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We Are Change Vancouver Member Arrested at Colin Powell Event
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We Are Change
June 12, 2008
DJ Ball, Tosh Suo and other members of WeAreChange Vancouver were at an event featuring Colin Powell. As soon as they questioned Powell on DU (Delepted Uranium) and war crimes they were escorted out of the venue. As they were escorted out of the venue, they saw their camera man Michael Varcellona, who they hired to document the entire protest in handcuffs outside of the venue. This camera man was not in the venue and was the only one out of the 50 protestors arrested. All he was doing was filming the whole protest.
The police stated that he will be facing potential trespassing violations. This is ludicrous because he was filming on a public sidewalk and did nothing illegal. The Canadian police will not talk to us and we haven’t been informed of the charges that Varcellona will be facing. Also, he has yet to receive his one phone call.
Please call the Vancouver Police Department
(604) 717-3321
Secondary number (604) 717-3535
Disclaimer: Please be respectful and polite when you call the Vancouver Police Department. WeAreCHANGE does not condone violence or the threat of violence. Anyone doing so violates our code of conduct and mission statement, therefore does not represent or speak for WeAreCHANGE.
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June 13th, 2008 at 12:03 am
Thet’s why there needs to be double redundancy from here on out. A camera guy, a guy filming him, and a guy filming him. The other two need to be covert and cool, and they all need to be hooked up audio. Also a set of protocols needs to be set up for such an occurrence. We can’t have our brothers dissappearing into jail houses.
June 13th, 2008 at 12:07 am
I called from Australia and I was told that they where not allowed to reveal any information due to the ‘Privacy Act’ in Canada but was told to call the ‘Police Media Department’.
June 13th, 2008 at 12:19 am
One camera man again? If you search through my suggestions you need as many cameras as possible. They would not arrest the camera man with 20 other cameras there filming what happened. Now no one knows what happened. It is tough to get people to wake up to NWO but why it is hard to get wearechange to wake up to 20+ video cameras at every planned event does not make any sense. Cameras outside filiming the protestors cameras filming Colin Powell inside additional cameras filming anything they can.
June 13th, 2008 at 12:29 am
Welcome to the fascist NWO! This is how they roll!
June 13th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Mike in Austin “hit the nail on the head” and I couldn’t agree more!
June 13th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Well that definitely sounds bad. Tried calling the Vancouver Police number listed but only got stonewalling and the run around from the operator, citing ‘privacy’ and ‘confidentiality’ regulations. Could not find out the phone number of the main jail, and possibly there are other jails where an arrested person could be held.
The operator said that the arrested person (she wouldn’t even state his name or the circumstances of the arrest) would be given one phone call sometime between the time of his booking and his bail hearing.
Regarding Colin Powell’s speaking tour it is clearly meant to attract those who wish to parasitically attach onto the war profiteering bandwagon here in Canada. Obviously anyone with the audacity to actually ask him a question that may be even remotely embarassing (having to critically examine and answer for his own record) must be dealt with swiftly and severely…
June 13th, 2008 at 12:45 am
Sounds like they had to hire the one photographer they had, so to say they should have at least 20 seems a bit far fetched, although a worthy goal.
When you call the Police Department, maybe consider saying you are a reporter with such and such news service. This might scare them into worrying about negative publicity.
Who knows. Solidarity.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:08 am
We need to have a 100,000 V’s show up in costume to the Ron Paul Convention on 2 September.
100,000 people all in masks in the same town as the Republican Convention. That will throw all thier security crap for an absolute loop! It would blow thier damned mind! It would represent total defeat to them, without a shot fired.
There is no way that would not steal all the Media from the event.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:29 am
Yes indeed. We must train ouselves to be prepared at these events, with backup hidden cameras, and we need to wear wires…fight the feds with their own tyranny.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:31 am
I drive to Vancouver once a week, scarry as hell, I’ve watched Vacouver become a place where
all must fear the police. I’m not a criminal but it doesn’t matter, fear is still real. I don’t want to be tazed. When the poor are tazed for lack of a ticket on out skytrain no one is safe. God help you if you don’t speak english. It just shouldn’t be like this. An inocent person should not fear those sworn to protect and serve. Please police officers everywhere, throw away your tazers and batons. You scare everyone now. I don’t hate the police, my father was a police officer. My heart aches for the family that lost there son, because of a language problem at our airport. We too use to be a great country. I fear it’s only going to get much worst. God help us all.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:34 am
It is definitely time for change, long over due. Things will unfold naturally and truth will prevail, when the time is right my friends, all of this chaos will end. We will see a shift in power and it will be for the good – keep up all your dedication and hard work, we will all be relieved when this nightmare ends.
June 13th, 2008 at 1:37 am
TO ALEX JONES AND HIS MEDIA DEPARTMENT SPECIFICALLY:
I believe it is in truths sake to take $20,000 of the money bomb funds to support radio communication for the grassroots groups you support the most. This event goes to show that we need to be backed up THREE FOLD.
What I mean is: the groups that you support that do not have proper communication need to be backed up 3 FOLD. With proper radio and video backup, these events will always be in truth’s favor. We still have the internet,, FOR NOW. !! WE NEED TO DO THINGS CORRECTLY NOW, BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE !!! SUPPORT TRUTH WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 1:37 am
my god those darn canadains A
June 13th, 2008 at 1:44 am
To address all comments. We had 3 cameramen, the cops did not get any of the footage from the one guy arrested and it is all being encoded as we speak! It was an awesome spectacle and we disrupted the entire event!! Stay tuned for the footage!!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Thanks for the support.
We have tons of footage from this event multiple cameras including the footage from our guy that got arrested.
Wait till you see this video.
June 13th, 2008 at 2:42 am
I live in Van, been arrested for being drunk in public . The cops wait outside the bars on Granville street at closing time so everyone is drunk in public when they are on the street. Tasers are used all the time. VPD are all crooks, they take bribes, do drugs that they confiscate, beat up prisoners, its time to fight back with violence.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:09 am
VancouverSucks Says:
June 13th, 2008 at 2:42 am
“…its time to fight back with violence.”
Officer Jack Boot here again with some insight into the process. Please do fight back violently.
Here’s the deal: We’ll match your violence and quadruple it. And trust me on this, nothing makes
my day more than a bleeding cop with his teeth kicked in. It’s water on my mills and gets my
boys really really riled up, itching to taser you extra crispy and beat you to cripples. And that’s
the way we like them, pumped up and ready to rumble
But hey don’t tell my boys I told you I like them to get hurt, they wouldn’t understand. Wouldn’t
want them to figure that one out, hell nooo
June 13th, 2008 at 3:09 am
To all you Kanadians who say the U.S sucks. Well, you suck as well.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:12 am
ron paul is a solid character in my book why steal the light from him?
June 13th, 2008 at 3:47 am
“Mike in Austin” is absolutely right. That’s exactly what we need, a camera man, with a camera man….another…another…another….
This is evidence that can be used in a courtroom.
June 13th, 2008 at 3:58 am
VancouverSucks, I live in the Dallas/Fort Worth area of Texas and the cops do the same thing here at the bars. What’s funny though is they are under cover but don’t act like it. They stand there by the door all night and watch the people leaving and then radio there buddy in the patrol car down the street. I have left a bar one time and said how’s it going OFFICER to the under cover, and he said to me “What are you talking about I am not a cop” lol man these guys are lame.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:01 am
No matter where you’re from, ring them up and ask questions and demand answers.
We need people power everytime something like this happens to our info warrior brothers and sisters.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:45 am
You need at least three cameras spread out and facing each other at all times. You need to tell them not to violate basic human rights and that you will sue if they do.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:57 am
Sounds like we need a supplemental moneybomb to fund the WE ARE CHANGE unbrella groups equipment needs. Maybe we also need a ongoing permanent INFOWAR AMMO BELT fundraiser ? The fight is on, and the NWO is not wasting time wraping things up, so we need to fund the resistance even more.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:41 am
This is outrageous conduct that shocks the consciense, I’m so sick of these people, who call themselves law enforcement.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:11 am
The day soldiers refuse to fight for corporations and instead hold up their arms in representation of the PEOPLE, is the day history will truly change for the better
June 13th, 2008 at 7:16 am
This is another aspect of over zealous police bullying at it’s worse. The cameraman should take the police to court for unlawful arrest.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:53 am
i wish i can destroy the NWO with my bare hands, and slap everyone in the bush administration….ohh, and light up on fire the patriot act.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Multiple layers of redundancy may be the only way to counter all these new arrest tactics – even having people down the street with cameras and audio. Even a “Swarm” approach, where LOTS of people have cameras and audio recording devices, both overt and concealed, might be a good idea. If there is a “swarm” of electronic eyes and ears; it becomes exponentially harder to thwart and any attempt to stop it gets recorded and becomes yet another instance of tyranny that gets uploaded to YouTube.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:56 am
The government has the power to arrest anybody, we have to prove out innocence. They can charge us with anything, say we did anything. Our system has turned into the very system the colonies rebelled against, totalitarian.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:08 am
SUE THEM! SUE THEM! Lets beat this staypuff donut suckers!
June 13th, 2008 at 8:23 am
the attempt of silencing free speech is a criminal act, resisting it is also criminal?
my opinion is thuggish police need to be tazered and handcuffed, with triple penalty
for abuse of position and uniform, not rewarded with a month of paid vacation.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:50 am
officer jack boot sounds like the typical power tripping ass wipe hidding behind a gun and a badge. Gotta love the police state we are moving into. Hey jack! its ok, you will meet your maker in the end. Here’s to tazer frying…and does God got a tazer for you
God bless, you have fun frying
June 13th, 2008 at 8:54 am
I have called myself and receivd the same ‘privacy of information’ stance. Please make one more call to 604-717-2670 and demand that professional standards review the justfication for this arrest. If the officer in question was out of line we need to discipline him.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:17 am
Hey jonthesavage…up here in Canada its Tim Hortons donut suckers, thank ya. lol, But really, I’d call by my parents have long distance blocked on our phone. I’m doing all I can to get the word out here in Halifax though.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:24 am
I just thought I was frightened before…
June 13th, 2008 at 9:26 am
NJ banned all firearms .50 cal. & over yesterday! Yes, even historical antiqes & replica flintlocks,cap & ball. Shotguns & Hunting muzzle loaders also? They Banned the rifles that won our independence. We are in serious trouble!
June 13th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Maurice franco is a man who lives in british columbia and was involved in the entire facade and mass murder on september 11, 2001
June 13th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I have had dealing with the British Columbia R.C.M.P. they are criminals, they lie, cheat, rob, threaten, abuse, kill, they are all criminals and should be FIRED. Unfortunately if you remain in the system, through Birth Certificates and Registration of Live Birth, they have the right to do to you anything they want, because you are a debtor. Study true LAW, look in the Canadian Law Dictionary, listed are Natural Persons, Artificial Persons etc, all being corporations. What we were taught is not what is, look in a mirror, that is reality. We are all part of a Corporation, we are all enemies of the Queen, thats why the abuse and harrassments, and killings. We need to wake up people. The crappy thing about this is nothing will happen to any of these R.C.M.P. members as they are well protected. As most of us do not know the Laws in which they serve under, hell they don’t even know. Believe me until 2 years ago, I believed that CANADA was true, strong and free. Over night I had to learn, as my friend was arrested on hearsay, denied due process, robbed, beaten, denied Habeaus Corpus, drugged with mind altering drugs, beyond comprehension, and detained for over 4 months without a hearing, and I needed to help him. Why not a Lawyer? Because they are all hired by the Corporation, and as soon as you hire one, you have contraced with the criminals, and everything they have done to you is okay. Learn what this scum corrupt Government, Judical System, and R.C.M.P. have been hiding. First look into the Canadian Law Dictionary, every word you thought you knew the meaning to, you don’t. You have to reverse everything you learn’t. What doesn’t kill you will make you stronger. Knowing the truth will set you free but first you will be miserable, because we have been fooled for so long.
Stay strong, as that will keep us going.
June 13th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Jack Boot Says:
June 13th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Officer Jack Boot here again with some insight into the process. Please do fight back violently.
Here’s the deal: We’ll match your violence and quadruple it. And trust me on this, nothing makes
my day more than a bleeding cop with his teeth kicked in. It’s water on my mills and gets my
boys really really riled up, itching to taser you extra crispy and beat you to cripples. And that’s
the way we like them, pumped up and ready to rumble
But hey don’t tell my boys I told you I like them to get hurt, they wouldn’t understand. Wouldn’t
want them to figure that one out, hell nooo
Dear Jackboot the Dog,
Thanks for giving us that intimidating fearful response back. I, myself, am NOW definitely NOT going to talk back. By the way, people/family sell lists all the time with personal information like where YOU work, where YOU sleep, and all kinds of things that really invade your private personal space. You should be aware of that fact next time you lay down to catch some zzz’s .
All this article goes to show is that the feds run the state gov, and canada is not as independent of the u.s as it claims to be. Colin Powell is a complete tool, and cares nothing about the genocide he is helping perpetuate on innocent civilians.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I don’t know why you guys don’t use hidden cameras and stream to an offsite location. The equipment for that is getting cheaper and with digital television taking over, it will be possible to use old analog transmission systems. I have seen analog television transmitters sell for under $40.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Even with all the propaganda, political hype and “smoking guns / mushroom clouds” bullcrap, most Canadians still had doubt about the Iraq invansion.
But all that changed when Powell came on holding his little bottle at the UN. He washed away any of the remaining doubt. Now it turns out he’s just another war whore bottom feeder. Just another slime ball douche bag who has no sense of the word “Humiliation” and should be spat on wherever he goes.
June 13th, 2008 at 10:28 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPDhvv0b7U
June 13th, 2008 at 10:31 am
origina lPatriot television
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRPDhvv0b7U
June 13th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Call and ask to speak to the media department, demand a press release!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 11:01 am
If people like Powell , Pelosi , Bush had been around during the American revolution, they would have been charged with treason and put to death on the spot.
America is going to be handed over to Bush’s friends of the New World Order in a torn up laundry bag.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:06 am
Hey Bubba Joe…I “K”anadian and I agree with you…CANADA SUCKS JUST AS BAD AS THE US…period…no diff…just as many per capita fluoridated MSG infected douchebags up here.
to the COP…taze me and you better kill me, cause I will get you if you don’t bank on that motherfucker…I have nothing to live for and so now it is war….you want a fucking war asshole? Are you ready to die first? There are lots of guys out there like me who are not afraid of you. You better be afraid of me..I would love nothing better than to watch you fry at my hands.
I wish I could track your IP right now..I would come talk to ya right away.
calling all snipers…find a roof top…time to get to work…next time they come to canada…make sure they leave in a body bag!
June 13th, 2008 at 11:31 am
BOYCOTT CANADA !! Inform any idiots who think running to Canada to avoid a possible draft here would be stupid since the NWO police state is already in total full force up there as it is revving up here. I’ve heard that you can even sneak across the border and work up there and all and be left alone by the authorities, as long as you don’t make waves and get political etc. -That’s when they jail you. Same with the homeless in certain towns and cities in the U.S. I know people who have had to do 30 days in jail in Florida prison, no court arraignment or nothing, only for being homeless. The system is set up so states makes fed $ off you being in jail for at least 30 days.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Okay, I sent them a polite e-mail (media@vpd.ca). I asked them to quote me the act and section under which one can be trespassing on a public sidewalk. Garan-damn-tee ya I’ll never hear from them. I also told them everybody has a video camera and video cellphone. I asked if they really want to look stupid.
Michael Varcellona and everybody else at WeAreChange Vancouver: Thank you. Good work.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:40 am
As a Canadian, i am disgusted and humiliated that my country has become a NWO cesspool. Thanks to Harper, Martin, Stockwell Day, all of them demons who are causing this once great land to slide into the crapper at light speed. The passive, mindless, spineless, weak and cowardly public doesn’t speak up, doesn’t inform themselves, and doesn’t do a damned thing to ensure their children have a free and safe/healthy future. But they sure know how to use a blackberry or drive an suv. Canadians are turning into mindless shallow hunks of filth.
Canadians, YOU ought to be fully ashamed of yourselves for letting things get this bad.
Welcome to fascist nwo canada, everyone. Where freedoms and rights are a myth in the year 2008.
June 13th, 2008 at 11:43 am
JAJAJAJAJAAAAAAAA!!!!!;WEIRD
June 13th, 2008 at 11:53 am
I emailed CAP (Canadian Action Party) and sent her this newstory. Connie Fogal is in Vancouver so perhaps she could start some stink at the police department.
if there are any other canadians on this site…it would be helpful if you could email CAP about this story as well….ask Connie to help WEARECHANGE Vancouver. Connie is a guest of Alex Jones from time to time. She’s a political power and will have more sway with the police than any of us.
EMAIL >>>> info@canadianactionparty.ca
June 13th, 2008 at 11:54 am
William Morgan – American Hero: I agree with you entirely. So, when are you going to stop buying our oil, natural gas, electricity, lumber, paper, comedians, actors and news readers?
The police state is not nearly in full force here. We have stopped the politicians from bringing in a Canadian equivalent to the PATRIOT act. We don’t have checkpoints everywhere with cops in military costumes. We do have drunk driving checkpoints, but all the cops do is smile, ask how you are doing and send you on your way if they don’t smell alcohol. We are not intercepted by immigration officers in while driving from point-to-point in our own country. We don’t have an ATF. We don’t have a DEA. Do you want me to go on. Our customs officers are ass holes. Cops are doing some damn stupid things here, but for the time being, we have it under control. Oh, yeah, we don’t have hundreds of thousands of soldiers ready to come home from Iraq to be cops here. Cops who can’t distinguish between how to behave in Iraq and how to behave in their country.
Please, Bill. Boycott our natural gas and gasoline. Because if Americans didn’t buy it, it would be cheaper for us to buy our own resources because there would be less demand.
And what’s this about being able to sneak up here and work and be left alone by the authorities if you don’t makes waves? Jesusfuckingchrist, Bill! I am shocked. That would never happen in your country, would it? My goodness, what efficient immigration authorities you Americans must have. I bow to your superiority!
And, Bill, what the hell does arresting and detaining people in Florida (America’s Drug Dealer) without habeus corpus have to do with boycotting Canada?
June 13th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I wrote them from Schwitzerland and I asked about my right to be informed upon DU and war crimes commited by legal governments!
I am going to phone too!!!
June 13th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
I just called and the guy said he never heard about it. He eventually hung up. Lying bastards
June 13th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Listen.I live in Vancouver,was born here and let me tell you ,this city has the most useless,corrupt and arrogant police force in North America.You add on top of that the national gestappo known as the RCMP and you have big probs.Not to mention our gimp Mayor has been pulled over twice by police in the middle of the night with crack prostitutes,one male one female,this is a NWO playground here.You get tazed on the skytrain by police,you get billy batted by police at music conserts,you get RCMP tazing and jumping on your neck at the Airport.Not to mention the handfull of serial killers operating in the area that police refuse to acknowlage because it would make then look even more useless
June 13th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
In this Matrix we were raised in (the U.S.A) the VEIL is being lifted. That veil is held up with FEAR. The fear is now disappearing. The threats are now having no effect. That is because the lovers of TRUTH understand we have POWER. BECAUSE we do not fear death, they fear us. They have no knowledge of god. They know only greed and unbridled power, but it will not matter. They are already consigned to EXTINCTION. The Reagan radio debacle is actually VERY GOOD NEWS for Truthers. It indicates the LAST LEVEL of PANIC coming from the death rattle of the new world order advocates. We are hitting them RIGHT where they live. They are going down and they know it. This is the time spoken of for centuries. AND YOU MY FRIENDS ARE THE INCARNATED SOULS PRIVILEGED TO SEE THE NEW AWAKENING.
June 13th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I used to live in Canada and I want you out of my birthland Colin Powell you retarded hubris.
June 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
My family lives in Vancouver and that was unacceptable what the police did we are all appalled. Vancouver is a great city and those faux cops need to be imprisoned.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
I live in Canada the land of my birth and I am mighty deeply ashamed at how it became to follow “Bushwhack” right down the tubes. I don’t feel that it is my land anymore – I don’t belong here anymore and maybe not to this earth anymore. I just hate everything what is going on. I became so upset about what Michael Reagan said about threatening murder to a man who called Alex Jones and even Alex Jones and his family were threatened. No matter where we go today there is no safe place – Canada used to be a good place during the days of Pierre Trudeau and yes the man made plenty of mistakes and was no saint believe you me he was bad too but nothing compared to what we have today – nothing but a bunch of Nazis.
I read in both the Ottawa Citizen and the Globe and Mail newspaper yesterday that Senator John McCain is coming to Ottawa on June 20 for a discussion on the North American Union. I detest everything about this union that caused all these problems. Europe is in such a mess over all this and other countries are falling into the same trap. Believe me this is only the tip of the iceberg – we haven’t seen anything yet. If this keeps going the Bible is right.
June 13th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Joy Ann we will be hosting a Welcoming Party for Mr Mc Cain This is the message thread we are using to coordinate efforts. http://www.ottawa911truth.com/.....5&t=65
June 13th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
DBarrow: Are you from Gahanna,ohio??? Barrow is not common…kind of like Clyde Barrow. If so, we’ve met and partied together!!! J.Rayot…Ed Green???
June 13th, 2008 at 7:33 pm
Hi ONeil:
I am glad that you will be ready for McCain. This man is very sick both physically and mentally. McCain isn’t fit to be president but I am afraid that he will win the presidency. I don’t rust any of them. I sure am disappointed in Dr. Paul for not going ahead with the presidency – he was our only hope. I see where Ralph Nader is going to run for president but I don’t trust him either but hopefully he might be better than the others – I don’t know but just a guess. I do like the former democratic candidate that is trying to impeach Bush and Cheney and I keep forgetting his name. He is a nice person but I don’t think that he is made to be president. Dr. Paul is mighty well versed in finance and economy and he seems to be the real answer. Dr. Paul has a weak side and there is no way he could defeat the evil that has penetrated our world today.
I pray for Mr. Jones and his family as well as the caller that called in today with horrible news and all the 911 truthers and everyone on this earth to combat the evil among us. I commend Mr. Jones for what he is doing – he is in great danger for sure. I want everyone here to pray with me for his safety and for all.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I’m appalled not only at the actions of the police but at the violence and rudeness of the responses here. Whether or not you agree with the mayor there is no excuse for calling him a “gimp” because of his disability. When we speak here of violence against the police or politicians or anyone else we are joining their club and doing anything but giving peace a chance.
We must be observers and witnesses and shout it to the rooftops when we see the RCMP murder citizens by dragging them, soaking wet and unconscious at the freezing point and dumping them in an alley as happened to Mr. Paul. THAT IS MURDER! Or when Ian Bush was shot in the back of the head while in custody and blood spatter evidence shows that the officer’s story is false. THAT IS MURDER! And the man who was shot on Granville St. and the VPD officers calmly walked up and finished him off (a witness called it “not so much a murder as an execution”) THAT IS MURDER! And of course the taser deaths that continue unabated. God help you if you don’t pay for your SkyTrain ticket! None of these officers have been charged with a crime let alone convicted. SHOUT ABOUT IT, PASS IT ON, WRITE LETTERS AND DON’T GIVE UP.
June 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pm
I came across a very interesting person on the web lately by the name of Jordan Maxwell and how he spoke the real terminology of law – law of the land and law of the sea and that the real law was the law of the sea which represented money. Go to Youtube.com and type in Jordan Maxwell and he is mighty interesting. I saw him with another man who looks quite familiar like in show business and he knew Ronald Reagan in Hollywood and said that Ronald Reagan was known as Red Ronny back when. We learn something everyday on this wonderful net. The upper echelons want to close down the net where we cannot communicate and this is really dreadful.
Here in Canada things are changing – getting more like the US everyday. Canada in our minds was a land of the free and of course full of ice and snow in the winter – BRRR! Getting more serious we all thought it was a great place to live in general a lot more peaceful than the US but it was a lot of a figment of our imagination or what we were told. There is good and bad in every society and no need to hurl insults because we are all alike and fighting for the same cause. If things don’t change then none of us have a future nor do our children and grandchildren. There is nowhere to hide that I know of. Even Australia is falling for this BS.
I remember before Australia was talking about going independent away from being under the thumb of the Royal Family and a lot of we Canadians wanted that as well. Now we are all falling into a terrible tyranny.
Oh before I bore everyone to death I came across something on the net and I can’t remember if it is from Jordan Maxwell or somewhere else where Washington DC as well as London England have their own flags representing them separately to the rest of the country. It was a shock to see that and it mentioned the US as a corporation. It looks like we are already under this horrible regime. I just learned that last week.
June 13th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
free speech,,,NOT!!! sad state of affairs!
June 13th, 2008 at 8:26 pm
Michael Says:
June 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
I’m appalled not only at the actions of the police but at the violence and rudeness of the responses here.
Yes, I think some of the responses on here are harsh as well, but let us remember they are just responses, not actions. Responses to injustice, and clear violations of another’s 1st amendment rights. There is also a difference between action & reaction. Did you happen to read Jackboot’s response ?
This is a so-called representative of the state from the language and inference’s made in the response that’s given, and you seem to think peace will work with this individual who expresses delight in his quadrupling mathematical feat of crippling civilians and others simply exercising their rights as citizens. I think there is a time & place for peace, but I am not sure the time and place always fits. For instance, I like to see cops given flowers to, but usually from a pot in a window two stories up. Flowers are great gifts depending on the arrangement and presentation.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am
William, you can’t fight overwhelming force with force. Mahatma Ghandi managed to gain India’s independance from the British using ahimsa or non-violence and non-cooperation and love. You underestimate the power of that oppositional force. Of course there is a difference between violence and self-defense but what was being talked about was purely a violent reaction which just breeds more violence. I would bet that you say you are anti-war but what you advocate is the exact same energy as war. The police themselves have been trying to get that reaction by planting agitators at protests. Don’t be a fool and fall into that trap. Peace and love shows them for what they are and holds up a mirror to them.
June 14th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Free Marc Emery – the most successful advocate for freedom to ever walk the face of the earth! Free Vancouver’s BC3! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-WPhkkPkEM
June 14th, 2008 at 2:57 am
If you suspect that you are talking to an undercover at a bar start asking him or her for drinks cigarettes and give them the impression that you can score drugs for them and they will buy drinks all night then just leave them high and dry. Those schmucks will believe anything you tell them. At the same time alert everyone at the bar that he/she is a cop and get everyone to get the cop to buy drinks. Soon he/she will get wise to it and leave. Have done this many times in New York!!! Treat them like the scum they are!!
June 14th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Michael Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 12:45 am
William, you can’t fight overwhelming force with force. Mahatma Ghandi managed to gain India’s independance from the British using ahimsa or non-violence and non-cooperation and love. You underestimate the power of that oppositional force.
BTW, look up your factual info on Gandhi. He ordered troops to fire and attack his own people in order to be put into a martyred position. Sounds a lot more like sneaky manipulation than non-violent resistance.
Actually, you can fight overwhelming force with force. It just has to be done stategically. You can topple any monster by attacking, and then disappearing. It’s a process to permanently disable some of these hydras.
I am not sure how peace and love is going to work with a group of people YOU have said is SECRETLY planted within the crowd to elicite reactions, only to arrest any eliciting the same reactions. Pure entrapment and enciting of violence regardless of any mumbo-jumbo legal jargon. These cops are manipulative, cohersive, and are generally beyond help. My response was not violent in the least, only an expounded anecdote from William S. Burroughs that basically goes to say, ‘Don’t group me into your flowers and doves. Save the flower passing for the Hare Krishnas’. We can see how well it’s worked for their group. I am not violent, but not above it either. All I am saying is don’t be naive. It may work in principle for a minute, but it didn’t work for M.L.K, John Lennon, or any of the other assassinated martyrs. Really a shame, but that’s reality. and btw, war is not energy, unless you are using the worldwide equation, war=oil.
June 14th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Don’t miss out on one of the points here, that these guys were asking questions about “depleted uranium” weapons. Write letters to papers about this illegal and deadly toxic weapon which indiscriminately destroys the lives of those that are exposed to its debris. The very fine nanoparticles of metal oxides that are produced by this weapon, I believe, are responsible for causing diseases in people and animals, including an area I spend alot of time researching… Bovine spongiform encephalopathy in cattle and Chronic Wasting Disease in Deer/elk. When these fine particles are INHALED, they can get to the brain; when they are consumed they get trapped in the body if digested. When protein binds with the metal it becomes less available for absorption in the body. In fact, these particles would be more bioavailable when attached to sugars and carbohydrates like those found in grains and plants (even beer). North America is also being contaminated with DU. Leuren Moret, DU activist and geoscientist was just in British Columbia, Kootney region, at the beginning of June ‘08 to discuss the dangers of Depleted Uranium. Keep pounding on this issue!!!
Do you know what a proving ground is? Yah, its where they test their new weapons. Well, Canada is the proving grounds for the New World Order. Our population is small, our country large and are resources HUGE. Not only are our bases, like NATO’s base near Medicine Hat, (Suffield) and Cold Lake Air Range being used as proving grounds for weapons, but for the production of biological weapons (and their supposed anti-dotes)…
Now Alberta;s government has agreed to pay for 9 year old girls to get the Gardisal vaccine (at the same time as the Hepatitis B vaccine). One contains massive amounts of aluminium (gardasil), and the other mercury. The synergetic effect of these two metals in the body are guaranteed to cause problems like infertility and neurological destruction. We are Change Vancouver tried to bring forward the question of toxic depleted uranium ….. they were denied their dignity and right to question Powell – on what grounds? Demand answers in letters to editors and on radio talk shows. Keep the pressure on this issue up.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
powell is a robot, hes not really human..some questions may be harmfull to his delicate circuitry.
June 14th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
I wonder why they’re citing the Privacy Act when they release info on other prople all the time?
June 14th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
William, I would love to see the “facts” that showed that Ghandi ordered a violent attack on anyone. That’s an utter fabrication. And if you don’t understand what I meant by energy you need to expand your vocabulary. And your idea of fighting a gorrilla style war here in N. America is just plain stupid. Have a look at the condition of countries who have done just that. And by the way, those guys planted in crowds to elicit a violent reaction to discredit protestors depend on guys that have your point of view – otherwise there would be no reaction to their provocation. Major changes have taken place in the world without violence. Wars along with all their atrocities depend on your point of view. Bush loves you.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Michael Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
William, I would love to see the “facts” that showed that Ghandi ordered a violent attack on anyone. That’s an utter fabrication.
Maybe YOU think that it’s a fabrication because you have never picked up a book of historical reference with any other viewpoint than the one you care to see. Maybe you should google, ‘Gandhi’ to start instead of ‘Ghandi’, maybe we are talking about somebody completely opposite. and also as far as the countries that have engaged in a so called guerilla style warfare. maybe you should take an even CLOSER look at who started and funds those style conflicts possibly, maybe even a self-admitted “I was only taking orders” Col.North.
You actually think that if chaos broke out that they would suffer over here the same fate that other countries have that have attempted similar things ?
No, actually I think there are quite a few qualified people over here that feel quite similarly to myself, and I think that if something does go down, it will not end even closely to how you see it.
Education and training are definite factors that will play their roles.
and yes I understand all about crowd plants, I also know a thing or too about photography, and take quite a few pictures of plants which are known to appear from time to time on various websites. you obviously know absolutely nothing about my viewpoint or my stance on non-violence. I can just think of ALOT better examples than Gandhi when making specific points of non-violence.
I understood perfectly what you meant by energy, but I thought the statement fell quite short since it was obvious that you were placing judgement upon me simply for the pondering of an anecdote.
pretty pathetic attempt at relating for someone so into peace & harmony. you have MUCH to realize and learn about positivity and negativity/balance/zen.
and btw, I love hairy bush. so thanks.
June 14th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
William, let’s see your proof that Gandhi (thanks for the spelling lesson; I could give you one too) ordered violence. Show us how educated you are. I believe you are spouting nonsense to try to prove your point. Prove it.
June 14th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Michael, pick up a book about your hero. What specific proof do you need.
After you have pre-judged me by my simple quote of an anecdote, I am not really planning on doing you any favors, but you may want to start your research on the over 500 Indian regiment troops in South India that died as a result of ‘peaceful withdrawing’.
these are quotes from his autobiography,
“I would give up the finest sons of India to save the British empire in it’s dying hour”
or
“We (Indians) can only be granted the responsibility of freedom once we learn to civilize ourselves first. (Like the British)”
You see, in his eyes, freedom was a granted right of the people just like the ruling agenda feeld here. Ridiculous~!
and how has t
Wasn’t really trying to give you a spelling lesson just thought maybe we were talking about someone altogether different.
I apologize for specifically trying to understand your comment in it’s entirety. It isn’t as if there is a Mohandas and an Indira, right ?
Ummm…. sorry but just from the stated above alone he doesn’t really sound like the peaceful non-violent character you make him out to be, he sounds more like Uncle Ruckus from The Boondocks. Maybe you read some British remanufacture of his life where assumptions of his character and purpose have been flipped around to suit the remanufacture of history, but I am not going to defend anyone as non-violent who lead the recruitment march for the British during WW1. His message of non-violence was only a ploy to suffocate the Indian revolt. Gandhi recruited for the British troops during WW2 and even staged false coups against himself and his family, Jan.1897.
Gimme a break, what do you want me to give you a tape recording of him giving the order?
June 14th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Part of my response was cut off:
You see, in his eyes, freedom was a granted right of the people just like the ruling agenda feels here. Ridiculous~!
and how has he advanced the struggle of his people through non-violence when he thought it was acceptable for Indians to fight for captors as such was done in WW2.
June 14th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
First draft of the footage online now;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BudfzONBps
June 14th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Gandhi always preached ahimsa and non-violence and when he joined the army it was to do first aid not to hold a gun. There is no record anywhere of him telling anyone to fight other than when he said it would be preferable to fight than to run as a coward and that ahimsa took courage. You have no quotes and where they are to be found because they don’t exist. And are you trying to tell me that you thought that the Gandhi I spoke of, who gained the Independence of India from the British might have been Indira? Now you are just either showing yourself to be disingenuous or completely ignorant of history – which is it? End of pointless conversation.
June 14th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
so ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we are change don’t represent or condon violence? what the fuck do they think they are fighting, lolipops and pudding? the cops love we are change because they can fuck with these ball less and nut less jerks for the next 1,00 years. the women in w a c have all the balls and nuts. …………….women dumb all those QUEER men in w a c.
June 14th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Hey fred! You are funny dude, strangely enough I didn’t see you there, I presume you where elsewhere having a fist fight with a few cops? Or was you sat at home on your computer typing….andking your balls to ensure that ‘the women’ haven’t stolen them
June 15th, 2008 at 6:08 am
Elephant Memory,
what is the best way to contact you?
June 15th, 2008 at 8:24 am
# Michael Says:
June 14th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Gandhi always preached ahimsa and non-violence and when he joined the army it was to do first aid not to hold a gun. There is no record anywhere of him telling anyone to fight other than when he said it would be preferable to fight than to run as a coward and that ahimsa took courage. You have no quotes and where they are to be found because they don’t exist. And are you trying to tell me that you thought that the Gandhi I spoke of, who gained the Independence of India from the British might have been Indira? Now you are just either showing yourself to be disingenuous or completely ignorant of history – which is it? End of pointless conversation.
I took the quotes from Gandhi’s own autobiography, ‘The Story of My Experiments With Truth’.
Like I said, pick up a book instead of trying to pick a fight on subjects which you know nothing about. and yeah, I was under the impression we possibly could’ve been speaking of somebody totally opposite because of your absolute lack of knowledge regarding anything factual and historical involving your hero.
You ask for examples, I give you several, plus quotes from the man’s own autobiography, and you still try and dismiss anything that doesn’t fit into your image of your hero. His tactics of non-violence were nothing more than a ruse to suffocate & kill off the Indian revolt, and it’s clearly shown by his sudden change in philosophy to recruit troops for the British during WW2.
How is leading a recruitment march for the British during WW1 practicing non-violence ?
How was Gandhi a man of his people when he made it seem acceptable to fight & recruit for the British who raped, whipped, and exploited those very same Indians ?
Gandhi is nothing more than a puppet for the British.
EVERYTHING I relayed to you regarding Gandhi can be looked up and researched by ANY CAPABLE individual. I guess it is the end of this POINTLESS conversation since you are only willing to hear your own voice. Good luck with the singin in the shower.
June 15th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
My appologies, you were right regarding WW1. He opposed Indian involvement in WW2. Actually I would have disagreed with that stance – Hitler should have been opposed.Personally I have no problem with self defense just with the violence and hatred that was proposed by some posters here. I believe that violence is a last resort when you are forced to defend yourself. Bashing the police and promoting violence and hatred is disgusting and a poor strategy.
The British certainly didn’t feel that he was a puppet especially since his non-violent tactics forced them to give up India.
June 16th, 2008 at 7:50 am
those quotes were out of his own autobiography as well. no trickery here. I understand and respect your ideas regarding non-violence. They are admirable, and are definitely something to aspire to. I just don’t see a great deal of change without bloodshed. and also for the record, most of those responding aren’t bashing cops, they are scolding angry dogs. Venting at injustice. I am not sure how that promotes violence and anger. The words are not direct actions, only reactions. Reactions to seeing someone, who poses no threat, handcuffed, humiliated, & embarrassed publicly for the simple exercising of his First Amendment rights. I would much rather see people using words to express themselves than violence because we all know what happens to Old Yeller.
June 16th, 2008 at 9:10 am
…Ah-bdi… “Michael” and “William” It’s Subash Chandra Bose that kicked the Brits out of India , with guerilla warfare , he met and got help from Hitler , which is more than what he got from Gandhi who let him down at the crucial moment ( with the congress ). Gandhi was playing “saint amongst politicians , and politician amongst saints” !!!
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Also the police in red deer are garbage dont even get me started on my personal experiences seeing the same cop many times has a certain effect. Theres a handful of police inpersonators here too and the missing persons report for red deer is the worst per capita in alberta, theres got to be a group of serial killers working independatly of each other but in knowing the others exist just not in communication with eachother
March 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
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