL EXECUTE THEM ON THE SPOT FOR TREASON! I CAN HARDLY WATCH THIS SHIT! I’M SICK TO MY STOMACH KNOWING THIS IS REAL AND THEY’RE COMING FOR US SOON! ARM YOURSELF! CREATE A DEFENSIVE ORGANIZATION! FIGHT!RESIST! THIS IS THE 11TH HOUR!
O beautiful for spacious skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the fruited plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for pilgrim feet
Whose stern impassioned stress
A thoroughfare of freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God mend thine every flaw,
Confirm thy soul in self-control,
Thy liberty in law!
O beautiful for heroes proved
In liberating strife.
Who more than self their country loved
And mercy more than life!
America! America!
May God thy gold refine
Till all success be nobleness
And every gain divine!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
And crown thy good with brotherhood
From sea to shining sea!
O beautiful for halcyon skies,
For amber waves of grain,
For purple mountain majesties
Above the enameled plain!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till souls wax fair as earth and air
And music-hearted sea!
O beautiful for pilgrims feet,
Whose stem impassioned stress
A thoroughfare for freedom beat
Across the wilderness!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till paths be wrought through
wilds of thought
By pilgrim foot and knee!
O beautiful for glory-tale
Of liberating strife
When once and twice,
for man’s avail
Men lavished precious life!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till selfish gain no longer stain
The banner of the free!
O beautiful for patriot dream
That sees beyond the years
Thine alabaster cities gleam
Undimmed by human tears!
America! America!
God shed his grace on thee
Till nobler men keep once again
Thy whiter jubilee!
December 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am
“Please remain calm and Cooperate so that we can process you into the camp faster.” – a quote taken from the martial law army training session in the video above.
No. We will not remain calm and will never cooperate with you evil bastards. The American people will not willingly enter your FEMA camps. Please cease and desist so that we won’t have to defend ourselves and send you tyo your maker.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:07 am
#1, I remember singing “America, the Beautiful” in elementary school back in the 1960’s. I wonder, do they even teach this song to American school children anymore? Probably not. How sad. U.S. troops patrolling the streets of America? Wow, I never pictured anything like that growing up in California, Guam, and Hawaii. I now live in one of the Mountain States. I have heard rumors that there are FEMA camps in my state. This is so scary!
December 1st, 2008 at 10:13 am
The quicker the powers that be “bring the hammer down” the better!
He (i won’t insert “she”…fuck political correctness) that won’t fight for freedom…deserves not to retain it!
What a brain dead collective humanity’s become…loony tunes wouldn’t begin to describe it!
.
Humans…by far the most evil “animal” on the face of the earth (a truer statement doesn’t exist)
December 1st, 2008 at 10:15 am
ALEX!! love the show….this is somewhat unrelated…but you guyz have to see this lecture…
its about 18 minutes long…..amazing…!!
peace
http://www.ted.com/index.php/t.....world.html
December 1st, 2008 at 10:21 am
By now, most of the people who have any understanding of history should realize this is NOT our country, or at least it is no longer. Andrew Jackson may have been the last President to successfully stave off the Hamiltonains and their cleptocratic agenda.
The future is now and death is at the door.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:23 am
Are they learning from this in the heavens? They sure aren’t down here.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:31 am
i fucking gave everyone three warnings on digg over a year period that there would be a manufactered recession to destroy the dollar and that there would be martial law. i got digged down. people didn’t believe me.
you people deserve whats comming to you. happy christmas and happy new world order
December 1st, 2008 at 10:34 am
those fuckers can’t even work a screen door.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:35 am
momo they don’t only thing we get that is about our country is the pledge of alligence and a principal that treats us like terrorists if u can see what happened to the school you wouldn’t believe it they teach us complete shit
December 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
There’s a bomb about to blow. EVERYBODY RUN!!
December 1st, 2008 at 10:48 am
I have only a few things to say to the miss informed that come to this sight.
I lost Brothers & sisters to the lie of 911(not to mention the 1000’s that died on that day)so stay out of our way becase the JIG is up and the truth is out on the one’s that comitted that act of war on this land and we are seeking justice for the ones that died.SO——-> (you are ether with the with US or you are with the TRUE terrorist) And I pity you for your BLIND STUPIDITY.
A little advice from a man that care’s( try useing your citical thinking and open your mind to the bare facts & not the minds of others)Thats true FREEDOM
(QUIT THINKING IN A BOX AND START THINKING FOR YOUR SELF’S),and so to the one’s of honor, I SALUTE you and to the ones that dishonor their Oath, I pity you for when you hold your child, think about the world you are giving to that souls’ future and what you may soon be dying for, like I probably will, (at least my death will be with honor)!
(WILL YOURS)
Sighed,
A VET who cares
December 1st, 2008 at 10:53 am
Petition the federal government to cut the military budget.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:57 am
Every spare dollar I have goes to more ammo, food, more guns, and more ammo. I agree with Observer! They show up at my driveway, they better come real prepared and not afraid to DIE. I took an oath when I joined the army 30 years ago and although I’m not in the army anymore, one thing has always stuck with me, To DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION FROM ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC. I TAKE THAT OATH TO MY GRAVE!
December 1st, 2008 at 11:00 am
Oh GOD! Not a civil war. That’s exactly what these NWO
bastards want!
December 1st, 2008 at 11:04 am
I am from Holland and would like to apologize for the behavour
the Dutch army will hopefully never commit for real in America.
Those Dutch soldiers? in the bottom movie are pretending to be
real professional trainees…
I wonder how thing would turn out if the shit really hits the fan..
George Carlin once said,
If a crime fighter fights crime
and a fire fighter fights fire
what does a freedom fighter fight? RIGHT….
They never explain that part to you, do they?
December 1st, 2008 at 11:10 am
They can deploy as many soldiers as they want. The number of troops isn’t the problem, I’ve seen 100s of people submit to the orders of a handful of police. What is the most important part of this deployment is how you respond to it. The NWO is counting on three main reactions to this deployment:
1) violent response – justification of force
2) visual imagery – media stooges portray public as “dangerous”
3) fear + safety = loss of liberty
Do not respond violently. Soldiers and police will have their keyed up “edge” softened. Recruitment, training and propaganda will lose their purpose. Doubt will emerge in the hearts and minds of the NWOs armed agents. A sense of connection between the force of oppression and the those they oppress will form. Innocent men, women and children beaten, killed and imprisoned will shock and anger those that, for whatever pitiful reason, support the NWOs agenda.
The bought and paid for media will, at first, refuse to broadcast such courageous acts but eventually even their machine-like “reporting” will be forced to admit the truth of a people dedicated to freedom and willing to sacrifice their lives to preserve it. The power structure within the NWO will begin to fight amongst itself, traditional allies will see their powers weakened, long-term planning will be cancelled or severely disrupted. Desperation will set in and ill-thought out acts will further discredit their organizations.
The tried and true formula of fear + safety = loss of liberty will no longer be effective. People who were willing to trade safety for security will see just who is providing that “safety”, how they provide it, what tools they use to provide it and the way they manipulate that safety by choosing where and when it willl be applied.
Now, let’s look at what will happen if violence is used. Riots, civil “disobedience” and outright rebellion will be dealt with by a military and police apparatus trained specifically for this purpose. Well-equipped police and soldiers against untrained, ill-equipped and uncoordinated groups of civilians will result in enormous loss of life with nothing to show for it except grieving famalies and friends.
The media will gleefully show images of riotous gangs hell bent on destruction posing a threat to “national security”. Ad-hoc leadership of such “gangs” will be unprepared to counter this message and will more than likely be unable to organize an effective nation-wide resistance, lacking, amongst many things, access to the resources necessary such as recruitment networks, weapons manufacturing facilities, logistical support, intelligence operatives and command and control systems.
The NWOs agenda will be considerably strengthen and the plan of a one-world government rapidly accelerated. Fear (riots, rebellions, revolutions) + Safety (military, police, government) = loss of liberty (NWO). It is up to you. No Rambo-like hero will save the day. No Hollywood ending. Non-violence is the only way to defeat violence because when violence meets non-violence it has no where to go. The more violence meets with non-violence the less its power it can project until eventually it dies.
Check out the success of non-violent movements throughout history by surfing the net. Non-violence does not mean non-action! Research the ways in which you can actively resist through non-violence.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:12 am
Hope they all kiss there wives, mama’s and babies goodby before they are deployed as enemies of the patriot minded free Americans. Those that do not know history are destined to relive it. They better read about the FIRST American Revolution and what happened to the “Kings Soldiers” who were deployed against a unique people who wanted nothing but to be LEFT ALONE.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:18 am
You go your way CW Hale, and I’ll go mine. You sound like NWO. Go fuck yourself!
December 1st, 2008 at 11:19 am
Educate everyone you possibly can- put your DVD burners into overdrive. We must make sure everyone knows who the enemy is and why they are doing this. Unless you just want them to find out from Fox news. Then we’d be in trouble!
Long live the Republic!
Death to the New World Order!
December 1st, 2008 at 11:24 am
If the police escorted by millitary ever come to my door to take my weapons or escort me to the camps I will take most of the with me. A warning to the police. If you bring military soldier to my door as police officers I will consider you an assesory to violation of the posse comitatis act and you will be treated like the soldiers who violate the act. Unlike in New Orleans where they took the weapons of law abiding citizens which resulted in the bad guys going on a crime rampage there. They sued the government and it was determined that it will illegal to confiscate the weapons. Yet the government has not returned the weapons. Sorry police if you violate support the posse comitatus act by just traveling with them then you wil be just as dead.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:38 am
The Corporate fear machine is running full steam now. The false flag attacks on 9/11 and the continuing drum beating for atomic war is intended to end this concept of “Election” and reduce the world to control from hidden despots. The USA continues to attack lawfully elected leaders of countrys that have no way to protect themselves from our banking and corporate controllers. Now the hidden forces behind our government are aiming the guns at the Citizens of this country and they should be seen as the enemy and all efforts should be aimed at finding these traitors and ending there nasty plans for us. Do not wait for the troops to kick in your doors, find the offending Rockefeller s and the satanic money lenders called the Rothschild and end this world wide corruption.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:41 am
I’ve got several 1000 “Tin Foil Hats” for sale…cheeeeeeep…Ya’al go back and read the comments you have made…if you actually believe what you’ve said….You will probably order extras…
December 1st, 2008 at 11:47 am
#17 CW Hale, While your little “ponies and parades” theory is very nice, it is simply not true.
If the people were to do as you said and just basically be petitioning activists, nothing would ever happen except that we would gradually slip into a police state without any fight.
On the topic of the media, they will be displaying riots, and all around carnage either way. Whether it’s one small city in South Dakota or a mass hysteria in New York… it will still fuel the same propaganda.
Your only hope is to learn to protect and feed yourself so that you don’t have to rely on what is inevitably coming.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Jane is right – kiss the wife and kids goodbye because we will see that you don’t come home…
To any occupiers… Abandon hope all ye who enter here
December 1st, 2008 at 11:57 am
Alex Jones is Bill Hicks people. I know it sounds crazy, but so did Hicks and so does Jones. Listen to Jones’s voice 15 years ago and compare to Hicks. Also, do you people really believe Alex Jones was born in 1974?! Come on Sheep! Alex Jones, a.k.a., Bill Hicks was bornin in 1961. That’s that.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
AS another vet that took his oath seriously and values freedom more than life I can not help but feel s bit of pity for those that write long, logical letters about how if we just keep quite and give up a few more rights we will all be ok. As one who has experienced the removal of ALL rights I can say that the realization of loss and the feeling of helplessness is instantaneous. It is also to late at that point in time to make any alterations to your previous and failed situation. I can confidently say that I will never feel that way again. I may die but I will never give up my freedom. Trust me, there are some things worse than death.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:10 pm
soldier with microphone says, “please remain calm and cooperate so that we may process you into the camps” that’s scary people. what the hell is going on?
also, i did not know that a sheriff shot two commandos because they were trying to disarm him. interesting…
December 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm
The time draws near. The war is about to begin. Choose a side now.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Reply:
To # 24 “Signs and Megaphones”:
Although you have it in quotes I must reemphasize that the act of non-violent resistance is considerably more in depth than “ponies and parades”. Check out an early posting I submitted when this story first came out about deploying U.S. combat troops on American soil. I go in to considerably detail on the acts you can take to engage in successful non-violent resistance. Research the archives, hopefully it’s still in there.
As for the media, you are correct, they will be broadcasting any violent acts no matter where they take place, an issue that is of no importance. But they will have a much harder time displaying non-violent protests because it is a much more powerul, and therefore, dangerous message. Think back to the democracy protest in Tinneman Square in Beijing in 1989, do you remember the lone man blocking an entire column of tanks? This is the power of non-violence. What would have been the fallout from the world community if those tanks had simply rolled over and crushed to death that man? One of the largest military forces in the world was literally stopped in its tracks by that one simple, yet powerful act of non-violent defiance. Did it free the Chinese people? No. However, imagine millions of people staging demonstations like that. Think of the long-term effects of an entire nation of civilians participating in non-violent acts of defiance.
I urge to reread my earlier posting. Civilian resistance is not an option. On a moral level it is understandable but on a practical one it is disastorous. Do you really believe that the vast majority of the American people can successfully achieve a violent victory against the heavily-armed, well-trained, well-led forces of the military and police who have access to extremely destructive weaponery and advanced military technology? It would be suicidal, plain and simple.
Put out of your mind this “second revolution” nonsense. The first one was successful largely because the technology to quickly and brutally supress it was unavailable. Not so today. Non-violence, although not the most dramatic or exciting, form of resistance is the only option and it will succeed in the end.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:29 pm
In spite of the military, the government and the national news media telling us what’s ahead officially, there are still dummies out there that are in total disbelief and think we are all crazy for saying things like “…martial law is coming”, etc. I just call them morons. Lukewarm useless eaters good for nothing. On the other hand you have petty street thug criminals who see civil disorder as a time to loot and prey on the weak. Another group that claims to be in the know of things to come are the gun toting christians who see everything in black and white, don’t expect thier help. Martial law may come, but I look at all the stupid people out there that are good for nothing, selfish, useless, inconsiderate, and I think maybe it’s not such a bad thing after all. For the last 8 years I’ve heard arrogant Americans chant”…kill the ragheads, kill the Haji’s”. Well you bunch of stupid fools…your turn is coming soon and the foreigners will not give a shit because you didnt care about them. I say if the shit hits the fan you are better off alone or in small groups. I believe you won’t have to fear the military as much as your fellow stupid citizen.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:45 pm
To CW Hale: What is wrong w/ your theory is this. In my opinion all of this peacful protest is becoming worthless b/c protestors are commonly brutalized and detained by the police. The best thing to do is to spread info to people pertaining to the NWO.
Someone starts to talk about politicts around me I always spin the conversation into one about globalism and the international bank cartels etc. In the end if people finally do stand up physically to the corrupted policies our country is pushing many of the police and military will join us.
In my opinion I do no not believe that a majority of the police or military are as sick as the people on top. I have alot of family and friends in the service that talk the same things I do pertaining to the NWO and how the big banks are taking the entire country to the cleaners. I mean think about it, with all due respect, would you walk into a town or neighborhood you grew up in and just start mowin people down? When push comes to shove people are gonna stick w/ their family and friends, not a corrupt govt. that treats them as expendable trash!
December 1st, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Somone on Youtube just put a video up the other day showing a train in L.A packed full of HUMVEES!!
December 1st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
guys please digg this, CNN correspondent groped by mob
http://digg.com/television/CNN.....d_in_guess
in India.
December 1st, 2008 at 12:58 pm
General Reply:
To all those who who claim to stand ready to fight, your mixed responses to my postings are humorous to say the least and futile to say the most. On the one hand, I am an agent of the NWO, on the other, I am afraid and a “sissy”. I wonder how long you brave souls will last with your pop guns and puffed up “patriotism”. Courage is not defined by one’s ability to stock up on ammo and food rations. This type of response is exactly what the NWO want and if your foolish enough to fall for it I pity you. You won’t need to use insults and profanity to inflate your questionable “bravery” take you fear and misplaced anger and shoot the first police officer or soldier that walks by, see how far that gets you!
For those that sincerely approach this grave issue I trust you are aware of what needs to be done. The corpses of the “tough guys” will be piled high while the NWO calmly records and files away the body count. Those that stand for peace, freedom and the “pursuit of happiness” will express in non-violence what the most “courageous” can’t express with violence – the fullest manifestation of a free person. Courage is not violence and violence isn’t courage. Violence is fear, anger and intimidation. Leave those pleasant emotions to the NWO. Non-violence is a courage so unique, so rare and yet so powerful. Pass it on. This courage can defeat anything in its’ path!
December 1st, 2008 at 1:01 pm
+++ ” DO NOT be affraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul ; rather be afraid of God, who can destroy both body and soul in hell.”
December 1st, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Anyone who thinks 20,000 or even 200,000 soldiers are any match for 300+ million pissed off Americans who are already armed to the teeth is delusional. There are millions of guns of all types in private hands in this country and we are a people who know how to use them. When the people finally realize how screwed we really are, hyperinflation, breadlines, government brutality, I would not want to be in the shoes of ANY PUBLIC SERVANT. It may start small, but others will quickly jump on the bandwagon when they see how easy it really is to defy big brother.
December 1st, 2008 at 1:12 pm
This is not surprising. Any time you give communism or Fascism a foothold, this will result. I think the days of incrementalism is over. That’s why I was not amused with that other video Alex posted.
If anything, that Video claiming “They’re coming to take the patriots away” should cause us to take inventory and provoke us to thought and action.
December 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm
CW Hale,
I get what you’re saying and understand your point – however, the gentlemen in front of the tank in Tienanmen Square found out exactly what kind of “power” is in non-violent resistance. Yes, one man with a rifle will effect no changes on the oppression and tyranny that is being pressed upon us; nor will 100 or 1,000 men with rifles. Yes, if even HALF of Americans would simply enact non-violent resistance, it would also stand a chance of defeating this despotism. However, 1% of this population in Armed Revolution would be able to effect the same change, that’s a 3 Million Man Army. Now, I know which one I’ve decided is more likely to occur – you have to ask yourself, in all practicality and realism, which you find more likely. For, we only have 2 options, peaceful or violent resistance. Doing nothing, for me and mine at least, is not a choice. So which do you think has a chance of actually coming to be?
The accusations of NWO agent or pussy status, these have to be taken with a grain of salt. People are very scared and very very pissed off right now. The bodies of those who simply decide to take solitary action will indeed be piled high after this is all over. However, the bodies of those killed by the TRUE Americans who were prepared, trained, organized and ready will be piled even higher. Ask yourself, as in the example of the FBI COINTELPRO, why do they fear organization and assembly so much? For together, trained and organized, WE THE PEOPLE are an unstoppable force. Apart, separated, hostile and vengeful, we are easy to defeat.
There are a lot of young, misguided children in this movement who are just now realizing that something is wrong. Just like all children, they think much more highly of themselves than they actually should. When a young man begins to smell himself, he needs a more experienced man to slap him back into his place. God bless them for wanting to see and know the truth but they are not ready to be a part of what is really necessary in these strange days. The assaults and names, that’s all it is. Children (whatever age they be for most adults are simply large children) need to be taught how to think for themselves, blindly following Infowars is no better than blindly following CNN or Fox News. I think this is your point, that simply stocking up on material and getting yourself pissed off will save no Nation; however, those of us prepared to truly undertake the required actions and lifestyle, with the right brothers in arms and the right organization, well, we might just stand a chance.
December 1st, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I live in colorado springs colorado and if you deal with the police in this city and county you would see that we are already in a police state..
December 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pm
Wow, this what I call a “target-rich environment”…do some research on Fourth Generation Warfare, 4GW, which William Lind has written extensively about…remember, a bunch of “Skinnies” in Somalia decimated our most elite troops, Rangers and Delta Force, last decade, with nothing but small arms and the WILL TO FIGHT!
And, let us not forget the valiant resistance by Hezb’ O Allah a couple of years ago, versus our “gallant little ally”, Israel. They sent ‘em home crying, like the beat-up bullies they are.
Hasn’t anyone noticed, no major power has defeated irregular forces in decades, and rarely, even in the history of modern warfare?
It’s THE WILL TO FIGHT which will save America…my only concern is if there is even a spark of Will left in the collective American Spirit…time will tell…………..
December 1st, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Lets see, 450 million guns purchased by “Law Abiding” citizens, roughly 100 million gun owners in the US. Chances of those gun owners willfully turning in their guns because of Martial Law is practically non existent. I went to my local gun shop over the weekend to pick up another AR15 and the place was just packed. One guy was there with his 2 sons who were about 17 or 18 buying M4s and AR 15s, and a butt load of ammo to match. I said to him “Going hunting are We?” He saw my 911 t-shirt on and he said “When the Time comes, My household will be ready.” I asked a couple of other customers why they were looking to buy an assault type rifle. Their response was almost identical to one another. They said, “Because I don’t trust the government anymore and when they come to confiscate my guns, I’ll know that my freedom has been taken away from me.” (notice they didn’t say “if” ). The number of US veterans in this country totally out number the size of current military forces combined and most if not all feel the same way as this veteran. “NOT ON MY WATCH! ALL ENEMIES, FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC will be dealt with accordingly. Peaceful my ASS! Ya, you just go right ahead and Peacefully walk into a FEMA death camp. Go ahead, Laugh now, you little wimp bastards will be crying all the way to the “Showers”. You’ve Been Warned!
December 1st, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Reply:
To # 34 “Patriot”:
Thank you for your comments and feedback.
Undoubtedly, acts of violence that are designed to defend one’s life, property or family are justified and a constiutional right. The violence I oppose is random, uncoordinated and based on irrational fear and anger. Many of the posts I have read on this site are vulgar and ignorant. It concerns me that violence from these people will add fuel to the fire and justify the military and police apparatus.
I am insisting on a non-violent response to mass military and police actions that threaten people’s right to “peaceably assemble”. Such actions are highly likely given the continued, and unconstiutional presence, of U.S. combat troops engaging in law enforcement duties on American soil. Dubious claims by the government (re: NWO) that this is required to counter “civil unrest” and “disobedience” begs the question: What conditions have been created that would lead the government to believe civil unrest and disobedience are a possibility?
December 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pm
“I assure you that on judgment day God will show more mercy to the people of sodom and gamora than to you.”
December 1st, 2008 at 1:28 pm
duh! how did you people think we were going to carry out our plans? cue montgomery burns voice ‘exxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxcellent’ **rubs claws together**
December 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Your question
What conditions have been created that would lead the government to believe civil unrest and disobedience are a possibility?
Well, it should be obvious, I think, most likely an upcoming nuclear/biological attack.
You have to wonder, too, with the concentration camps springing up, and credible reports of these camps being fitted with gas chambers, or stocked with guillotines, some already actually staffed and waiting for prisoners, well, ask yourself too why would they have these things up and ready if they didnt have a specific DATE set for the next event to happen?
December 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Ooops that last was for post 45
December 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Gandhi was brilliant in his use of non violence. There is a great movie called interestingly “Gandhi”. I highly recommend it. His mob was the whole country against the British Royal Empire (sound familiar?) The best part was his “Peaceful Movement” became violent when they were brutally put down with violence . When Gandhi heard of this he would hunger strike. The Brits were told that if he starves to death they were going to turn everything over. In the end the British tyrants were shamed out of the country. The Brits were invited to leave India.
Gandhi’s own son said, “Initiative can only be put down with violence. Then you win.”
Right now tell your cops about the matrix in which we live. Show them to the truth.
December 1st, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I understand what CW Hale is saying in his posts, but I understand what others are saying too. If we are going to go with armed resistance, then the best way to do it is by gurellia warfare tactics.
Like the Indians, and Vietemise dis. Strike and vanish. Invoke Omerta(The Code of Silence) The Sicilians have it right on the money on that one. Arm yourselves. Quietly seek out others who are of the same mindset. Maintain a low profile in the meantime. Prepare a stonghold in the mountains or wilderness to go to as a rallying point when the time comes. NEVER ever surrender your weapons. Better yet don’t talk about them. Find a place out of the home to hide a few of them. Mislead, misdirect. The time of peaceful resistance is just about over. Prepare for this as you would a natural disaster, because that’s basically what it is.
Get yourself in the best physical health you can in the meantime. Stop eating meat, espically red meat. Stop drinking soda pop, eating candy and sugary pastries and sweets. Start taking a daily vitiman, start an excercise program. Getting outdoor escercise is also a great way to scout ahead for escape routes, and places to cache food, water, and weapons. Above all, do not tell your plans to people. You don’t know who is willing to tattle on you. Just start doing it and if anyone asks nosy question, disarm or mislead them with false information. Start now!!
December 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pm
One man with a gun can control 100 without one. – Lenin
I see some big talking posts on here. I sincerely hope the US can avoid this situation.. for eternity. Some are hoping “it won’t affect them”.. but sooner or later it will, history is consistent in that area.
Some of you are boasting about what you will and won’t do. I am not so sure you will be singing the same tune come show time.
Those that are banking on “300,000,000″ million Americans to respond. Simple – You are idiots. It ain’t going to happen.
I served nearly half my natural life in the military. One thing is sure, these kids grew up in a generation where they didn’t learn about the Constitution, Bill of Rights or anything else. They will simply do as ordered for the thrill of power for the most part.
Sure a few will have problems and not follow orders.. but it will be a small few. Those that try and are caught will be made examples of in highly visible ways.
I won’t go one.. I will simply state some of you need to come down and land on earth.
December 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I agree with Matt .. you got it about right and you have hit the nail on the head.. but i ask you this.
WHO is gonna lead this 3millon man army?? and HOW will you organize your selves.. ALL forms of communication are controled AND monitored 24/7 by the very ones that the masses so ignorantly trust to protect them.. this Army of which you speak will be the ones rounded up and exterminated!!!
I agree with what you say
and sadly I salute you uin your efforts . but I have NO doubt that your being watched and that WERE you able to do what you are saying that your efforts will come to a gruesome end for you AND your 3 million… but I admire your spirti and mission….
I and mine will be watchin and listening with GREAT interest as you march to your demise.. I wish you luck and success with every fiber of my being .
BUT sadly it is this type of mentality and response that THEY are counting on.. you WILL be demonized and treated as an “enemey combatatant” which you will essientally be. Does that make YOUR mission wrong … NO .. does it make it righetous .. NO
it makes you human.. and THAT is what the wish to destroy.. HUMANITY
As I said I will be watching and listening.. but I will be in hiding waiting for this to all crumble and the peices to fall back into place as they ALLWAYS do.. I mean shit SOMEONE has to be left to rebuild after the war machines all grind to a halt right???
good luck….. One_bored_fook@yahoo.com
December 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
The Judgment has begun on America and the rest of the World,,, BUCKLE-UP!!!
December 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Just heard the clips played on the show regarding the disgusting events during the Katrina disaster…and, far worse even than the hurricane and it’s physical aftermath, was both the behavior of the cops/military/”contractors” and the behavior of the terrified, and obviously demoralized public when these goddamn TRAITORS TO THEIR OATHS TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION intruded upon their homes, stole their property, and assaulted them both psychologically and physically, IN VIOLATION OF THE CONSTITUTION…
That single event should be utilized as a educational tool that vividly demonstates two extremely important factors, concerning the potential for martial law and all of the horrors that would emerge from outright tyranny in our Nation, vidilecit :
1) the fact that, as I’ve pointed out elsewhere, the cops/military/contractors (aggressors) WILL VIOLATE their Oath, when ordered to do so. There are, I’m sorry to say, not nearly as many Constitutional Patriots among these organizations willing to disobey orders as many would like to believe. They have a lot to fear from the chain of command, as well as the peer-pressure from their unit, their brothers-in-arms. (one young soldier even said, when asked if he would shoot Americans, “Yes,”….think about it, oppression is usually from one’s own government, historically)
and, 2) nearly ALL of those told to turn over their weapons, and/or abandon their homes (and their beloved pets!) did so, meekly, or were somehow abused by the government-employed THUGS sent in to “help” them (yeah, the kind of “help” the criminal government in the District of Corruption typically gives to people, like the Iraquis, Afghans, and too many other victims to enumerate here); in other words, they didn’t allow that long-dormant Spark within the Soul of all Free People, everywhere, to possess them…they DID NOT RESIST!!! They rolled-over like whipped hounds to the threats of the Bullies, the Aggressors, the VIOLATORS OF THE CONSTITUTION, the OATH-BREAKERS, i.e., those GUILTY OF TREASON!
There it is, Ladies and Gentlemen: the Aggressors WILL violate your rights, they WILL KILL YOU, and YOUR LOVED ONES…and most “Americans” will submit…
Is the Spark within you?…better figure it out…because tyranny will soon be “coming to a town near you”……….
December 1st, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Seems to me the opposition in the middle east is doing quite well resisting US involvment.
Would the US be more aggressive against it’s own people than they would a terrorist group?
The group in the middle east has the ability to organize, plan, communicate and execute missions with seeminly primative methods.
December 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pm
#56 the group in the middle east is working “together against a common goal” to rid their country of a foreign INVADER.
the question now is will our ordinary citizens stop watching Dancing with the stars to oppose this initiative?
December 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Stock up on the basics now.
December 1st, 2008 at 3:07 pm
It was approximately 25% of the citizens of the colonies that started the revolution. The others stood back or actively aided the Brits. Just look at how successful the Russian military was in Afghanistan they lasted ten years before they realized that it was futile to continue and they were fighting a bunch of “towel head” sheep herders.
Take another look at Viet Nam just how well did our superior organized army do against the so called dis-organized native population? We were there for a long time with no real gains from our point of view. We lost 50,000 of our boys to what we treated as a rag tag bunch of combatants, and still did not “win” anything.
Take a hard look at Iraq we have already been in there for a longer period of time than World War 11 lasted. Have we made any real “gains”?
The only question I have is “Are there enough people that really believe in our freedoms to do what it would take to keep them?” If you take and say there are 120,000,000 adults and only 25% were to stand up that would so out number GVT forces. Think about it 30,000,000 people that would stand for our freedoms.
December 1st, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I just watched the cancelled tv show Jericho again, all episodes.. I believe it was cancelled because it was too close to “real life” what with false flag terrorist attacks, military occupation, corporations with NO BID contracts in bed with the government and patriots who fight, because our way of life is worth fighting for.
If you want to watch any of the episodes they are available on DVD or http://www.cbs.com/video/?show.....icho#video;
reminds me of another TV show the LONE GUNMAN that had an episode of that ran just the Sunday before 911; happened of a commercial plane near miss after being “programmed” to fly into the WTC.
coincidence?
December 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Remember: throughout history, it isn’t a “majority” that makes a revolution-it is A MINORITY WITH A MAJORITY OF WILL…
December 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pm
I was watching the second youtube film here and it surprised me that there was a guy from holland in it. A officer of some kind. What does people from holland doing there????
I read an article a while ago that there are a lot of forreign soldier in the US from UN en Nato to do the dirty work for the government.
If they want you to be in camps or be slaves. American soldiers could be getting angry against there government cause they have to fight there own people. But troops form other country’s havent gor any relation with those civilians so they dont start to rebel against your military government at that time.
Mabye you people got to ask questions about the fact of the foreign troops in your country, why are they there?
All your troops are overseas fighting so the government with Un and Nato can start a police state. There is no american soldier left in america to rebel against it.
just my 2 cents
Grtz from Holland
December 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pm
(as of this writing, about 15:31hrs, the Bankers’ Casino, er the Stock Market, is down 535 points…hope y’all enjoyed Thanksgiving, might be eating Squirrel next year!)
Another point : the Wars of Aggression waged by “our” government in Iraq and Afghanistan (let’s not forget the dozen or so other countries we’re actively medling in) are conditioning the troops to the most atrocious behavior, against civillians (not a rountine action, bringing the 1st BCT, the most experienced door-kickers, from Iraq back to CONUS!), as well as conditioning the American public, through the hellivision, to seeing this blatant lawlessness perpetrated on non-combatants (and, of course, dehumanizing Patriots fighting FOR FREEDOM, in their own countries)…surely, most of the sheep won’t raise righteous HELL when they see the “New Cops” series on the Boob-Tube…indeed, they’ll make popcorn and gather the wife and kids to watch the American Patriot “Turrsts” get violated and murdered by these new “heroes”…
However, I’m confident there are a few MEN here, who’ll make the thugs think real hard about whether or not their hazard pay is really worth it!
December 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pm
My son’s whole battalion is coming from Germany (via Afghanistan) to Fort Bragg, N.C. at the end of January for 45 days of “training”. Most of the battalion is in Afghanistan now…they will be returning December 15th (around) and the whole battalion is “deploying” to North Carolina January 18th for “training”….or ???
December 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pm
#62 Holland says “What does people from holland doing there????”
Holland is heavily involved in NATO and UN “activities” around the world. It was Holland at the the vanguard of all NATO “activities” in Bosnia, Croatia, Serbia etc. in the 1990’s. Holland based NATO contingents have been (and still are) at the forefront of UN “activities” all over Africa for decades. Indeed Dutch mercenaries are renowned for their brutality, ruthlessness and of course their cleanliness.
December 1st, 2008 at 4:15 pm
hey christina #48. i read on this site 2 years ago united states ordered something like 200 guilitines from france. scary huh
December 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm
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December 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pm
thats good advice#51 linda.. just remember they hear everything you say on the phone and the internet.. seriously.. say a few keywords and your call or posts get monitored..
December 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm
If youve been to this site then you have probably read my posts. If not check my past post on this subject, gun control and the economy. If you need info say so. I’m tired of typing this stuff because so many have eyes but cannot see. Reality will awaken you but then you will have to escape your captor’s to fight. Google mixed war. Go to Idaho Observer 2007, Mixed war article. It will explain.
CW: Peaceful, non violent protest are necessary but when the tanks roll and the troops march all it will get you is imprisoned and shot dead.
If you havent prepared you must do so NOW.
Resistance is a state of mind. One in which you know whom, why, how and where to fight. The nature of guerrilla warfare to fight on your terms. You must be elusive. Gather intelligence. Have a plan within your group. Be prepared to fight. That means have your supplies, ALL, the supplies you need or think you may need, in place and or places other than your home. Tell no one, NO ONE, of theses places. Be prepared at a moments notice for that may be all you get is a moment to flee your home as the troops are enroute, and approach your home. Have a network of people you know and trust with group warning signals on your cell phones. Establish predesignated locations to fall back to and organize. This is all basic military strategy. If you dont know it, learn it. Take responsibility for yourself, your family, your nation, your future. Be prepared. When tis happens, and it will happen, if you are not ready to respond then it is your fault. You remember that when you are inside the fences looking out, or standing by the ditch.
Till next time.
Be ready.
December 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pm
Go back & MEMORIZE comment #14. He has 2 very valid points. Buy your supplies NOW [buy it cheap-stack it deep]. And I too have never turned away or been released from my Oath To Protect the Constitution! Does the NWO want an armed revolt? NO, they believe that the dumbed down sheep that populate this land will surrender. And I believe nearly 90% will. As for the esclation of festivities, it will go like this 1) Peaceful Protest, 2) Civil Disobedience, 3) Rioting, 4) Organized Rebellion. You see, after the government thugs quell protest using Agent Provocatuers to justify heavy handed repression, the sequence is the common scenario. But take heart, 30 million pissed off patriots should be able to “convince” the military of their errors.
December 1st, 2008 at 4:50 pm
PATRIOT #34…
I want to be near you, you always say the right thing and make me feel safe!
December 1st, 2008 at 4:52 pm
Very strange that Dutch soldiers are training such in the USA. Food for our Dutch politicle parties to ask questions about that to the governement. I wonder who is paying for this. The American tax payers or the Dutch.
December 1st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Hey Cw Hale,
I bet that worked well against the Scythians, the Vandals, the Goths, the Mongols hordes, and pretty much any other standing army ever sent to occupy a country. You’ll get it, when professional soldiers are bashing your teeth out with the butt of their carbines, while the rest of your peacenik friends are crawling on the ground, dragging themselves towards their bio diesel VW buses, with their eardrums oozing out the sides of their head, because true blue, civilized soldiers have sound cannons turned on you, relieving you of the rest of the shit from your bowels.
I’m sure the Carthaginian peasants begged for peace, then mercy, then quick death, as the Roman Centurions, disemboweled their wife and kids in front of them, and killed to the last man. You better wake up, this world isn’t nearly as civilized, as your Pinko, college professors have led you to believe. How many hundreds of millions of people did the governments kill last century? You better learn to fight for your life, because after they declare Martial Law, and your out on the street, your cute little picket signs, will not stave off army regulars, following a curfew order, or manning a checkpoint. What will you do when they have shoot to kill orders, for anybody out on the street, especially would be protesters and dissidents? Don’t confuse petitioning the government for public grievances, with fighting for your life, repelling a Military Junta. A touchstone of our Constitutional Republic is that our military is only to be used against our enemies. There is nothing to protest, it’s either America or it’s not. Soldiers are for killing the People’s enemies. Either they break their oaths, and become enemies of the People, or they stand down from an Unconstitutional order. Period.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pm
This always reminds me of this incident back in 1999, we were just getting together for a breaking session:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0YDrWZlz-I
December 1st, 2008 at 5:41 pm
Hey if it ever comes to US and coalition forces vs American people. Free American people should enlist the help of the Hizbollah Resistance fighters. They will gladly join free American citizens in fighting the US Govt. just like they they took on the Isreali Armed forces in 2006 and hammered them sending them back to Isreal with their tails between their legs. So I think it would be very unwise for the US military to take on the American people. The US military only has to see what a determined group of fighters with less sophisticated weopons can do against a Military force which was in this case the Isrealis.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:44 pm
CW Hale should not be dismissed out of hand. Non-violence is a method of getting the meek involved, those who would otherwise not speak up. Then when they see how their right to peacefully complain (petition) has been usurped, they will become more vocal and supportive. You must remember that many with small childen will not speak out until the babies are crying from hunger. Those however who wish to do more should remember the standard NATO round is .308. Confronting the “Domestic Security” face to face will do little at first. It will serve to awaken the true American soldiers to the fact their orders are illegal and unconstitutional. I hear there may be a rodent problem in the future so I advise buying several good varmint rifles{308}, with good scopes. When one rat is shot, and no one knows from where, the others tend to scatter. Remember, no quartering of troops in your home allowed. Freedom=Terror
December 1st, 2008 at 5:46 pm
#53 – You may well have missed the point. Yes, I am counting on around 1% of the Population to have the will and sand to not go quietly. However, I am not counting on having one solid force of 3 million people fighting as one. As you say, Communications is the primary element to any force and ALL communications are monitored. Yes, I am on the list, I have no doubt about that. Perhaps not due to simple postings on message boards but I have taken active steps for awareness which certainly landed me in the spotlight. Now, with that said, all the sticking point really is here is strategy. Small organized groups who are accustomed to each other and have trained with each other to gain a sense of the others. Same way we’re trained in the Emergency Response Teams. Each man is well aware of the others capabilities and weaknesses. An organized solid 3 million man force, never happen. An accumulated populace of 300,000,000 fighting back, that’s a pipe dream if there ever was one. However, maybe – just maybe, if all the Americans who haven’t been castrated and led to their own demise already, were able to achieve a small organization of similarly trained people, say 500,000 individual civilian ERT or SWAT teams around the country, that’s something to consider.
People need to realize, SWAT teams are not God’s – they are simply calculated, dynamic groups of men who run the same drills over and over until the layout of your house is like 2nd nature. They are not defensive units, simply offensive units. Fight a stronger enemy on his terms and failure is near guaranteed. Change the battle plan, force the one cohesive Goliath to split into its many parts and they are now simply targets of opportunity.
God help us if these conversations ever have to go from purely academic to realistic discussions of survival, as many will die. The point is, I believe that the enemy has prepared for the VAST MAJORITY of people to simply roll over and show their bellies while also preparing for a VERY SMALL MINORITY to individually fight back. They will use that small resistance as propaganda for more control, of course. So, change the battle plan. Stop letting the only resistance be unorganized and provoked by being backed into a corner. Go on the OFFENSIVE, this the enemy does not expect
Get some organization and unit independence and all of a sudden, the giant becomes scared. Look at our military history, Korea, Vietnam – Look at the action reports from Grenada, Afghanistan, Iraq – We are not used to having even remotely well organized and dedicated resistance to our grand military might.
So, to you and CW Hale – I say good luck, one with hiding his head behind closed doors and the other behind picket signs. Neither will do a damn bit of good in the end. Then again, maybe the people fighting won’t do any either, didn’t do the South a whole lot of good when they wanted their Soveirgnty recognized. At least they fucking did SOMETHING though.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:53 pm
#76 – Roland, I’m not saying peaceful protest or non-violent resistance has no place, nor do I think anyone here has said that. I would wager that several of us have been to a protest or two in our time. The point being made here, I believe, is what the hell good has it done. We are drawing near to the end of “Peaceful Protest” being a reasonable attempt at a solution. The enemy amasses forces on OUR shores while we make signs and jellybean shakers. Sounds stupid put like that doesn’t it. I think the only thing to come out of this discussion is that 1) Peaceful Protests can no longer be considered, by any reasonable person, to be a viable solution. 2) The enemy is not just at the gates, it is in them and it owns them. 3) The time is coming quick when We The People Of This Country must decide – hide, fight or negotiate. I’ll leave it up to you to pick which one’s ridiculous, which one has been done and worked before, and which one will leave you as History’s next Neville Chamberlain.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:56 pm
I work as a security guard. So if a guardsman comes up to me and orders me to give him a piece of my gear to use (ie: my baton, pepper spray, etc). Would I be obligated to give it to him. I’ll give it to him but the last thing I’m giving him is my gun.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:57 pm
Something that will be of primary importance, in all likelihood, within the next year, is the very real effect of the total collapse of the economy, and the impact that will have, not only on the civies, but on the troops and cops.
That means, if you want your family and yourself to survive the Mega-Depression, you will enthusiastically obey orders, the Law Of The Land be damned…the “law enforcement”, military and police alike, which are already VERY tight-knit, will assume the status the Global Cabal has assigned them, in their plans, long ago, that of a new, “elite” class that will be treated well as long as they demonstrate their allegiance to their Lords.
It isn’t anything out of the ordinary, either.
All tyrannies understand, rule number one : take care of the troops who keep you in power.
Again, just a cursory look at military history will quickly reveal that the enforcement arms of all governments seek to separate their Jannissaries from the people, when they wish exercise a level of dominion which becomes unpopular.
It is definitely the RIGHT thing to do, to appeal to the HUMANITY of our fellow-countrymen in uniform, to appeal to their genuine Patriotism…but, when their wife and kids, their freedom, safety, and provision are at stake, they will look at you as an undesired, but NECESSARY enemy…just as you will them.
December 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Are people that afraid of non-violence? As many as a dozen, mostly hateful, vulgar and ignorant posts, have been directed at this issue. What scares people so much? Are you so wrapped up in a “gun gets results” mentality? What are you hoping for? A bloody revolution? Have you isolated yourself to such an extend that your home is viewed as a little castle that must be defended?
This manic response has less to do with some resolve to fight the NWO and more to do with a very twisted view of right and wrong. I couldn’t believe I saw the word “pinko” used in one post. Pinko? That hasn’t been in style since people stopped wearing Mao-Tse-Tung caps and Che Guervera t-shirts! If your fears and hatreds are that intense I suggest you cut back on your sugar intake or caffeine consumption. Perhaps you have watched too many reruns of Rambo or, God help us, take seriously the WWE.
Please try to understand that the NWO has, as one of its most powerful tools, the fantasy world of violence: television, movies, music, magazines, books, “action figures”, “toy” guns and a preponderance (that means a lot), of violent symbolism. You have been weaned on it since childhood, sucking on it like a baby sucks on his mothers’ tit. “Might makes right”, Better dead than red” ,”Go ahead, make my day” ,”I’ll be back” and other classic quotes from Hollywood’s propaganda machine. You have been programmed to respond like frightened sheep – “Hurry dear get my gun!”, while at the same time your thinking processes have been switched off. If you really want to resist these people do something they don’t expect. If, however, you believe, as some have posted, that the majority of the police and soldiers won’t give a damn and kill you anyway, I suggest you pick up your grandpa’s shotgun right now and go “a-huntin’ – the less of you there are the better.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Don’t worry folks. Plenty of lamp posts to go around for these traitors. Plenty of lamp posts.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Matt,
Excellent thinking, but the capture and/or death of your offensive force will only add fuel to the propaganda fire. You will become the DREADED HOMEGROWN TERRORIST. Those in power will, according to their well rehearsed gameplan, carry out false flag attacks in your soon to be universally hated name. Perhaps we would do well to study the tactics of the Afgans, and MOSSAD, to fight an unconventional war. Unfortunately false flag attacks may be a tool we too are forced to use. You cannot fight a totally corrupt system from within, for it totally corrupts. It’s a sad thought to think that some may have to be sacrificed, but murder certainly doesn’t bother the enemy.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pm
Sorry folks I was wrong. CW Hale should be dismissed. He’d look good in a Nehru jacket while walking with Gandi, both of whom were murdered. So much for non-violence.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Absoloutely right, Matt…you’ve got it…I figure, if I’m gonna raise hell about this Sysytem, I’ll speak out where it matters, on these forums…like you I know I’m “on the list”, have been since I was sixteen. You learn to live with it.
But instead of the Patriots of this country following the same, old Primrose Path, we should, indeed, get ready, as all of the intelligence alerts are RIGHT IN FRONT of our very eyes! And, most importantly, is that we cease and dissist from squandering our resources on the many futile efforts that always do nothing more than dilute the strength, energy, and CONFIDENCE of those who wish to restore our Republic.
The failure of all who have resisted the steamroller of tyranny in our Nation have one thing in common, a FATAL FLAW, which has inevitably cpippled ALL such movements in the past, and that is forming “groups” to “protest”, and write their “representatives” (who, of course, promptly wipe their ass with the letter), and go out with tee-shirts and signs, give their meager Federal Reserve Notes to whatever group is loudest at the time, start and sign “petitions”, which judges condignly overturn if successful, on and on…you’ve only distracted the efforts of dilligent, hard-working people from building assets, training, and psychologically preparing for the Day Of The Door-Kick.
Prepare, keep quiet, that is what Patriots should do now…the System fears, above all else, the many THOUSANDS out there, WHOM THEY DO NOT KNOW ABOUT!
December 1st, 2008 at 6:33 pm
Roland,
Yes – now look at the other side of what you said. How many patriots were taking up arms until the shot heard round the world at Concord? That same propaganda can and will go both ways. I understand completely the belief that there will never be a cohesive feeling among a fruitful percentage of Americans. This belief sees that the only fighting will be done sporadically by small groups here and there – simply furthering the crackdown. That belief is justified and, most likely, absolutely true. So do something they don’t expect right? What does the bully not expect? He doesn’t expect the weakling to reach up and knock the shit out of him. When that happens, his whole world is thrown into disarray. When the dynamic entry SWAT teams stop being successful, when their entries with flashbangs and surefire lights, where they HOPE that you “reach for a pistol”, when those tactics STOP being successful and their teams no longer make it out of Private Citizens houses, that will throw their whole world into disarray. There is always going to be the majority that will follow whatever the blinking box of bullshit tells them and will believe the “Homegrown Terrorist” line. Some, like many of us here, will know the difference. Many of the vets who hear of their retired Spec-Ops brothers having “accidental explosions”, will know it’s horseshit. Many of the tactically trained people who AREN’T part of the system any longer will know the “reached for a pistol” line means that he was murdered. The propaganda war can go both ways. One side will always have, by far, the upper hand, no doubt. That doesn’t mean there isn’t a lower hand though.
An unconventional war is exactly what I’m discussing. A force of millions NOT congregated under one command, NOT tied to head of the snake. Isn’t that the tactics we’re told “The Terrorists” use? Independently operating cells? Perhaps that concept is demonized to make my fellow good ‘ol boys who can’t escape the control grid refuse the strategy because the enemy is well aware of its power.
“Whoever lays his hand on me to govern me, is a usurper and a tyrant, and I decare him my enemy”. Once you can bring yourself to declare someone your enemy and know that you are just, the ability to think in terms of 3-dimensional tactics no longer becomes difficult.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:43 pm
Reply:
To # 84 “Roland Carnaby”:
Ghandi and Nehru were assassinated for religious reasons it had nothing to do with a perceived “failure’ of non-violence. In addition, Nehru was at odds with Ghandi for many years over the issue of violent vs. non-violent acts.
Also, I would never be so crass as to suggest anyone’s postings should be dismissed, even ones I strongly disagree with. Go get your gun Roland, they’re knockin’ at your door.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
Hmmm… lets see…peaceful nonviolent person says to armed violent person….please play nice and respect me,I am your friend,I dont wish to hurt you or be hurt by you,armed person is so moved by amazement and compassion that he throws down his gun and hugs and kisses non violent person while sobbing and calling him brother.
So I guess all the wars and horrors down through the centuries are the fault of people who decided to fight back……just like the walmart guy who was trampled,yaa blame him dont blame the braindead cattle that stomped him, man you had to go to the public schools to get that dumb,no one is born that stupid!
Maybe the American people have bent over too far and too often trying to find the peaceable way to settle the score……AND MAYBE THE OTHER SOB DIDNT GIVE A RATS REAREND AND JUST SHOVED THE KNIFE DEEPER!!!!!!!! Maybe the peaceful approach just aint getting the violent guys attention and maybe a .45 will!
Peace is not a bad thing but like a dance it takes TWO so if one party wont play nice then the other is under no obligation to be a idiot and let Mr violent rape kill steel and whatever else he gets his jollys from,SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA KILL THE BASTARDS! Get real!!!!!
December 1st, 2008 at 6:50 pm
CW Hale – Perhaps people aren’t “afraid” of non-violence, perhaps people have just realized the true nature of the enemy we face and the ineptness of destroying a leviathan with angry letters and protests. I understand the concepts of Peaceful Resistance, non-violent confrontations, civil disobedience etc. etc. etc. What we are looking at is an enemy that is currently setting up MASSIVE military might that has been trained and embedded in war then brought back here. They have been brought back here TO KILL ANYONE WHO RESISTS. You cannot fight that with civil disobedience. You cannot fight that with sit-ins, ride-ins or any of the other forms of this concept that have been practiced throughout time. Gandhi doing a hunger protest? They don’t give a damn if you die, that will do nothing.
I have no fear of non-violence, I have been participating in it for quite some time. I believe that the time has come where that did not accomplish what we hoped so you move on to the next tactic. The definition of insanity is repeating an action and expecting different results. I have protested, I have yelled, I have actually spoken directly with 3 of my representatives and one of my Senators. What’s happened? Did I solve the problem? No, I didn’t. What happened with the bailout? They shut off the phones when we started complaining. My point here is, simply, a group that has entrenched itself so deeply, amassed so much power, so much wealth and who desires only one more thing – TOTAL CONTROL – will not turn all that over because “The People” refuse to eat until it stops or refuse to get in the back of the bus. They will simply tase you and throw your ass in the back of the bus.
Don’t cop out claiming that anyone who’s not on board with your “Non-Violence” solution is simply afraid of your ideas. Don’t cop out with indicting anyone who feels a fight is coming and that fight WILL be nasty. Don’t cop out with saying that MEN who naturally FIGHT AND DIE for what they hold dear and true are simply trained to be that way. Everything you mentioned is simply used to substitute for men ACTUALLY doing those things. You castrate the men and give them a supplement for those still innate needs and what have you got? A population who gets their aggression out vicariously (that means enjoying through alternate means) will not need to get them out towards the things that REALLY need that aggression.
So don’t cop out and keep a strangle hold on this idea of Non-Violence. You got some ideas in that realm that haven’t been tried? Pass ‘em on brother – let me know what you got and I will do what I can to help. I don’t think there is though, and I will continue training, learning and working for the day when my skills can be used to aide people in the fight for Freedom.
December 1st, 2008 at 6:58 pm
Reb – “Sometimes you gotta kill the bastards!!” Damn, lot more succinct than me. It’s true. Some people just need to be shot. Some people simply CANNOT live peaceably with others and respect their rights while enjoying their own. Some people simply want to RULE while others simply want to see the world burn. So, negotiate, deal, compromise until it gets to the point where you see that the other party, as Reb said, simply isn’t playing the same game as you. After you realize that, if you continue with what you are doing and still expect it to work, well like I said, sounds like the definition of insanity doesn’t it?
December 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Re;#81
My goodness!…po’ wittuwl CWHALE…what planet do you live on?!…so, I suppose, if you would dare even touch a weapon, much less have it under the rock where you obviously live, if someone breaks in you would attempt to, maybe, yell at them real loud, all the while hoping they wouldn’t harm you or your wife/husband and children???…(considering, of course, if “male”, you are man enough to have ever had a woman spend more than twenty minutes in your extremely effeminate presence!)…
This is Planet Earth…natural law prevails, always has, always will…crack even a very basic history book. If you don’t want to do WHATEVER IT TAKES to protect your family, you are a failed human being, period!
Ah, hell, if you figure the best way to resist tyranny is to beat their fists up with your face, well, you get what you deserve; I only hope, if you don’t wake up, your starved, battered carcass won’t get in the way of Real Men, those giving the SACRIFICES necessary to preserve this Republic!
December 1st, 2008 at 7:01 pm
CW – I think his point about Gandhi was that, despite HIS non-violence, there were still people who were willing to KILL. Non-Violence does not beget Non-Violence in your enemy. So, what will be more successful? Taking your enemy out or letting him take you out?
December 1st, 2008 at 7:03 pm
C W Hale you really need to look at history, peaceful protests have never worked. At the DNC in Denver 1000 s of people protested but the news only showed about a 100 of them if that had been an armed protest that might have made the news. The time for sitins is out, the time for lock and load is in. I am not worried about protecting my house just my family and I don’t own a pop gun just a real weapon.
December 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pm
Remember that “event” Joe Biden “guaranteed” to happen after Obama was sworn in? The one where he said that initially we would be against it, and it would look wrong to us but if we gave them time we’d see it their way?
December 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
1. knew about manufactured recession by united states gov to destroy the dollar last year before it happened..
2. knew about martial law last year (ok hasnt happened yet, but its iteresting to your gov guy threaten it if bill wasnt passed, the order of 5 microwave tank things, troops heading to usa)
3. last month i was online calling pakistanies in britain terrorists but i admit i was just being racist
happy christmas and new world order…
December 1st, 2008 at 7:29 pm
CW Hale – So, are some men just spoiling for a fight? You’re damn right we are. For too long we have tried to talk to the enemy. For too long, we have tried to be the good guy and accept more regulations “as long as….” For too long, we have stood by and watched a group that is hell bent on destroying our God Given right to lead our lives as we see fit. We have stood by and watched RIGHTS turned into PRIVILEGES and PRIVILEGES turned into CRIMES. We have protested, we have written, we have talked, we have learned and we have educated. What has that gotten us? It has worked quite well in getting more people aware of what we’re facing and, hopefully, gaining enough brothers in arms to be able to RECLAIM OUR FREEDOM. You don’t think the time has come for a fight? You don’t think the time has come for MEN to reclaim our Country for our women and children? Talk to the THOUSANDS of people who have become first time gun owners in the last month. People see what’s coming and they are not stocking up on posterboard, markers, jellybean shakers and books on how to make up the perfect rhyming chant.
December 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pm
91 Carolina Dave Says:
December 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
haha so true, hey maybe leonidas could of shouted at the persion, very loud, and they would leave
he would of shouted
“leave britney alone”
ooops hahahahahahaha
HW Spartan
December 1st, 2008 at 7:37 pm
didn’t the tibetsans practice non-violence and the chinese just rolled over them? i learned hat from the movie brad-pit was in. im well educated /joke
December 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
To CW Hale – Here’s the problem with nonviolent resistence in this situation – the resistence must be organized, consistent and massive. When martial law comes you count on a spontanious nonviolent uprising. You and I both know that will never happen. So that honestly leaves you with two choices, you can comply or you can resist. Most will comply and they will end up in a concentration camp, separated from their family, home, property, and liberty. Those that resist may die, but if millions of independent people decide to resist, and trust me, millions of us will, then the Fascists will be forced to fight back, diverting energy, manpower, and resources away from their enslavement camps. Additionally, as time goes on, many of the troops and police will loose their stomach for fighting their neighbors and friends. They will see that the same things are happening to their families, and they will join with us and fight against those who seek to opress us. I am a peaceful, nonviolent man. I have no lust for this garbage. I have a wife, two kids, and live a modest but comfortable existence. If that was taken from me I’d have nothing. I couldn’t live with myself if I told my family to comply just to avoid a violent confrontation. I’d hate myself if I found myself sitting on a bench in some giant warehouse with 10,000 other people who I don’t know, and I’d be sick with worry about the welfare of my family. To me and I think millions of others, there is no choice but to take up arms and protect my little part of the world that’s mine. If the entire world disarmed, I’d be first in line to give up my weapons. But that will never happen, so I must stand my ground and hope that my friends and neighbors do the same. I also believe it is my duty as an American Citizen and lover of liberty to protect the foundations of that liberty, to resist the destruction of our nation that promises us life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I want to live a long, happy, private life, but I will not surrender myself and my family and my beliefs to a bunch of jack-booted thugs bent on destruction. Live free or die is the name of the game now, just like it was in 1776.
Therefore, I propose that all in the “Freedom Movement” that now is dijointed and unorganized, come together under one name – a name that was used the last time our country was under threat of tyranny. I propose we join together as the “SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF LIBERTY.” We need every red blooded American, regardless of race or gender to do what the Sons of Liberty did in 1776!
December 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Good gravy people! Calm yourselves! Non-violence isn’t non-existence! To “Matt” and anyone else under the impression that I am some flower power child living in a dream world. Non-violence does not mean violence doesn’t exist or that it will magically dissappear. I will state for the third and final time: You have the constitutional right to defend your life, your family and your property. Clashing in the streets with a well-armed police and military force is stupidity. It will only result in defeat and unecessary loss of life.
A co-ordinated, sustained and mass movement of non-violence has, and will work. For the record, I have had training in both small arms and rifles though it is not something I necesssarily believe is an asset nor do I believe it makes me a better person or more worldly-wise.
Now, is it possible for some of you to appreciate these views without having to agree with them?
December 1st, 2008 at 7:42 pm
Matt, I agree with you 100%. I was just warning those that take an offensive stance what lay ahead for them. A sniper is both an offensive and defensive weapon. By slaying the dog each house-house squad has will seriously hamper their ability to fulfil their mission. Perhaps when the scum see a line in the sand, they will desist in fear of their lives, knowing they will be the next dog shot. CW seems to believe that through non-violence a solution can be found. Nothing more than the Hegelan dialectic at work. Thesis + Anti-thesis = Consensus. Only our enemies know what consensus they want and will manipulate the other side of the equation to get the results they desire. If violence can be bred out of humanity, then I do truly fear for our future.
December 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pm
CW, I can’t help but think you are gov’t blogger. A spook so to say. That would explain your weapons training. The CIA found a job for you that you like, after all shooting people in the back of the head is so impersonal. Experience tells me a knife is the truly personal way to go.
December 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Your mother=(england) shall be sore confounded; she that bare you shall be ashamed: behold, the hindermost=(last) of the nations=(USA) shall be a wilderness, a dry land, and a desert. Jeremiah 50:12 A sound of battle is in the land, and of great destruction :22 How is the hammer of the whole earth cut asunder and broken! :23 Therefore shall her young men fall in the streets, and all her men of war shall be cut off in that day, :30>>>O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness. 51:13 And the land shall tremble and sorrow: for every purpose of YHVH shall be performed against Babylon=(confusion), to make the land of Babylon a desolation without an inhabitant.>>>The USA holds the deed to babylon, controling the ancient land of Iraq…In those days and at that time=the last generation….the daughter of babylon, the USA will fall never to be inhabited again, by missles from a company of nations, led by the spirit of the medes=iran…only those who heed the warning and flee will escape…to read of the demise of the USA in full…Jeremiah 50, 51, Revelation 18…resistence is futile>>>> http://www.waytozion.com
December 1st, 2008 at 7:53 pm
Ohhh…I can’t resist this one!
To Roland: your damn right! My file on you has just been activated! Watch your step pal!
December 1st, 2008 at 7:57 pm
i think you are all underestimating the nwo people. if i was a nwo and knew there would be resistence i would want the leaders like alex jones to work for me and everyone who posts on site like this to be put on a list and killed for being a terrorist. you people are the only threat to the nwo people. everyone else can be controlled by media, obama and false flag attacks.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:02 pm
#12 oooops wrong site, it’s okay dumbasses do that all the time.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
When a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.” Jefferson
I think that we the people have been patient enough,have tried the passivist non violence way long enough,put up with way too much,time to get serious,time to make sure we are united as freemen,time to cover each others backsides,time to decide if we value something else above liberty,we have to move on out of the valley of indecision and be ready to cut the heads of this hydra and secure the blessings of liberty for us and our kids,otherwise we must bow down under the “chains” and be content to be silent for eternity,never I say never,do I wish to be amoungst the cowering masses as one of them,content to live under a tyrants heel for my daily ration of bread,NEVER! I do not advocate sensless violence or violence for the sake of it,but force must sometimes be used against the forcer,like it or not, thats the way the real world works!
I do not at any time want to see this system changed to something else only to be restored to the original plan that was “America”,that was the dream, no matter how imperfect she may be,shes still the best and I fully intend to see her restored,not replaced and yes that is worth fighting for and if nessesary dying for,yes even so pacifists can keep on being the way they are ,so everyone who wants to live free and unmolestest can do so,so far peacable means only seem to have helped the monster grow even larger, “Live free or die tryin”
December 1st, 2008 at 8:14 pm
Again, this is NOTHING NEW!!! Aftewr the “Civil” war, or what I call the second American Revolution, the Federal Government sent troops into the South to disarm and disenfranchise the people of the South. While people think the South was fighting to preserve slavery, the truth is that they were fighting big Government. The New World Order used newly freed slaves to disrupt the south and create conditions where Southern people could not feel safe. Then came the “Reconstruction Laws” and even martial Law! Check your history!!! Jefferson Davis stated that when the American people figured out what the “Civil War” was really fought over, there would be another one! This day is coming fast! The South formed a secret alliance of men who had the courage to do what had to be done! They were considered heroes back then, but with the development of television and media, this group (Like Alex Jones and anyone who stands for the truth) has been demonized and the people have turned on them. Once again, we need a police organization that will uphold CONSTITUTIONAL Law and fight government terrorism against the people. There is just such an organization which has not promoted or endorsed Hatred, but has been fighting the New world Order since 1865! http://www.tckkkk.org
December 1st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
I’ve been reading comments on here for awhile, and I’m heartened that so many people are aware of how close we are to the edge of the precipice. I do agree with some of the folks who say that most of the big talkers will either submit or die foolishly, but I do want to make two points:
#1 To the folks on here who talk about a non violent response to martial law, because of the futility of fighting an overwhelming and highly trained force…tell that to the soldiers fighting a bunch of ragged mujahedin in Afghanistan. Those folks are fighting for their homes and land, and the elite Russian troops curled their tails between their legs and left, and in time we will too, just as we did when the untrained, uncoordinated Viet Cong chased us out. ( #59 also made this point). Someone else said that those folks were fighting for their homelands agains foreign invaders….well, I think if we see troops doing house to house searches to round up resisiters and weapons, they classify as invaders.
#2 Most of you have seen Braveheart, and I KNOW IT’S A MOVIE, but in the movie Mel Gibson’s William Wallace says something appropriate when the Scots tell him they’re afraid of the English and want to run:
“Sure, fight and you may die; run and you may live for a while, but lying in your beds many years from now, would you be willing to trade all of those days from that day to this for one more chance to show the English that they can take your life, but they can never take your FREEDOM.”
I myself can not visualise submitting to an internment camp, so if that’s their plan, hell YES I will resist.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
CW Hale – “You have the constitutional right to defend your life, your family and your property.” I’m not saying that you’ve stated otherwise. I’m not talking about simply defending my self when a looter, an assassin or an S.S. Officer comes uninvited into my home. I’m talking about the method and means necessary to STOP what’s being culminated in our Nation. I’m talking about what’s necessary to RECLAIM what was once a bastion of Freedom and Personal Responsibility. If Non-Violence and Non-Violence ALONE has stopped Oppression, Tyranny and Despotism – explain your plan. Did the Tank Man in Tienanmen Square stop the massacre that took place? Did he stop the parents who showed up the next day to find their children from getting shot in the back as they ran from the troops? No, it didn’t. You’re missing my entire point here. I agree that Non-Violent Political Protest is the name of the game UP TO A POINT. Whether that point has arrived or not, that’s up to you. 20,000 MORE U.S. troops for Domestic “Security”? Does that make you feel “Secure”? So, protest it and let me know how that goes for you and what exactly it accomplishes.
Yes, the Tank Man is a great image and quite touching; however, don’t just study THAT part of the events. Take a look at the merciless massacre that took place directly after that.
You are more than welcome to continue your Non-Violent means, I’m not here to stop you. If you are successful and this situation never requires MEN to FIGHT – Thank God. However, if that time does come, I would appreciate you either picking up a weapon or getting the hell out of the way. How’s that for negotiation and compromise?
The only other point I would make is something I want you to think about. Think about the men who have the ability and power to set up an enact the very things we’re seeing culminate right now. Imagine what they think when they see “Non-Violent” protests while they’re invading Nations and allowing their Military to get the Urban training it needs to subdue this populace. Imagine their laughs and ridicules at the signs and chants. Sure, it’s probably a nuisance at times so they just sick the dogs on us but a threat? I don’t think so.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pm
Roland – “If” violence can be bred out of humanity? I don’t know how old you are but I’m in my mid-20’s and DEFINITELY see violence being bred out of my Generation. Effeminate males, no muscle mass, fat, lazy, apathetic, obsessed with digital violence but utterly incapable of enacting any in defense of themselves, convinced that not having the right car is what’s holding them back. I see men who shrink when I raise my voice, men who sulk away when I correct the work they did or who laugh and shrug it off. The boys (NOT Men) of my generation will bitch and moan about many things but couldn’t tell you what happens when you get punched in the nose. They will claim that Guns are the source of evil and those who are trained and in possession of them are a scourge upon society instead of trained Riflemen ready to defend themselves and theirs. Even what comes from violence, the drive for competition in the workplace – GONE! I see some of the Guys that work for me with NO ambition, NO drive and NO desire to FIGHT for anything better for their family. Not all of them, sure. But damnit if I don’t notice a trend.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pm
so we resist. but I hear go to them if that day comes. do I go to the houses that are being searched first and start kikn ass. Don’t wait for them go to them. It’s suicide either way so I am going to die for freedom.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Roland – I see what you’re saying. I did take it as you saying that the propaganda war was a reason NOT to take action. That was my mistake – like I replied though, you’re absolutely right; however, it can go two ways. Unfortunately, we don’t have a Nationwide or Globalwide propaganda system pumped out of the blinking box of bullshit. What I think I missed was the idea of playing the same game they do. That’s interesting in several fronts that I need to put some thought into.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Let them bring it on, their are more of usd then of them, we will kick their asses from here to russia, if our boys in uniform are tha stupid then they will be held accountable along with all the other scumbag representatives and be jailed then hung according to our constitution.
December 1st, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Support the troops. They are automaticley the good guys because they have a falg on their shirt.
Oh beautiful for spacious skies…….
December 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Yaw a bunch of numbertakers. Slaves to the system ,your Old ladies, and Satan. 95 percent of everyone youve ever known will wind up in hell. Remember narrow is the gate and few who find it.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:09 pm
Matt, the part of the equation regarding 20,000 troops that you are overlooking, is the large number of young vets with combat experience/trauma. The powers that be must be afraid of these men (and women) taking the righteous side of the battle. Psychologically they may find it difficult to fight their “brothers”. I spoke with one marine this weekend who said, “I killed more women and children than the great reaper”, yet he could not understand why. He was neither proud nor repentant. And so we see the fruits of our education system, no empathy just obedience.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pm
Matt I’m twice as old as you, which is why what you see around you is reality, they are docile. About 20 yrs ago the laws changed, whereby several small demerits became a reason for incarceration. That’s why we have the world’s largest prison population. Sure, you can get out, but when you do you are institutionalised. Fancy word for broken, ever notice an ex-con uses, almost endlessly, the word BOSS. Every little transgression can be blown out of proportion, and never plead guilty to a felony, even if you’re guilty. Soon possession of ammo could become a crime,a felony. I’ve read on some sites that this is where the gun control movement is headed. Ammo with serial numbers, ungodly expensive, and not mentioned in the second amendment. Remember NATO=.308.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pm
It’s getting late Matt and we are spinning our wheels here. I will not, as you politely put it. …”get out of the way…” when you come running in with your weapon. When you disrupt a peaceful protest with violence you put the lives of everyone in jeopardy. It is not I who am missing the point. I could list hundreds of non-violent acts one can perform in the face of aggression. Here are five for you to ponder on:
1) disrupt, disable or destroy road and rail networks
2) cut lines of communications to and from military and paramilitary installations
3) block access to government owned and operated facilities
4) refuse to obey unlawful and unconstitutional orders
5) do not enlist in the military, police or like-minded organizations
Does this mean all will be forgiven and the “bad guys” will go away? No. The most obvious difference between violent and non-violent resistance is violent resistance is much easier to identify and destroy. Mass non-violent acts paralyze a structured power. If you had read my posting on the “tank man” (actually he was a civilian blocking the tanks), you would have read that act alone did not free the Chinese people but a nation-wide mass act of such defiance would quickly change the situation and, at the very least, cause the powers that be to pause and rethink their strategies.
Now, its late, I’m tired and I fully understand the emotional reasons for violent resistance but that does not mean it will work or that non-violence is weakness or submissiveness. I don’t expect you understand this but perhaps one day you will see the value in non-violent action it is, ultimately, the only hope.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pm
Roland,
This is an area that I’m simply not comfortable enough to make a decision on. I have talked with many soldiers who plain and simple know what’s going on and are pissed about it. However, and just like back in the world, there are plenty more who are as Gung-Ho as a V.C. on speed and will follow any order he’s given. In some, this is because they’re given a rifle and cool shit and they enjoy the hell out of it, some (like many cops) are strung out on power while others are simple minded who have had it beaten and berated into them that orders are orders no matter what. The older guys I’ve talked with are the ones I’m really more comfortable with. Even many of the lifers are (saying at least) that their pension doesn’t mean shit if the orders are domestic repression. I can say that, for sure, there will be many cops/soldiers/”Agents” who will fight for the right side but, like the civvies, there will many more who simply take the comfortable route and fight for who pays ‘em. Remember, when this economy crash catches up with us, the Federal Government will be an employer that MANY people are scared of losing. Gas from Federal Stations, guaranteed paycheck and all the goodies. I think MANY of the Feds are going to stay where they’re at simply because of that. They have families and aren’t willing to sacrifice for what’s right.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:49 pm
CW Hale – I don’t believe you’re really thinking this stuff through man. “disrupt, disable or destroy road and rail networks” – you mean, blowing up rail lines? Destroying bridges with some homemade Nitro? That’s non-violent?
“block access to government owned and operated facilities” – Okay, so I set up blockades and what happens when the Fed’s come to plow through it and dismantle my little effort? Do I let them do it and I just look like the silly guy who’s trying to play with the Feds? Or do I arm my blockade and enforce the actions I’m taking?
“refuse to obey unlawful and unconstitutional orders” – Okay, you refuse, then what? I believe the National Firearms Act is Unconstitutional so what? Let’s say I were to convert some seni-autos over to full-auto? Then what? The Black Boys from the ATF show up – do I fight to stand up and back my civil disobedience or do I let myself get locked up in a cage forever?
You seem to fail in thinking this stuff through all the way and also in thinking that by “Violent Resistance”, like so many other short-sighted people, you think people mean just charging out into the streets with guns a blazin’. Come on, if that’s the case, get real.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:52 pm
Roland – I’m pretty sure that Rifle Ammo e.g. “Armor Piercing Ammo”, will surely be pushed as illegal. NATO rounds are both 5.56 x 45mm (.223 Remington) and 7.62 x 51 (.308 Winchester, not exactly but close enough). These are the exact two rounds Obamamama has already talked about taxing 500% then eventually outlawing. I have no doubt that will definitely be an effort that’s pushed as hard as possible because, like many of us have figured out, if you can’t outlaw the guns, just outlaw the damn bullets. People are getting very very angry and whether it’s a good idea or not CW Hale, a fight is a comin’. You can only push grown free people so far into a corner before they strike back.
December 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pm
Seems one of my posts disappeared into virtual neverland. TexasReb they are monitoring this site. CW Matt’s right again almost all your tactics are military in nature.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Ack three of my posts have not appeared. Garbage!!!!!
December 1st, 2008 at 10:12 pm
This is just flipping lovely – GI Joe cartoons 24/7 – Constant Road Checks – Warrantless arrests – Unlawful confiscations – Searches without a warrant – Sheesh – I think its time go inhabit a cave somewhere
December 1st, 2008 at 10:20 pm
Matt, I used the .308 only as a suggestion as to where ammunition can be found when most is effectively banned. Both a good “varmint” rifle (.308win) and an AR15 should be weapons of choice. The ammo for 30/30 and other common weapons may render them virtually useless. The same goes for handguns. Go to war with your equipment, but use your enemies supplies. An old adage that has served the victors many times.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pm
whos censoring the posts? its the infowars team right?
December 1st, 2008 at 10:32 pm
the asshole military scum don’t even know their not allowed talk about dumbed down stupid ignorant morons see if they attack when we shoot back young punks generals commanders were coming for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 1st, 2008 at 10:33 pm
well, this is total COMMIE KRAP. they will be opposed here! WE ARE HEADED FOR CIVIL WAR HERE, TIME TO WAKE UP, GET READY, PRAY FOR THE BEST, PREPARE FOR THE WORST, dino.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pm
Roland – I gotcha. It’s patently obvious why obama mentioned those two rounds. He actually said “.223 and .308″; however, he didn’t specify whether it was .308 Winchester or the 7.63 x 39mm (.308 diameter round just shorter) that AK’s use. So, without saying it outright, he wants those damned “Assault Rifles” to lose their ammunition. Can’t lose the guns then they’ll lose the ammunition. So, enemy resupply will be the best opportunity once they get that enacted. You’re spot on with that one. Missed your point at first. I had a choice for my, **clears throat**, Hunting Rifle I just bought and went with a .308 Winchester over a .30-06 for that exact reason. I figured that .30-06 held truer to the “Sporting Purpose” crap and that it might stay legal longer but then it crossed my mind exactly what you’re bringing up and went with the .308. hell of a nice rifle though.
I think it’s comical that all of CW’s “Non-Violent Tactics” are time tested guerrilla warfare tactics. Sometimes I remember that arguing on the internet is like hitting yourself in the face with a shovel, even if you win, you were still just hitting yourself with a shovel.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:38 pm
HMM . SCARY INDEED. THE REAL ISSUE IS WHAT ARE WE THE INFORMED DOING ABOUT THIS NOW, AND NOT WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN IT HAPPENS. I DO BELIEVE WE THE PEOPLE HAVE BOTH THE RIGHT TO PEASFULLY ASSEMBLE AS WELL AS TO VOICE OUR GRIEVENCES . BUT ARE WE READY TO DO SO IN AN ARMED MANNER? I DO NOT SUGEST ALL OUT CONFLICT ,BUT WE CAN NO LONGER AFORD TO SIT IDLE WHILE OUR LIBERTIES ARE CAST TO THE SIDE. WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO FLEX OUR CONSTITUTIONALY BACKED MUSCLE .BEFORE WE NO LONGER HAVE THE OPTION TO DO SO.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:57 pm
Matt,
Not long ago I asked my mother, who was born in the twenties, what did people do for money during the depression? She told me they did nothing because their was no money. The most highly sought job was any job with the govt, be it state, local, or national. So yes many will take the easy way out and work for whatever passes for a government. But as you pointed out earlier it only takes 1 in 100 to mount an effective resistance. I wholeheatedly believe that the only road to victory leads to the successful tactics of all those who have held off our hegemony. That may include some very dishonorable acts (i.e. false flag operations). With that in mind, I would not be too harsh on those who choose the easy route, because when the time comes, they can and will be twisted by both sides. So be sure and get a firm grip on their balls earlier on. And for god’s sake man don’t ever trust them.
December 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pm
Here’s my question…
First off, I work as a security officer. Should National Guard troops be deployed throughout the nation and they show up in my hometown? And I run into them. Am I obligated to follow orders from them? Like if they were to ask to borrow my baton or something. I mean; I’ll give it to them. But I’m not giving them my gun. Hopefully they would consider me and my co-workers ‘friendly personnel’.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pm
CW Hale, you are a coward and gov. disinfo fuck.
Go to hell you pissant.
Your non violence did wonders for all in Germany, Russia, Turkey, China , Rwanda; need I go on.
Got Gandhi,JFK,MLK jr., John Lennon and various others shot to death.
Keep preaching your bullshit.
Who cares about advanced weaponry.
Look at facts, the US get’s it’s ass kicked everywhere they go.
The Us is to large a place to police and it’s Military would loose against a all out fight with the population.
But keep pacifying the sheeple, you turncoat.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm
Matt, I was serious in my earlier statement that CW worked for the firm. The over-riding theme in all his posts was a passive (yet vocal) solution. Check out the Hegelan dialectic, it has long been used as a means to an end, an end that was always pre-determined. It’s a cornerstone of Marxist thought, along with the debasing of the national currency. In the thinking of the PTB they know the outcome they want (debt slaves), so now they just have to manipulate the thesis/anti-thesis part of the equation. That normally involves divide and conquer. The equation: passive vs militant=military action. Which at this stage of the game becomes debt-slaves. When the war starts, the Govt will default, resulting in the financing coming from the sheep, who then find they are in debt even to themselves. But by then they will have given up all freedoms.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:28 pm
MetalMilitia, all internet/phone service goes through a special locked room ( some with no doors) before it ever hits a server one. Chances are good Infowars never see them. Now that’s both freedom of speech, and protection from unwarranted search.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Roland – “So be sure and get a firm grip on their balls earlier on. And for god’s sake man don’t ever trust them.” That is just plain verbal gold. You’re spot on though, despite that being funny as hell. There’s not much to do in that aspect except keep talking, like we’ve all been doing, to as many people as possible, while gearing up for the conflict ahead. Those in the cushy Government jobs will do what they will – some will leave for the just and true while I think that most will stay out of convenience or a perceived necessity.
1 in 100 feels, at least in my area, to be a solid estimation. I truly believe that out of the hundreds of people I’ve talked to, maybe 3 or 4 still has some sand in their sack. My girl being first and foremost on that list, sadly. That’s a depressing ratio locally but, expanded nationally, I think it would be effective.
Ralph – i don’t know why but both times I’ve seen you ask that question it has felt like a setup for some reason. Oh well – You’re a security guard dude, not a commando. They will have no perceived camaraderie with you – either resist or give ‘em your damn baton, flashlight and whistle. As far as your gun goes, man that’s back to what I said to CW Hale so long ago. If your line in the sand is your gun, then either pick it up when needed or get the hell out of our way.
December 1st, 2008 at 11:36 pm
Roland – And you’re saying that the Absolute Idea is what would be determined by the conflict? That we each (Freedom vs. Tyranny) have a vision of it and it’s a matter of what synthesis we come to that determines it. Am I interpreting what your proposal of the dialectic is in this case correctly? This is the basis of the Problem, Reaction, Solution model of Government. To create the end goal, you have to find something to balance out what already exists so that the Absolute Idea that’s generated is what you want. So how would that pan out on our side of the Freedom Fence? What’s our manipulation?
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am
Something tells me that if it comes to a point where National Guardsmen have to be deployed in American streets. There’s a chance that the security company I work for could be contracted out to FEMA or some other major government entity in order to supplement the Natl Guard, normal law enforcement, etc.. I’m not sure. Whatever. I don’t care. Just as long as I’ll be safe. Besides…The national guard is the least of my worries. What I’m more worried about is hostile people who lost their jobs going rampant and wanting to kill me and those close to me just to get their hands on whatever money and valuables I have. And if it’s the government’s intent to confiscate firearms from the citizenry? I’ll be like one of the very last people to succumb to that because I need my gun to do my job.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:08 am
#73, well said Tom.
Spoken like a true Patriot.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 am
Matt, at the stage where our solution becomes important, would imply victory. While I believe some of us will survive and perservere, I do not see the country, as a whole, following. Only certain states will overcome. Therefore our weapon of choice must be their weapon of choice; money! Somehow I see a renewed push for a world gold/commodity currency coming in vogue. We therefore must use the establishment of a “freemans” currency. Not neccessarily backed by gold, perhaps a simple greenback will work. In fact, the adoption of some rebel currency would have many uses, the least of which is recognizing friend from foe. For this a fiat currency could prove very valuable. I do feel there is a place for precious metals in our system, if only to give the victors something to plunder, haha. Gold/ $1000 on E-bay,$750 COMEX. Something wrong there! Mints no longer filling orders. Gold and guns, gold and guns.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 am
Matt, I forgot to mention I live in Texas, and the ratio is much greater than 1-100, more like 1-10.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 am
@Matt: What do you mean by “setup”? And when I said ‘friendly personnel’ I didn’t mean camaraderie in a very literal sense. I meant like if National Guardsmen are stopping people at checkpoints. And I’m next in line to be stopped. Would they stop me too or let me pass because I’m in uniform and I got a job to do just like them? Besides I always have my IDs with me whenever I’m on duty. And I got SPOTLESS record. Not even a traffic violation.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:25 am
Sounds to me like CW Hale is a 503C. I am about the most non-violent person around, but unless God Himself takes control of THIS CRISIS in our country and world, there will be a tremendous need for all Americans to defend themselves from the gang of demons that has taken control of our government. I don’t need a weatherman to tell me it’s raining outside or another govt. agency to tell me the country is in a recession, and I don’t need you to tell me more lies about non-violence today. The majority of Americans are totally useless, they are ignorant, morally bankrupt, and have chemically altered brains.This isn’t Iceland and none of us wants a war, but most of us here know what is coming and my dear friend you are going to have to fight for your liberty or accept total slavery. Me, I’m going to die fighting for the freedom I believe in rather than die in a camp. I’m curious what the hell good do you think even a 10 million man march on Washington would do? They don’t care, they don’t see, and it’s already gone too far. And before that many could gather they’d declare martial law and attack them.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 am
Open your eyes and look at history back, when the union army was involved in civil matters? Crimes, against humanity occured. When president Lincoln sent the Army to the South. Did not the Union Army burn down the towns, farms and rape and killed elderly men, women and children? Did not the South starved because the Army took their food supply or burned their fields? And after the war, did the government not taxed the southern people out of their lands? And did not the Army inforced the cruel and unfair laws after the civil war?
And what about the Army on the TRAIL of tears? Did the troops showed compassion to the Indians? I don’t think so! For many Indians died along the trail. And what about those Indians that made it? Did not the Army give the Indians blanket laced with small pox? Army troops are taught to follow orders, without questions!!!! What happens when an Army view us as the enemy? Do you think the Army will show you mercy?? I hope for your sake, they will.
Maybe I can not recall my history so well. But I can not think of one time in history, when the Army was involved in civil matters and there was no civil rights violations. Can you?
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 am
look, here’s the deal, today a kenyan born indonesian citizen named a sitting senator, sec. of state, which is forbidden by the constitution. i’m betting the nazi media kept that bit of info from you. our constitution has been bitch slapped by our politicians for 60 years now and we the people have tolerated it, we only have ourselves to blame. if the supreme court does its job on the 5th, our military might have to take control of our country for awhile because the democratic party will be shown to be criminal in everyway possible, which they are. they control all of our gov. now. now, in 2011 our 10th planet will be getting real close to our sun and us, which will point out beautifully that a lot of people are going to die, meaning much kaos, lol, will be coming from the the ignorant of the population. they will have to be put down! a lot has been set in motion that can’t all be said in a comment but, please don’t try to intellectualize the constitution, posse comitus or whatever because not one american stepped up to the plate before the shit hit the fan! i’ll keep writing my congressman and all criminal politicians demanding their loyalty to our constitution but, i’m not holding my breath. i’m armed and ready for what my way comes. i’ll be watching the idiots in the streets before my country’s troops.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:27 am
Goodbye Posse Comitatus.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 am
What do we need to do you ask? Stick together is the answer!!!
“SNOWFLAKES ARE NATURE’S MOST FRAGILE THINGS, BUT LOOK AT WHAT THEY CAN DO WHEN THEY STICK TOGETHER.”
the power of numbers. take a hint…
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:24 am
Like I have been saying, when we have society corrosion due to immigrant influx, excessive importing from China (destroys economy) not to mention many other things, and we have to stand up for ourselves in order to survive, who is the law going to protect, us or them ?
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:29 am
A huh….yuk…a huh
What is ya’all makin a fuss abut Potty Comin’ atus or what..ever you there said.
Fetch me a brewskie and shut the hell up…the game is on
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 am
oh calm down you neophytes!!!
With one stoke of the pen…!
At least I hope…
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 am
143 Ralph – Unless you are a MILITARY Security Officer your status as a Security Offiocer will not be a loophole. They will have orders to confiscate any firearm, not deemed necessary by a description drafted for them to use, and probably take you in for the third degree.
As far as those relying on the Constitution. That is supended upon Declaration of Martial law. Note: Martial law may not be declared nationwide, but only in certain areas>Those areas will be shown on the media depending on how the situtuation is progressing. Civilian forces prevailing, no news broadcasts…. Military prevailing, maximum media broadcast.
Firearms/Ammo – As mention previously.. You will have to resort of “recovery methods” from the casualties. Yours and theirs. Additoionaly, if you are a legal gun owner who purchased your firearm through proper channels and did the “paperwork” .. You firearm is on a Federal Recod in a data bank, They never said it was “registered” but they never said they couldn’t access the record either. If you still own the firearm they will come looking for it if told to do so. An example of that occured in Oklahoma City see: Google “Oklahoma Gun registered murder”
http://www.newswithviews.com/Pratt/larry90.htm
This will not be like some movie, a 9-5 job, a day of entertainment like the First Battle at Bull Run, and you will have to accept the facts your family will have to be left to fend for themselves. You may have a food/water stash..but if it is in your home and easily found iyt can be confiscated and you can’t be running off with 150 lbs of food on your back plus other things. A pound of weight will seem like 10 pounds in about 3 miles.
If it ever comes to this you will be swarmed in the cities and the rural areas will be left for last.
The military will follow orders…
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 am
THAT IS NOT WHAT THE WASHINGTON POST REPORTED.
IT IS FOR 20,000 TROOPS IN AFGHANISTAN–NOT IN THE UNITED STATES. READ BEFORE YOU POST!
SEE:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....ml?sub=new
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 am
So you’re showing a video from 2000 and are talking about something that supposedly will not be complete until 2011.
And the argument goes that it’ll be to control the masses during a full economic collapse?
If so, wouldn’t your theory only work if this means the economic collapse won’t happen until 2011?
You really are the master of spin.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:12 am
If it gets house to house type bad.Free men will have to man up and take the fight to them.Can’t sit back and let them punch the clock on a eight hour war.We have to take from them.The enemy is flesh.They sleep,eat and live….somewhere.To defend against a marshall law type enviroment designed to subdue and control the people the words of General George Patton ring true….”fortifications are monuments to the stupidity of man”.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:47 am
@Casual Observer:
LMAO. No I’m not military. However I have a high-ranking supervisor, new to the company, who is ex-army (and STILL has connections) and just came fresh out of Iraq, has been in other parts of the world, and has taken major control over our company. So what does that tell you right there? It could it be possible that the company I work for will be contracted out to the government and/or the military in the event of a major crisis. I just want to be prepared for it.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 am
153 JOHN ARNO _ Your comment and link is to a NOV 22 story about 20,000 troops in Afghan. You have a diiferent story that this. If you had clicked on the “reports the post” bold area you would have linked to the story printed on Dec 01(today)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews
And you would have read this opening paragraph.
“The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials. “ENgage brain before opening mouth or typing answers that could be wrong for the question.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:54 am
To 153 JOHN ARNO _ Your comment and link is to a NOV 22 story about 20,000 troops in Afghan. You have a diiferent story that this. If you had clicked on the “reports the post” bold area you would have linked to the story printed on Dec 01(today)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....id=topnews
And you would have read this opening paragraph.
“The U.S. military expects to have 20,000 uniformed troops inside the United States by 2011 trained to help state and local officials respond to a nuclear terrorist attack or other domestic catastrophe, according to Pentagon officials. “ENgage brain before opening mouth or typing answers that could be wrong for the question. They put the bold lettered hyoperlink in so that you can validate the authors resources.
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:59 am
Greets; Is there somewhere where I can surrender early, i.e., turn myself in, before there is a big rush? I’d like to take advantage of securing the best bunk, or wall chains, maybe a blanket! Are there surrender documents available on-line, from the White House, local cop shop?
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:06 am
Bottom line is that the Guard for each state was created for this kind of thing and NOT the Federal Forces! The forefathers wrote it this way to keep a balance of power even in times of emergency between all the state governers and their forces vs a military coupe, or dictatorship begun by a President and his federal troops. The forefathers saw it to be a good thing during the reveolutionary war to have both state militias, and federal troops, and from their real life experience during domestic war, they wrote, and revised these laws according to the reality on the ground here in the United States. Any clown that comes into power who thinks he knows more than our forefathers who lived such a reality is a “false prophet”, and has an evil agenda involving the robbing of the American People their given rights handed down by their ancestors who created this country from its birth. I’d like to know why it’s always discussed as some kind of inevetibility that we will be attacked on such a scale here in the U.S.? Where were these characters with these ideas during the cold war when we had massive nukes pointed at us and a hair trigger? The difference was that our leadership then respected the Constitiution and the freedom, and the will of the people over all else.
Now we get a few crackpot terrorists running around who grew up on World Food Program Food rather than a professional Soviet Army, and now all the sudden we are all supposed to tremble in our shoes at every utterence from Homeland Security?
Maybe, Homeland Security should be keeping these terrorists out of our country to begin with first before assembling their federal armies, and our domestic occupation forces to fight the boogy men they let slip through as motivation to force this FEDERAL militarization on us?
IF WE ARE ATTACKED IN THIS COUNTRY TO SUCH A SCALE THAT OUR FEDERAL TROOPS MUST ENFORCE LAW HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, THEN SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG BECAUSE LOGIC SHOULD DICTATE THAT OUR FEDERAL TROOPS IN SUCH CONDITIONS SHOULD BE TOO BUSY BEING DEPLOYED TO COMBAT THAT ENEMY OUTSIDE OUR BORDERS WHICH MADE THE ATTACK RATHER THAN THEIR OWN COUNTRYMEN HERE IN THE US!
No thanks for any prospective, or future Hitlers of the United States to provide overwhelming federal forces here on us in the U.S.!
We’ll take care of our homeland with our National Guard under each state’s command, and our civil services like it’s always been and was written to be!
The ONLY F..in reason federal troops should be deployed around this country is if the enemy has landed hardware on our coasts and is actively fighting on our soil, and not a couple college punk terrorist here on their student visas!
That’s not enough!
Plus, they shouldn’t have been here in the first place going to college learning how to be better engineers, bomb makers, or killers!
Maybe such federal troops will backfire and arrest the criminal who’s idea it was to violate the Constitution and its protections in the first place!
Of course it’s pretty convenient when the Federal Govt. takes all our states National Guard troops away from the state governers, so that we can’t say we’ll rely on our own state troops!
Since, they’ve already pulled this for the Iraq and Afganistan Wars, that is very troubling. Don’t know if it’s law or not, but the state goveners should have the right to pull their troops from federal service at anytime if neede back here in the states even if it is to protect the citizens from an abusive federal government trying to take their rights away, and trample the Constitution to make way for their new vision of how they think their new country should be!
Don’t know how it works, but a President should not be able to just commendeer state troops at his whim! That is what his active forces are for and not the state militias!
If he needs a larger foreign presence or more federal troops then I’d guess he’d have to get permission from Congress (The People) to institute a draft, but this new crap of taking our domestic state troops away from us and sending them off to foreign lands while they put federal troops on the ground back here at home is totally upside down, in reverse, and opposite of what it is supposed to be!!!!!!
Send his opposition away, remove the governer’s powers by doing so, thereby removing the people’s direct state troops only to replace them with federal troops under his command!
Something would be very wrong with that picture if we ever see it materialize.
Now if a state governer asks the President for help and for additional troops that would be federal under the president’s command than FINE, that is preferred and also THE LAW as it is written!
We heard that excuse used by the current president himself during the Orleans crisis. He was criticized for not reacting or sending federal troops, but his explination at that time was that BY LAW, the governer of that state has to ask for the feds, and the feds can not just shown up and take over!
So if we see something different than this take shape, let’s be be very concerned, because once those federal troops are in place, we could be at the mercy of a dictator, and then even the governers could not save us, or put up a fight against someone who has hijacked our rights and our federal government from the people.
We could be done at that point. If we find ourselves in any type of camps without our consent of for our own safety through free will, then we are finished as a free nation. It will be the end, and only a Civil War victory would be able to restore it, and that would require our state militias (guard), as well as federal defectors, federal Generals to come to the side of the people and of the states agianst the feds.
Rather than the North (Union – Federal) against the Southern States (Confederates), it would be a new civil war of all the states against the Federals, or even a bulk of states against feds and some states sided with the new dictatorship!
What a mess it would be! Two countries could even evolve from it.
Let’s hope that our leadership, and our military leaders are a bit smarter than all this, and prevent any such foolishness to ever occur.
Unfortunately, the Pentagon seems to be their own little country within our country, and they seem to be running the show, or are they? Do they take their orders from the President, Congress, or both?
Who is giving the Pentagon such ideas?
Who is giving the Pentagon any such authority to be constructing such a federal force to be deployed here in the U.S.?
Whoever they are, they need to be sacked!
If Obama’s vision of a new “brownshirt” national force is deploying federal troops, he is the evil one then. If he proposed an all civilian force, then at least he proposed such an idea with some respect for the “CP Law”, and knows he can’t legally deploy fed troops so he came up with that alternative. In that case, I guess it was much better of an idea than this latest talk of breaking laws to deploy feds!
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:35 am
Can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em1 I plan on joining the Church of Scientology and getting my OT 3 before the shit goes down, that way I’ll be a low ranking officer at least, and my top commander might be Tom Cruise.
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:42 am
I’ll make do somehow! I’ll get a job at Bohemian Grove next to Alex Jones serving fruit punch in little owl cups while in cognito. That way we can spy on these bastards! Only thing is though ,I’m selling my info to the highest bidding ET, and I green is green! Whether it’s money from a Grey, or Reptilian. It’s money, right? Hold on …….. hold ………. I’m listening to George Noory and Alex Jones on Coast to Coast!
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:53 am
We must chop off the head of the beast .
We must destroy the rockerfellers and rothschilds , this will send a clear signal , that we are not to be messed with.
It would only take 5 or 6 well aimed bullets , to make them think twice.
This is the most direct and economical method to stave off this coming evil.
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:25 am
If this is attempted on me and I can get to my weapon I will kill as many as I can before I die!
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:26 am
Be still and know that I am God Psalm 46:10.
God tells us he will never put more on us than we can handle. I think He will guard the faithful and take us before this world falls to those who are not with Him. But I do agree with alot of you this is an event designed to cause a one world govt., just as His book tells us. But I have to add on thing. If a world govt. is created and we are all together then what can we be afraid of to keep us all together? As history has taught us fear and a common cause can bring us together but its fear that a population in check. First it was fear of Hitler while the world was giving him Europe on a platter. Then it was communism and the wars that followed. Now its terrorism, from people that were trained by the super powers. Next fear from above. If you get the chance read Galatic Medal of Honor. Its fiction but it is a story of how the world became under the power of one govt. because of a simple misunderstanding. Its a bit far fetched when I read it years ago but now I don’t think its so far fetched. Just think a bit of TV news coverage, a few bomb blasts, missing people and alot of movie special effects and you willl have your world gripped in fear. But through it all no matter what happens remember Psalms 46:10.
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:27 am
Why has the militias not been called out in that area? Are they just chicken shit?
You do not have to get too close to them to start picking them off. If they breach their oath I will kill them If I get a chance.
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:34 am
There is way too many of us for them to trample. When it gets started, kill them and take all their stuff. I have already accepted the fact I may die but I will take as many as I can with me.
I took the oath and I will honor it! If you are a treasonous bastard be very scared because we do have plans to not just to stop you but we will take no prisoners!
All it takes is a short period of bravery to secure the future of millions, I am able and willing to show this bravery!
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:36 am
Do you patriots notice how they are spread out unless going into a house? That is what you need to do, spread out and hit them from all angles, they will shit their pants.
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:51 am
We’re waiting for you NWO scum .
The very minute you start using the military on citizens is the the very minute you sign your death warrants.
You underestimate us at your peril .
Bring it on filth , we’re waiting for you .
Kapish !
December 2nd, 2008 at 4:51 am
I have only recently become privy to the reality of the NWO. If this multidimensional effort to take control of our country and our freedom, comes to fruition ( at this point, we would all be naive to think it wouldnt). Then logic tells me that the aforementioned responses would be illogical, fruitless, and above all else, futile. This is just my opinion. I will never judge anyone else for theirs, nor will i try to influence them to think otherwise.
That being said, i think its noteworthy to mention that if any of you believe in a higher power, then you must believe in and existence beyond the material. I for one have gotten away from my faith, ive tried to disprove it with logic, even demonize it as conspiracy to control the masses, as have many others. But i think its time to embrace it………….
I think its more evident now than ever, with more prof for fruition, of an older, less conspicuous plan. GODS plan. I feel now, as though the worldly things that consume our lives, and drive us to anger, and pain. Have less and less value with every passing breath.
The meaning of life is simple. Prepare for “reality”. When i say reality, i mean eternity. Prepare your soul for the end game. Even if you die a patriots death, it wont matter if you spend eternity somewhere other than Heaven. Prepare your family, prepare your friends. Make sure they know whats important.
As i sit here allowing myself to be devoured by fear of the coming events. An infomercial for the H2O sweeper plays in the background on directv. I just cant help but realize how pitiful ive become. How out of touch ive allowed myself to be.
Im going to dig out my NIV, refresh my soul with the life that Jesus led. I seem to find some comfort in that. After all, he made as big a sacrifice as any patriot. Hes the ultimate patriot in my opinion. I think if im going to take a course in this mess. Its going to be one of faith.
Im sorry to have gotten off the subject. But i think many of you, like me, may have forgotten what REALLY matters. Ill be praying for all of us, please do the same……………
December 2nd, 2008 at 6:14 am
I am a Christian but this message is for those other Christians who think they can just accept what the NWO has in store for you. Trust me, you have no idea what is in store for you and you are just fooling yourself if you think you are willing to suffer untold assaults and then die without doing anything to stop it. Just ask the jews in WW2 that voluntarily did what they were asked to do with no major resistance if they would do it differently now? Hindsight is 20/20
The strong Christians will pick up their “Liberty teeth” ” If you give up the tools to ensure liberty you are truly ruined”
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:14 am
I am truly afraid. As much as I would like to be able to say that I will fight when they come to my door I do not know if I can …I do not have any training and I may have shot a gun twice in my life and as I recall I did that badly. I do not have any family who want to band together against this because they all say it is God’s will and that they will be rescued by being raptured and other people I speak to just think I am crazy. My kids are almost 19 and 20 years old and I am afraid that I wil have a hard time being with them if we are taking by surprise. I am mostly alone here out in the country (but the city is closing in on me) My husband is training to become a police officer and I am also afraid that his mentality towards the human race is changing. I asked him to teach me about our guns and show me how to load and shoot them but as of yet he has not made the time (I might shoot myself accidentily without training of some kind)
Hopefully because we supposedly own our property we will be left alone for awhile and the one productive thing I have been able to do is start my own vegetable garden. I have been wanting to raise chickens but so far no luck talking my husband into it.
Oh yeah and I found out that the seeds that I purchased are genetically engineered to not produce again after the first crop so now I have to start all over again on that front.
I do not want to give up but it seems that I am having more luck waking up strangers on the internet than I am in waking up the people closest to me.
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:19 am
The criminal zionists in the zionism filthy and homosexsual states in europe are to benefits from the martial law in USA and thats because they will sell weapons and other death equipments, the homosexsual filthy will sell mercenarries, the death merchants will the benefit the most from any disaster in this world.
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:45 am
A quote from a book by a former CIA agent…”the american people have been spoonfed deception for so long , they cannot tell the difference between the truth and the bullshit.”
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:47 am
this makes me sick
the government must fall
everyone needs to stock up on food and ak’s the 2nd revolutin is a bout to start
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:57 am
#175
I agree with you, however I see this attitude (Even though I am guilty of having it) as demeaning and brings us to a more primitive way of life, trying to stockpile weaponry and food in hopes that one day we may get the opportunity to use it. Let me reitarate that I do indeed agree with you, however I feel that we should be searching for political answers as well. Even if that means waiting another 4 (8?) years.
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:26 am
If only proper reading skills could be taught…
Non-violence includes damage or destruction of inanimate objects. This is a far cry from firefights and people’s heads being blown off!
Roughlyt 90% of the posts on this issue are from people who claim to be ready to fight. Well then, what are you waiting for? Take the initiative. Organize small bands of rebels and engage in “hit-and-run” tactics. Camp out in the forests, hide in the mountains, learn survival training. Your going to need it. Most of of you, I suspect, are pudgy, tv-watching, junk-food eating, beer-drinking slobs whose idea of resistance and “toughening it out” goes no farther than your couch and remote control.
And if you brave patriots are crouching behind a propped up mattress, sweaty palms clutching your .308 or 501 or 734 or whatever, waiting for that lone cop or soldier to pick off, you will be waiting a long, long time. The NWO will not enforce its tyranny by patrolling residential streets, there is little of strategic value in that. Troops will be stationed at key instrallations: train stations, bus terminals, major road and rail links, access routes to and from cities, power stations, food depots, water resevoirs, communication centers and host of other far more impoirtant areas than “main street USA”. Only if you are stupid enough to engage in open combat will they mass in strength for a counter-attack. If you don’t know even the basics of military strategy how can you hope to win your “glorious” armed struggle? That is why I say, for the upteenth time, engage in non-violent acts that slow down or stop this infrastructure on which the NWO military machine is dependent on. Ripping up telephone lines and tearing down transformers is not the same as shooting at armed agents.
For those of you who misinterpreted historical events such as Afghan resistance to the Soviets or Vietnamese resistance to Americans as “proof” guerilla warfare works, let me remind you that these forces were far from ad-hoc elements. The Afghan resistance was financed and supplied by the CIA and was well organized and led. The NVA (North Vietnamese Army), was financed by the Soviet Union and China and was also well-organized and led.
I find it hard to believe that any of you find credible the idea of a disorganized, fragmented, poorly-equipped, poorly-trained and probably poorly-led (if at all), civilian resistance could sustain a long-term strategic plan of attack against the combined forces of the enemy which controls the land, air and sea. Grow up people!
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:30 am
I am very interested in reading the original article but can’t find it, looks like you have to log in to the Washington Post to be able to read articles. Does anyone have a link to it that works?
Thanks in advance.
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:46 am
Why is god mentioned in lots of these comments? What does gawd have to do with this anyway? Religon is just another tool of the elite and you people throw the word god around like your faking enlightenment. Just let those troops try to smoke out some hillbillys and good ole boys like here in Austin. 20,000 troops or 200,000 troops, once the shit hits the fan, 99% of the troops will drop their rilfes and join us anyway. I’m not playing down the seriousness of this situation, but I give the average american more credit than most of you do. Great job Alex on Coast to Coast, as allways
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:25 am
Ha, HA, Fucking HA…
You American tools are soooo funny. The truth sits alone in a room, and still you cannot see. You people are too dumb to form effective resistance, with the exception of the few who saw this comming. Those on the Obama Kool-Aid are about to realize its wearing off, and he is just as he seems. A perfect tool of the NWO that further prevents the races from uniting, as he will use his color to continue the divide. Take race,religion, and political affiliation out of the picture and you would be able to see the bigger picture. Half of American keeps buying the God’s will argument, while the other half keeps putting their faith in big government, while thinking its Gods will. God gave us the ability to discern the real truths from the big lies, and you people keep putting faith in those who would do you harm(government). Its a pitty that you have no faith in your own abilities to resolve this mess. Well most of you anyway, as I have met some who can see things for what they are, and are preparing for the obvious, but we are the kooks. I got a bit of enlightenment for you religious nutters-God will not be the one cleaning up this mess, as he gave us the tools to do so, and fully expects us to do this. You keep waiting as your GOD comes for you..He is the god of Greed-Oil-Death, and your worship of such things will be your demise.
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:43 am
Texasace:I agree with you about religion. I’m not so sure about the rest of your comment. I will be killed by my “government” if this happens. I don’t think many of the rest will have the stones to do what they will need to do. Look at how far everyone has let this go. Will America reaaly stand up for herself? God I hope so!
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:50 am
Americans need to wake up and open there eyes . America will be a third world country before we know it
December 2nd, 2008 at 9:52 am
All I have to say is if American or any other troops try to drag me out of my house like Hitler did I’m blowing their F@#$ing heads off. I would rather die then starve to death or be tortured and killed in a Fema camp. I love America but the troops who represent this country had better wake up and realize they are being paid and brainwashed by communists and greedy corporations. All it takes for people to wake up is a little suffering wealther physical or mental. They will not win.
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:07 am
the elite want us to destroy ourselves. these troops are from our communities trained to think their own family and friends are dumb and need to be put in their place. reach out to them change the though pattern.
http://www.aniboom.com/video/2.....ll-speech/
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:08 am
the elite want us to destroy ourselves. these troops are from our communities trained to think their own family and friends are dumb and need to be put in their place. reach out to them change the thought pattern.
http://www.aniboom.com/video/2.....ll-speech/
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:12 am
Most Americans today have no idea what is really going on in this country. They are to rapped up in there own lives and there own petty little problems. Most of the rich and upper middle class people in this country are ignorant to the fact that more than likely in the next few years they wont have the money or the material things that they have now. they wont have any idea how to survive or take care of there families when everything comes crashing down around them.I feel really bad for them.
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 am
I agree with you Hale
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:27 am
There are 80 million gun owners in the US,if only 5% resisted,that 4 million would outnumber all the police,army,marines,natl. guard,FBI,ATF combined,THEY COULD NOT SUPRESS A REVOLT BY ONLY 5% OF US!,IMAGINE IF 10% RESISTED…
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:10 am
The civilians are wearing MILES Gear which is used in training excercises. It is basically laser tag for lack of a better description which also means that the military units are using blanks instead of bullets. These exercises are common in the military and is to prepare troops for overseas urban warfare. Anyone who has been in the military would immediately have recognized this for what it really is. A training exercise. Also, if this was a real, the Military would never have allowed you to film this. I know, I was in the Army and Army Reserve for 8 years. The guy being forcefully detained by the Police ( also in MILES Gear) is also wearing MILES Gear and you can see it at the beginning of the altercation. When he asked for the camerman to come over, he is “mocking” you!! It is to add realism. The majority of the “fake civilians” in the exercise are also wearing MILES Gear as they are really soldiers and volunteers involved as part of the exercise. When we did the exercises we were told to resist and cause as much choas as possible to add realism. I’ve been on both sides, and yes, physical force as far as when you are being restrained physically is real. That guy will probably be quite sore the next day. The interrogation is also practiced. And yes on several of our exercises foreign troops who are here for training are also used. Sorry, but it is the truth. I do enjoy your show Alex I listen to it here in Austin!!
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Eric, Fear not. Fear is not an ally. If you prepare than there is no need to fear. All this has happened before, on a lesser scale, and all has pretty much been predicted. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:35 am
thank you
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:27 pm
My first post was a little misleading, i have my m4, my walther, my jc higgins, and a host of other small arms at my disposal. I dont have any intentions of sitting down in front of an army base, with a sign that reads “PLEASE DONT TAKE MY LIFE AND LIBERTY, I KNOW YOU WONT BECAUSE IM ASKING NICELY”. But as i mentioned earlier, god will be my guide.
Im still in the early stages of educating myself on the best course of action for the coming events. I personally feel as though “big brother” has spent the last 60 years perfecting a “reaction” for the aforementioned methods. I pray there is a scenario that the government hasnt planed for yet. If so i hope we all find it.
Dont be fooled into believing that the people who dont stand up and fight, will somehow just disappear. When the sheep come sick, diseased, and starving, are you going to turn them away? If you dont, your stock piles will be depleted almost instantly. Will you be willing to kill those unarmed people? Because if they come, they wont take no for an answer.
Im sorry to say, but i dont believe there to be one single place to really “hide” in this country. And i dont believe the above revolutions have been fully thought out. And if you tell me you will slaughter starving women and children to maintain your survival? Then you dont qualify for the discussion.
Sorry if i offended anyone.
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pm
To #165 “OneofGodsAmericans”…..(Talk is cheap, as long as it’s not your hide on fire) Your are in the comfort zone and in denial of the world around you. Look back at history and ask yourself, why didn’t God save all those people that suffered so much and died on 911 or during Stalins slaughter of 60 million people or any other historical masacre. Many a faithfull Chistian died horrible deaths. Not once did God come down and hit somebody over the head with a ball bat. By the time somebody like Hitler gets done with you, you won’t even believe in God anymore.
Christ would be ashamed of you. You could’nt even stop Madlyn Murry O’Haire
Quit playing church. Wake up, People’s actions make the difference.
December 2nd, 2008 at 1:02 pm
2+2=4
Please educate yourself before attacking someone, your response was misguided, and ill informed. You talk about God, and what God doesnt do and quite frankly your ignorant on the subject. You have either not read the bible, or just dont remember what you read. And im sorry but your the one who is in denial. Unable to recognize whats real and what matters. From whats not and what doesnt.
Please do not try to understand this post, it will only lead you in the opposite direction of where i would like to have taken you. i just needed to vent.
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
PLEASE PROTEST!
It will be much harder to protest, when military people will patrol your street!!!
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
Reply:
To # 184 “revolutionIScoming”:
If you had bothered to read all my posts on this issue your would have noticed I did mention the American Revolution, quote: “…the reason the first one (revolution), succeeded was because the technology to quickly and brutally suppress it was not there…”
As for your other examples lets look at them:
“the Jews in Warsaw” :
they were systematically and totally defeated. Read William Shirer’s comprehensive book, “The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich”, in which an entire chapter is devoted to the Warsaw Ghetto uprising and its disastorous outcome.
“Stalingrad”:
you really should improve your knowledge of history. The Battle of Stalingrad was fought between two massive armies both of whom were well-equipped, well-led and well-organized. It was one of the most, if not the most, bloody and destructive battles ever fought. The civilian population was virtually non-existent. Those that weren’t evacuated beforehand had been killed prior to the end of the battle. No civilian resistance worth mentioning had any effect on its’ outcome.
“The Chechens”:
a fight for independence that began in 1992 has left that region devastated and a peace agreement signed in 2005 (13 years later), gave virtually unlimited access to the Russians to exploit the oil resources. The Chechen military, while scoring some successes, ultimately realized the futility of engaging in a never-ending war with Russia. Civilian resistance was negligible.
Finally, as to your stirring committment to “…die on my feet…then live on my knees…” I suspect you have watched to many Spartacus or Ben-Hur movies. Dying, my friend, is not an act of courage particularly if it is a wasted death. Your sacrifice (if you are sincere), will serve no useful purpose and will not defeat the NWO. In fact, the more that uselessly die fighting for an ideal that means nothing to these scum rather than those that live to engage in non-violent resistance, the easier their ability to maintain control will be.
Use your anger in ways that they don’t expect. Frustrate their plans by not following some outdated concept of courage. Don’t die thinking that was all you could do. Your life means a lot more to you than it does to them. Attack their infrastructure with stealth and surprise. Don’t make yourself an obvious target. Avoid killing, they’ll only label you a terrorist. There are many forms of courage that don’t require guns, blood and death.
December 2nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
We must hide our guns or at least a few where none will find them. Within 2 yrs they are gonna start taking them! I just left the N.Guard and KNOW this! Dont think it will not happen to you! Only a fool thinks that way.
Fighting a ghost war will work; strike from the shadows. Sabotage, jamming comms. spying etc.
Guns make noise unless SUPPRESSED. Learn how to quiet ur guns. Stealth is the answer.
I learned this from people who fought wars around the world, they know war and that unconventional wars can work against a big army. Study Vietnam!!
December 2nd, 2008 at 7:18 pm
If it becomes necessary to use force to escape the Woe coming upon the usa, then do so. The problem will be incoming ICBMs from china and russia. The usa is mystery babylon of the last days…prophesied to be destroyed in one literal hour of a appointed day…the stench of her sins has reached heaven, only the lovingkindness of the MOST HIGH ELOHIYM has delayed the judgment upon the whole land so far…those who escape, will set their faces towards Zion…The usa is NOT a Godly nation…those who call themselves by the name of YAHUSHUA seek a heavenly kingdom…that will proceed forth from Yerushalayim…patriotism for the usa is NOT a virtue. http://www.zionswatchmen.com
December 2nd, 2008 at 8:27 pm
My post didn’t make it last time; Why?
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:10 pm
I am a 77 year old Korean Vet and thie manuever to confiscate our weapons will definitely result in an all out war in our own country.. This IS AMERICA and WE will NOT TOLERATE THESE GESTAPO TACTICS.
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
I’ve worked side by side with many people who have some kind of history with the military. Some have served in Korea, others have spent time in Iraq and Afganistan. Some of these people are in my own family. But one thing they all have in common is a growing disgust for what our military is becomming. A number of people I work with have left the army after doing their four years and serving in Iraq. Some of the stories I’ve been told are shocking and down right disturbing. They also share a belief that someday the government and the military might try something in the near future to turn this country into a totalitarian state. They’ve all shared with me that they don’t have any problem with using their military training against the U.S. armed forces.
I am worried about the path this country is taking. But I think the many soldiers in todays military, if the order is given to deploy throughout the country to deal with “civil unrest”, should be more worried about the former U.S. army munitions expert I’ll be standing next to when we decide ENOUGH.
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 pm
Its time for a war to take back control of this country!
December 2nd, 2008 at 11:55 pm
In regards to seizing our guns. Ahhh, they don’t have to pull them from us they will just use high tech weaponry we have no way to counter to do the bidding for them just like they did to many soldiers in the Iraqi war who came out of their fox holes with the hands up and surrendered their guns. Plus, they can use other high tech weaponry to knock out communications and organization efforts from our unorganized average citizens. They have all the best toys that the average gun owner is equivalent to having a cap gun in there hands. that’s the power of centralization and mass organization. it’s going to be like they are daring the domestic citizen hell raiser to even try to do anything to give them an excuse to continue to manipulate and clamp down more and more on us seizing total control eventually.
December 3rd, 2008 at 7:33 am
Since the ballot box did not produce the changes needed to save the country, maybe it is time to reach for the pitchforks.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:19 am
To CW Hale,
You must be from Hale’s navy. I suggest you stucy the history of Hitler and the Holocaust to understand the results of “non-violent” resistance. To those who think the American Militia (armed citizens fed up with suppression of liberty) can be easily defeated; study the guerilla warfare waged in numerous regions around the country. It seems to be quite effective. I agree if we all stay in our own homes, they’ll take us down individually. Therefore we must organize NOW. I, for one, would rather die honorably resisting Tyranny than live the remainder of my life in submission. I would also like to thank our once great and FREE country for the training they provided during my decade in the US Army. I promise to employ it fulfilling the oath of office the US Govt required me to take on at least 4 occassions, “I will faithfully protect and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies foreign AND DOMESTIC.” I’ve lived a good life, the best of it is behind me, therefore I’m happy to forfeit the remainder of it in the interest of INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY. As one of our founding fathers stated around the beginning of the American Revolution, “GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!”.
December 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
oops, that should’ve been “… in numerous regions around the WORLD.” Since I’m back on anyway, I’d just like to say that I strongly believe there will be a significant number of our military people who will desert the Military and join the resistance against the NWO (or whatever you want to call it). It’s their country too and they were required to take the same oath I mentioned in my earlier post. Additionally, the largest majority of them love this country (as it was originally intended) just as much as we do. With the message that is being sent since the election by guns and ammo flying off shelves around the country, I don’t think the government is going to want to step too harshly. They fear the armed citizenry just like the Japanese did in WWII when they decided NOT to invade the homeland. To those Government Tyrants who think “we the people” can’t wage an effective insurgency against the “authorities” (strictly avoiding civilian [non-combatant] casualties) our precision varmint rifles (not to mention the millions of semi-auto firearms in the hands of Americans, many of whom have been trained by our most excellent military and many of whom have actual combat experience) then, I say, come and get some. Push us and we WILL push back. I’d suggest we first go after the Congress and Executive Branch Tyrants and their familie’s first.
December 3rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
I can almost here the screams and gunfire now. Sir Evelyn: Do you still hear the little lambs screaming in the dark?
December 3rd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
To strike fear in the hearts of the people, is to control them as wild animals. As we cling to the creature comforts that we convince ourselves that we are entitled to, and foster the false sense of security that we like to believe comes from our superior intellect and military, now comes the reality check. Who can fully believe that freedoms are something that can’t be taken, or that these freedoms, that we have enjoyed thanks to the brave men who fought and gave it all, don’t have enemies that would gain greatly from exploiting them. I have been awaiting for the events to unfold as foretold in the bible. To know the peace that passes all uncertainty, is to know that JESUS CHRIST is the ONE and ONLY son of GOD, and by responding to his word in the realization that it is accurate of all of us and accepting his offer for our falleness we can be at peace through all of these events….GOD BLESS AMERICA
December 4th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Gee, I don’t know…I guess having US troops on the ground in the US during an epidemic, dirty bomb attack etc, would be a good thing after the failed response to Katrina. Actually I hope they are around if something happens and it leads to riots and chaos because I would want someone to protect me from rabid info warriors trying to break into my house to steal my last loaf of bread and a bag of Cheetos.
December 6th, 2008 at 12:43 am
We all hope and pray it will never come to another bloody internal revolution in the United States, but if it does…
The only questions are:
1. Are you TRULY prepared to fight and DIE (possibly very painfully) for liberty against these new American red coats of the 21st century, as the founding fathers were (and did) against the English red coats in the 18th century? Your enemy is prepared to die, at almost any cost and in very large numbers in order to win. 20,000 battle tested 3rd Army troops on American soil indicates that.
2. Are you prepared to see members of your family and friends kidnapped and beaten, tortured and imprisoned, used as leverage to force you to surrender, and even murdered in brutal ways? If you are among those who rise up in rebellion against the Washington/military regime, they will resort to all these methods to attempt to hurt or demoralize you — never doubt it! Your enemy is utterly ruthless! Are you?
3. Are you prepared to see everything you own, (except perhaps your rifle and what you can carry on your person) taken from you when you begin to resist? They’ll surely do that much to you once you are marked as a resistance/freedom fighter in an armed revolt against them.
4. Are you prepared to kill law enforcement officers and U.S. soldiers en masse without mercy, (extract an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth)? Are you prepared to plan out the tactical assassination of some political official or law enforcement officer or some U.S. soldier and then cold-bloodedly follow through? Could you sacrifice your life, if you knew you could get to, and kill a key leader in the enemy camp?
These are the only real questions, and here are at least three groups in which most people will find themselves. Which are you?
Group 1. Some really are ready to make the ultimate sacrifice for the cause of liberty. Barring a gradual and effective political change back to true constitutional rights, a large Group 1 is the only hope for liberty, and a return to constitution government in the U.S.
Group 2. Some are only kidding themselves, and will run like rabbits or submit at the first sign of trouble or confrontation. God forbid you should have any of these cowards in your ranks, they can do tremendous damage to a solid Group 1 before they are weeded out.
Group 3. This is the majority. At this time they are not ready to do much but comply with the authorities no matter what crimes and offenses the people are forced to suffer. The majority are cowards and will remain so.
Remember: In Group 2. and 3. are what the conniving politicians, the military and the police are counting you to be. But, if a large enough number do harden into Group 1 types, then the politicians, the military and the police will be helpless, and fear will sweep though their ranks (which is what should happen to them when they attempt to brutalize or to enslave the people).
Barring a real political change (Ron Paul or someone like him gets power and uses it to properly restore constitutional limitations on government, and thereby liberty to the people)… well, we all are hoping for that.
But barring that, only a very large Group 1 would be able to take back our lawful and constitutional rights, and thereby bring freedom back to our land again.
December 6th, 2008 at 9:40 am
I wasn’t going to write a comment but this one had me rolling:
“Futant Says:
December 2nd, 2008 at 2:59 am
Greets; Is there somewhere where I can surrender early, i.e., turn myself in, before there is a big rush? I’d like to take advantage of securing the best bunk, or wall chains, maybe a blanket! Are there surrender documents available on-line, from the White House, local cop shop?”
What a great protest that would be; tens of thousands of people showing up in the streets wearing mock surrender paraphernalia; handcuffs, hoods and chains, ball and chain we request preferential treatment from the NWO for setting a good example – we acknowledge what’s happened and that America no longer exists. You win. Now I want my rice bowl and an upper cot.
That’s exactly the kind of bizarre protest that will get people’s attention.
December 6th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Normally, I tend to stand against all that the American Communist Liberties Union stands for. However, this could be something to keep an eye on.
December 8th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
I’M RETIRED MILITARY AND SWORN TO THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION NOT THE GREEDY FATCATS(FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC) AND WITH GOD ON OURSIDE WE WILL DEFEAT THIS TRANNY
December 9th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Has Alex Jones or anyone ever taken a poll of the military to see how they feel about the prospect of taking up arms against the American People? Would they follow orders to break up peaceful demonstrations? Would they use violence against demonstrations of civil disobedience? Would they participate in confiscating guns from law abiding citizens [AGAIN - remember Katrina]? Would they bust their grandparents heads for marching on Washington to demand restoration of Social Security? Has anyone asked where they would stand WHEN the government becomes an enemy of the Constitution?
December 10th, 2008 at 10:20 am
I believe all this is really happening! Infowar reported many years ago of our recession of the banking industry and the closing of the banks. Now it has come to be true!(No wonder politicians on C-Span are worried the facts might come to light too soon.) Isn’t it interesting we now have a black president? It has taken 250yrs to put in a black president? How about a woman,asian, hispanic? Something is lurking powerfully in the shadows beyond a presidency and now they don’t care who is president. I have already had a run in with govt. and IRS that they are implementing constraints towards some new goal, but are being very careful at not disclosing the details. We are at the begining of a really bad recession that will take many -MANY years to recover(its not going to recover, thanks bush!). Really pushing homelessness to new levels! I have traveled 3 states by car very recently and have noticed the build up of NEW military vehicles being delivered to posts on the west. They are gearing up for something in the very near future. I was staying in a really small town in the northwest and observed troops moving through town at 3:00am in the morning. Why at 3am? When most folks are asleep. Something is funny?
The other day I heard a special report on radio of a nuclear war in the next 5yrs. Baloney!!!! Unless the U.S. unleashes it! What happens when the economy collapses, your dollar is worth nothing, inflation is skyhigh, people have lost their houses, and are use to living by todays standards? MASS RIOTS AND GANGS!!! Time to move up to the hills, grab ammo, and live off the land and a small job until recovery OR dictatorship!
December 13th, 2008 at 10:34 am
CEBU CITY, Philippines – Cebu lawyers on Tuesday met with Governor Gwendolyn Garcia to appeal for “privileges” that would unburden them from the Capitol’s new pay parking policy, which was implemented last Monday. As constant
December 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
211, Nice comment asshole. People like you are what’s wrong with this country.
December 17th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Wish I had enough time to read all the responses. Interesting and thoughtful for the most part.
However, I enjoyed PainesQuest suggestion, and Old Ben Franklins’ fields the real and essential
nature of what may come. Of Old Ben Franklins’ questions I’d like to go to the issue of Treason.
The punishment for Treason is Death. A traitor is as a traitor does; show up at the door to steal
lawfully possesed guns, unlawful arrests, attack citizens. All are acts which show that any individual involved in those acts will have made a personal choice; They rationalized their decision as advantageous and logical for immediate gratification.
Nazi’s, NKVD, Gestapo, SKD, the SS, and countless other political, military and police have made those choices in the past. They worked because the individuals within those systems chose to comply with patently inhuman orders. Now then, to participate in these criminal activities also comes with the threat of retaliation and punishment at a future time. So, any individuals who may participate in a criminal attack on the people had better carefully consider being hunted in to their old age. We remember “Shindles List.” Never surrender, never give in, and look to what
the people in other countries have done when virtually none of them had weapons. They stormed the military bases, the police stations, the uniformed servants of the monsters and took their weapons. Question is, will the American People say enough at some point and do the same if it comes down to that? Lets put our faith in each other and look to our ancient classical roots in Greece today. Is Greece ,today. our own future? We must harden our minds to the idea that we may all have to do things which few could imagine ever happening in our beloved nation. At some point action and sacrifice will be required I am afraid. The people will prevail, they always have, and so many of us will doubtless join the ranks of the countless and nameless dead. Our sacrifice
will be remembered and recounted to untold furture generations as the second greatest genration.
So, what are you prepared to do? It really comes down that simple question doesn’t it.
Those on the other side are betting your going to go marching willing in to your own grave, well, are you?
February 25th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
The civilians are wearing MILES Gear which is used in training excercises. It is basically laser tag for lack of a better description which also means that the military units are using blanks instead of bullets. These exercises are common in the military and is to prepare troops for overseas urban warfare. Anyone who has been in the military would immediately have recognized this for what it really is. A training exercise. Also, if this was a real, the Military would never have allowed you to film this. I know, I was in the Army and Army Reserve for 8 years. The guy being forcefully detained by the Police ( also in MILES Gear) is also wearing MILES Gear and you can see it at the beginning of the altercation. When he asked for the camerman to come over, he is “mocking” you!! It is to add realism. The majority of the “fake civilians” in the exercise are also wearing MILES Gear as they are really soldiers and volunteers involved as part of the exercise. When we did the exercises we were told to resist and cause as much choas as possible to add realism. I’ve been on both sides, and yes, physical force as far as when you are being restrained physically is real. That guy will probably be quite sore the next day. The interrogation is also practiced. And yes on several of our exercises foreign troops who are here for training are also used. Sorry, but it is the truth. I do enjoy your show Alex I listen to it here in Austin!!