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WWII Veteran Freezes To Death In Own Home
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WNEM
January 27, 2009
BAY CITY, Mich. — Officials in central Michigan say a 93-year-old man who owed more than $1,000 in unpaid electric bills froze to death inside his home — where the municipal power company had restricted his use of electricity.
Neighbors and friends of Marvin Schur want answers as to how this could happen.
“Now that we do know it was hypothermia, there’s a whole bunch of feelings that I’ve got going through me,” said Jim Herndon, a neighbor of Schur’s. “There’s anger, for the city and the electrical company.”
Bay City officials said changes are on the way in an attempt to not let another instance like this happen again.
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January 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am
they don’t give a fuck about that old fart, they just want their money
charles Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
yes, you are correct
Wake Up! Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
You hit it on the head! Let’s get something straight though. There are other methods to powering your home. They do take lots of Federal Reserve notes and knowledge. My power company gives me a shutoff notice if I owe them even 10 cents. It is winter here and they can not turn me off though lol.
uchikoma Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Your power company are bastards!
joe e Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
He had the money ,he just had no way to get out and pay the bill.The poor guy was homebound .He had the bill with a 1000 dollars laying on the table ,when officials found his body .bay city has had record cold and snow ,making trael difficult for anyone
January 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
He should have paid his bill, people who don’t pay their bills are with Al Quaeda!
windoman Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Do you know how hard it is to pay your power bill when you are that old, you stupid shit. I bust my ass and can sometimes barely pay mine. You’re an asshole.
BlackFlag Reply:
January 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I guess only young people understand sarcasm.
truthwins Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 2:09 am
That guy was definitely a serious threat to us all! Good thing the power co took care of that son of a bitch!!!
Mark Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Yes, terrorist!
Burn Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Your typical ignorant person. Wait until you’re that old and see how easy it is for you to pay your bills.
uchikoma Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 4:12 am
Your a typical fluoride drinker – unable to recognize sarcasm in text.
Seal Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Thats al-CIA-da!
January 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
More greedy thieves, they could care less about life, just their money.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
SDMadV is a fucking Douchebag. what an moron.
truthwins Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 2:24 am
FYI actually you’re the moron…
uchikoma Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 4:13 am
The amount of people who don’t see the sarcasm or jokes in text these days is worrying. Points to lack of cognition.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Sick bastards..they will get theirs in hell,hopefully by next week!
This is as cowardly and act as shooting someone in the back while they are on the ground.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Absolutely disgusting! Not much more to say – shame on them!
January 27th, 2009 at 11:41 am
FUCKING MURDERS
January 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am
They didnt say anything other than they will talk to people. What are they going to say “too bad”? Remember this guy fought for this country
January 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I think the moron is the guy who doesn’t recognize sarcasm!
Either way, poor people, junkies, alcoholics, old people, pot heads, and gawd dam hippies are all terrorists!
And dam dirty apes!
recog Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
There is sarcasm and Idiocy. You sir are an idiot, so are your other names you are commenting with. People who use sarcasm to cover up their idiocy or lack of tactfulness are Terrorists! And That wasn’t sarcasm you moron.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am
SDMadV !!
Get the cock out of your ass.. this will be you some day
uchikoma Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Another one who can’t read.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Sorry to say, it doesn’t matter. This system doesn’t care about any of this. Freezing to death is better than the starvation thats coming, there will be many more like this poor soul before the idiot American public will take any notice. I have my doubts as to whether they will ever notice or not. My God they still don’t get it after everything that has happened and continues to happen everyday. Besides the people don’t care about their “beloved Veterans”, they put yellow ribbons on cars and squeal “support the troops” and then let the system and the VA rape them as soon as they get home… if they get home. 90% of the Veterans you ask will tell you this. I’ve been fighting them for years and still can’t get anywhere, what BS! As far as they are concerned, thank God he’s dead its one less Veteran we have to ignore or pretend we give a shit about to keep our sorry ass jobs that we can’t be fired from.
January 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
let the wwII vets freeze. but let the welfare trash sit nice and cozy in their homes with a bag of doritos and a 2 liter bottle of coke between their fat legs.
iraq vet Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 11:49 am
This is what I have to look foward to I suppose. Oh wait, the depleted uranium inside me will ensure that I don’t make it to 93, so I guess I need not worry. God rest that man’s soul.
recog Reply:
February 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
No, the Depleted Uranium will keep you warm. (SDMadV, this is sarcasm.)
January 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
The utilities company involved should be put on trial for man slaughter at the least. Sounds like premeditated murder to me though. People, when are we going to stand up on our hind legs and take back the power from corporate assholes and government criminals? This is absurd! We are the people, the citizens, the families and individuals that make their goods, buy their goods and deserve to live without all this serf mentality. Make it clear to all that the oppression will NOT go unanswered. WE ARE NOT YOUR SLAVES!
January 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
let them know what you really think
Bay City Electric Light & Power
900 S. Water Street, Bay City, Michigan 48708
Phone: 989-894-8350 Fax: 989-893-7121
January 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
SDMadV was being sarcastic…anyhoo, welcome to the loving arms of our corporate masters.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
“Anyone” who comes onto this comment board who says TO HELL WITH THIS VET is cointel/provaceteur/government schill. Just wait… this life is temporary, ETERNITY IS FOREVER.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I nearly forgot…Young people, rich people, little people, gay people, straight people and especially infants and toddlers, ALL WITH AL QAEDA!
LE ‘EM FREEZE!!!
January 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Obviously it sucks what happened. But how is the electrical company at fault- morally or legally? If someone doesn’t pay their bill it SHOULD get shut off.. shouldn’t it? Am I missing something? Otherwise everyone could just stop paying their bill and continue to receive electricity.
If you want to make the arguement that there should be some kind of government assistance system in place to help these people out.. then fine. I agree. Let the governent pay their bill, but the electric company should have nothing to do with that. They did nothing wrong.
Maybe blame the family. He was old. His family should’ve been looking over him.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
yeah but be a crackhead whore with 5 children getting food stamps and sitting on your ass all day having never contributed anything to society but more mouths to feed and the topsy turvy US government will wipe your ass and your kids asses as well. military, it should be obvious by now they need you to fight their illegitimate wars for them but after that, get the fuck out of their faces, you’re worthless to them.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
I have mixed feelings about this article. I think both party’s are at fault here. Why didn’t the old man call his family or somebody to help him. Seems weird to me. It’s sad though when something like this happens.
What choice did the power company have? The guy wasn’t paying and owed a large amount of money. Pay your fucking bills and this shit wont happen to you. IT WAS OFF FOR TWO DAYS!!!
January 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I’m with David, why are we bailing out the banks. We should fire the Fed.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
To FGTFJT: get a sense of humor!
January 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
KJ,
I see right through your act. (ignore)
January 27th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
The poor guy probably out lived his entire immediate family and had no one left to financially or emotionally care. Maybe no one knew. Some men will not reach out for help, no matter what.
Makes me think that my dogs make better people than some PEOPLE. At least they CARE.
FTNWO
January 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Well lets get this straight shall we, you want less government-but when someone feezes to death now you want company’s and/or government to help, have your cake and eating it too are we! it just shows we are not capable of fighting back. when push comes to shove most will give in to the ones who plot these things. lets say they gave him free gas/electric do you know how many other (needy) people would come out of the woodwork!
January 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Could be that if the old man did not ask for help,it was probably due to pride. There are many out there who still have a sense of pride about them and dont want anyones help. There are also many out there who would rather parish than come out say I cant make it anymore.
Now I do beleive that they should have a system in place that would alert the Power companys to possible problems such as this. One that could keep track of the elderly or even the disabled. It could send up red flag warnings that the person may actually need help. Hell send a rep out to check it out.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Those Mother Fuckers ought to be strung up by the necks and hung on the town stree lamps.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Heres another idea that could help. Its similar to a tax deferment.. If the elderly 65 or older are having a hard time with paying the bill. Let them setup a deferment arrangement. basically there would be a lien attached to the property and in lieu of payment.. Upon the persons Death or Upon the sale of the Home. The payments would be take out of the sale of the property to pay back what was owed.. Of course there would be simple interest applied. Its an option to think about. Ask your local reps if they have anything like that.
January 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
It’s obvious that the power company took no extraordinary action to determine if Mr. Schur had friends, family, fellow veterans’ organizations, local churches, et al, who could offer some form of financial support to prevent such an abominable death. I guess it couldn’t be justified on the company’s expense account..the act of taking time to actually HELP someone, I mean. Let’s face facts..we’re all just numbers on a balance sheet to these fiends. This was also a perfect microcosmic picture of the world, today; we’ve all been divided, desensitized. We don’t know our neighbors anymore. If someone approaches the average American with some need, the average American will advise the supplicant to “go to the government..don’t bother me”. It’s all very grim and heartbreaking. God pity us! Semper Fi, Chris in Colorado
January 27th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
This is somewhat unrelated, I would like to see a survey done to see how many of the recent thousands of fired workers voted for Obama and what they think of him now. Gotcha, gotcha good.
And now the show begins.
Jim
January 27th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
These electric companies really have us over a barrel. In my state they sent us a letter last month telling us they are raising our elect cost. If you paid 110$ you’d now be paying 135$.. that or food? They say they are doing it to build a nuck power plant that will make it more environmentaly MO BETTER. I think that’s BS because you know they getting kick backs from the gov (obama’s eco-plan). I live in Fla and didn’t have the heat on one day in Dec. Use very little elect. and my bill was 92$. That’s like my usual summer bill with the AC on! My old winter bill was like 45$. It’s crazy. When summer does come and the heat is unbearable I guess my bill will be over 200$. I cant afford that. Many will die from heat stroke. Many of the old here are on a fixed income and cant breath without AC but cant afford to cool their homes. If there is to be a stimulus I’d rather see it towards our utilities than money to spend on more crap. Not that anyone really cares what I think. We’ll just have to think of something else I guess.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
some places do have laws regarding this situation, when tempatures are below freezing, and prof of children or health reasons, disconnection of electric or natural gas and water most be postponed to a later date, once again these laws are not federal, so try not to miss your bills.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
World war II vet ?? Most be AL QAEDA!
January 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
2nd degree murder !!! HEY DAVE,The reason why the electrical company is at fault,we have no other choices on were we can get our electrical !!
January 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I’d say that old guy was with Al Quaeda. He got what was comin’ to him.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
This is very sad, but there are 400,000 other homeless veterans without a home with heat, living in camps, tents, empty buildings, on the side walks, in cars. In Eugene Oregon and war hero froze to death outside a shelter because he would not convert to the 12-Step religion, thus not allowed in, and the place was a Christian Shelter, INSANE!
January 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
This is a outrage. Looks like his foreign enemies, didn’t get him, but the domestic enemies of the constituition did. I think that when big electricity companies, forget who served and protected there right to even be able to exist, that the ceo of said company should be sent to the electric chair…nope that wont work either… tax payers couldnt afford the bill!
January 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
It is truly a shame when our country or a company values a dollar over a human life. I did not know this man but he was my brother in spirit … perhaps he was anothers father, a son, or a husband. He fought for this country… and he fought for us. Why did no one care enought to fight for him when he needed us. We should all be ashamed. We should be ashamed that we spend more time on this damned computer than we do talking with each other and helping each other.
My thoughts and prayers to this this man and his family. At least now he wrapped in the warmth of his maker.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Just really makes you think about how fucked up this system is where once they serve the country they are forgotten about.
January 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
In Southern California I believe the utilities such as LA DWP have a low-income option for assistance (reduced rate). I wonder if this company has such a plan and if he applied for it. Here the utilities will make a payment plan, accept small payments in view of circumstances explained, etc. Shocking and sad.
January 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Some CEO in charge MUST go to jail for manslaughter!
January 27th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
as someone whose father served in world war II,i find this absolutely shameful.this is not the country my father served.My father would turn over in his grave. By the way,to everybody who’s posting here: understand that the new world order just loves you to death right now.as long as you’re sitting here cussing each other out,calling each other names,argueing with each other,disagreeing with each other like a bunch of infantile,disorganized,moronic fools who do not know your butt from you elbow,it makes it just tha much easier to accomplish their goals.good work guys.you’re making it easier for them.just keep it up.they’ll love you to death.
January 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I thought it was against the law to shut off seniors citizens heat in the middle of winter. Its murder.
January 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
A fitting way to die for someone who fought to protect and defend us in one of the most important wars in human history.
TheGhost Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
thats what i was saying! if we could just freeze all the old people it would free up so much capital!
January 27th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We should all be ashamed that this was allowed to happen in our Country. He was a brother of mine in spirit, and we need to all stand up and never ever EVER let anything like this happen again! My war wasn’t WW II it came later, but had he not fought for us as many others did, we wouldn’t have anything left to lose. I am starting something in my home town, and I hope others follow my lead. I am going to sell screen printed T-shirts, and take the proceeds to help other vets in my home town. Hell, it doesn’t have to be T-shirts. It could be cookies or candy, almost anything inexpensive that folks would buy to help. We need to take care of our own, I don’t trust Corporate America or the Govt. to do that, so it falls on us. Anyone else willing to do the same thing? I hope so. It can and will make a diffrence.
January 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Once you get home from battle, after you have laid down your life for the banker, and you have sacrificed your family and friends and job to help them kill children and women who’s’ only crime is that they don’t want to use their “Fractional Reserve Theft System”, they have no more use for you, and you are not worth shit to them.
But, hey go join the military…at least you know what you can look forward to.
January 27th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
OMG This made me cry. It’s totally crazy. Don’t you get it? THEY do NOT care what happens to us. We are on social security disability and I fear that will not last much longer, the way they’re talking. Whatever this man’s circumstances, he did not deserve this. It is time to form communities to watch out for each other. I still have a place to live, for now, but I would have helped him if I knew. Share what you have and go out of your way to help the unfortunate because soon you might be in their place. Look at all the pets that will be put to sleep because people lost their homes and are homeless themselves. We HAVE to get together and help each other. If someone comes knocking on my door because they’re hungry, I’ll let them in, even though I don’t have much. Time to think about survival and helping others, instead of looking to the gub. I plan on gardening and getting together with friends and family and helping others. I was never religeous but maybe, if there is a God, this is wahat he wants.
January 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
In an ideal world energy would be free, but it’s not. It’s a business. And a business cannot survive if it gives everything away for free. That being said, as long as energy distribution is a monopolized business I believe there SHOULD be some sort of system in place to keep this type of thing from happening. And it is my opinion that the responsiblity of that system being implemented and maintained should fall on the government, NOT the power company.
Am I a NWO shill? No..
Do I work for the power company? No…
Am I a cold hearted bastard? No..
Am I a republican? No..
TheGhost Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
i think you couldve just combined republican and cold hearted bastard into one category..
uchikoma Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 4:18 am
Republistard or Bastican?
truthwins Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Energy is free, always has been. Business is just a term made up so people can be ruthless without being considered so. Very clever… the system is.
January 27th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
OK, I agree that the company shouldn’t have done this to the guy, but wtf is wrong with his so called friends and neighbors that they didn’t help the guy either? Didn’t anyone say to themselves, “Maybe, I should offer to pay the bill, or at least get people to contribute to paying the bill.” Who needs enemies with friends and neighbors like this. We already know that companies are our enemies, now apparently our friends and neighbors are too.
January 27th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Bay City residents need to start a Revolution now and demand the person in charge of this matter be held accountable and be hanged!
January 27th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
They make enough money at the top to give everyone free power and heat during winter…. But no communism isn’t the answer you fucking commies.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Manslaughter. This is just as plane as the nose on your face. What the hell do you think anyone else would be facing if we cut the power off to someones home and they froze to death. Why the hell isn’t someone in jail. I guess that in America now the only way to get someones ass in jail that belongs there is to have a riot. ( BART COP )……….The system is broke and has been for some time.
January 27th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
This doesn’t suprise me anymore- the corporations don’t give a hoot in hell as to the condition of people, they just love that dollar. I think Ben has a point too- where the hell were the neighbors? If you see someone in this condition do you just shake your head and walk on by? Since when did we stop being our brother’s keepers?
January 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I read this story on the evening of Jan 26th on AOL, needles to say I did a search for the Bay City Government and sent them an email telling them what I thought. It’s very sad this happened, and they should be brought up on murder charges.
January 27th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
They should have waited until after the winter was over, then sent a warning notice, and then later shut off the power (if they didn’t recieve the money). Did this poor old man have any neighbours or family who could have helped him?
January 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
ok everyone lets take a look at the fact that most power infrastructure was paid for by the government initially and then turned over to private companies. This is in regard to nuclear power hydroelectric power and further back the coal type. So if we want to compare the so called need to pay for such things lets compare to law enforcement. how many people work for the power company vs. law enforcement etc. Then you could apply this same logic to many more obsolete worthless little government agencies. Then at least I start to wonder why do we pay power bills??? Shouldnt our quiet compliance with the government and its huge budget at least get us free water and electricity? Well no they only want control and could care less about their subjects wellbeing. Thats why you should support your local 81 and none of the fakers that pretend to work against the system. Its the fakie patriots that make it hard for real patriots to get shit done cause you cant depend on cowards.
January 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Yeah!! Especially those gay Al Qaeda, they’re the worst!!
Waiting for the day till ” White does what is right..”
Is it me, or has the world gone crazy??
January 27th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
This is an outrage! A veteran from the greatest generation, who
helped save the world from Fascist, should not have to pay a dime!!!
I watch my grandfather go throught this B.S. too.He was in WW2.These
traitors need to be thrown in jail for murder!
January 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
AND to think all of these money grubbing officals let this old veteran die from hypothemia,is criminal,and have treated all veterans that same way in the time of the veitnam war hundreds of veterans in this nation suffered the same fate but nothing was done about it ,it was totaly sweeped under the table and now the veterans from the iraq war have been getting the shaft from the V.A. well it tells alot how the fat-asses in the government cares about anyone at all weather a veteran or a normal person that is having a hard time,they dont,why do i say that 700 billion dollars were given to cover a bunch of millionaire crooks that cryed bankrupcy and who payed them the very same fat-asses in government ,the point is that what can anyone truely think except that they are a bunch of self serving crooks that are elites that dont give a flying F##K about their own little people that make all they have possible,and to all the new generation when you think about serving this former great republic think about all the veterans that died here in this nation due to indifferance by these fat-asses that run this corrupted nation , and will contnue to do so as long as we let them ,i hope someONE can post this to our noble citizen veterans through out this nation and at least get those fat assed officals in bay city fired the whole bunch then let them suffer the same fate they gave that old veteran ,and that is not even close to what they should get and it isnt a pay raise and benefits,smell the stink its only getting worst by the day. may god take better care of all our veterans than the heartless mother-F##KERS that ran this nation for the last 40yrs and let a hell of a lot of veterans die in total poverty throw away broken toys of war.AND FOR WHAT? SO THEY CAN GET MORE MONEY AND POWER, THESE MONSTERS THAT HAVE TREATED EVERYONE JUST LIKE THE OLD VET THAT FROZE , I AM SICK OF THESE ELITES IN GOVERNMENT LET THEM FIGHT THEIR OWN WARS THE RICH FAT ASSES. AND THEY THINK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO FIGHT IN WARS FOR WHAT? INJUSTICE, GREED, RICH CROOKS IN THIS NATIONS GOVERNMENT. WHERE HAS HUMANITY GONE IN THEIR THINKING?. ONLY GOD KNOWS FOR IT HAS LONG DEPARTED FROM THE VERY PEOPLE THAT SIT IN OFFICES THAT DO GOVERNMENT BUSSINESS. THEY JUST DONT GIVE A CRAP ABOUT ANYONE BUT THEIR PAY CHECKS. OUR PUBLIC SERVANTS. WHAT A JOKE, HA HA HA.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
I would hope that somebody in that neighborhood could have interceded for the gentleman, but failing that, it would seem only decent that the utility could have put a little heart into it, and tried to talk to him about his circumtances. Where I live, the power board offers us the opportunity to add money to our bill for the sake of those who are unable to pay – I do it, not much, not enough to even miss or mention, but I’d like to think that this won’t happen here because of me and others like me who make that small contribution. I don’t even know the man, and I don’t have that much money, but I would have paid his bill – maybe someone else, up there, would too, if that utility earned the right to ask, but slapping shit on some old dude’s box and strangling him over the course of a few days isn’t going to cut it when it comes to earning the good will of the people they serve, and rate increases on top of rate increases isn’t either. I’m ashamed that there are actually people who post comments questioning the moral of this story – no one should freeze to death in this, the richest country in the world, no one, except perhaps those who let it happen to others for the lack of a few bucks.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Man, this is such a GD disgrace it’s not even funny. It was reported on “The Intelligence Report” that this gentleman who defended our Constitution and our liberty had the $$$ to pay the bill, but this “Notice” was posted on his back door he did not use. It’s been cold in that state lately; I see criminal charges coming down the pike if there’s a family member close by.
January 28th, 2009 at 12:29 am
It would have been cheaper to give him the electricity, than it will be to pay off his families lawyers.
January 28th, 2009 at 1:31 am
This makes me mad as hell !!!
January 28th, 2009 at 2:16 am
What the fuck is wrong with you people? One fucking person dies because of the bullshit system we live in and you’re all out of sorts? Human beings are murdered every fucking day by the state, EVERY FUCKING DAY!!!!!!!!!! We should all be this upset every moment of every day with all of the shit that is happening!!! Wake up you tunnel vision freaks!
January 28th, 2009 at 2:20 am
THE POWERS THAT BE DON’T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT YOU, ME OR 98% OF HUMANITY!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAKKE UUUUUUUUUUUUUUPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 28th, 2009 at 3:39 am
No problem guys, the electrical company committed murder, bring them to court, it’s that simple and they’ll be charged.
January 28th, 2009 at 3:40 am
P.S. Love the new message post system; presents the posts immediately.
January 28th, 2009 at 6:23 am
How sad. We have to change this. Our senior cirizens need to be cared for not murdered by greedy poweer companies who shut off their electricity when it’s the dead of winter. God have mercy on us all.This poor man didn’t deserve this. Our country is doomed if we don’t change this. God himself will punish us.
“Deuteronomy 15:7 “If there is a poor man among your brothers in any of the towns of the land that the LORD your God is giving you, do not be hardhearted or tightfisted toward your poor brother.”
“Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute.”
Jeremiah 22:13-17 “Woe to him who builds his palace by unrighteousness, his upper rooms by injustice, making his countrymen work for nothing, not paying them for their labor. He says, ‘I will build myself a great palace with spacious upper rooms.’ So he makes large windows in it, panels it with cedar and decorates it in red. Does it make you a king to have more and more cedar? Did not your father have food and drink? He did what was right and just, so all went well with him. He defended the cause of the poor and needy, and so all went well. Is that not what it means to know me?’ declares the LORD. But your eyes and your heart are set only on dishonest gain, on shedding innocent blood and on oppression and extortion.”
Isaiah 10:1-3 ” Woe to those who make unjust laws, to those who issue oppressive decrees, to deprive the poor of their rights and withhold justice from the oppressed of my people, making widows their prey and robbing the fatherless. What will you do on the day of reckoning, when disaster comes from afar? To whom will you run for help? Where will you leave your riches?”
January 28th, 2009 at 11:45 am
This is why we should all sign up for the army because once you have killed, mamed seen your freinds killed and mamed this is what you can look forward to. Freezing to death in the country you helped defend whilst the politicians carve a big fat bird in their nice warm family home.
If the politicians want to argue let them fight too ! Let them serve and defend their words instead of getting the poor and ill educated to fight on their behalf.
Let it be known that over 2/3rds of Londons homeless population are ex combatants from the Falklands war. Thanks for defending our access to Antartic oil now fXXk off and die of cold in the streets of London. This is how we thank the people who would give their lives to protect us. The West is one big double standards Farce ! It’s not Facism when we do it, It’s not genocide when we do it and it is not lying when we do it.
I am sick and tired of our Lying politicians who are their to serve themselves and big business but do not stop for one second to consider the lives of those stupid enough to fight to make the politicians and bankers in this world a few extra bucks….
For Humanity to progress we must get rid of the people who thrive on conflict. (War mongerers, Religious leaders/manipulators politicians. – They no longer are needed and are defunked, corrupt and self serving.
If the government was really there for us we would not see war veterans freezing to death in the country they defended !
January 28th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
unfortunetly when this gentleman was fighting nazi fascism we were already under a fascist system
because we had a central banking system which is the true definition of fascism
truthwins Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
it’s part of the game… how else would you get people to sacrifice their lives? Only by brain washing. No one in their conscious mind would murder another human. We are taught from birth a bullshit lie about how we got here and what we need to do now to “protect freedom”… what a load of shit.
January 28th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Can’t you see it? They’ve already got Hospice to come in and
murder old people by shooting them up with morphine and
starving them to death.
Now they see it’s an old guy so they hit him up with high
electrical bills and freeze him to death.
The noise of the BRUTE is in the land. Don’t raise hell about
the power company, holler about why his neighbors didn’t
pitch in and help him. Of course perhaps the old fellow
would have rather died than be a burden on his neighbors.
I can understand that completely. His generation was one
of selfless sacrifice. Would to God we had more of those
type now.
January 28th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
While there is Federal money that’s available to assist such individuals, it’s almost impossible for most people to receive the money as there are too many rules and conditions attached to receive the benefit. I phoned the agency local to me and asked how this man could have gotten assistance.
The agency sets its own guidelines for disbursement of the Federal money. You must have a telephone (which many would sacrifice long before heat), you must be employed and the agency must have an “appointment” “available.”
There’s no doubt that this gentleman deserved help, but first you have to go to the state. No agency or 501c3 charitable organization will help until you have done that first. What is the capacity for a 93-yr old to hop buses and get around town to apply state assistance? Likely very little. Next, if you receive such assistance, the state withholds it until a community agency picks up any shortfall. The community agency can then simply ignore the request and use the excuse that they don’t have the personnel to meet the needs of the community. Then you have to reapply for assistance.
What’s most disturbing is the manner in which individuals say things like “keep up on your bill.” The economy is being purposely rigged so that 30% of individuals cannot mathematically do so. If the game is rigged, what’s all this about personal responsibility. They can squeeze us until 50% can’t afford the basic necessities of life and the other half of us will still take a despicable attitude as such.NIMB, so long as it isn’t me, et Al ad infinitum.
If the guy is 93, his working days are likely 30 years past. If he was an average joe, he could have scrimped and saved his whole career to eek out retirement and it still would not have been enough because the dollar has been artificially devalued while prices have increased dramatically. Who can plan for such an occurrence? What if the value of the dollar drops 400% in the next 4 years? Can you plan for that?
Is his fate a just dessert for living too long?
It’s not just the system at fault. It’s the people who allow it to continue, the people who have a “looking out for #1″ mentality. The people that support the system by using dollars and saving them, the people who work for employers as opposed to doing things themselves. It’s every person that sacrifices principles for comfort, it’s those who look to profit from the work and time of others. It’s those who have employees and condemn those people to an inequitable existence wherein these groups of people toil at poverty levels so that parasitic bosses may live well. It’s the fault of an unending array of persons who perpetuate this false system.
Currently we hear the politicians railing on about saving the middle class. Why is this so? Because if the bankers don’t give the politicians candy to give to the individuals (called “community leaders”) who enjoy small luxuries and an illusion of self-determination, the jig will be up.
No one is saying “save the poor” or “save the people from predatory beliefs and unjust laws” – we’re saying “save the middle class” as the poorest people freeze to death. As long as those who hold positions of influence, even within local communities, have their escalades and their hummers and can afford to eat at the local upscale food chains a few times a week, why would they care? They’ve had no epiphany in their lives that causes them to want to be humane to others. To these people, it’s a game, with winners and losers and as long as they falsely perceive they are winning, they don’t care about inhumanities or suffering of others.
If you check that box on your bill to help low income individuals, your contribution will end up in the pocket of a bureaucrat. If you donate clothes to the Salvation Army or St. Vincent DePaul or any of the other so-called “credible” charities, your clothes will be bought by a “smart” middle class individual who has no need for charity and can afford to buy clothes at the store. Don’t believe me? Look at the cars when you drive by the local VOA thrift shop and you’ll see nearly new ones sitting in the parking lot.
It ain’t just the Fed, people, it’s this whole parasitic class of people who could care less if your grandfather freezes to death or if your granddaughter can’t afford the basic necessities of so-called “civilized” life.
off_thegrid Reply:
January 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Great post “Common Sense”.
And you are right, that it isn’t just the gov/big business that is to blame.
The people all around us are just as bad.
In today’s greedy world, our next door neighbor can be a bigger problem than the Nazi’s running the show.
Common Sense Reply:
January 30th, 2009 at 12:53 am
Good thing I learned to be prepared in the scouts, I guess.
January 28th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
If social security did not take 100s of thousands of dollars from him in his lifetime and pay him back only a fraction, he would ave had plenty of money,
Common Sense Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Yes, but is the problem the program,or is the problem people?
January 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
This is messed up seriously
January 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
this dude served his country and then his country fucking does this shit to him what the fuck
January 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
ALEX JONES IS GAY
don Reply:
January 28th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
JK
January 28th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Totally unacceptable. We are having a very cold winter here in Michigan.
January 28th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
The opinions vary widely, but the truth remains the same – love others as you love yourself. You don’t have to be a Christian to recognize the wisdom of the words. If we would all do just a little bit more for the sick, lonely, old and otherwise needy people we know, the government would eventually run out of excuses for taking our money, and their greed and larceny would be laid bare, for all to see. He who has eyes, see; he who has ears, hear.
January 29th, 2009 at 2:48 am
I got one for ya we use most of our roads for free kindof and they cost way more than utilities sure they need repair etc. but the fuel tax does pretty good even if the money is all fake. How bout the fact that if they kill off all these older people that arent rich where would us younger people. most people of the ww2 generation I talk to look at me like what are you waiting for the government fucked us all, go after them take the country back. Sadly most people who become great in our armed forces also loose faith in our system and become homeless just so they dont have to be part of our bullshit system. What they said today about in 2008 18billion dollars went to wall street ceo bonuses(thats a bonus not a wage) really throws it all into perspective. Every year it seems it is harder to be productive in the usa every year the standard of living seems lower I guess really the rich are just getting richer.
January 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
wow… we slip closer into this psychopathic society. nobody gives a shit about anything anymore
January 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
As a war veteran he was aware that paying his utilities or taxes was “funding AlQaeda” so he was waiting to “wash it” through a front company or church to avoid violating the Patriot Act!
January 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Maine is one of them.
January 30th, 2009 at 6:01 am
The Jewish Internet Defence Force is watching you foul mouthed Anti-Semites. You and your fat leader Alexander the ape Jones had better watch your lard holes when talking about Israel.
You Tube is now working with the ADL to have your Nazi films removed.
January 30th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Please stay on this news item. They will bury it if we don’t. I have done worn my finger tips out writing over it , but I need help. Michigan has to have their feet held to the fire. Every type of media known needs a letter or comment from you.
We all know it is illegal to turn off the juice in the middle of winter in nearly the entire northern hemisphere. The municipality of Bay City however is a hold out. Now they are caught in a very embarrassing situation with a dead war hero on their hands. The memory of Marvin Schur deserves better. We can make a difference in this one small case. So let them have it. They certainly have it coming.
The folks in Bay City don’t know any better and believe that it is completely normal to have their power shut off in the winter. I don’t think they actually believe that it is against the law in the entire rest of the nation. The monsters that created this situation and have perpetrated this continuing policy need to be dragged before the cameras and the bright lights of the truth. But they can’t do it alone. Even now the story is fading into obscurity. So help with your interest and letters. Let’s make the bastards pay!!!
January 31st, 2009 at 12:46 am
Im fired up agin, nobody and no man who fought in World War II should have died under these circumstances. Maybe im just another young 30ish Veteran but I fucking understand basics. I come from a small town, in Illinois and decided to live at my last duty station Seattle.
But every time I come back to these fourms My Blood Boil’s a little more, and my blood pressure I can feel it rise in my veins.
No man who was an old warrior should have died for $1000.00 Period its a Matter of RESPECT for human life. I have alway been raised to respect my elders and I raise my kids to Respect Older people they are Tresures of Knowledge for all those who seek Experience, make no mistake about it.
Now for him to be a WWII vet make him a little bit special “I can feel my blood boil as I type” and for these SCUM BAG SOB to do this constitutes in my book manslaughter minimum charge 5-10years and im pushing for 1st degree Murder and were going to bankrupt the greedy SOB’s company and force them to fucking sell. I would love to contribute to a war chest for this, these fucking people have crossed the line and there very choice of words in the youtube video constitutes HIGH TREASON and is deserving of the appropriate punishment.
Now bear with me and read on! Notice that they said the house windows were frozen over right. They dont look Frost over now right? They took the Fucking Money he had on the dam table to pay the bill and turned the dam power back on Im willing to bet my last dollar on it.
Who ever is reading this, this far must be as mad as I am, so I urge you to write a hand letter to the MI AG’s Office and explain your outrage. This is a matter of human life, belive me when I say this, the man worked and fought his whole life and became a little unable to take care of things properly, someday it may be you and if we fight now we wont have to worry about this when we get old.
January 31st, 2009 at 9:23 am
Ain’t no room for us in your alternative nation
It seems you’ve had control for much too long
Your greed and your dishonesty only add to my frustration
Can’t you see the powers that be
Don’t give a fuck about you and me
Somebody better say this ’cause there ain’t nobody trying to save us
Just enslave us and leave us hanging on a rope that they just gave us
Victim of your mistrust
You, your dance, your stupid cash advance
No, I’m not a vctim of circumstance
Not gonna leave my life to chance
Rape the harts of us, the artists
You reap the benefits.
Your pockets, they get fat
While our souls bleed
You’re getting away with murder
“Son, you failed to read the fine print”
Label whores like festering sores
Keep coming back, they got a deal for you
No it’s not just good enough to hate this
‘Cause we all know the ones in charge
Are all so shameless
And wasted energy on the hate defeats our purpose
Victim of your mistrust
You, you take, our livelihood at stake
And ain’t no fake gonna steal my cake
Our spirits much tough to break
Victims of your mistrust
Need to stop and read between those lines
Behind that smile the greed still shows in their eyes
That’s part of their disguise
Don’t believe the lies
The more I learn about your game
The less I wish to be involved with you another day
Just where do we fit in
It looks like we’ll never win
And with the next big trend, the cycle starts again
Don’t let them turn you ’round and fall out of trust
snot…lynn strait
January 31st, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Asd long as little boys
Will be used as dolly toys
For others to take the spoils of war they make,
Every criminal gang,
While sipping and tapping on their tang
Shall laugh eternally as each nation is a fake.
January 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Where nations become united
As such criminal enterprises,
Exploit the stupid and divided,
Until everyone realizes,
Their death is sought and you’re invited.
All men who dress so funny,
And fight battles short-term and puny,
For made up fairy money,
Plundered where it’s not so sunny,
Their life wasted, is so very funny!
February 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Странно видеть, что люди остаются безучастными к проблеме. Возможно, это имеет связи с мировым экономическим кризисом. Хотя, конечно, однозначно сказать тяжело. Я сам думал несколько минут прежде, чем написать эти несколько слов. Кто виноват и что делать – это извечная наша проблема, помоему об этом еще Достоевский говорил.
February 8th, 2009 at 3:26 am
nice touch Jacobs real classy, world going for shit and this is how we remember.
February 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Не очень понятно о чем идет речь, хотелось бы более обширнее получить информацию о данной теме.
February 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Вы знаете, что всякое следствие имеет свои причины. Все бывает, все что происходит все к лучшему. Если бы не было этого не факт, что было бы лучше.
March 19th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Здраствуйте, многоуважаемые пользователи данного блога, которые собрались тут с той же целью что и я. Облазив десятки сайтов на подобные тематики – я решил остановить свой выбор именно на этом блоге, т.к. считаю его наиболее компетентным и полезным для людей, предпочитающих данную тематику. Надеюсь найти здесь множество своих коллег и, конечно же, море познавательной информации. Спасибо всем кто меня поддержал и ещё поддержит в будущем!