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What You Need To Know When Dealing With Police
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MTA police detain activist for refusing to show ID at anti-bailout demonstration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCxUaG8rqn0
The 4th Amendment States:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The Court Case that is THE CORNERSTONE for any dealings with the police is Terry vs Ohio
I think everyone knows what a SEARCH is but what is a SEIZURE, well the court said,
“whenever a police officer accosts an individual and restrains his freedom to walk away, he has ‘seized’ that person.”
Popular Police Reasons They Will Use for Detaining You : CONDUCTING AN INVESTIGATION, OFFICER SAFETY, ID CHECK, SUSPECTED TERRORIST
For their own protection, police may perform a quick surface search of the person’s outer clothing for weapons if they have reasonable suspicion that the person stopped is armed. This reasonable suspicion must be based on “specific and articulable facts” and not merely upon an officer’s hunch. So the officer must state the reason to a judge and if he can’t, he has violated your constitutional rights and is subject to a lawsuit. The same proof necessary to obtain a warrant from a judge is the same proof necessary to detain you!
And simple “ ‘good faith on the part of the arresting officer is not enough.’ … If subjective good faith alone were the test, the protections of the Fourth Amendment would evaporate, and the people would be ‘secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,’ only in the discretion of the police.” — quoting Beck v. Ohio, 379 U.S. 89 (1964)
Therefore Officer Discretion is Out The Window
ID Checks are not a lawful detainment excuse, remember you are being SEIZED!! The officer has to state “specific and articulable facts” as to what crime he reasonably believes you are engaging in at that moment. The answer to an ID request or any other detainment is that you are committing no crime and unless under Terry vs Ohio he can articulate specific facts to a judge that you are engaging in a crime at that moment, the officer needs to stop seizing you under the 4th amendment. Failure to produce ID on Demand, is no crime.
And by the way, filming in a public place or “Public Domain” is allowed unless otherwise posted. Filming an officer is not unlawful unless it interferes with his work. For police to use that excuse of course requires them to defend their actions in court with the very footage you are shooting. Don’t stop filming and ask if you are no longer in the way or interfering. If an officer doesn’t want to be filmed by you, fine, tell him he has the option to walk away.
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October 23rd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
Ya know, N.Y. cops are the worst. They have this enormous “Im a freakin tough guy” attitude. Police in general don’t seem to know shit about the laws, they routinely make their own versions up in any given situation.It must stem from ignorance, and insecurity.I have to say that for my own health, and well being I should start limiting my visits to Alex’s websites. I just get so anxious , and pissed off, that i’m afraid I might pop a blood vessel. Am I the only one who experiences this?The time for talking is well passed, we need real solutions, I say mass demonstrations to start with. Yeah, that’s not very unique I know, but it’s a start.I’m just sick of doing nothing, and I want to be a part of “REAL CHANGE”.To quote a popular Smashing Pumpkin’s song…”Despite all my rage, I am still just a rat in a cage” So very appropriate for how I feel.
October 23rd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
Rusty, I know where you are coming from. But from my experience, I believe that popping a blood vessel is not the answer. Find peace within and then stay calm and think clearly and act rationally in adverse situations. Be clear headed when seeking to be a part of real change. Don’t go off half cocked and plan well your moves.
October 23rd, 2008 at 6:49 pm
#2— Good advice there. Plan everything. Have exit stratagies. Think. Don’t sacrafice yourselves or the ones your with. Thats what they want. When you plan make it plan a,b,c. Just in case. If you have to drink for some courage, just drink enough to get it. Don’t get drunk. I don’t do drugs no more, but meth used to make me hunker down and wait. That ain’t no good for what will be happening. It’ll trap you. If you do tar, just make sure you have enough to stay well. Or kick it. I know, thats a scary thought, but it might have to be done. I never got nothing done with pot. Everything was cool with me so fuck it, why bother. Turn the music up. It’s gonna get real serious soon and we’re gonna need our wits about us. Not going off half baked. If you’re going out in a blaze of glory take as many of them with you as you can. Peace.
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:29 pm
Knowledge = power
The more knowledge you have about your rights the more power you have in your hands to overcome and defeat fascist enforcers
Always remember though to never become physical or abusive – stay calm rational and logical
This will infuriate the fascists enforcer who will try by any means to trick you into making a mistake of some sort so as to be able later to use this against you to justify their oppressive actions against you
October 23rd, 2008 at 7:53 pm
work with your neighbors. grow your own gardens. do not get sucked in. they want to jail you. visit with officers in public. break the training of us vs. them.
http://www.aniboom.com/video/2.....own-kenny/
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:11 pm
the police…haha…they must not realize who they ACTUALLY work for…yes the NWO want to brain wash our police and our soldiers that anything “against the grain” is TERRORISM…lol…fuck terrorism…when “their” plan evolves more and we start to see the police state inacted, we will all be terrorist according to them…i will not stand down and be bullied, i’m using my next pay check to go buy a big hand cannon of sum sort….i would gladly much rather die in a hail storm or tornado than by concentration, i mean FEMA camps….basically my fellow brothaz n sistaz…the time for website chatting and messaging is over….let the revolution take place and make me the forerunner against tyranny….”tis better to die fighting than to be a prisoner all the days of your life”..bob marley….chant down the wicked!!!! love is free, FREEDOM IS PAID WITH BLOOD–tilly ray–
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
these pigs are not brainwashed. they are cowards.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:19 pm
do u have to tell them your name if they ask. just wondering.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:22 pm
OK, I watched the video. What is it trying to teach? I’m still wondering what I need to know.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:24 pm
hey rusty this is yellowhak1. i have a feeling we live in the same northern california city. ive seen your post before in our local newspaper comments section. i can’t remember the last one but the one before that was in regards to the iraq war and our soldiers coming home. the end of the post you mentioned ron paul. does any of this ring a bell? if you dont want to comment back i’ll understand. i gotta go. i’ll be back on this site tomorrow.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:25 pm
I have literally lost all respect for law enforcement.. Of should I say they lost the ability to earn my respect. Most I have met had the US vs. you metality and little to no knowledge of the laws when questioned. They work for those who tell them what to do and pay them and do not(through ignorance) like most realise that the tax payer pays their incomes..
In fact I challenge anyone who reads this to ask any and every GVT employee at any level where their “income” originates. Most will have no clue.. or say it comes from “the GVT”…
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:28 pm
Get real! The article says you have grounds for a lawsuit if the cop acts unlawfully?? Ever tried that one? They will hit you so fast with “absolute immunity” it will make your head swim. THE ONLY WAY YOU COME OUT AHEAD ON THAT ONE IS IF YOU ARE OF THE RODNEY KING VARIETY…YOU KNOW, ‘african-american’, whatever in Gods name that is. ( I understand the african part.) The only hope you have is a Title 42 USC and you better have that down pat and be prepared to carry it to the supreme court AND be prepared to file your case at that level under WRIT OF SUPERVISORY CONTROL, which establishes your right to circumvent the lower appeals court process where you would encounter prejudicial judgment and dismissal. I’ve been there and was sandbagged before I discovered the writ of supervisory control. NO ATTORNEY WILL CARRY IT THAT FAR FOR YOU SINCE THEY ARE OFFICERS OF THE COURT YOU ARE OPPOSING. Good luck.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:36 pm
“I DO NOT CONSENT TO THIS OFFICER”
“I DO NOT CONSENT TO BEING DETAINED UNLAWFULLY”
THAT’S How you deal with them, then if they arrest you
you repeat to the judge and jury EXACTLY what you told
the shithead officer before he made his mistake.
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
yea my 4th amendment got fucked by palm beach county officers, this was useful
October 23rd, 2008 at 8:53 pm
FANTASTIC. Even though some of us, or even most of us, who engage the political process directly are aware of our rights, we may not be aware of the important and defining details. I think it is extremely important to ALWAYS have a camera with you and for your friends to have them too. Know the law and get any and all encounters with the police on tape or disc with multiple cameras.
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Who wants to try this: A group of people passing out blank pieces of paper in public. Do you think we’d get arrested? We’d probably be called terrorists. Who’s in?
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:11 pm
If you are fortunate enough to have the entire incident on video tape, you might have legal grounds for a lawsuit, but that seems like a long shot. More than likely if you refuse to show your I.D., the officer will arrest you and say that you assaulted him (after they bust your face open, slamming you to the ground with several of his buddies). The whole system is corrupt and designed to support the corrupt police departments that generate fear and funds. You’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t!
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:15 pm
I would have been a little bolder, like sticking the camera in their faces. “Can I see your ID?” then BAM right in the face.
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:18 pm
“Am I under arrest? On what charges? Good-bye.”
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:41 pm
I know what you all mean who are complaining about these police acts. As our Federal Government gets further into debt they will encroach and harass us even more to try to ticket us to pay for the 8 trillion that Paulson and his buddies looted from the treasure over the last month. I was talking to a neighbor in Austin, TX where I live about the comming marshall law and the violation of peoples rights that will soon involved weapons confiscation and arrest for just standing up for your rights. Some one over heard part of the conversation and told the police that I was going to blow away the cops but did not hear the entire conversation. The police last week came by and took one of my guns. I have called 3 times after being told to make an appointment to pick up my gun. I have just been shuffled from one operator to another. By the way I am an ex probation officer and detention officer and do not even have so much as a parking ticket. Next month when I have time I will go by and directly asked for my property. If they do not give it up I will have to file a law suit. Sad that things are comming this. We may be forced to take this to another level soon. I HAVE IMPORTANT INFORMATION THE REGULAR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT ARE HAS DISARMED ALL THE NATIONAL GUARD OF ANY SIGNIFIGANT FIRE POWER AND IS SENDING MOST THEM TO THE MIDDLE EAST. THIS INFORMATION IS CONFIRMED. CAN YOU SAY POSSE COMMMITATUS ACT VIOLATIONS COMMING.
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:45 pm
This is why this is happening to America.
“And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.” (Deuteronomy 8:19)
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:52 pm
too bad cops in america do not obey the law.!!!!!!!!!!
October 23rd, 2008 at 9:54 pm
How about that declaration on the radio: “dey was told what to do…dat’s enufff”
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:18 pm
20. You are right about the taking of everyting out of the Armories. They did that in Rome GA, and everyting is on its way to the mid east, tools weapons and the whole lot of it.
I can say that in GA if you d not show an ID you are going to jail, and they will let you out when produced, but they will most likely hold you on a pulblic disturbance charge or someting like that.
The Constitution has been so mangled, that we no longer have any rights, and as this moves on it will get worse.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:38 pm
On the up side everybody was very calm and professional.
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:40 pm
True #21, all too true…..
October 23rd, 2008 at 10:42 pm
THE REAL CRIMINALS ARE THE POLICE!!!THEY KILL AND GET AWAY WITH IT.THEY SHOULD BE PUNISHED BY DEATH
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:05 pm
And cops wonder why violence is on the rise against them. Wake up man and smell the taser.
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
This reminds me of that David Dees’ picture that has an IRS tax collector at your door with the barrel of a tank’s cannon pointed right at you. He then says referring to the law that legalizes income tax, “Show you the law? Why should we?” Same thing with the police here. Might makes right. I’m sure our founding fathers are rolling over in their graves….
By the way David Dees’ is a mad genius. Google his name, go to his website, and look at his satire section. It is brilliant!
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:18 pm
Am I free to go? If yes WALK away (running can be [mis]construed as a ‘furtive gesture’ and then give the cop ‘reasonable suspicion’
If under arrest, stay silent until you consult a lawyer.
If detained, *beforehand* find out if stop & identify law applies. certain states yes/no
If you can prove that the detainment is unlawful, then you don’t have to provide your name. [note this really pushes the cops back into brainwashed mode, so you might be better off just giving your name]
otherwise just give first & last name, no more.
If the cop(s) push, push back. Threaten to sue under 42 USC 1983 (I think) Tell them you will take every penny to their name. If more than one cop works against you, tell them you will sue the city, and since you have cause the city will fire their assess, and you will still take their car, house, and pension.
Demand your freedom!
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:26 pm
Not even NAZI Germany was this bad, and that is not saying much for the USA Cops.. Stalinist Russa? OH Ya!!!
October 23rd, 2008 at 11:48 pm
Use the Courts to your advantage.
Go to http://www.jurisdictionary.com.....ode=BE0002
October 24th, 2008 at 12:19 am
Well don’t come to Ohio…”Probable Cause was eliminated in the summer of 07′ by our(if you can call it that!!!) State Supreme Court!!!! Pull you over for shit’s and giggles’!!!! #2: Right on though…BE COOL about it!!! But…As ICP would say…”Nobody gives a fuck about your punkass rules, Keystone coppers and they’re HYPOCRITE schools!!!!!!!!!!” “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!!!”
October 24th, 2008 at 12:20 am
#13 has it right. I DO NOT CONSENT. DO NOT TOUCH ME, YOU DO NOT HAVE MY CONSENT.
I do not CONSENT. They cannot act on you without a VICTIM, demand to see the VICTIM.
If they say the State is the Victim, tell them to bring the STATE. Learn you dang rights! If they ask you if you understand something say “No, I do not understand.”
Its all contracts, people, they assume you are an employee of the Federal Government, if you say your name, Date of Birth, SSN, residencial status, you are identifing yourself as an employee.
TELL THEM NOTHING but I do not CONSENT. I do not UNDERSTAND. Sign any papers “under duress” next to your signature.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:09 am
1 of 300, what you’re talking about when you say “show me the victim” is the old Common Law, which no longer exists. Here in Arizona I looked it up, and in 1959 the State legislators passed a law which abolished the Common law in favor of the Arizona Revised Statutes. I’ll bet there’s something similar in your state. Our State Constitution gives the lawmakers (and the people, by the way) the authority to make any kind of legal system we want, it doesn’t have to be the common law. So the real way to fight this kind of unfair legal system is to propose an initiative in your State, and get enough signatures to get it on the ballot. Get the people to vote the Common Law back into power and dump the Revised Statues. Until all the States do that, the State governments will continue to make unfair and draconian laws.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:13 am
Are We Awake #24 -
In GA I have been in two confrontation while legally carrying a firearm(pistol) with a CCW permit and in complete compliance with GA laws. In once case the policeman asked me if I had a copy of the law on me.. I responded that he should know the law…
In both cases when I made it very clear I was well withing my rights and explained why.. their response was “Well..you are going to do what we say or we will go down to the station and work this out..”.. In other words they try to intimidate you into compliance as they make the laws as they see fit…
Again..I have no respect for stupid cops… They do not train, make any attempt to learn their jobs… They practice the “I am a cop.. you are not..what I say goes..” But I don’t let up…I press on.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:35 am
One more thing, a very important thing, to know when dealing with police is
YOU ARE DEALING WITH A PERSON WHO MAY KILL YOU AT THEIR OWN DISCRETION.
I taught all 3 of my sons if you’re alone and are stopped by a cop just assume he is
a psychopath who may gun you down in cold blood. This happens far too often to make
it an unusual occurrence. The police officer or deputy may be a good family man who
wants to help keep the peace, but HE IS FRIGHTENED OF YOU. Fear makes people
think and act illogically. Unless you draw a hopped-up steroid skinhead of an officer
they usually will listen to what you have to say. In situations like a protest most of
the time all the officer knows is he’s been sent out to clear the street; perhaps even
by criminal thug bosses who happen to be in public office. The cop is caught between
your Constitutional rights and his need to follow orders to feed his family. Do not
show fear. Remember the only difference between you and the cop is he’s got a gun,
a taser and a badge. Otherwise he’s an average dude who not only has to “put out”
for his bosses, but must answer to his local Freemason lodge. Sometimes I work as
a delivery man to help a friend. When I deliver supplies to the local hospital they
always have 2 city police officers on duty there. While I’m waiting for the paperwork
I stand and chat with the cop. You’d be surprised how many of them are on “our side”
far as being against the Federal Gov’t and for the local citizens. Maybe it’s because
I’m old enough to be their pop but they don’t mind talking. I’m encouraged to hear
them say they are as upset and angry about “creeping fascism” as we are, and many
are leaving Law Enforcement. We all get mad as hell at the psycho bully cops. But
there are many thousands of them who truly care about our country. Actually it
wouldn’t be a bad idea to carry some Search and Seizure Law with you. Most cops
aren’t able to be lawyers. If you knew me you’d realize how fantastic it sounds for
me to advocate patience with officers. We’ve had quite a lot of trouble from some
bad ones, but truth is I also meet many who are genuine human beings. Just a
thought to mull over amidst the present hysteria.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Suggestion- At one time I knew a couple of people who carried the small digital voice recorders with them at all times. I thought they were overly paranoid.. UNTIL… I learned the hard way.. Now I carry one that is small enough to fit in a shit pocket unnoticed and can plug into my computer to make a CD of the converstaion.. The cops/social services..lawyers.. any of them will lie in a heartbeat to cover their ass.. and when you produce a CD with the recording.. the Judges REALLY get defensive when the evidence of the conversation is offered… But it has an effect..especially when on of the so call “offficers” is testifying and you are representing yourself and you ask what occured in the conversation and they tell the story “their way” and you call them and hold up a CD stating I beg to difffer..Your honor..I have and am prepared to play the conversation right now…
You can hear asses biting into seats.. The Courts and crooks are not prepared to deal with the fcats of the truth…
As I said.. a small digital may cost about $80-90.. but well worth the investment…
October 24th, 2008 at 2:39 am
Because of the nature of “terrorism” Opportunity, alone, constitutes Probable Cause and without
Habeas Corpus, Detention, alone, meets the burden of proof, though cases need not even reach court, when no charges have been brought, no Defense motions can be filed. Its called Disappearing.
October 24th, 2008 at 2:44 am
http://www.law.uga.edu/academi.....olice.html
October 24th, 2008 at 4:12 am
Just avoid them whenever possible. They will twist and wangle any excuse to lock you up if they want to. Not ALL cops are assholes, but enough are that it’s become quite a problem.Got a few in my family. And we ALL know what’s going on.Luckily I am already out in the Hills and pretty selfsufficient.Don’t buy Seeds . Go to the local farmers’ Market etc and dry fruits and veggies.An old skill of REAL farmers is to dry slices of Fruits and Veggies on a windowsill between Layers of Waxed paper for the next crop.The guy on Alex’s show wasn’t Bullshitting you.OLD ladies really ARE buying Hardcore Assault style weapons.I taught My 60 yearold mom how to shoot Mine.I pity any punk in ANY uniform that ever tried to hurt her. She’s a Crack Shot.Women HUNT here.haha. I suspect it will be cities that get False Flagged and Suffer. IF they don’t actually get a Soviet Nuke dropped down thier throats. When that happens? Lets take Washington down. I don’t even want to hear some bullshit about “We didn’t want this to happen! But…………..!” If they don’t want it they sure as hell seem to be sending mixed signals.Go to your local Militia’s website and see what preperations THEY reccomend. When OURS’ needs my Help I’ll be there.As for Radios? Forget those. They would be Jamming all of that.The laws about searches etc. Vary state by state as do the police.Most of them out this way are pretty decent.They know that at the end of the day they live here and are just as mortal as we are.Thermite is a Legal substance here and I keep some for metalworking.Just remember that old truth. “They can’t hurt you unless you LET them.”I’ve seen guys throw cops arround like sacks of potatoes, and thier dogs too.A good kind way to thwart being trampled or gnawed by animals they use agaist you is good oldfashioned Pepper.The beauty of it is that it’s Humane.It’s just a simple deterent. 1st city nuked or the 1st outbreak that goes down will probably wake up the rest of the people still sitting in denial despite the fact that they will only take home 20 cents on the dollar after taxes and expenses which is a pretty good reason to oust the entire lot of them.I know what’s going to have to happen and I can’t stop it.All that I ask is that when we are done ? Can we please deregulate this country back into the TRUE free nation we once were? You can’t even piss sideways without getting ticketed and fined anymore.
October 24th, 2008 at 4:42 am
amen, # 41. amen.
October 24th, 2008 at 5:09 am
#41
“Not ALL cops are assholes”
Yes they are. That is one of the requirements to become a cop.
The excuse that they deal with a lot of crap is not acceptable. If they can’t maintain a civil attitude, then they need to find a different job, NOT TAKE IT OUT ON EVERYONE!
October 24th, 2008 at 5:32 am
Routine, standard operating procedure in California where the US Constitution has long been abolished. You’d be lucky to just be strip searched at random and not beaten or shot by the uniforms
in SoCal.Better be armed at least as good as the occupational forces and shoot first is the only way to solve the problem.
October 24th, 2008 at 6:23 am
I hear that they are interntional black ops but FLORIDIANS BEWARE: I came under surveillance after reporting chemtrails. Cars that sit outside my home return to Critical Intervention Services headquarters in Clearwater, FL. Our police department has checked them out and although they have patrol cars and trucks that say “state law enforcement” and have sirens and uniformed personell……………..they have no, NO jurisdiction to pull you over, search or seize anything. If they try to pull you over head directly to a police station and report it. They are most likely gearing up for martial law. They bring in busloads of questionable guys and are relentless in their harassment………………..creepy dudes, the more that you harass me, the madder I get and I will do more Coast to Coast radio broadcasts about you and updates on sites already carrying this info across the globe. Check out stevequayle.com under weatherwars willthomasonline.net under chemtrail updates and uaff.us for my photos. You messed with the wrong, sweet, christian, mom and RN…………….cease and desist or it gets even more ugly………………………Pamela aka Sandra in the story
October 24th, 2008 at 7:34 am
Thank you Pamala,for standing up under persecution.
October 24th, 2008 at 7:40 am
#35
statutes and acts are not LAWS
But we are getting there in [regards to knowledge]
Good to see……
October 24th, 2008 at 7:41 am
we have some thing called the Patriot act it makes all this OBSOLETE
October 24th, 2008 at 8:01 am
Poster 48 is correct. The police will lie on you and maybe give you some pain or much pain till you comply. There is no United States of America just Amerikkka.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:34 am
Wilson and some of you others are right. The patriot acts made all of the suggestions obsolete. They can now make you “disappear legally” for indefinite periods of time at their whim. And soon they will do just that on a large scale.
Our minds want to cling to the old America. We just don’t want to admit that it is gone. We can’t comprehend it. But it’s true. YOU NO LONGER HAVE ANY RIGHTS!!!! That’s gone forever unless we take them back. Get mad, get serious and then plan to fight. It’s all that’s left.
October 24th, 2008 at 9:40 am
Sue these pigs for billions (not millions) BILLIONS of dollars out of principal!
October 24th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Just be polite when you are dealing the police and show them respect and say “yes sir” or “no sir”!! they love when you act like they are totally in charge!! But if you give them lip or get an attitude with them; they will see this as an occasion to unleash their evil fury on you!! For the policemen and policewomen are always wanting to prove how tough they are!! But most of them have always wanted to hurt somebody legally!! And when they come up against me; sometimes the devil will get in them and I have had them to pull out their gun on me!! And the devil was telling them “”go ahead and shoot this blank blank blank!!”" (curse words that I cannot say)!! But then God will not allow them to shoot me and it is all over!! But now days; many of them will taser you or shoot you for no reason because they want to impress the globalist devils who are looking for killers for their coming new world antichrist order!! All I know is; I HOPE YOU ARE ON GODS SIDE and won’t take the antichrist beast chip that is on its way!!
October 24th, 2008 at 9:52 am
just submit….submit to the worshipful masters, just disgusting.
October 24th, 2008 at 10:15 am
honestly lets start calling cops public servants and put them back in their place
October 24th, 2008 at 10:41 am
thank you, when i when to vote the police told me i can’t wear a pin . i said ok, i’ll put it in my bag or pocket. The police said no, put it in the car.so, i did,came back.his face he could’nt beleive it.GOD is always in my mind.GOD protects me from bad because I’m good . Thank u! Thank u!
October 24th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Well, good luck. My experience is that if you tango with a police officer, you lose most of the time. I think it’s bad advice to lock horns with a cop. It’s better to choose your battles, and fight the system on a different level, not on I.D. Check level, or whatever. At the very least, you’ll be given a ticket, and you’ll have to take your personal time out to go fight it out in court, and then you’re subject to whatever judge you end up with. At most, you’ll piss off the cop, and he’ll turn really nasty and ugly, and you’ll lose there too…..Finally, police officers are people, just like all of us…some are good, and some are bad. Some are smart, some are not so much. I for one, and thankful that there are cops out there, because if any of you cop haters have ever been robbed or rolled, I know you weren’t hating at that point in time…….Let’s just give these guys a break…they tirelessly work hard to keep us safe, and I’m sorry if some of you got mad from being pulled over, or you have ego issues that create resentment at the notion of somebody having control over you. You can always go move to the woods, like Theodore Kaczinsky, and drop out of society.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:00 am
In response to post #52… Maybe money itself IS the “mark of the beast”. You have to have it to acquire the goods necessary to participate in this beastly society. Perhaps the beheading upon refusal to accept the mark is just symbolic of the suffering one can endure without money. Where in the Bible does it say to take everything literally? Is it not like poetry? Think about it. God likes it when you think about things… it helps your Spirit grow;)
Maybe our SS # is the ill-fated mark?
Fight the Information War!
Hand out flyers and/or DVD copies!!
DTTNWO!!!
October 24th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Why are my posts being blocked? This is ridiculous.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Though spelled oddly, the surety bond issue is valid. Trouble is you have to wade through so
much BS to win! You know, the time is here we have to make some serious choices. We
hope the American people can hold their anger and frustration in check and channel it to
useful activities like Alex is doing. It appears the Nazis fully intend to tip this thing over, so
when they do it comes down to either/or. When the mercenaries are coming down the street
dragging people out of houses it’s too late. Consider and decide now because there are over
8-million already engaged in civilian militias and they will be the last stronghold against total
despotism and slavery. There’s no Constitution now and certainly won’t be then except what
the Patriots stand up for. Decent LEOs and military are getting out. When the time comes
it’s gonna be damned rough, but the alternative is starvation in slave camps. We’ve chosen
to stand… TO STAND! Stand like our forefathers against evil…God forbid but even if we
have no other choice but to use force…WE MUST STAND! Everything depends upon it.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:18 am
What if you left or forgot your ID? You still get arrested?
October 24th, 2008 at 11:30 am
i’ts gonna get like this in the uk if not now but very soon my friends
October 24th, 2008 at 11:42 am
There’s an excellent video on Youtube called Don’t Talk To the Police. It’s a lecture given by a cop who says very simply, DO NOT SAY ANYTHING TO A COP, PERIOD! A must watch for your own protection.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Some states do have ID laws that require it to be shown IF a violation has occured. The problem with this particular incident seems to be a lack of violation. Unfortunately, police are human. How many people do you know that cannot admit a mistake? Well, no surprise that it will happen when those people are cops. As for the idiotic legal advise contained in this piece, I would suggest you start saving money for your fines and court costs if you follow it. The legal requirements for a stop are NOT the same needed for an arrest. If you refuse to cooperate with the stop, however, that is usually a separate offense. So, even if you weren’t committing a crime, your being a stubborn idiot can still land you in jail. However, if you truly know (not feel) that your rights are being violated, then continue being stubborn and fight back the Ghandi way…just remember that Ghandi spent alot of time in jail.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Assert Your Rights.
Everyone in America should carry one of the Cards in their wallet or pocket at all times.
Please see: http://www.assertrights.com
October 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
The law, as established by the U.S. Supreme Court, regarding identifying yourself to the police, your actual 5th Amendment Rights, and your right not to ever speak to the police is nicely explained at:
http://www.assertrights.com.
The downloadable cards presented on the Web Site should be carried in everyone’s wallet.
Two live changing videos referenced on the Web Site, presented by a constitutional law professor and a veteran police officer, should be watched by everyone.
October 24th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
How come americans dont want to organize against this tyranny?? I mean is that all there is out there WE ARE CHANGE?? with it’s few brave members?? Strength in numbers but in a realistic sense the people on this forum (me included) seem to think there is strength in web communities .. Ask yourself if you come to infowars for entertainment to see the trainwreck (america) occur or to really get informed to do something and organize. I mean let’s get real here. BLogs may inform but where do they organize and create something called strength in numbers? The mechanism to contact and organize (the web) is in place .. So who’s doing it on a massive scale?? 2007 I went to new york for 9-11 truth and I was dissappointed in the amount of people that actually showed up.. It seems we got computer activists but NOT enough REAL ACITIVISTS out there.. When are we americans gonna do something real and seriously organize against this obvious tyranny that is out to rob you and your family of their futures.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
What to do when dealing with cops?
Well I can honestly say I’ve had some bad experiences with the cops from young age, up to present day. They have all lost my respect, and it will never be regained. If they try to hurt, harass, or detained me or another family member, ever again with an illegal procedure, or with blatant aggression, I’m viewing you as a prey animal. They have pushed me into a state of mind, where it’s fight or flight, period. I won’t go to some Privately-run, State Prison to be a guinea pig, and gang raped by prison guards. You want me or my family, you better have a SWAT team with no compunction about cutting me down in cold blood. I know I’m over any hesitation, I’ve made my peace, and decided against children along time ago. I have cousins, who will carry the name, but me, I was born a free man and I will die free man. I’m not some soft city boy, who watched too many movies, either, you better run for the brush pile boy, I have no problem dropping you in a dead run at eighty yards.
October 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
borderguardian Says:
October 24th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Some states do have ID laws that require it to be shown IF a violation has occured. The problem with this particular incident seems to be a lack of violation. Unfortunately, police are human. How many people do you know that cannot admit a mistake? Well, no surprise that it will happen when those people are cops. As for the idiotic legal advise contained in this piece, I would suggest you start saving money for your fines and court costs if you follow it. The legal requirements for a stop are NOT the same needed for an arrest. If you refuse to cooperate with the stop, however, that is usually a separate offense. So, even if you weren’t committing a crime, your being a stubborn idiot can still land you in jail. However, if you truly know (not feel) that your rights are being violated, then continue being stubborn and fight back the Ghandi way…just remember that Ghandi spent alot of time in jail.
YOU ARE AN ASS AND PROBABLY A BOOT LICKING ASSHOLE! IT’S BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT POLICE AND THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT GET’S AWAY WITH VIOLATING OUR RIGHTS. THE LAW IS THE LAW IS THE LAW RIGHT? NO!!
October 24th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
thats right think. the police and govt DO rule this land. Love it or leave it you senseless fuck. Next time, pay attention in school and make something of yourself and you wouldn’t be in the position you are. Loser.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Indeed. Leave it by telling the jack boots to shove their totalitarian bullshit right up their asses.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
copy/paste ….
Love it or leave it you senseless fuck. Next time, pay attention in school and make something of yourself and you wouldn’t be in the position you are. Loser.
See how easy it is to flip it back ?
Go around come around.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
LEARN YOUR RIGHTS! If you memorize the fourth amendment and the key points of important freedom cases, they can’t do anything to you. Recite your rights to their faces. Let them know that they’re committing an illegal activity. They’ll think twice!
October 24th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Always be polite and courteous as the police are public servants paid your tax dollars to protect and to serve you from those who mean to do you/ us harm.
But knowing for a fact that the terrorists in-country as well as offshore are now paid our tax dollars and utilized to have the police demolish our Constititional rights leaves them suspect in asking for identification unless you committed a crime!
And since they are going to be part of Martial Law imposed upon our U.S. citizens and legal residents to ruin this United States as a republic to render us under the Military Commissions Acts non-laws, then there is no reason to encourage ’seizures’ upon you or us as long as we remain lawful! -Al Koppel.
Remember what is stated in the article: “ ‘good faith on the part of the arresting officer is not enough.’ … If subjective good faith alone were the test, the protections of the Fourth Amendment would evaporate, and the people would be ‘secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,’ only in the discretion of the police.” (This can not be allowed in a civilized country as it is the invasion of our privacy to put lawful Americans, guilty or not, under the discretion of those who disrespect our laws)! -Al Koppel.
October 24th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
You people talk like perverts.
October 24th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
#76 Hey Al. How’s that boot that you licked taste? We do need to maintain and be collected you cant help the movement if your dead or in jail as part of their felonization of America. Read the book The Secret Freedom Fighter. Know your rights or loose them.
October 24th, 2008 at 6:15 pm
I think that there is something wrong with the majority of people on this website. The man refused to let him see his i.d., for all the arresting officer knows he could be a wanted violent offender. It might have been out of spite that he was detained, but he should not have been so cock strong on not showing him his I.D.. There are ways of going about protests and there are ways not this was a good example of how not to do it
October 24th, 2008 at 7:51 pm
#79 Yah dude. One of them could have been Jack the ripper.. or the men who killed Kennedy, or Elvis. Did you see the hippy lookin’ guy? He looked just like a white Osama in Tivas.
October 24th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
READUP ON NAZI HISTORY AND YOU WILL SEE THAT WE ,TODAY, ARE IN THE SAME POSITION AS THE GERMAN PEOPLE WERE IN IN 1936. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS HAD 63 YEARS TO STUDY THE MISTAKES OF HITLER AND BUT USE THE STORM TROOPER MENTALITY TO INSTILL FEAR INTO THE POPULACE. I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU , BUT THE ACTIVITIES OF THE COPS IN DENVER AND ST. PAUL WAS SCARY. LOOKED JUST LIKE THOSE NAZIS WE FOUGHT A WAR WITH. BE AFRAID ….VERY AFRAID OR THE GOV’T WILL SHOVE THAT ” GODDAMN PEICE OF PAPER” AS THE PRES CALLS THE CONSTITUTION UP YOUR BUTT.
October 24th, 2008 at 7:53 pm
#79 P.S. Please never join law enforcement. It is people like you with no discernment that make people like me have to live in a police state.
October 24th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
police will be broke and in the same boat as the rest of us very soon
October 24th, 2008 at 8:03 pm
“Which law says the police should assault people? when the police put hands on you its a crime a lawsuit can happen and bring charges to them as well civil rights suits civil rights laws the police are commonly known to abuse victims …
October 24th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
simple_man #80 (in response to your post)
I think that there is something wrong with the majority of people on this website.
{What would that be? Because some people here don’t think like you? Me? Are we all supposed to be the same ?}
The man refused to let him see his i.d., for all the arresting officer knows he could be a wanted violent offender.
[If he were.. How would the officer know? Most crimiinals patke measures to avoid law enforcement.. If a person is a "violent offender" and facing immediate arrest... he would probably make his move long before this point. I know I would. SHould law enforcement just arrest anyone until they figure out who they are?]
It might have been out of spite that he was detained, but he should not have been so cock strong on not showing him his I.D..
[ A proffesional law enforcement office should be conditioned to deal with people..not excalte situations. I do not like license checks and road stops. They have but one purpose.. Generate revenue. There is nothing physically about them or the results that deters a drunk driver from driving.]
There are ways of going about protests and there are ways not this was a good example of how not to do it
[ You have to make a courteous stand. Law enforcement should be sufficiently trained to recongnize a suspicious acting person. The rule should always fail in favor of protecting the rights of the citizen unless there is an obvious "reasonable cause" for suspicion. No one in a "free country" should be randomly stpped without just cause.]
October 24th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
I am sorry but all bets are off. I keep a handgun with me now when I drive and I will kill any of the criminal police who try to extort money from me with traffic violations. I keep 20 gallons of gas with me to torch the cop car, too. FUCK THEM
October 25th, 2008 at 1:56 am
Those who say: “I’ve wanted to be a cop ever since I was a kid.” are the people who should NOT be police.
October 25th, 2008 at 2:48 am
Tyranny enforcers at work again. They should be ashamed of themselves. Now they wonder why they have went from being loved a few decades ago to being hated.
October 25th, 2008 at 2:52 am
To #85, This is a free country, it isn’t “show me your papers” Nazi Germany.
October 25th, 2008 at 3:25 am
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October 25th, 2008 at 8:13 am
“Do what you gotta do”????? does that mean that the sky’s the limit ?????? Oh, but I really wanted to see Angel enter the forbidden zone and see what happened since she apparently wasn’t there to hear the “order” not to. I have to remember that folks don’t have the “right to argue” in their own defence. Maybe we should take the chem/bio duct tape off our windows and install it on our mouths !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWyQOh64Qy8
goldieshouse.piczo.com
October 25th, 2008 at 9:41 am
#85…troll!!!
im my humble opinion, you said it best yourself “…Law enforcement should be sufficiently trained”. they arent. the average intelligence of a beat cop is low. extremely low. people who are not smart get angry and confused easily. this is why police are asking citizens to give up their rights. police cannot ask you for your id if you anger them, that is an abuse of power. police cannot ask you to stop video taping them in public, that is an abuse of power. police also cannot taser you for refusal to comply, that is an abuse of power and a mild form of torture. anyone who defeds the same pigs who taser the elderly, the extremely young, the infant, the mentally handicapped, and polish immigrants for not speaking english, is an asshole. pure and simple.
October 26th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Are you ready for what’s to come? Are you prepared to shoot? Do you realize IT WILL come to that! Think, really think about what we are in for. Get ready. Good Luck all.
October 26th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
In Georgia they just beat you up and the judge always sides with the cops.
October 26th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
This is quoted from the article “The same proof necessary to obtain a warrant from a judge is the same proof necessary to detain you!” IT IS WRONG!!!! A warrant needs probable cause, a temporary detainment only needs reasonable suspicion(RS). RS is one level below probable cause. this is true in texas. check it out.
October 27th, 2008 at 3:25 am
i live in new york city and was in manhattan when 9/11 happened that very day changed my life forever. Not only did we have to deal with what had happened but we also had to deal with A LOT of police. while on my job i got into it with a cop who gave me a hard time for not having a ID i told him i didn’t have one at the moment and i was a american like him. After a heated debate i ended the conversation with ” your job is to serve and protect me not treat me like a terrorist we the people pay you to do your job.” He ended up giving me a ticket i wish i knew about you guys before.
October 27th, 2008 at 5:51 am
Don’t forget you are dealing in a time where the ‘Authorities’ are attempting to operate on the same platform as criminals. What burglar or rapist wants to be followed around with a video camera.
October 27th, 2008 at 8:20 am
The cops are so out numbered we can stop
them easily. Do what they do back at them swarm them. Every time you see them harrass someone yell and scream draw attention to them film them fight them. Dissarm them strip them burn there cars. Never fight at your own home. Fight back were you can not be known so you can fight another day.
October 27th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Sorry #60 D -Whatever!! But the Mark of the Beast will be a computer chip about the size of an uncle Bens grain of rice and it will have all of your information about your whole life on it from the cradle to the grave!! and they will put it in your forehead or on the bank of your hand. And if you take it; it will eventually turn you into a zombie autonotomic slave of the new world order!! For at first; it will be very useful and convenient and will have a drug like high effect!! But then eventually; they will change the radio frequency waves and codes and you will one day wake up like in the invasion of the body snatchers!! You will not be yourself from then on; they will control your thoughts and your emotions and you will be their doomed robotic like slave!! And then God will totally reject you forever because you are then a child of Satans and his antichrist beast system!!
October 27th, 2008 at 10:37 am
This poem is for people but oft hard to bear,
We hope you consider these warnings and dare,
To help in our struggle against the Cyclops,
Of presidents, directors and military cops!
When we try to spread news of the following/preceding furies,
“Lock them up now!” cry the preprogrammed juries!
So we ask for help from the myopic judges,
Who tell us our lawyers just gave in to nudges!
In cities we see that that government brass,
Lock up people just because of their class,
Police standing around massaging the triggers,
Quoting NYPD, “it’s not just the n_______s!”
(Quoting NYPD, “we’re not just bid-riggers!”)
And when we say please forget not the Poor,
All at once there’s a knock, guards break down the door!
“We can’t allow these to get any stronger,
Then again that’s good reason for sentences longer!”
If they lock up poor people who’ve done no real crime,
Many people in prison, wasting their time.
Real felons, with badges, they always go free,
The facts get distorted mashed into puree!
(The facts get distorted-on the documents cops pee!)
Before we move onto other states of transgression,
Of Creedmore we must carefully mention.
It’s a jail for the mental, the cuckoos will know,
How it is used otherwise, the employees will show!
From the bewilderness–thanks for coming!
James Mansfield
October 27th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
FTP
October 27th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
A lot of you are engaging in stereotypical behavior and lumping the behavior of a few cops into a generalization about all cops. Being a cop is not an easy job. There are many stresses that cops endure that we don’t have to face. That doesn’t in any way justify any abuses of power and the egomania that seems to be prevalent in those police stories that are reported on infowars and similar sites.
The fact is there are good cops and bad cops, just as there are good patriots and bad patriots. To hate cops in general is to perpetuate the same negative energy.
Furthermore, all hear from you guys is hunker down, grab your guns, yada yada. How about a REAL solution. Killing anyone is not a solution. Its contributing to the problem. What we need is social reform? Cops take alot of the same ideoligies that they suscribed to growing up with the to the job. What we need is real communication between cops and the communities they serve.
Remember that. Cops are supposed serve the community. Homeowners and renters pay their salaries through property taxes in most cases. When the police depts and government grow beyond available tax revenues that look to the Fed gov’t for funding. And that’s where the disconnect happens. The municipalities are eager to please the Feds so that they receive their funding and the voice of the community takes a back seat till election time rolls around.
But who puts the mayors in office that feed off this Fed funding? Time to start accepting some responsibility for being such a pacifist in our political system. You can’t win if you don’t play the game.
October 27th, 2008 at 5:09 pm
poster 102 every cop ive ever come in contact with in every state detains me for questioning and not once have they ever stated why to me …july 4 this year dwi checkpoint i was detained because i had a cut on my head …and the officers demand i answer their questions when i said no and cited my 5th amendment right i got thrown to ground and searched ……THAT IS BEING DETAINED
craig motyka
cmotyka03@gmail.com
6099779190
October 27th, 2008 at 5:17 pm
I had an encounter with a security guard (not to be confused with a police officer) last month at the World Trade Center PATH station. My crime? I took a photograph on the subway platform. I was showing my mom and a friend of hers around The City.
She told me I wasn’t allowed to take pictures. I told her (and I thank Alex for this): “This is the United States. I can take pictures anywhere I want.”
She then quoted some Port Authority of New York and New Jersey ordinance. I told her, “The First Ammendment takes precedence over your ordinance.” Shen then claimed that PATH (Port Authority Trans-Hudson) considered itself private property.
She backed off by telling me she would have referred me to a police officer but had been working late all day (a double shift, apparently) and wanted to get home.
9/11 was an inside job.
November 4th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Grand_ Inquisitor, ” Cops are supposed (to) serve the community?”
I respect your belief that there are good cops and bad cops, but I totally disagree with your rationale that we are encapable of securing our own life and property without police. They are merely a weak deterrant and that is all. Police do not prevent crimes on the scale to which they are given credit for and definately do not help me defend my property. They do not help me catch the person who had commited a crime against me through their investigating process because that is not the real goal just like protecting me from “bad people” isn’t. Yet we must call on the state’s help to report a car accident, a robbery, a de facto rape, assault etc. If the purpose of having police is to “serve the community,” then who the hell are they serving?
The political process in this country is not the solution. Eliminate the stealing of my income via taxation at the point of a gun by the state and allow me to defend my self and my property. Police are nothing more than objects or symbols that constantly instill fear in a community. Yet children grow up to respect the police because they are conditioned to respect authority in school. The “wild” west and the hollywood movies portraying as such were disinformation to US Citizens to believe it was pure chaos without government and it’s police state.
November 10th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
wait, so if that cop actually said that “you are interfering with my work” and you said that he could walk away and he does….but you follow him—IS THAT VIOLATING ANY LAW? these cops didnt say that and this guy was following, but what if they did?
December 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 pm
WHERE IS THE CALL TO ARMS??? ITS OUR RESPONSIBILITY TO READ AND EDUCATE OURSELVES BUT THE TIME IS NOW TO ACT! ITS ALL WELL AND GOOD TO STOCK OUR FOOD AND BRACE OURSELVES FOR WHAT IS TO COME BUT.. HOW LONG ARE WE TO SIT BACK AND WAIT. THE TIME HAS COME TO STAND AND LET THE POWERES THAT BE KNOW THERE ARE SOME OF US WHO DIDN’T DRINK THE KOOL-AID. WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE? HOW BAD DOES IT NEED TO GET?
December 12th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
#104
Yup!…… Its going to take, personally speaking of course. A fucking Nuke to be dropped on our heads and the plague from Russia, bread lines, rape, murder, burglary , then maybe they’ll quit watching American Idol ??…. Or Leno?
Maybe we deserve to be pillaged ? But time is now, The people that see whats really going on here will most likely make it as a whole.. I believe it will have to be a devestating blow to our country, its also has to weed out the bad guys at the price of a lot of good people.
We will not group together at all until such time, thats why we write on the posts, we have a lot to lose and will not go getting arrested just yet and especially when our voices mean nothing.
So having said that I believe in my opnion that is quite true. Were too cushy, we don’t see war, don’t see what kind of stomach it takes to even start a war, If you have seen American Idol, you know what the competition looks like as civilians go. But, Militarily will be a different story, most likely a fucking blood bath and if that happened, then its a civil war and to the victor goes the spoils. Gov’t vs. American Citizens. I don’t see it, I think we’ll fold. I won’t, i’ll go with my constitution.