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Zeitgeist Addendum: A Critical Review
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G. Edward Griffin
Freedom Force International
October 16, 2008
Hello Mr. Griffin. I’m sure you have heard of the popular movie on the internet, Zeitgeist. It had three separate parts about Christianity being fake, the Federal Reserve being a conspiracy and bad, and that the government was involved in 9/11. Well the sequel just came out, Zeitgeist Addendum, and it seems very dangerous. This movie screams controlled opposition/false solution propaganda more than anything I have ever seen.
The movie starts off with why the Federal Reserve is bad. It seems to latch onto valid concerns that the freedom movement/Ron Paul supporters have been worried about. But its solution is really, really bad and is already sending a lot of people in the wrong direction. It goes on to say that money is evil and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great. All resources should collectively belong to all humans of the world. Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to be free. The world would turn into some utopia. All crime would go away and greed and corruption would go away. We should be a one world community. It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do. I guess we should give up all hope and let bad politicians do whatever they want to us.
It is full of doublespeak, wild assumptions, and crazy socialist propaganda. It also put in more about how religion is bad. I am convinced this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving anything. It puts in just enough truths that we believe in to trick people into following the wrong path.
I think statements about what is wrong with this film from liberty organizations like Freedom Force International would do a lot of good and would prevent some people from going in the wrong direction. Some people might think the best idea is to just ignore it and it will go away. But it appears to be incredibly popular online and gaining support. Even the most popular Ron Paul website posted the video. And the most popular Ron Paul message board has three threads with hundreds of posts talking about it. Here is the video link.
Jonathan, 2008 Oct 6
REPLY FROM E.G.:
Jonathan, I don’t like to criticize anything that is helping to spread the truth about the Federal Reserve and 9/11 but I must agree with the substance of what you have said about this video. I watched it two nights ago and was deeply disturbed by its message. At first, I thought it would be best to just let it play itself out in expectation that most viewers would cross it off as whacky. However, the production value is high, the effects and sound score are compelling, and there is enough truth embedded in the beginning to capture the attention and possibly the trust of many within the freedom movement. So here are my comments on a few items of concern:
1. The information about the Federal Reserve is, for the most part, right on target. However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is fund on pages 191-192 of The Creature.
2. The next jolt came when the program praised Civil War Greenbacks, calling them debt-free. Actually, Greenbacks were contrary to the U.S. Constitution and, although they were not fiat money issued by the banks, they were fiat money issued by the government. That was better than paying interest on nothing to bankers, but they still wiped out the purchasing power of American money through massive inflation. They can not correctly be called debt-free, either, because they represented debt on the shoulders of the government, which means, of course, on the shoulders of the taxpayers. It never ceases to amaze me how people think that the solution to money created out of nothing by those big, bad bankers is to have money created out of nothing by those nice, trustworthy politicians. Yet, that is what this program supports.
3. There is a lengthy segment in which the author of I Was an Economic Hit Man, John Perkins, tells the story of how propagandists in the U.S. manipulated public opinion to support military action against several Latin American countries. Then Perkins says that these propagandists scared Americans by telling them that the leaders of these countries were Marxists who were aligned with the Soviets. This, of course, is a half truth that is just as dangerous as a total lie. It is true about the propagandists and their strategy to scare the public into supporting military intervention in those countries, but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk. They WERE aligned with the Soviet Union and they WERE part of a Marxist/Leninist strategy to dominate Latin America; a strategy that continues to this day.
- A d v e r t i s e m e n t
There was plenty not to like on both sides of that struggle, but objective historians would never depict the Rhodesians (the CFR crowd in the U.S.) as bad guys but depict the Soviet puppets as good guys. In his book, Perkins reveals this same slant. He exposes the foul tactics of international corporations, the IMF, and World Bank, but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them. Perkins is a collectivist aligned with the Left, and that strongly influences his telling of this story. Yet the producers of the video make no mention of this bias and give him an inordinate amount of time to present his slanted view without challenge.
4. Perhaps the biggest insult to our intelligence is the main theme of the program. It is that profits are the root of all our problems today. That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is, but, whatever it is, it will be administered and directed by an elite group, at least in the beginning. I was stunned by the fact that this is pure Marxism. Marx theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed, and then the state would wither away because it no longer would be needed. Sure! We saw that in the Soviet Union and China, right? Yet this Marxist nonsense is exactly what is offered in this video program. It is Communism without using the name.
The profit motive is neither good nor bad. It can be applied either way depending on social and political factors. The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk. Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world – not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated. It is a basic part of man’s nature and is the mainspring of human progress, as Henry Grady Weaver described it in his book by that same title. Throughout history, whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance. By contrast, where social engineers gained control of the state and restricted people from receiving the fruits of their labor, productivity fell, and scarcity was the norm.
The profit motive functions differently in different political systems. In a free system where government does not intervene in the market place, the profit motive always will manifest itself as competition, each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices. That was how it used to be in the early days of America, and that is what led to the greatest outpouring of productivity and abundance the world has ever seen. However, in a collectivist system where government controls every conceivable aspect of economic and commercial activity (the system that now exists in America), the profit motive always manifests itself as a quest for political influence and laws to favor one group over another. The net effect is to eliminate competition in the market place. Under collectivism, success is achieved, not by creating better products and services for less cost, but by controlling legislators and government agencies. It is a system of legalized plunder, as Frederic Bastiat called it in his famous treatise, The Law. Unfortunately, it is the system that dominates most of the world today.
Zeitgeist Addendum ignores this reality. At one point the narrator even says that the greatest evil in the world today is "the free enterprise system." That’s an incredible statement, especially inasmuch as the free enterprise system has been dead for several decades. It lives in name only. The whole world now is in the grips of non-competitive monopolies and cartels that have forged partnerships with governments. All of the evils to which this program alludes are the result, not of the free enterprise system, but of the abandonment of free enterprise and the adoption of collectivism. This program creates a mythological boogeyman and then advocates more of the very thing that has brought us to the mess we are in today.
The enemy of mankind is not profit. It is a political system of big government. Yet, this program is supportive of some of the most notable big-government collectivist on the planet. Marxist/Leninists may be enemies of collectivists in Washington, DC, but they are collectivists in their own right. The Communist model is no better than the Nazi model.
There is much more that could be said about other program topics such as technology supposedly being our salvation, about the a future world in which no one has to work, and about common ownership of land, oceans, natural resources, etc. but, for the most part, these merely are sub issues to the ones already described, so I will spare my readers the pain of further discourse.
In summary, this program does NOT offer a cure. It offers a mega dose of the disease itself.
Ed Griffin, 2008 Oct 9
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October 16th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Your absolutely wrong, and extremely close minded. If you understand the system, you will understand why it much be changed. Stop Judging our earth with disgusting classifications given by our current society.
innerspace Reply:
March 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
It is Y-O-U apostrophe R-E. System understood.
chistopher poulin Reply:
March 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
can everyone let go of being others’ spellcheckers. it’s a waste of time. let’s speak about the issues at hand not someone’s lack of ability to spell correct.
Jebro Reply:
March 24th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
READ JEBRO COMMENT
Ghost in the Machine Reply:
March 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Agreed! The point was: Profit at the EXPENSE of humanity is wrong. When making more money is more important that human well-being, this is what the film addressed. Who is this boneheaded author and what is his agenda?
October 16th, 2008 at 9:48 am
The scary thing is to see how many people – supposedly within the freedom movement – are utterly devoid of what would appear to be simple discernment.
For those still hanging their hat on the first Zeitgeist – Google Video: Zietgeist refuted: http://video.google.com/videop.....0528394775
Bob Reply:
March 21st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
“What must be done however is complete destruction of competition and profit”
Another flawed solution…
So in your hypothetical Utopian society, we should rule out the biological implications then? Are we to assume that we humans are born without the urge to compete? That we do not listen to our hard-coded Darwinian nature?
Well, we were born to compete. We were born to put our genes to the test. As a species, we have a goal to evolve. We will praise the fit and intelligent (we do praise the intelligent) because they exemplify what our children could become. They set goals as tools that can be used by the masses to inspire and shape their children into becoming better then the next guy.
Do we really want a species guided by a thousand year old stagnant society. Do you think scientist would be intelligent if we gave A’s to everyone that attended college, and split all the grant money equal amongst thousands of graduates? We do not award Nobel prizes to the guy that sat on his couch, watching TV for 99% of his life, for getting fat.
In what science fiction children’s story did you find a species that progresses to become the most benevolent, super intelligent, super advanced, race in all the galaxy with a “we are all born equal” belief?
I’ll give those kids about 15 years before they start ripping each other apart, trying to determine who is going to mate first. If anyone wants my inspiration for believing that, go read “Lord of the flies”. Suffering is a fact of life. If that bothers anyone, then I suggest they alleviate it through community service.
The problem is this: We cannot pass Wisdom, nor even Intelligence on to your children, through your genes. So we are stuck with the only “primitive” alternative we have, our Physical traits. Solve that problem, and you will solve your “Non-Utopian Dream”.
October 16th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Survival or death by fantasy. Take your pick.
It’s either the 92 year old Technocrat named Fresco (early member of Technocracy Inc–google it, they were pioneers of the North American Union and the contrivance of peak oil) and his future design plans for us, or facing the cold hard facts which are baring down on us THIS VERY INSTANT. Again, take your pick. It’s only life or death. Pick Fresco and Joseph, or some such other visionary plan, die soon; pick facing reality today as it is, and you have a chance at living for a while.
Ok, so he’s not a current official member of Technocracy Inc, but he’s still cited in their books, and is a darling of the World Future Society – a wing of the transhumanist depopulation crowd for those who don’t know. Who in their right mind would embrace the collectivistic notions of a 92 year old man who says we need to let robots run our lives (as if it could turn out any other way)? Even in the best Singularity-based system, one in which humans haven’t all been eliminated or subjugated Matrix-style, and all the necessities and niceties of existence are graciously supplied by robots and computers, humanity would eventually become worthless, indolent, perpetually devolving Eloi (HG Wells).
His economics are atrocious (much like Tarpley’s). There have been free markets and they worked out wonderfully, but since that’s not vital at the moment, skip it (see Mises). Incidentally, how on earth are robots going to eradicate scarcity? Robots can only do what they are programmed to by mankind. If mankind is conditioned, the robots are too. Garbage in, garbage out. If mankind is inevitably conditioned, then why aren’t Fresco and Joseph? We’re expected to believe they are properly conditioned, that’s all. Which came first, chicken or egg, i.e., who was the original conditioner, and what corrupted them?
Why is Fresco citing Club of Rome “common heritage of mankind” drivel? Who would the Trustees be? How could it NOT be coercive, since it is a Grand Design for ALL MANKIND? Collectivism is intrinsically coercive. What about the Iron Rule of Oligarchy? How will the Trustees avoid that? The idea is impossible. Utterly impossible. It’s one thing to be an idealist. It’s another to form a cult in order to bring about your Utopia–and yes, that’s exactly what this is, a Utopian fantasy. Peter Joseph has a “new” language and a “new” plan for humanity. He’s got his Wiseman. Sounds like a cult. Of course not a single idea here is new. It’s all quite old. Even the “new” conceptual graphics for the Venus Project are derivative. There really isn’t anything new under the sun.
As for Alex Jones’ behavior in the interview with Peter Joseph, it would only appear reprehensible to someone with limited or no discernment. Alex was very nice to the Techno-New Age cult leader. Joseph is indeed the type that insults and then pisses his pants when called on it. Had Peter Joseph never listened to Alex Jones’ program before? What did he expect, a mild NPR-style interview? We’re talking about Alex Jones! His personality is well known! It’s who he is! It was a wonderfully entertaining interview. Unfortunately, it was a complete distraction from our present problems.
Peter Joseph and his technoguru make extraordinary assertions as if they are facts, and then get flustered when we don’t swallow them whole! Particularly about free markets and the Only Plan For The Salvation Of Humanity. Every generation seems to be plagued by so-called intelligentsia who come along with Grand Visions and Ultimate Solutions for The Good Of All Mankind. Most of these meddling crackpots end up completely forgotten and ignored. Unfortunately, those who don’t end up leaving nothing but piles of corpses and ruins in their wake. We’re presently ruled by the second variety, in case you didn’t know, which brings me to the most vital part of this comment, for whatever it is worth.
Peter Joseph says to hell with combating the clear and present danger the elite of the world represent to the vast majority of humanity (depopulation and eugenics). No. He says it’s mankind’s intrinsic conditioning under money–any money. David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger are poor victims of conditioning, don’t you pity them? So instead of looking at the snarling beast right in front of our face, let’s ponder a scientific future. Instead of facing what’s being done to us right now by villains who have names and addresses, let’s just embrace the technoguru’s fight against an abstract “system”. Don’t fight reality. Don’t struggle against the cobra wrapped around you. Just embrace the technoguru and Peter Joseph. Forget about how you’re all going to die of cancer or worse. Forget about your imminent doom. Forget about present reality. Sink deep into the soothing rhetoric of the future. Cart before the horse doesn’t begin to describe this upheaval of common sense! If someone puts a gun to your head and is about to pull the trigger, are you going to formulate a plan to bring about the glorious future you’re going to have on earth once you get rid of an abstract system of guns, or are you going to DO SOMETHING about the concrete psycho with the gun?
Insane. Abominable. A complete distraction.
WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE MURDERED SOON.
If not murdered –
WE ARE GOING TO BE TOTALLY ENSLAVED. We practically already are.
This is not something a hundred years from now. This is not some pretty little socially engineered and planned city or great vision. This is happening NOW! Get a grip. Shake off the sci-fi fantasies. If we somehow miraculously manage to survive the next ten years, there may be time for it, assuming Peter Joseph and his guru have convinced you of their wild schemes to remake all of civilization and mankind in their own image. We haven’t any time for that right now. Future abstractions are irrelevant in the face of concrete realities.
A cult leader–that’s who and what Peter Joseph comes across as. The only criticism I have of Alex is that he agreed too much with the whacko. Any real economy is de facto based on resources. Who said gold wasn’t a resource? Who ever said silver, diamonds, whale bones, or any other medium of exchange weren’t examples of resources, i.e. commodities? Currency, even fiat, is simply another resource, one which, in a free market, merely serves as a medium of exchange and thereby facilitates trade. It just happens that fiat currency is a distorted and corrupt resource, one controlled by villains. Anyone who attacks trade as a retrogressive idea is either a fool or a villain. You cannot simply waive a Fresco wand around in order to create supermarkets which are magically stocked, and from which everyone will simply “take what they need.” The first such pseudo-supermarket would be raided – nothing would be left. “Free food” would be stripped off the shelves. All the foregoing should be obvious, since it is apodictic. And you cannot simply waive a Joseph wand around in order to mystically transform the nature of humanity. Ideas change, civilizations come and go, manmade forms shift, but our NATURE is constant.
Joseph cites getting back to nature a lot. But don’t cats naturally kill rats, in which case, what’s wrong with being David Rockefeller? And what’s so natural about robots, anyway? Very confusing. Hopefully Joseph will produce a Zeitgest to English dictionary soon so I can get all this straight.
Is this mass insanity, or simply fluoride/vaccines/TV/beer/MSG/GMO? Who could take Joseph or Fresco seriously? Thought provoking? Perhaps–only if you’ve never been exposed to idealistic utopian propaganda before. The only component that made this interview worth listening to was Alex Jones (and no, I don’t worship the man).
Do Fresco and Joseph mean well? Maybe in a perverted way, but the blatant lies, dangerously nutty vision for mankind, Z-Day, and 30,000+ Zeitgeist movement make me highly suspicious. Additionally, only the Zeitgeists appear on IMDB. Who is this guy and what else has he edited? Is it even a real name, or just another invented one like Acharya S? We’ve got his photo, so what’s the point of hiding his name? I’m not saying it is a fake name, I’m just pointing out the scarcity of info on this video-editor. It seemed like his being a video-editing “whore like the rest of us” was supposed to be significant, as in some of his material outside of Zeitgeist being well known. Maybe it’s there in a deeper google search, so skip this point too.
The main point is–Do you want to survive the next ten years? That’s the main thing, then we can plan a wonderful utopia for ourselves and change the nature of humanity, culture, civilization, and eliminate fundamental economic laws with a disdainful waive of our cyborg hands. Immediate survival is our challenge now. Later we can stroke our pet robo-dogs in a real-life version of The Jetsons.
Now for the comparative religion segment of the first Zeitgeist, which you can skip if you haven’t already skipped this entire post, and if you haven’t already made up your mind one way or the other.
Critical thinking has flown out the window for most people, the Zeitgeist movement is only one symptom of this. To date I’ve not seen one single non-Freemasonic/Theosophical/Phallus Cult etc. ORIGINAL source for ANY of the key claims regarding Jesus being a ripoff. It’s not about whether you want to believe in Jesus or not. It’s about facts.
Where are the non-occultic ORIGINAL sources for these claims regarding the alleged original myths on which Jesus was supposedly ripped off from:
Son of a virgin
Twelve Disciples
Walked on water
Resurrection
?
Transmogrifying the zodiac into the disciples doesn’t cut it. Morphing someone carrying water into Aquarius doesn’t cut it. Taking the sun reflecting on water is a far cry. Transforming Osirus’ penis into a Resurrection is nuttier than a fruitcake. The puerile sophistry of conflating two modern English words – “Son” and “Sun” – do not cut it. Those are two modern words with different etymologies which do not significantly connect with the ancient original languages we’re talking about when it comes to Jesus. Homynyms are not evidence.
Well, that’s enough for now. Thanks to those of you who took the time to read this.
brad Reply:
March 15th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
its a world where we can live without money, A world where people can optain things for free.
A world where we could Not work for our money masters, our pharrohs. People wouldn’t Go an take all the food because the food would be Controlls by robots, the rules would still apply.
You would go and grab bread and other things and would have to check it out, you could take what you need for your family.
You would also be able to have your own farms and Growing gardens for your food, which I recommend.
The people wouldn’t be so greedy because money is gone. Theres also a thing called Survival and i think you lost that a long time ago because ur so depended on the system. All you need to live is food, water and shelter. Water would be optained the same way. We would need to Devolop technogly that would filter our oceans so we can drink it.
Food we hunt, and our food is animals, Vegis, Fruits. We would have to Take the animals and make them have sex ALOT to feed our needs. WE would have to grow gardens in every household on the planet, for every family member.
Instead of more urban areas we would need to optain more land then Skyscrapers.
Build more farms for food. Have 70 % farms and 30% urban areas because we could Shutdown all the Fastfood resteraunts and useless products.
We would all have to unite to optain this goal, Uniteing because we would have to share equally all resourses,food and water to live on this earth. To unite we would have to forget about RACE, Colour and religion around the world. Religion around the world causes use to seperate, It causes wars on whos religion is better or whos territorys is thier holy land.
Thats why we have Terrorism, because Musilm world hate the Westeren world and its money Pharroh sceme hell hole.
We are the gods, He aint seperated from us. We have a god within all of us who guides us.
FeedTheFire Reply:
March 19th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I think Brad here is on the right path…. not that I agree with everyone wasting their energy debating all this…. but aren’t we all supposed to be the ‘Open Minded’ “Truth Movement”??? There is nothing to debate here… there’s nothing to agree with or disagree with…. it’s just information. The Alex Jones/Peter Joseph ‘Holy War’ is exactly THAT!!! AND…. it’s a waste of time!!! You’re acting exactly they way the NWO has programmed you. Fighting amongst the cattle
I’m no genius…. and personally I don’t believe there is such a thing…. which is why ANY argument is BAD. There are no conclusions to come to…. because NONE of us have all the facts. That’s why you’ll never get a perfect answer or perfect solution. So basically…. what it really, physically, comes down to…. is biological survival… and BOTH Alex AND Peter bring great attention to all of us about that specific, critical issue. There is only one side to choose…. and I can’t give that side a name…. or label…. but you all know that it’s inside of every single one of us…. and unity is the only path we can take to keep it alive.
on da real…… and fo da shawtyz & da hoodz……. ya’ll need ta check ya heads and grow up!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 9:52 am
“Stop Judging our earth with disgusting classifications given by our current society.”
Yeah, we’re just idiots conditioned beyond our control. We should embrace the “new” language of Zeitgeist. Let me know when they come up with a Zeitgeist to English translation. Until then, you’re going to have to communicate in words we all understand, rather than Joseph’s “new” definitions.
October 16th, 2008 at 9:57 am
Alex Jones and infowars has lost my respect and I will now have a very hard time listening to Alex or believing a damn thing he says… If the content in the new Zeitgeist is part of NWO then i’m all for it… We all share this planet and we need to learn how to take care of it and ourselves properly… Shutup and listen for once Alex… You talk to much… Let someone else speak for once… Maybe you are the one working for the CIA… I dunno, but i have lost a lot of respect for you and your ‘movement’… Peace to your face and get over the whole ‘jesus will save me because i’m alex jones and that makes me right and you wrong’ bulls---…
October 16th, 2008 at 10:00 am
hey I have a suggestion, a little mega dose of disease of my own, if you will. Look at where humanity is right now, and i mean really look as in look outside of your narrow field of scope (of which you obviously believe is quite large). Do you honestly see things getting better? Do you think we will ever get to the point where the government and the reserve and the nwo says “you guys were right, our bad” NO!!!! I absolutely love how you guys are so quick to shoot down anything that is contrary to your little movement, YOUR movement is the f---ing fraud. I just want facts, and all I getting is you f---ing ninnies shooting down the only proposed solution i have seen so far. So you mean to tell me all of the other movies that are strategically put on this website are the right movies to watch and this one is the wrong one because it proposes a solution? f--- YOU! you guys are becoming just as bad as they are and your failure to see that it has gotten to the point where there’s no going back makes me question this sites origin and intent. You want your religion, you want your money? Fine. I don’t know what the long term solution to all this madness is, and neither do you so shut the hell up. If you think this film is so dangerous then you give me a better alternative that isn’t going to go to s--- in another 100 years also. ??? Waiting???? Nothing????? Thats what i thought. Humanity is beyond the point of return, its gotten to the point where a radical change needs to take place. I’m not saying this proposed “utopia” won’t have problems of its own, or if it will even work. But but its better than what i’ve heard from you f---ing zionists
Myfriendscallmetiny Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
The problem with Z.A. as I can see it is the foundational structure on which its is based on. It draws heavily upon the ideas of theosophy which is very much a religion. The opening and closing scenes are one of Charles w. Leadbetter who was an ardent supporter of theosophy and many other belief systems that many would consider incompatible with the “purely scientific” approach being proposed in Addendum, so the credibility of the documentary is very suspect – so why throw your weight behind something that is suspect. I believe that our original form of government which started dramatically changing after our Civil War would probably work well even in todays world, if we would return to it. The problem that stares us in the face today is one of neglect by the general population, over generations we have generally have been conditioned to relinquish more control to “others” who are pitched as being better suited for that task, while our founders clearly warned us that such an exercise would guarantee the dissolution of our country and enslavement to a few. Civilizations ALWAYS go through the cycles that we are going through – we are now beyond the point of going from complacency to dependence upon the social controllers, there is no MAGIC pill or pain free fcrmula to fix this. We let the tumor grow to enormous size, we either cut it off or we die. We have 2 options further complacency and subjegation and future elimination under a corporate oligarchy or the pain of resistance – in order to return to LIMITED govt. and accountability we THE PEOPLE will have to forciably reclaim it. Its up to you to decide – but please base your decision on something sound and not “good sounding” . Oh and by the way in this down economy one of the best stocks right now is Sturm Ruger. It seems weapon sales are off the charts – I suppose people are figuring out which path to take.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am
Well, first you do have to consider that these are not necessarily “bad” ideas. They are right in the sense that money causes power and greed, but you are right when you say that profit is a key foundation in a functioning society. I have not yet seen the movie (though i have seen Zeitgeist the original) but it seems from what you are saying is that the overall message of the movie is that we must stop being so worked towards the act of making money but to simply live life. It sounds as if this movie is trying to say we don’t need a system of private anything and that the people can live without a private world. This if your not aware is also a ideology of anarchist thought (but keep in mind anarchy is NOT communism they are total opposites). I think that the “values” that are portrayed (from what i can see) would work on a small scale society for example the factory communities of Spain during the revolution, but on a national or even international scale i believe we need a system of profit to keep competition and the economy running. However you forgot to mention that when the government didn’t interfere with business production may have gone up but the workers had terrible conditions and business had to much power. I’m not saying by regulating everything we fix the problem but we need to find a balance.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am
Thank you for valuable information.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am
alex jones and this site are shills….the government takes out anyone who speaks without their authority…and yet this site and those involved only keep working and selling you thier fearmongering videos…
Myfriendscallmetiny Reply:
March 7th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Thanks for more fear mongering – Fact is – the more of us they “take out” the stronger we become and so in the spirit of Patrick Henry, I hope the fetters you have forged for yourself fall lightly on your neck and the boots you will lick will be nice and clean – enjoy your servitude.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:02 am
this guy took alex huxleys warning and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread.i heard him on the show yesterday, he is a baffoon. overly intellectual, and no knowledge of how the real world works. he never retracted his falseities about christ, he was not born on 12-25, the vatican manipulated all holidays to fit their pagan holidays.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:04 am
by the way Daniel your totally right
October 16th, 2008 at 10:06 am
You want to know the difference between Alex and Peter? Even though both of them realize the negativity and destruction within our current system. HOWEVER Alex seems to somehow think that we can manipulate a system that we do not control. People must see that everything EVERYTHING is controlled by the Elite Families. Alex is making great strides in his attempt to save people from the system, but at the end of the day the bigger picture will still be a complete police state. Peter Joseph is looking at the bigger picture, Everything ever created, whether inspired by religion or not has been from human creativity and technology. We need to have a society that represents our understanding of the world. O, and for the record. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A UNIFIED WORLD, Once that Unified world is not CONTROLLED BY A GROUP. The research this man has put in to understanding the basic flaws of social progression is astonishing and all relevant.
Alex and everyone here, with all due respect, you are thinking of our current situation, with problem solving based within the limitations of the current system. We have to acknowledge that this empire was built by men, and without their money, there is nothing that separates them from us. Its a Society built and manipulated to control. It has Failed. Look at the bigger picture. And Alex please stop putting down Zeitgeist, you both fight the same cause, in motivating people to think for themselves and question what they are told. Its time to stop segregating our world more than we already have.
Nicholas Reply:
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Finally someone has something intelligent to say. The message Zeitgeist is attempting to convey is that a truly free society is not based on a monetary system. If money is the backbone of our society, regardless of how sincere our leaders are, greed and corruption will always exist.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Complain all you want. Zeitgeist has been discredited and alex know what he is talking about. It’s the same zeitgeist crap religion that was proven wrong decades ago and he will answer to it when he gets shot.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:10 am
This article is crap! First the movie has no obligations to providing any cures for any social diseases. Second Mr. Griffin, what cure do you have? I knew it! Nothing! So shut your stupid trap! As for the movie’s suggestions, it makes complete sense and unfortunately your neanderthal mind can’t seem to compute the message!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:10 am
This article is crap! First the movie has no obligations to providing any cures for any social diseases. Second Mr. Griffin, what cure do you have? I knew it! Nothing! So shut your stupid trap! As for the movie’s suggestions, it makes complete sense and unfortunately your neanderthal mind can’t seem to compute the message!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:16 am
I think Alex made a perfect point yesterday. Although Alex and I agree with most of was is portrayed in the new Zietgeist, one must understand that the NWO is pushing for a future like the one described in Zietgeist. The only problem is were not apart of it, they wana wipe +90% of us out in order to have a tech society. So the answers are not so simple if u factor in what the NWO is doing against the sheep, lol we cant just get ride of money… and btw evil is real, if theres a god theres a devil, if theres good theres evil. simple
TheGhost Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:35 pm
good and evil are irrelevent concepts invented to describe behavior that is favorable or deplorable depending on your perspective.. its all economics homie, everything
Featherstone Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
This attitude is a direct result of NWO and its Outcome Based Education system. This is how the system wants you to think in order to be most easily controlled and manipulated into self and other destruction. Good and evil are not arbitrary and there are degrees of each.
“Good” is constructive, positive and serves to enhance the existence of more lives than not. Bad or “Evil” tends to harm, lessen or put at disadvantage more lives than it helps. Think about it. It’s not difficult.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:17 am
It is a very good movie with “one” possible solution for the next step in Humanity. We are slaves to the monetary system. the average joe needs to work two jobs just to own property while the elitist don’t work at all for 20 properties – better ones at that. Things are going to have to change.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:17 am
I have not seen the Addendum, nor do I wish to. The way I perceived the first Zeitgeist is that is was another point of view, take it or leave it. Maybe the content was true, maybe not. I believe there is false points to every matter. It is the perception of that, that creates the truth or designates it as false.
TheGhost Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:04 pm
i think that a good portion of everything we’re told to believe as a part of the “truth movement” is controlled filtered information.. its simply a matter of collecting every piece of information and putting it through your own bulls--- filter.. for instance, in the second ed. of loose change, they claim that two missiles hit the towers, each from the two planes.. now i saw a missile from the first plane but not one from the second, as the movie suggests.. i dont think they shot off the second missile primarily because they knew that after the first plane strike, a second missile would be seen by alot more people.. thats why all the cameras all over the city were shut off that day and why the ones that werent had their videos confiscated to eliminate the videos showing the first missile, the second missile was placed on the plane as a precaution but it was never shot off, thats why we can see it sitting on the underside of the second plane before the plane hits the tower but why we dont see it shoot off.. the folks who pulled off the attacks were watching the targets and projectiles simultaneously, and most likely guiding them via remote control.. cheney and crew just had to keep our military on stand-down long enough for the attacks to take place
October 16th, 2008 at 10:18 am
I have to agree with Arhangel 100%.
The “Liberty Movement” is more like a bowel movement. Smelly and full of crap. A bunch of rabid Christian lunatics, who have no real vision beyond: BUY GOLD AND SILVER!!
Yeah, that’s the answer to all the problems.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:20 am
WTF is wrong with you people? Peter Joseph (during his interview with Alex) was level headed and presented his point of view with respect. Alex was being a DICK! Really turning me off. AND WHATS WITH THE LOOPING SPY MUSIC?!?! This movement is not going to grow by chewing off the heads of you comrades.
From what I could understand from Peter Joseph’s arguement, it seems he was trying to say that we need to transcend the monetary system. lose it as a VALUE system. What is wrong with that Alex?
October 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Rude, condescending, unprofessional, temper-tantrum. Alex, you went into the interview with Peter Joseph with an attitude. Why did you even have him on the show? Here lately, you have been rude to callers and guests, but this one took the cake. You’ve lost some of your following and most assuredly will lose potential listeners should they hear this latest interview. I thought you had more journalistic integrity. You’ve set the Truth Movement back with your childish behavior.
I could practically envision the foaming at the mouth with your primitive grunts and ranting. If your goal was to disprove the Z Movement, you’ve done just the opposite. Mr. Joseph maintained his composure and professionalism while you insulted him. I may not agree with his ideas, but I disagree more with the way you treated him. I think you owe Mr. Joseph an apology and another interview.
Do it after you take a vacation. You need it.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am
The guy says we need to “trust more in technology” which is BS! I can say most of us will agree that we were made by a creator. The author is going to have a hard tiime looking into Jesus’ eye and telling him that He doesnt exist. Every knee shall bow, and tongue confess. That guy is just full of it. Alex is much smarter than him..
October 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Alex acted like a spoiled child that got his little feelings hurt because someone else was getting more attention than he was. I really wanted to hear what Joeseph had to say. this seems to be the norm for Alex Jones, It is if he gets offended if someone else has a diffrent view than his own, Listening to the rants of Alex really places no credit to the 9-11 truth movement and for removing me from the forum for posing a different view than his proves with out a doubt that There is no free speech on the Alex Jones Show. If the Banks are so evil I ask this question. How did you purchase your home are car did you pay cash for it or did a bank loan you the money allowing you to live way above your means with out the banks you would have to pay cash in full for any thing you buy allowing only those that have to own any thing then you truly would be a slave.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Im sorry Alex this guy is way above your head !! Your to Bible driven and hes right 95% of the time. Im impressed this guy is very smart !! He makes perfect sence.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Zeitgeist seems to me a good litmus test (those who are big fans /worshipers of it) for showing who might jump in front of you in the Kool-Aid line (Jim Jones flavor). As Ed Griffin wrote, the solutions are wrong. You need to have a broad-spectrum of knowledge and also the discernment capabilities to know what is truly good or not. The major of us do not have either. Ed Griffin has probably read more in the last week than the vast majority of you in your life, plus he has the discernment.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:24 am
Alex i thought you were smarter….Youre obviously not. for someone who loves truth you sure run from it.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am
I read G. Edward Griffin’s “The Creature from Jekyll Island”. The Creature is Zeitgeist.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:26 am
You pathetic scared little minds. This movie is the real thing, one which Alex the faker and rest of you fakers cant even understand because it blows your perception to pieces.
Theres a reason why you are so opposed to it. You are controled by someone in whos interest is to scare people.Just because someone just educated you with simplicity and logic without fear and paranoia you dont have to jump on their throat. What is the threat to you? ZEITGEIST!!!!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Zeitgeist Addendum appeals to a sub conscious level emotionalism and the hypnotic music, as well as the hands forming a pyramid with the sun shining thru should tell you it is from the ‘floating capstone’ guys. Floating capstone/all seeing eye/ sun god rays shining all around. Same symbol here, right in front of you, held on camera for a long period of time. Did you put it together, truthers?
Illiminati/Masons/Zionists, ruiners of this planet.
They want to lull you into a dream state (the music) so you will turn off your ingenuity, creativity, thought processes and ambition. You will then be, at the very least, at the mercy of the machines-seen any movies like that? They don’t bode well for the humans in them.
Wake up and don’t fall for emotional appeals, if it walks like a duck, it ain’t a steak!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Archangel did you watch the movie? Did you see the crap about a “venus project”?
sheesh.
I agree with the article mostly…. Free enterprise capitalism & communism or any other ism always have to operate within sets of rules so they are utopian ideals….. In practice the most fair and workable system in this day & age is the free enterprise system but unfortunately the corruption on wall street & the US govt have really made a mess of it lately.
In practice I’d say that communism is the most dangerous & impratical form of social system…… Zeitgeist promotes uber communism but does not even address what went wrong with previous communist contries……. it’s propaganda ladies & gentlemen.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:27 am
this article ain t crap………..!!! It is true that the so called solution presented in this film is unreachable at the present time.
The Venus project is fantastic but hold on!!! let us not go too fast…..
First we need to understand that indeed money is evil and source of all our misery on this planet that s a fact and we can easily do without it.
How do we get there you’ll ask ?
Be at peace with yourself and truly love yourself only then you will live in harmony case we are the universe and all its knowledge is within us….WE ARE ALL ONE, a different expression of the same love vibration …..we are MUSIC because all matter is made a harmonic frequencies all vibrating in various ways.
MATTER DOES NOT EXIST WITHOUT A THOUGH…
A THOUGH IS AN ELECTRO-MAGNETIC IMPULSE FROM YOUR BRAIN THAT IN TURN MAKE MATTER MANIFEST….
Wanna know more…????
http://video.google.com/videos.....q=dr+len+#
October 16th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Supressing technology makes no sense. we need to roll out technology even if it means reducing prices down to penuts.
Alex lost a TREMENDOUS amount of respect from me yesterday.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:28 am
That inverview sounded like a bunch of kids kicking dirt in each others face on the playground, shouting who was a bigger poo poo face. Absolutely ridiculous!
They both bring up great points in their movies, but even they are not “the absolute truth”. We can decifer it for ourselves… thank you very much.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Consider the source. When anyone has no knowledge of Order in the universe created and maintained by a higher power the only course left is to center on failed, flawed humanism.
You can’t mix oil and water, and it is useless to argue with those whose eyes see only
with the flesh, which is constantly dying, instead of the spirit which is eternal. It’s pitiful to
listen to the same reasoning over and over which must lead to failure because of the
inherent depravity of mankind. Those who insist that humans can somehow evolve into
little gods if they only have the “right environment” may have the highest intentions but
are still deceived. THERE IS NO ORDER, GOOD, JUSTICE or LOVE WITHOUT GOD. Man
does not possess the ability to contain himself without the constant influence of his spirit
being guided by the Greater Spirit who created him. Religion IS tradition, trappings, and
hokum. But mankind may have a RELATIONSHIP with their Creator without religion.
It was frustrating to listen to the two men argue yesterday. Each had valid points, but
fact is you can never mix the God-centered view with the humanistic view. Like oil
stirred up in water, they will eventually always settle out separate. Perhaps we might
be better served by putting scenarios like yesterday’s debacle over Zeitgeist and the
current “election” (sic) aside and get back to fighting the NWO. Just a thought.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:30 am
I watched the first Zeitgeist quite a while ago. Since I had previously abandoned my Christian beliefs, the first part did not offend me. If Peter Joseph really wants to make an impact, it’d be wise to instead change ‘Zeitgeist I’ so that the first part is merely an overview of how religion is used by government and society at large to control the population. The second and third parts are fine as is.
I watched the addendum, ‘Zeitgeist II’ I’ll call it, over the weekend. The first hour was great… and then the second hour… I can understand the desire for a utopian world, but flat out, the mainstream population of sheeple are not ready for such a concept. He should’ve left it at “we’re wage slaves” and left it open ended. To push the utopian/communist agenda just blew this whole thing out of the water. The mainstream will never swallow it.
I’m still a fan of the Zeitgeist flicks, but seriously, why not edit them in the fashion I’ve just suggested and make them palatable for the average Joe Plumber? That would be the most effective way to open the eyes of the sheeple.
Zealotry just makes the movement look like a bunch of whack-jobs; furthermore, with the way the stasi are sure to clamp down, soon, we’ll all be considered homegrown terrorists and will be thrown in their death camps. At LEAST try to make these flicks feasible for the masses and give us a goddamned chance!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Thanks for the 411 Mr. Griffin. I’ll ignore the movie and advise others to do so. But please tell the producers of the movie that it’s actually the love of money that is the root of all evil. You’d be crazy as hell to run a society without money or ownership of your labor.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Alex made a complete fu*king ass of himself with Peter Joeseph. Peter has been one of the finest guests on the show .. his patience and clarity was many times that of our Austin poobah. I got on Peter’s website and made an apology for Texas.
I remember Alex tried to run over Mike Rivero in the first encounters. Not sure .. must be jealousy on Alex’s part. He clains he in neutral and likes to have comrades in the truth movement/NWO battle .. but sometime I wonder.
Peter’s movies are better productions.
Alex get a few beers on 6th street and chill the hell out!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Alex Jones and the crew are really going all out on Zeitgeist.
What Alex is doing is very dangerous because the Zeitgeist Movement and Alex Jones are essentially fighting the same thing…just in different ways. And saying one is the right way and the other is wrong will paralyze the fight for freedom. This is exactly what the NWO wants.
There’s nothing in Zeitgeist that can be perceived as wrong as so many are trying to ascertain. The central message is to get out of The System. It’s even reiterated clearly at the end for people that can’t be bothered to understand the message.
1. Stay away from big banks
2. Stay away from mass media
3. Stay away from the military
4. Stay away from energy companies that are against self-sustainance
5. Reject the political system that does nothing anyway
If anyone can refute any of these points…feel free to do so. I’m sure everyone here, including Alex Jones, agrees that following these points will lead to a better world.
If Alex Jones continues this charade that Peter Joseph’s points aren’t essentially similar to his, I’m going to start thinking that Alex Jones and his fans are part of the NWO. The accusations can go both ways. And in the end, if everyone treats others as communists, or being part of the NWO agenda, we have all failed and the NWO has truly won.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:33 am
Alex Jones, kudos to you!
Listening to Peter Joseph turned my stomach. I do have to say he sounds very intellectual, yet he is so disconnected. Very disturbing. Peter Joseph’s way of thinking is everything one does is not one’s fault ,but the fault of the other person. i.e. Instead of being responsible for your own action(s), it’s the other persons fault for making you react to what they are doing, that is how Peter Joseph seems to believe.
I agree with Alex, we do have an innate (instinct) about ourselves. yes, we also can be manipulated one way or another, but the strength of our being is the instinct that we carry. So whatever we do and however we decide on something is our own responsiblity.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:35 am
simple research online can clear up lots of confusion here is where to find truth book of enoch revelations site whatdoesitmean.com stevequayle.com uaff.us and check out our chemtrail photos which led us to answers to the mess we are in also planet nibiru watchers of mt ephriam site strangedaysstrangeskies book 2008 God’s Final Witness-free and online. Religion has been messed with but you can find the truth.
best all and for you illuminati/alien/fallen angels/biters/elite………….My boss will be waiting for you Pentecost 2012 love, one of the remnant.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:36 am
Alex, you’re dividing your side of the infowar. Everyone on the anti-establishment side of the debate fits into an extremely wide spectrum of opinion on where we should go after the fall. By attacking Peter Joseph like you did yesterday and then posting up an article that calls Addendum false propaganda, you’re only hurting yourself.
Recognize that you aren’t the only one with the answer. Don’t fall prey to your celebrity status, thinking that it gives you some sort of pundit power. Otherwise you will become another opinionated fool when you should be an objective journalist, empowering the people with cold, hard information, like you do here and more often than not on your radio show.
The fact is no one knows the answer of where we’re headed after the fall. One thing that ties us together is the hope that a truly free world will emerge from the ashes.
Don’t make this personal, you’re destroying our unity.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:37 am
Sadly, it seems like the world is still not ready for changes. I’m starting to see that Alex isn’t fully out of the Matrix.
To me, it seems like Alex Jones is fighting from within the Matrix. It’s a fight he will never win. Peter Joseph, the Venus Project are fighting the machines…they’re fighting the Matrix from the OUTSIDE.
As long as people have religious shackles, as long as people can’t free their spirits from the oppressive religious institutions, people will keep having blind faiths and fight an interminable war.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:38 am
It’s good to have both sides. Alex gave promotion and props to Peter Josef. Both Alex and Peter are correct. Alex says he thinks Peter should be supported. Alex wasn’t childish, he’s only playing devil’s advocate. What we need to do now is have a CLEAN SWEEP in congress. Make the Democrats and Republicans a minority by voting in more Independents. Please see http://cleansweep2008.org/blog
October 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
I agree with both sides over the matter of unified humanity.
To achieve harmony would take getting rid of the monetary system, however there are also social sicknesses to deal with. Rapists and paedophiles care not for money, they want control. Along with control types, they also come in different forms.
The road to harmony can be paved in blood as those reluctant to give up control would fight to death to keep it.
The other road would mean falsely harmonizing via mind control (EMP?HAARP?) Unless, as Alfred de Grazia theorizes, that mankind was once harmonized due to a different Earthly environment in our past (Electrically charged) Google: Quantavolution
Perhaps this natural phenomenon would occur again if the solar system travels through a massively charged plasma region, who knows?
The bottom line is that this mind-control is not controlled by anyone, in order for this to be a success to obliterate selfish motives.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:39 am
Thank you Edward for your incredible insight on this subject. This article is much more intelligent than the previous one that spewed the fear mongering this site and all of Alex’s work has come to abhor in our present regime.
The fact remains that we must change as a society and this must occur not only in the U.S. but on a global level. We all agree on this but the way to go about it remains clouded. Let’s not let this subject divide us. We can figure this out!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:43 am
The goverment, has always used 80% truth and 20% lies, as a trap or lure, its the oldest snafu in the book, to entrap or con the gullible, Zeitgeist Addendum is just that they are agents thought provocuteurs in inter twinning new world order resoning with the truth movement. in order to delute the truth, there was no debate between Alex Jones and Peter Joseph. The condisending and mocking diatribe emmited from the mouth of Peter Joseph, he and he alone is so self convenced of his vain imaginations and intellectal hyperbolic b.s. his concepts are not new or the future vision that he feeds to the herd, itis still communist and intillectual masterbation, mixed with futurist cures thru technology. Man is hopeless and moraly sick, man can’t evolve into perfection the advancement of technologic cruch.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:43 am
Daniel, the problem is that we are all about to die or be utterly enslaved and the Zeitgeist movement wants to orechestrate some mystical, magical, utterly impossible transformation of culture, language, technology, and humanity all in one fell-swoop. Do you not perhaps think that we have more immediate concerns than making The Jetsons a reality? Do you not perhaps think that the fact that we are all going to die of cancer or worse is a more pressing concern than dreaming about the far distant future when robots cater to our every need?
You want a solution? There is one, and only one to our immediate problems. The elite are not some abstract system of money. The elite are concrete realites with names and addresses.
There’s only one thing you can do with parasites. Parasites aren’t going to wait for you to transform your body into a cyborg. Parasites are going to virulently spread until you die. Can you guess what solution it is I’m alluding to?
Chris Reply:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:08 am
The elite are not some abstract money system…the elite USE that abstract money system to enslave us all.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Crazy times when I find myself more in agreement with the bible thumpers than others in the truth movement.
Alex always dances around the issue of organized religion being the driving force of mind control throughout history.
Its because he doesn’t want to offend all of the crazy jesus people who listen to his show.
bebe Reply:
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Listening to Alex takes some intestinal fortitude, but I make every effort to listen because, if for no other reason, he’s making some headway in waking the dunderheads up. Whenever he launches on one of his notorious tirades with the “HAHAHAHA’s” and the sputtering and bellowing, I simply reduce the sound to nearly off and wait.
I watch every video on 911 etc, not just Alex’s, and I have seen Zeitgeist and Addendum. Zeitgeist 1 delivered many truths. However, I recall being very troubled at certain suggestions in Addendum, amongst many others, was the depiction of crowds of people dropping their briefcases and standing immobile as if in a trance. Was it presenting a vision of a forthcoming NWO mind-control (Bluebeam/Chemtrails/HAARP) agenda?
I found “In Lies We Trust” an excellent video. Yours for 911 Truth.
Chris Reply:
March 5th, 2009 at 2:10 am
I felt like it was a depiction of everyone waking up and realising the truth.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:46 am
if zeitgeist was apart of the new world order dont you think it would be more main stream. the nwo deal with the masses the sheeple, for every one esle they have the military and police. i dont believe zeitgeist is for the new world order and i think it does offer a solution not a perfect one but at least one that may work cause at the moment we are all f&%$ed theres no way to get away from there controll unless we do away with the monetary system. We know they are the ones who made the monetary system the way it is. we must move on to a new way of living. we went from being a nomadic species to one that settled and lived off of crops and preserved foods dont you think that was a drastic change from a style of living dont you think there were hard ships with that sudden change and trust me not everyone quit being nomadic right away because of the same reason no one wants to agree with what zeitgeist proposed we are afraid of change and now we are attacking it by saying its the enemy shame on info wars and shame on you people who dont want to be destroyed by nwo but reject and actual solution untill some one comes up with somthing better i think they should just figure out how to make this solution better. this way of living has never been proposed before you think its socialism because you trying to find away to understand it and on first glance it may seem like socialism but trust me its not for their are hardly any workers its all about using technology like you are supposed too. we use it to make life better and easier for all of us, when we are no longer constantly fighting each other of money and being stressed out by daily routines and work we can actually start thinking about the stars and find better ways to do things and become a truly enlightened species because we can become one with nature again
October 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I didn’t get that at all while watching the movie, and I was a little disappointed in Alex Jones’s interview yesterday. He attacked Peter relentlessly and the entire time Peter was very calm and was simply trying to make his point of view. That was the first time I have ever been disappointed in Alex’s interview. IMO I think he always spot on. I am not even necessarily a big fan of zeitgeist. I know about them, I have seen the movies, and I think they have good information in them, but short of that, I am not sold on everything they say.
What I got from the movie was simply this, when you have a monetary system based on work for money, it creates a breeding ground for greed that would never be there if there was no monetary system in the first place. Most crimes against humanity such as war, oil companies, pharmaceutical companies, etc. do what they do all for money. If you take money out of the equation then in their opinion you would have a considerable decline in criminal activities because you do not have anything enticing or testing the individual’s value system. You remove it all together.
The best way to avoid a problem is to not to get in the situation in the first place. Drugs for example, if you are a kid that grows up in a healthy rich drug free environment you are less likely to do drugs than a kid that grows up in an unhealthy environment with drugs all around. Same principle, if you have money in the equation you are more likely to cross the line of integrity, in order to get what you need to survive, then you would if the money was not there in the first place.
I think I tend to agree, but I don’t think it’s as easy as they make it out to be.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
I neither believe in religion nor Peter Joseph’s ideas about the nature of man.
But I also think that Alex could have made his points in a less divisive manner.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Ed Griffin and others in the freedom movement have it right! We would all love to live in an utopia where we were required to do nothing, but that is not how humans could ever achieve true freedom. Lazy, apathetic and complacent people is all such a system dominated by technology would bring. Look at how so much of our modern technology has made young people brainless and spineless! Ipod, video games, flat screen TV, automatic everything! And would the people in charge of these technologies not have any desire to impose their will over others with their brilliant machines? Human nature doesn’t die over night. We must return to a sound constitutional free republic based on sound money, small government, and a honest free market system!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:47 am
What makes people think that this Anti-Christ is a man ? The opposite of the Son of God is the Daughter of Satan.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:48 am
The movie is crap. Mr. Robinson is right. Social engineers always wanted to create a BETTER society. Now look where are we – as a species, as nations. Politicians and corporations spread all over the globe like a deadly virus. Actually, they are. And they are those engineers.
And now comes Zeitgeist, slapping us those communists into our faces, stealing time. Jeez, this utopia technologie non-profit concept is ridiculus. You must be nuts to believe in. Yes, you CAN!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:48 am
#22, I’m not scared, nor do I have a small mind. Anyone who watches someone else’s work and just believes it lock stock and barrel is the small minded one. That is intellectual laziness. This movie, like so many other films and books, injects a bit of truth in with the lies to spin a nice tale. But in the end, it is just a very polished form of propaganda. Alex lost his cool yesterday in the interview and did a poor job of defending his position. Mr Griffin, on the other hand, has very calmly and effectively articiulated the problems and inconsistencies with this movie. Once I have found a particular source of information to be dishonest and deceitful, I reject that source. I reject Peter Joseph and Zeitgeist, not because I’m scared or simple minded, but because it is false information.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:49 am
There is a website called Truth Be Told,her and her followers are filling this website with hate filled posts,these people are full of hate and venom if you don’t believe in everything they believe in.I can bet you if you go to her site they have a bunch of posts putting down Alex or any one who does not worship there God Peter Joseph.I knew they would be hounding the web site,because I am familar on how they operate.Any one using capitol letters in there posts may be one of her followers.If you read there posts,they are full of hate.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:50 am
Wow Vlad, your ignorance is astounding. Those who support Zeitgeist and other forms of communism are fools who have no concept of freedom. They love the idea of being able to force others into their belief system, which in the end is always by force. Just look at ALL of the other communist countries. There, its “My way or the highway.” they highway being death, prison, or work camps. Over all things, even faith, it is freedom that is most important. You can’t even have true faith or true religous belief without freedom.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Heidi–you are correct. Joseph says we’re all victims of conditioning and only Joseph and Fresco are magically immune or more evolved. According to Joseph, David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger are merely victims of conditioning. They aren’t villains, you see. There can’t be villains if evil is a myth. So instead of tilting at poor conditioned Rockefeller and his gang, we should build the city of tomorrow. Nevermind the fact that we’ll all be murdered by poor conditioned Rockefeller and gang long before anything even remotely resembling Fresco and Joseph’s impossible cult of New Age Technocracy can be built.
In other words, according to Zeitgeist, don’t fight the poor elite, victims of conditioning just like the rest of us. No. Instead of fighting the beast in front of your face about to bite your head off, just wait for them to murder you as. That way, you can mentally masturbate to a New Age Technocratic Cult’s Future Designs. It doesn’t matter anyway. I’ve never seen more crazy people on infowars. Zeitgeist is a dead end, which is probably why it will catch on and distract everyone from the psychotic eugenicists who are murdering us all this very instant.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am
Like some have said in the other article on Z: Addendum, it’s clear that Alex wants to be the one and only leader in this movement against the elite. Peter Joseph and Alex Jones are fighting the same fight, it’s just too bad Alex wants to be the only one fighting it.
Alex Jones promotes EcoloBlue and other self-sustainability products. The big picture is that Peter and Alex are promoting the same things. Get off the grid, make your own energy. Get off the water networks, make your own water. Eliminate the threat of starvation, get long-lasting food and grow your own veggies.
How can anyone go against Zeitgeist’s message?
Stop being materialistic. That’s a beautiful message. Can someone really say that it’s wrong to think this way?
Stop supporting the military. That’s also a beautiful message. You can’t enforce peace through war…it’s never happened and never will.
Stop following other people’s ideologies. That’s the best message of all. Nobody should be a slave to teachings (whether it be academic or religious)…everyone should always keep questioning.
Once you stop questioning, you’ve stopped growing spiritually. You’re accepting someone else’s view as ultimate truth. You’ve paralyzed yourself in your mental and spiritual growth.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:51 am
christianity does exist.. and if you dont believe in God Jesus and The Holy Spirit then thats too bad.. i guess no eternal life in the kingdom of God for you non believers.. part 2 and 3 are legit but the masons, luciferians or whatever want you to not believe in Jesus why? its easy read the bible
October 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Heidi #32 – you are an idiot. how can one blame himself when the international banking cartel continually rigs the markets so they come out ahead every time and a majority of us lose? how is that my fault? when someone has a monopoly on your financial system and leaves you in shackles you have the right to complain and blame someone else. you, and other stupid americans, need to wake up. if i get drunk and drive my car into a ditch, yes that is my fault. but, when a financial elite rule over us WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO COMPLAIN!
October 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Just a quick comment on the Zeitgeist Refuted video mentioned below – what a crock of crapola. You can not use a book to prove that same book valid and that is exactly what this video does over and over again. “The Bible is true because The Bible says so” isn’t investigative journalism nor does it answer any of the intriguing questions that the original Zeitgeist movie raises. (And like it or not, Zeitgeist’s short segment on religion is dead on according to everything I’ve read on the subject over the years. The VAST majority of scholars and theologians I’ve spoken with have confirmed that they are well aware of the story of resurrecting god men throughout the eons, and though they would stop short of calling Jesus a myth, they have no trouble telling people to follow the teachings instead of the teacher, etc.) I am an ordained minister who believes that Christianity was created by man, not Jesus (who may or may not have ever existed as there is very, very little evidence – again outside of the Bible – that such a man every walked on the earth) and that faith and compassion are the “gifts” that religious traditions bring us (which in turn should foster love, understanding, etc). But enough with the sermon for the day…. Take everything you watch on line with a grain of salt. As Bill Maher once said: The internet is a bathroom wall. Enjoy the insanity, I’m going back outside to enjoy “God’s creation”… =The Rev=
October 16th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Let’s break this down to the basic components. We are talking about morality, religion, and ethics. I consider these all synonymous. These are the rules by which we base our actions upon.
Science is a methodology about getting to truth. And we choose how to use these truths based on our morality, religion, and ethics. I do not see how we can make science the foundation of our morality/ethics or a religion.
There are many dualities and one is that we are separate yet connected. Living in the world or being separate from one another allows us to use the scientific method to discover truths about our reality. From these truths we can devise a moral code.
But, we only have part of the picture from examining the separate world around us. By taping into the non-local self, we have access to all the knowledge in the universe and thus we can base or morality on this infinite source of truth. Some may call this religion. And these divined truths do not have to be taken only on faith for they are evident in the world if you look for them.
You can think about it this way. We can use inspiration from God to get our hypothesis about how to live our lives and then use the scientific method to prove out these hypotheses. This would allow for a coexistence of the non-local (God/religion) truth and the local or scientifically provable truth.
So, it’s really good we are having this discussion, but we need to take the discussion up a level.
One last thing, the root of evil is not money, it is people. Another duality that we need to come to understand is the nature of man. Is man inherently good or evil?
I believe that man is inherently flawed because of his dual nature. We have both the local and non-local nature but we exist more often in our local nature. This having a limited view of reality we make bad decisions thus our inherent “evil”. We must recognize this fact when organizing in this world.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Zeitgeist fails to see the basic nature of humans. There will always be conflict and people who try to oppress and take advantage of others.
The notion of the Venus Project sounds good but it’s just a pipe dream. They offer no real solutions, they only speak of ideals, and there are underlying messages that seem to promote communism which as we have seen in the past oppresses people even more than other social structures.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Oh, yeah, THE VENUS PROJECT.
Who names their space missions after mythological gods? NASA. NASA = Illuminati/ Masons/ Zionists/ Luciferians.
Here we have another example of it right in front of your eyes/ears.
The Venus Project? How about ‘The Machine Age’? ‘The Millinium of Lazy’? ‘The We No Work Project’?
Come on, this movie was hypnotic and you have to break the spell, and come back to reality.
Christopher Reply:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:09 am
So your saying scarcity is a good thing?
October 16th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Sometimes I ask myself , “Are we just dragging our feet?”
How can we deny this world of communication.
In a world that is inner connected through communication/techn; how can you say that a global way of thought and attempt of unifying all of us humans on this one planet is a terrible idea.? Wasn’t that the purpose of all religion? Harmony, Love and Compassion for each other no matter where u are located?
Now granted in this article it claims that these occultist are doing this all for Lucifer. But what if this has it all wrong? What if we are just making automatic decisions on this matter?
By these decisions denying the next step of a “social” evolution? How can we be so sure that this is pure evil?
I only ask myself these questions just to have it in full spectrum.
Also with this Project Venus and re creating Atlantis is far fetch. I have studied art for many years. There has been many designs of a Utopian Society. One great example of an artist; Architect Claude-Nicolas Ledoux where he designed a city based around using natural resources and modern design called the “The City of Chaux”
Look it up and find out for yourself.
There are many other artist who have shared these ideals and not once has religion or satanism has played any part. Only common agenda has been to share ideals of peace and harmony in each human.?
So Please don’t drink the red kool aid until you ask whats in it.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:55 am
zeitgeist addendum is a childish movie – blaming money as the problem is like blaming guns for shooting deaths.. and with all of the youth today completely detached from reality, it’s no wonder so many are following the crappy flick. I read one kid state that we would have that kind of world “within months”.. f---ing naive.. get your heads out of your asses and work on solving the immediate problems like a man.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Watch Zeitgeist Refuted.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Does anyone ever notice how Alex never really gives the full floor to his guests? He always says he’s going to but then he’ll raise his voice and cut them off any time they say something he doesn’t agree with or whatever.
Some of the people that follow Jones are just as sheep-headed as the general public they lament on a day to day basis. Zeitgeist isn’t an evil movement. Its a matter of logic, hyper-intelligence and things that most people, especially in the US, can’t wrap their minds around due to how screwed up they are from society.
Half of the reason the world is so screwed up right now is because people don’t learn from their mistakes collectively, historically. History can only repeat itself as far as human matters are concerned if, and only if, we allow it to.
Wake up people, see beyond this BS you’re spewing about ZG and pay attention to the true message. The message is to wake up the REAL you in order to grasp the BIG PICTURE. Peter was trying to say that yesterday in the interview while Jones was acting like a 2nd grader. I can’t believe he could expect anyone to have any respect for him whatsoever after that behavior.
Its just sad.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Get rid of money and get naked instead
October 16th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Ah……see now, Alex? You CAN get a decent perspective on the Addendum without all the hooting and waving of hands and getting red in the face.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Zeitgeist is lies and dis-information dribbled with truth and that make this film very dangerous in a time of mass awakening when people are looking for the plain truth and nothing but the truth. Listening to Peter Joseph is like listening to David Rockefeller, Henry Kissinger, Aldous Huxley, HG Wells, and etc etc. He would fit right in at the Bilderbergs or CFR. I have to question Mr. Joseph’s intentions when roping people in with the truth and then snaring them with his Utopiaism, this is very dishonest and evil.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:59 am
I always find it funny when people complain but have no solutions. It’s easy to complain, it’s much more difficult to have solutions. All I hear is NWO bad, big government bad, Oil companies bad, etc., and I tend to agree, but rarely do I hear true solutions. I think zeitgeist laid out a possible solution. Is it the best solution? I don’t know? But it’s a solution.
I also tend to agree that both Alex and Peter are fighting the same fight just with a little bit of a different spin, but nonetheless the exact same fight. So IMO it would be a bad move to drive a wedge into the united effort of both parties. Though I am sure, the elite would absolutely love it. The best way is to conquer is by divide and conquer, and if we do it for them then they have just won a victory.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:00 am
That was quite the radio interview yesterday…
I think the Venus Project and Peter Joseph are well meaning, but I don’t think their ideas are possible, not with this race of homo sapiens anyway. What they’re suggesting I’ve only seen in Star Trek, and if life becomes like Star Trek, God help us all….
But I am glad Joseph at least admitted that this system isn’t possible, especially now. I’m not very happy that Alex didn’t keep his cool at certain times. ZG:A is revolutionary in thought, its putting new perspective on an old idea that has caused a lot of problems in our race’s history.
I agree with 25, we can determine what we want on our own. I find a lot of truth and insight on both sides, and that is what I will use.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:00 am
The Zeitgeist movies are the biggest pile of dogs--- propaganda ever produced. Absolutely pathetic.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:01 am
i’m so disappointed with alex’s behavior during his interview with peter joseph. he’s been getting more and more hostile to callers and people he interviews. he just came off as insane. not helpful. not helpful at ALL…
October 16th, 2008 at 11:04 am
#24 Nope…it can’t be uber communism because their world involves no money. Communism is very much based on a monetary system.
The idea proposed by the Venus Project will take several decades or a couple centuries to realize. Nobody is saying this system can suddenly rise up in a couple of years. Why? Because socially, we’re not prepared. Nobody’s going to change instantly. It’ll take a few generations for people to understand how this new system could work.
Nothing’s stopping you right this instant from mostly breaking free from this system by generating your own energy, by making your own water, by renouncing products that don’t bring any true value to the world (fashion, jewelry, etc.)…these things serve to segregate the world into different classes.
If everyone did this right now, companies that don’t matter would be wiped off the face of the earth instantly. Companies that *do* bring value to the world (alternative green renewable energy companies, companies that make water generators, etc.) would suddenly see more attention and create more useful products.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:04 am
Archangel don’t go dancing from one boo-boo tree to another.
Mr. Griffin does have a solution you misinformed sheep, it’s called Freedom Force International, and as for you bad mouthing one of the granddaddies of the Patriot Movement, your talking out your ass, and you obviously have no clue. By the way, your new favorite movie did offer solutions and it’s called Technocratic Socialism which is right where we are headed already. Your right I am a savage, and I will defend my territory from outside aggression, I will eat slain flesh to survive, roll in sweat and dirt to grow my food. I’m realist, Utopia is impossible by it’s very definition, things are not meant to be perfect. Transhumanist scientist are insane, how much perfection is needed? Do we all live till two hundred years old, and raffle off who can have kids? Genetically perfect the human race? Reeducate the masses through a pharmaceutical revolution? These leftist influenced youth movements think they are headed for change, ‘look what the evil Capitalists did to us, giving us the highest standard of living in the history of the world’, we no longer need a hierarchy, let the youth goon squads round up the people, who think they worked their whole life to establish themselves. Throw the baby out with the bath water and see how quick, all these supposed fresh ideas manifest straight out of hundred and twenty year old Socialist playbooks. Just because you haven’t read the Communist Manifesto doesn’t mean that it isn’t the guiding principle, of your new found ideas. Why don’t you educate yourself like Mr. Griffin who has about fifty years on you and then you can spout your trash talk.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:05 am
When a operson calls his ideas a movement and then goes on to say that if a person was in stasis for a thosand years and then awoke in a new unfamiliar world thus finding himself unwilling or unable to fit in he should be “reconditioned” to fit into socienty ….. that is the best example of tyranny I can think of.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:05 am
I had seen the film online. It disturbed me deeply.
I could feel disgusted by it but could not seem to identify
the faulty logic on it.
It was not until i heard Mr. Frenger speaking that it came
clear to what is wrong with the conlcusions and
solutions depicted with the film.
The film is all developed over a false asumption:
The “equality” of men.
Mr.Frenger avoids tosay it directly and that is why it is so
difficult to identify. He does not claim all men are equal
(probably because that would right away align his ideas
directly with communists ideals), However he says that
the system is designed based on the faulse premise of
“differential advantages” which is basically the same thing:
deny differences between individuals.
Zeitgeist agenda is the cheereing of the animalization of
the human race.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:08 am
who cares about this? my god get over it. i can’t even believe why this movie review is relevant. this is news talk not siskel and ebert. i can see pushing fabled enemies on this site for obvious reasons, but blah blah blah. there alex goes again…5 min into show. i’m going to listen to rush today.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:08 am
Not Alex Jones’ finest hour, this interview. Thank God this wasn’t one of those days I convinced someone to tune in for the first time. Though I disagree with Joseph’s views regarding the elimination of profit, motivation and (ultimately) self-determination, he came out of this program smelling like a rose.
I think Joseph is naive to think that there will ever be a ruling body that is not populated by the ruthless. The remedy for this is not a currency-free, feel-good society of white jump-suited intellectuals, it is the persistent monitoring and accounting of people who choose to take elected office.
That said…Jones, you could take a cue from Joseph when it comes to anger management.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:08 am
One should really check out Arron Russo’s “America: Freedom to Fascism” I found this very satisfying and insightful…..lots of truth about the IRS and the Federal Reserve! Google Aaron Russo or America: freedom to fascism.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Screw this article, PJ is saying that these monopolies are a inevitable thing in a monetary system, GEG and jones say that monopolies are the problem, this is part of their free market system, WALMART is doing nothing wrong but trying to build as high as possible in this system, should they slow down becuase mom and pops stores going out of business??? WTF is the point of FREE MARKET if they cant BUILD AS POWERFUL AND SUCCESSFUL as they want to be. PJ is spot on taking it to the next level, I think alex is jealous he didnt think of the root cause.
Trying to stay in this primitive and controlled old monetary system THAT THE ELITE GAVE US is the problem. Trying to fix this stupid old system and forever fight against corruption is retarded.
WE DONT NEED THESE SCHMUCKS IN POLITICS CONTROLLING EVERYTHING I DONT CARE IF THEY ARE HONEST OR NOT, THIS SYSTEM SUCKS
please try to add something to the conversation next time PJ is on, lets stop the daily fearing of elite and believing in revelations and MAKE A F ING MOVE.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:11 am
I do agree Alex was off yesterday. Phylosophy is not his forte so he started his yelling and ranting in order to “win” the argument. Alex boy, nobody cares about you, we only care about some of the guests you bring on and we thank you for that. Get over yourself, your Texan opinion on things is sometimes getting on my nerves. I also think you are a fake Christian just so you mentain your stupid Christian audience. You know very well there was no Jesus unless you talk about the mexican dude with an angel drawn on his truck.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:13 am
bulls--- article. ha! communist model no better than nazi model. obviously this dude’s a f---ing moron. he should listen to some mozart to bump up the ol’ IQ a few points.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am
Post 53 you said
I am an ordained minister who believes that Christianity was created by man, not Jesus (who may or may not have ever existed as there is very, very little evidence – again outside of the Bible – that such a man every walked on the earth)
Christianity would never have gotten off the ground if it was based on some mythical character.
It is also known that Satan can counterfeit the truth very nicely so its no wonder that occasionally myths about a god-man resurrected from the dead have popped up occasionally in OT times.
Jesus is real and He did walk the earth. He is even spoken of in Roman records, and they would not have had any reason to make Him up. His trial is also spoken of in the Babylonia Sanhedrin text.
You call yourself a “reverend” and yet you reject God’s holy truth? Repent and believe that Jesus is real, His sacrifice on the cross is real and that He is the only way, the truth and the only path to eternal life.
Christopher Reply:
March 5th, 2009 at 4:23 am
how do you know?
October 16th, 2008 at 11:15 am
ha! I didn’t even see the part about Hugo Chavez being a dictator. what a simpleton.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:18 am
I have lost all respect for Alex Jones after watching this interview, it was so immature on his behalf. Just pathetic he couldnt handle hearing the facts from Peter and so he fought back with his loud annoying voice.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:18 am
Vlad is right on. Alex sounded like a f---ing idiot yesterday. The rest of you are not taking a far enough step back. Zeitgeist is created by an individual who has the ability to take even something as complex as this and make it black and white. Of course there is propaganda in it but its not trying to make you believe anything. It is simply trying to get you to ask some real f---ing questions, and then to seek a genuine answer. Your arguments are not nearly at the level we need them to be in order to make any change. You heard the man known as peter on the aj show using the word irrelevant quite often. This is because while Alex is one of the first people who has started waking people up he is not the most intelligent and even he falls victim to close mindedness. Alex really threw me off yesterday for he sounded more ignorant than I have ever found him to be. Stop arguing and start getting ready. In time even the simplest mind will be able to see all that is necessary for global harmony. Venus project I will admit was a little to much for some. but why? Can you not see that the current system only conditions people to be slaves. Look at the first responders and there families. Listen to Richard Andrew Grove and his intriguing connecting of the dots..Follow the money trails for what speaks louder that PROFIT!!! This is only the beginning….
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
#59 Come on are you kidding me? This type of reply is childish. All their saying, is by removing the monetary system you remove the temptation of man to blur the lines in order to get what he wants. You give the example of “blaming money as the problem is like blaming guns for shooting deaths”, well I could argue that if there was no such things as guns in the first place, than there would be less gun shootings. If we didn’t create the atom bomb, we wouldn’t have dropped it on Japan. If there were no oil, then there would be no oil spills. If there were no elite then there would be no NWO. They are simply removing that component of the equation. Now is it the right thing to do, I don’t know? But I can see their argument. Only a closed minded egotistical individual can’t see the argument that their making.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
#75 you spelled philosophy wrong
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
i listened to the show yesterday i knew it would be a good one…but you have to admit that mr. joseph’s whole notion of utopia is a bit romantic. the idea that everyone is just going to wake up to all this chaos and take the high road…..please….and just the way his animal instincts took over and he got pissed because alex was giving him zingers back, shows that he is full of crap that were all reactive animals and not some society of pansy Utopian lets share what we have with each other…that sounds like a hippie commune and we all know what happened there don’t we….if you don’t heres the quick run down…..the love and sharing ran out and everyone went home for a shower…..the end…..yes alex yelled yea he got a bit off subject ITS HIS FREAKIN SHOW….now that being said zeitgeist is the movie that lead me to alex a person i have checked 80% of what he’s said…all of it being true…you people need to stop making this about the people and start making this about the content of the message. Zeitgeist addendum is leading the sheep that think there awake down a very dark idealistic path of servitude to technology.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Does anybody else see Alex’s calling for what it is? He’s a watchman on the wall, a modern
day Jeremiah. He’s a weeping, shouting prophet with a consuming zeal to save those he
loves, who are not only his friends and family but his entire nation and the world. Alex can
no more stop his bombast than he could quit breathing, and that’s good. Like the prophet
Jeremiah of old, he wishes he could be silent awhile and rest. But as Jeremiah testified “I
must speak the truth to the people… it’s like fire shut up in my bones.” When Alex hears or
sees corrupt acts or deceptive info his hackles go up and he’s ready to fight. That is
a gift of God to warn His people of danger. There aren’t many of his type left, and before
we castigate him out of hand remember its OUR good he has in mind. I have 3 sons and
they are sweet like their mother. I love them dearly but wish I had one more like Alex…
one with that “fire in his bones”. Alex says the same things my grandfathers warned us
about and that I’ve been saying for 40 years. From watching and listening we can discern
his spirit, and Alex is a good man. With that in mind he is still human, but knowing his
motives he deserves to be cut some slack when at times he shows his human nature.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
This is BS, jesus hasnt showed up yet
Im moving to the booboo tree
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
everybody is ripping Peter Joseph. i am going to stand up for him. i think his documentaries are brilliant. everything from george carlin’s take on religion, to 9/11 was an inside job. his documentaries are free, where most of alex’s (and others) cost money. peter joseph is not in this for the money. he is a good guy who cares about the world and wants us to create our future instead of just sitting here and saying, “that’s the way it is”
October 16th, 2008 at 11:20 am
i think Alex came into the interview with an agenda and DID get carried away in the wrong direction. I admire Alex for his passion but i think it is too bad his disagreements with Joeseph couldn’t have been handled with a little more respect for the discussion. Usually when this happens you lose credibility yourself. considering the huge agreement between the two of the 9/11 hoax and the the federal reserve slave system i was disapointed the circus of an interview couldnt get past the disagreements of the venus project vision and talk about the five suggestions at the end of the movie which i think Alex would agree with and are very productive for the immediate problem: Dont support big banks – bank local, reject the political system, don’t let family and friends join the military, drive small cars, and don’t visit mainstream news sites or watch them on tv.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Alex calling in support?
Well he needs it. He made an absolute arse of himself when talking to the Zeitgeist creator.
People, regardless of what you believe AJ’s world, PJ’s solutions or something else in between you have to look at some double standards on AJ’s part.
Peter Joseph was given a harder time of it than DAVID DE ROTHSCHILD by Alex. How utterly f---ed up is that? I mean seriously, that is just complete bulls--- ego on the part of our esteemed Mr Jones.
David ‘I am Jesus’ Icke who has claimed that big reptilians are taking over the world while also hijacking much good true information is treated like a prince of truth by Alex.
Michael Tsarion who makes many good points but actually talks about the closeness of PLUTO to us as being a big factor in whats happening today gets nothing but complete respect from AJ.
The list goes on.
Does nobody else see how utterly f---ed up this all is?????????????????????????
Does no-one else see how these people can be so easily dismissed as wacko’s????????
Perhaps Peter Joseph IS a NWO pawn, out to bring the Freedom movement towards NWO thinking….well during that interview Alex did a better job for the NWO than Peter Joseph did.
The problem Americans have with getting rid of the monetary system is that if you take the world as a small town they are the rich kids from the big house with the high walls that rises above squalid shacks and other humble homes. The whole system has BENEFITED you until now….when its common for you to go 3 or 4 days without anything decent to eat MAYBE you f---ing people will start to think ‘We have enough resources to feed me and my family….what went wrong?’
Yes I know the monetary system,as it was designed to be has been sabotaged, im trained as an accountant for f---s sake, I KNOW money well. The simple fact is however any abstract notion of wealth – gold or paper, shells or turtle-s---, it doesnt matter: what really counts is usable resources physical and mental. Even if we get rid of all the bankers and creeps, the process of consolidation of wealth justs starts ALL OVER AGAIN until were in the same mess were in now, again.
You americans are about to understand what money is worth – absolutely f---ing nothing and the concept of money nowadays is just as worthless. Imagine going to another planet and seeing 50% of that planet starving because they didnt have the same amount of worthless coloured rocks as the others….youd think that was f---ed up right? Well apply this to planet earth and wake the hell up. Oh yeah, quit being a cult member to AJ or anybody else also and start thinking for yourself,surely youve not had THAT much fluoride have you?
October 16th, 2008 at 11:23 am
#70 It’s not tyranny…it’s reality. You’re born into a system of values. These are the values which shape your behavior. If you’re suddenly dropped into another system and you can’t adapt, you’re screwed.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:24 am
You guys need to go back to drinking your Atheist, Zetgeist Kool-Aid til the Lord Jesus returns and cast your sorry asses in the lake of FIRE, It’s a shame people can search all their lives and one day realize they had the TRUTH all along setting on their coffee table collecting dust (The Bible) but you dont want answers that mean you might have to walk in Holiness and an ounce of Faith once and awhile. I usually keep my comments to myself when you get in to the religious aspect but I can’t stand it anymore. It just proves the Bible even more because it prophesies you idiots to a T. I would bet 99% of you never researched the Word of God to even give an opinion, it’s obvious by the stupidist comments you make. I think most of you are worse than the NWO elite. At least they dont have to hide who they serve (Satan), You serve yourselves.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:25 am
I listened on Alex’s show yesterday and this man he had on as a guest, is wacko globalist with a Zeitgeist agenda
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lURSwwdizY
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:28 am
is this an original thought or do I have to go to that youtube link to listen to someone else tell me what YOUR thinking??
October 16th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Well I have been saying the same things about Jesus for years, and have studied many of the pagan religions, and came to the same conclusions long before this film came out, and many have, so it was nothing new, just brought up in a better way with more graphics, and George’s skit on God is great no matter who you are it is funny as s--- with the little cartoon.
This film and the one before brings up good points, and many true things but the solutions are not good.
On alex. Well he does a great job, but gets frustrated when he can’t formulate his opinion or can seaem to brow beat someone into a way of thinking. Some push this stuff so hard that in time they just sound raving, and sometimes that is what Alex does.
So my feeeling is I guess an old friend was right everyone has to believe in someting, so let all believe as they will and keep religion at home, and fight the main problem, the Illumanati.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Aloha,
My dear ones… if you do not understand The Venus Project discussed in Zeitgeist the addendum than I do not know how to help you or the future of Humanity on Planet Earth. The film is brilliant and extremely well done. It is not the Fed we need to ‘worry’ about. This is a Global ‘crisis’ in Consciousness in the True Understanding of who we are. We are Beings of Light not a mere Human race that is addicted to killing each other and material wealth. We have been hypnotized for eons of time. I encourage those of you who are ’scared’ or disturbed by this film to do more investigation as to the very nature of your Divinity and where you come from. I myself not only remember, but am looking forward to the day when we live in abundance, peace, and an enlightened state on this Planet. A day when all of us can live from Love and share our time in a Bio body suite from what inspires us to contribute to each other not fear, scarcity, and lack consciousness.
Many Blessings to All,
Kelly
October 16th, 2008 at 11:27 am
It’s interesting to me that Zeitgeist and the Peter Joesph interview yesterday are causing all this commotion. The self righteous anger at Alex is amusing as well.
This “philosophy” espoused by Mr. “Joseph” isn’t worth five minutes of our time. It doesn’t matter if you are a Christian, an atheist or whatever, it should be obvious that he offers no solutions, just complete submission to the New World Order.
This “philosophy” sounds like the crap that nerdy rejects come up with so they can get laid too. They’re trying to create their own “differential advantage.”
October 16th, 2008 at 11:28 am
If Alex’s reasearch is spot on (it often is) and there are connections to Blavatsky and zeitgeist’s beliefs then it is disturbing. Read Secret Doctrine and/or Isis Unveiled. Her hidden masters are aryan supermen. Much of her garbage was believed in and used by the Nazis.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:28 am
It is true that Alex was losing his cool and seemed weak with the extraordinarily articulate and intellectual auteur of Zetgeist.
However Alex is correct. It is fundamentally a battle of good against evil.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Listening to the interview made me cringe. It would have been a lot nicer to hear a rational debate on the different views. Still I have to give kudos to Alex for recently bringing in Icke and Tsarion so I’ll continue to listen. Keep up the good work Alex, everyone’s allowed to make mistakes on occasion. We’re only human after all.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:31 am
LOGICAL POSTIVISM and EXISTENSIALISM. That is all Peter Joseph is preaching. I cannot believe the MINDLESS ZOMBIES that walk around drooling over some fake intellectual. As if HE knows more than YOU. Are people this MINDLESS????
Logical positivism or logical empiricism is just a contemporary movement that stresses the ANALYSIS OF LANGUAGE as the most important function of philosophy (Alex deals with these people constantly). Positivism says science alone generates reliable knowledge of nature, and in promoting this claim they are closely related to naturalism. But, positivism differs from naturalism, however, in its explicit and militant rejection of METAPHYSICS (metaphysics in old terms, meaning Jesus Christ).
Alex did awesome on this interview today talking to Peter Joseph. Joseph is spouting pure existentialism. And, I know Alex knows all about LOGICAL POSITIVISM. WAKE UP ZOMBIES!!!!!!
Joseph is using the VERIFICATION PRINCIPLE (part of logical positivism) to tell Alex his thoughts mean nothing. But, according to Joseph’s OWN philosophy what he is saying means NOTHING, according to his use of the verification principle. Seriously. Joseph feeds into those that hate Jesus Christ. It is simple. Alex is TEARING him up right now. Alex just nailed him, after he told Alex there was no evil; Joseph turned around and said there are “bad” things 20 minutes later. And, Alex nailed him.
Joseph would say evil is irrational based on one’s own definition. Yet Joseph went on in this interview to tell Alex that he “babbles about tiny things”; Joseph said test scores were “idiotic”; Joseph used the words “corruption” of the human mind; he said Alex “manipulates” people. Yet, by Joseph’s denial of meaning, using LOGICAL POSITIVISM and the VERIFICATION PRINCIPLE- his OWN terms and parameters mean ABSOLUTELY NOTHING
AHHHHH……………..I get it. Only Joseph has the correct definition of words. Only HE as GOD can make the rules.
And, once he “RECONDITIONS” the world’s mind to be in tune with his, only then will the world wake up.
My God, and I often wondered how people could follow the Hitler’s, Huxley’s, and Well’s of the world. Now I know. You Joseph zombies better get down and worship YOUR GOD. So, this is how a zombie mass MARCHES TOWARDS THEIR DOOM with smiles on their faces. The Joseph slaves lap up what he preaches, because they lack something. They lack the courage to get on their knees and ask JESUS CHRIST to come into their life.
Yet, the Joseph slaves, upon reconditioning can get on their knees and howl and scream to their GOD Joseph. Will you leave your fate to a mere mortal that has been blinded by Satan? Or will you choose light and the path of righteousness? Amazing, the zombies cannot believe Alex or Jesus Christ- but they can follow a articulate, EXISTENTIAL hippie that informs them that only HE knows the way.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:34 am
How in the world do you Bible folks KNOW that this “Word of God” wasn’t bastardized and changed by the “Preists of the NWO”? How do you know you’re following the actual Word? Or is the NWO just a new phenomenon and not the old (1776) Illuminati business that is claimed? Could it be that the bible was rewritten and reworked by the very NWO that we all hate?
Bible-thumpers confuse me…
Can we believe anything??
October 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am
I see so many reviews condemning this movie and really missing the point of it. It is not communist, socialist, or marxist. It encourages a revolution of consciousness, and does not encourage a communist society. When people live in a system where they are forced to compete for labor to earn money to survive, there will always be corruption no matter what. It’s only when people realize that we are all interdependent and all have stakes in each others survival that we can truly evolve as a society. There is no ruling elite in a resource-based economy. People do not need monetary incentive to do good things. I understand that a resource-based economy is so radically different from what we have right now that it is difficult to comprehend. So what people do is try and compare it to what has been suggested in the past, and this is a backwards way of thinking.
Zeitgeist is encouraging people to believe in themselves, and their personal power and what we can do together. If we were able to create the kind of abundance it talks about, and we are, there would be no use for money, no reason to steal, no reason to kill. That change has to come from within.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Mike is right on as well…This system was created with the intent to have the ability to force these situations on the people. The reverend up above is arguing that there is a Jesus. This is irrelevant for I don’t believe he can come down and draw us up a new system. Hurt Paulson we appreciate your two cents however if you are just now seeing Aaron Russo’s work you are far behind. One must look no further than the official IRS website to see the truth. I have talked to agents that worked for the IRS and I know they are telling the truth. WAKE UP…This is bigger than any of the conversations I have seen on here. Imagine what its like to be inside there web. You then know how strong the elitists are. Private Intelligence Agency should throw up a few red flags at least. A privatized bank should do the same. The word Bailout should piss you off. You are a human being entitled to inner happiness and unrestricted spiritual growth. Now help go get it
October 16th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Peter Joseph has no problem dropping subtle insults at Alex Jones, but gets defensive and sarcastic when AJ puts him on the spot! If you listen to Joseph carefully (ignoring the BS charisma), he is constantly engaging in “Doublespeak”.
Peter Joseph is just another POTHEAD PHILOSOPHER that has all the answers, but wont get off his ass and do a damn thing but talk and try to sound like some east Indian guru!
How great it would be to sit around smoking pot all day and deny all responsibilities! Yes, lets form a one world hemp growers society and criticize all those real men! You know, MEN OF ACTION! We don’t need any religion either, so we can completely eliminate a guilty conscience.
Zeitgeist is a NWO fantasy – count me out!
October 16th, 2008 at 11:37 am
I agree with your post 96. Alex is dead on about a lot of things but he over-dramatizes, fear-mongers (deny it all you want Jones, you do it and you know you do it) and drifts off point quite often. His ego is too big and he has an attitude towards almost every “general public” caller to his show. The only time he lets his guests talk for extended periods of time is when they are saying things he agrees with. Otherwise he cuts them off.
Even if you don’t agree with ZG or Peter Joseph, you can’t call yourself a member of a freedom and truth movement without offering your fellow man the same freedoms you say we deserve. These are the types of sick things in our society that PJ was talking about.
People are so quick to judge and do the same exact things they accuse others of doing. Sit back and listen sometime and keep your opinion to yourself. Even if you don’t agree with what you’re hearing, you might learn something new.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:38 am
So, ok, indeed the Venus project may not be perfect, but many on here have hit upon a wise point in that at least it is a step toward a brainstorming session we all MUST have to figure out ways to fix this world. So come, my fellow Brainstorm Troopers, and start figuring out a few ideas that might, at least, lead us or nudge us in some sort of positive direction. I’ll start…One: we need to eliminate or rewrite the laws that interfere with and stagnate and destroy Farmer’s Markets. If we make these practices more accessible and productive, we will make them more common and this may cut down on the distances food must travel before it reaches our guts, base our cities and towns more upon the 100 mile diet concept, less travel, less refrigeration, less fuel…seems to make sense. Two: figure out a way to make solar power more common, efficient, etc…there could be solar panels upon every building on the planet, we do not need massive fields in the desert to harvest sun, we can harvest it anywhere and everywhere, for that matter, we should replace paint on cars with something solar panels, or find a way to integrate solar panel technology directly into the paint, and while we’re at it, we may as well paint houses with this ray-collection paint. That’s all I got so far…perhaps this plan Z, the Zeitgeist-inspired Brainstorming session can generate a slew of ideas that we might be able to implement. If we look at building a utopia in one fell swoop, we’ll be quickly overwhelmed, we need to take decisive steps and start etching away at this POS world so that we may sculpt it into something less hideous. I have seriously been f---ed up by an awakening in which I realize that all wealth and all great progress stands upon the poverty and the destruction of other human beings. I get physically sick when I think that if I have wealth, then that means that someone else does not, the entire concept is a Libra scale, it disturbs me greatly to think that I would add to the imbalance that causes others to starve to death and suffer disease because I can afford to buy cars and junk. I suppose, I’ll admit, communism looks nice, but only because it appears as a balancing of this seriously injust set of scales that is our world. The rich exist because the poor exist, if all were equal, if poverty ceased to exist, so would wealth, and people love their wealth, so they violently continue to push people to poverty. It’s the contrast principle which defines wealth.
You know, this reminds me, I was fishing once when I was a kid, and I caught a Large mouth bass and a Small mouth bass, and I couldn’t get around the concept that a simple bass does not exist, so I couldn’t figure out how a large mouth bass could come into existence…it’s the circular definition sort of scenario, you look up a word 1 and it says “see word 2″ and then you look up word 2 and it says “see word 1″. There are no people, there are rich people and poor people. To define the rich, “see poverty” and then you look into poverty and it says “see wealth”. Perhaps I’m not making sense…it’s been a long day…I promise there’s logic in here somewhere…
October 16th, 2008 at 11:39 am
This is crap… Peter said himself it wouldn’t be easy, and if you watched the movie they literally said it would be next to impossible to implement something like this in our current situation. So this crap about how it’s a romantic idea but impossible given our current situation, well wake up, they say the same damn thing. Sooner or later there has to be an endgame for humanity and this is a proposed solution to the next step of humanity. That’s it. You guys are blowing this way out of proportion as if this is all going to be implemented two days from now or even ten years from now. This would take decades, maybe even centuries before something like this could be implemented. NWO is a prime example, they have been working on this for centuries.
Just as a disclaimer though I am not saying that I agree with Peter, I am just saying that this whole thing is being blown way out of proportion.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:39 am
Zeitgeist is German for ghost time. What kind of ghost or spirit is it? False Prophet of Lucifer? Total NWO.
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:42 am
wrong!
here ya go…
it is an expression literally translated: Zeit, time; Geist, spirit, meaning “the spirit of the age and its society”.
ooohhh…what a nasty NWO expression…come on man…zeitgeist is the opinion of one person. If I made a movie revealing my beliefs, and they didn’t jive with yours…does that make me a new world order shill????? NOPE!
October 16th, 2008 at 11:42 am
#92 Kelly–Am I the only one who can see Kelly joyfully screaming “Carousel!” a la Logan’s Run?
Yikes. Just yikes.
Billy Bob Reply:
March 19th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Sean!
Brilliant comment man. It’s the best thing anybody has said here.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:44 am
RC you are so wrong. Zeitgeist does not promote submission whatsoever. If you are receiving this message then it is because of your condition. Where did you ever translate any of that information into a message to submit. Please go back and review all you have seen again. There is to many people trying to hard for you to be getting that message…
October 16th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Sorry Alex, you lost me with this program. You are part of the problem, not the solution.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:44 am
All the non-Christians will end up bowing down to the illuminati’s lord named Maitreya, who is promoted by the theosophists through shareinternational. He will show himself as the savior of the world but is the anti-christ as expressed in the Holy Bible. Many people will be astounded by this evil man’s powers. The world elites are probably already worshipping him and doing his bidding. It will be a facade of peace and harmony, but it is the devil’s work. It’s always the same old wolves in sheeps clothing routine, just like all our politicians and governing officials. At some point, the UN will promote this man and he will be the leader of the world. Those who bow down to him will take the subcutaneous microchips in order to survive the New World Order scam. It’s pretty sad how so many people have no ability to discern anything and don’t really have an interest in learning the truth. Alex Jones is a good man who has helped expose so many lies in the world. He just needs to crack open his Bible to understand the real endgame. I understand his frustration and how he expresses it on his show, but the fear and anger are counter-productive and ultimately are un-Christian values. Fear and pride are Satan’s greatest tools.
That One Guy Reply:
March 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Yep, hit the nail on the head. People will believe anything, this philosophy or that textbook. Yes, Alex Jones has opened eyes and along with others, has been trying to get the facts out. But in the end, the gosepl truth is, if he and others opened their Bibles and read God’s word, they would see the true endgame, it’s all been written, the propechies happen as described, Jesus is coming back, isn’t it becoming more and more obvious?
earl Reply:
March 9th, 2009 at 1:18 am
That scenario works perfectly for you, who would rather read the bible and wait to die than do ANYTHING to improve your quality of life.
That’s what the bible has done. It freezes people in their tracks so they do what they are told.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Baa Baa Baa you sheep that worship Alex Jones make me Ill your minds are so closed that you can not even think for yourself you just tune in every day to hear your master fill your head with fear.
Alex uses the same tactics that the elites do to scare you into buying his videos and in turn go out and scare your friends and neighbors. Wake up you brain washed idiots and start using your own brain better yet keep listening to Mr Jones cos we really do not need any of you zombies to help fix the problem. pushing fear will never fix anything it will just make Alex Jones a very rich man with the money that enslaves you all.
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:45 am
why must you call people who don’t agree 100% with you, “sheep” anybody who is on this site is no sheep, They just have different views. Calling people insulting names is not the way to beat the NWO…but I’m sure you know that…or do you? hummmmmmmmm
October 16th, 2008 at 11:45 am
…if P.Joseph say’s: ‘Faith is only by conditioning’
…then he has “Faith” in his one world future…
…i would say that P.J. is conditioned and blinded by: the all seeing EYE!
WAKE UP TRUTH SEEKERS..OR THE P. J. WITH THE TIME SPIRIT..WILL PUT YOU TO SLEEP
[zeitgeist: from greek: zeit/time geist/spirit]
..if p. j. wants to become a Lion, or Robot and then Star Dust..good for him
.. i will remain a Man with My own Thoughts..and walk on a sea of Gold..!
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:50 am
Greek…? you mean German…I hope. Otherwise you are in error my friend. There is nothing wrong with the opinion of Pj…it is an opinion…as soon as someone comes out with an opinion especially one that says Jesus won’t be saving humanity, you cry SHILL…I don’t buy into religion and never have…I guess I’m working for the NWO. Sad discerment “C” on your part.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Hi,
This article is a typical defensive response from the VERY kind of HUMAN CONDITIONING that Peter Joseph points out in his film Zeitgeist Addendum.
The film is purely an attempt to stimulate alternative thinking, and debate. It in no way suggests that there is a magic formula, to repair Centuries of mankinds unfortunate and catastrophic mistaken idea of civilisation. However, the main points of the film should be carefully examined and digested with great openess of mind.
The alternative is more of the SAME!
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:51 am
merci…cheers to you for your rational thinking
October 16th, 2008 at 11:46 am
this female is so right…check what she wrote. post # 92
Aloha,
My dear ones… if you do not understand The Venus Project discussed in Zeitgeist the addendum than I do not know how to help you or the future of Humanity on Planet Earth. The film is brilliant and extremely well done. It is not the Fed we need to ‘worry’ about. This is a Global ‘crisis’ in Consciousness in the True Understanding of who we are. We are Beings of Light not a mere Human race that is addicted to killing each other and material wealth. We have been hypnotized for eons of time. I encourage those of you who are ’scared’ or disturbed by this film to do more investigation as to the very nature of your Divinity and where you come from. I myself not only remember, but am looking forward to the day when we live in abundance, peace, and an enlightened state on this Planet. A day when all of us can live from Love and share our time in a Bio body suite from what inspires us to contribute to each other not fear, scarcity, and lack consciousness.
Many Blessings to All,
Kelly
October 16th, 2008 at 11:47 am
As the Holy Scriptures (Ezek) make clear, these folks have “corrupted their wisdom (common God-given sense) by reason of their brightness (luciferian illumination)”. They are being driven by a luciferian system of control and slavery. Yahshua gave us the keys to freedom…love your neighbor as yourself and place God (your creator) above all else. Heaven is 10 people who are given a loaf of bread that they all share equally or in the best way to help the weakest; all are fed and there are leftovers (biblical loaves and fishes story describes Heaven). Hell is 10 luciferians given 100 loaves of bread and one of them hoarding all loaves while manipulating and enslaving the others, even to death; so long as, the one can survive…and the one will never have enough…if you give them a million loaves, the one will always hoard all of them to his advantage. Theosophists teach luciferian concepts (masonry, rose-cross, templars, gita, dianna worship, ets.) and live that life. Give to ceaser what is ceaser’s and give to God what is God’s. Your fruits of love, joy, peace, caring and sharing will display your roots for all to see and to be enriched. Darkness cannot exist in The Light. Germans survived and thrived after the Depression because they lived as a community. They shared everything and took care of each other. They had no money. They had something more powerful…love.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
ALEX…..CAN WE GET ON WITH THE SHOW TODAY????????
NO ONE CARES ABOUT THIS ANYMORE…
GET TO THE f---ING NEWS..
ZEITGEIST CREATOR THE TIP TOP OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER???
WTF AJ??
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:59 am
BS…both films are points of view..opinions. not to be taken as the gosspil. we need to see these films for what they are. Do your own thinking, As long as your thinking is based in good, it is worthwhile
I approve of both vids…and both film makers. Aj is not perfect…he is not God or a rockstar. I don’t cling to his every word nor do I Peter. Just two guys trying to do their thing to help out
October 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
~Zeitgeist = Shows you about the UN bubble head NWO utopia plan. (Theory)
~Endgame= Shows you about the REAL VERSION of the UN bubble head NWO utopia plan. (Reality)
Good Show Yesterday!
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:01 am
Oops…posted to the wrong reply..try again
BS…both films are points of view..opinions. not to be taken as the gosspil. we need to see these films for what they are. Do your own thinking, As long as your thinking is based in good, it is worthwhile
I approve of both vids…and both film makers. Aj is not perfect…he is not God or a rockstar. I don’t cling to his every word nor do I Peter. Just two guys trying to do their thing to help out
October 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
WHat would happen if Peter Joseph finally got his theoretical “world” and there were a few people who didn’t agree with his ideas of how they should live their lives? or believe his beliefs?
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:03 am
what??? are you asking here? Do you hear Pj eluding to a capital punishment for those against his beliefs..or ??? I don’t get what your asking here. Seems kinda silly and I wonder why you would bother posting that.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:48 am
you guys defending NWOgeist are sad.
are you all anti-christians or something? are you all utopia-ists?
Alex is right, has been right over the last decade he’s been broadcasting. Griffin is a very reliable researcher and has been around the block a couple more times than Alex himself (though Alex is catching up real fast)!
When I saw that part 1, I immediately smelled something rotten with Zeitgeist. Thank goodness it’s being exposed. I may compress the video enough to print the file on toilet paper in hex, so i can wipe my ass!
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:05 am
“Griffin is a very reliable researcher ” BUT ARE YOU IS THE QUESTION…I’m guessing NOPE
but why?
“Thank goodness it’s being exposed”
better look again…90% are on side with peter. It is only a opinion.
astro-theology not your strong point? Time to start reading
October 16th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Nah Zeitgeist is a phony baloney.
I posted this before but I’ll do it again.
ALEX disable comments too many people abuse it.
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:07 am
`ALEX disable comments too many people abuse it.
what part is bull in YOUR OPINION
October 16th, 2008 at 11:49 am
I love Alex to death but he got wayyyyyyy too loud with the guy from Zietgiest.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:50 am
“Or perhaps it is as Ayn Rand said, circa 1959 – according to a clip sent by Ed Steer of CaseyResearch.com – who also nailed it when she said, “Watch money. Money is the barometer of a society’s virtue. When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion – when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing – when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors – when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you – when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice – you may know that your society is doomed.”
October 16th, 2008 at 11:50 am
anybody who denies the message behind the movie is basically still stuck in a world of selfishness and greed, and in the mentality of competitiveness.
Peter Joseph explained it clearly during the interview. If we were to send somebody of today’s world into a world similar to the venus project, that person would be completely disoriented and could not function. This is because it takes time and effort, and it’s a slow progress, just like evolution. The fact is, we will, as a human race, achieve that goal, whether we like it or not today, because it is the basis of our existence, to love, and to create as well, because that’s what will make our race progress. Most of us can’t see that today because of the world that we are exposed to.
He is not talking about being f---ing NWO or Communists or living in a Utopia, Peter kept repeating it. The thing is that the past was inevitable, and WE MUST LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES. This resource based economy might not happen until a hundred, or maybe five hundred years from now, but it will eventually exist, when our race finally sees beyond a world of greed, aggression, and competition.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Even before Alex Jones went on his rant when I saw this movie, I saw the Illuminati symbolism in the movie (e.g. the eye being shown over and over again). And isn’t it coincidental it came out at the start of the major part of the economic melt-down? This is a way to divide and lead people into dead ends.
EdVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:09 am
BULL s---E
October 16th, 2008 at 11:51 am
Alex didn’t seem to realise that Peter Joseph is not a hippy or a communist and that his arguments are fundamentally true. I think Alex Jones’ main concern was that the two Zeitgeist films are outshining everything he has produced, with less fear mongering, and actually providing some sort of social solution the most of the world’s problems, as opposed to finger pointing.
Both the Zeitgeist films provide invaluable information, they present a view rather than emotive ‘truth seeking’, calling for human intellect to culminate, not human emotion. By repeatedly and immaturely shouting over Peter Joseph and continually baiting him (without reaction) Alex Jones tried turning discussion into a debate, which achieves nothing.
It became obvious to me during this one radio show, that Alex is more a christian than he is a human.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Also , Tsarion was on red ice like 3 months ago, talking up THEOSOPHY and how Helena Petrovna Blavatsky was “misinterpreted” did aj rip tsarion a new one????
you obviously did not do your homework alex
October 16th, 2008 at 11:52 am
We need to have Jordan Maxwell on the show again to ask him about his connections to the Theosophical society. I can’t for the life of me see why he would reveal so many masonic sigils though ?
October 16th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Well said Ed.
Hey “Irritating”, psychology, like religion, is used by the ruling elite to dumb you down and control every aspect of your life. Your calling down people for believing one hoax by using an even bigger hoax as evidence. hypocracy indeed.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Zeitgeist is a fantastic film. Please, everyone of you, push for the solutions it offers. You’ll make our job so much easier. Learn to love your servitude. Bitches.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 am
whatever..are you 12 or 13? go back to your transformer dolls…child!
October 16th, 2008 at 11:54 am
“ZEITGEIST ADDENDUM” USES BRAINWASHING EDITING TECHNIQUES? PLEASE READ!!!
Ok people this is VERY important!! Look at the intro to “Zeitgeist Addendum”, it’s more than just plain aesthetics. First it makes you focus on a single point like a hypnotist, then it incorporates these intense periods of fast flickering strobe like imagery, followed by periods of instant calm. That throws people’s brains for a loop without them even really knowing about it, and then induces a far more mesmerized and suggestible state. It’s as if it was produced by a PsyOps technician or something, or at least someone who knows brainwashing type techniques.
It’s also like what integrators do, they shout and scream at people, then offer them tea and biscuits, then shout and scream at them again, it’s a way of breaking down people’s mental barriers. The first film’s intro also had this type of sequence, presented in a slightly different way with tanks and bombs bombarding people’s senses, with intersecting “serene” moments.
After doing a lot of editing work myself I look at this and think: “what is this guy trying to achieve with a sequence like this?”. My conclusion is that he’s trying to produce something that’s not designed to please people, but to actually try and reach into their brains a bit, so that information can be sort of more implanted than absorbed and accepted consciously. I don’t know, but I certainly don’t feel right about Zeitgeist from a technical stand point, it seems rather disturbing and manipulative.
It’s like something from Clock Work Orange where the main character in that is being “reconditioned” with strobing imagery. It’s sick and a lot of people haven’t even got a clue what their looking at. This guy Peter Joseph can claim it’s “art” all day, the bottom-line is that if his film were to be broadcast it would most likely break a ton of broadcasting laws because of the intro alone. It would probably induce epileptic fits in a minority of people, on the majority it would have varying degrees of a manipulative effect on their critical thinking, making them more cognitively malleable and primed to absorb the “information” (ideology more to the point) presented in the film with less critical filtering.
These are just observations which could be wrong, but it’s a critique that needs to be made that not too many people are making.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Oh boy, how confused everybody are. I’m also confused.
I find zeitgeist’s ideas great but obviously this society is not yet ready for them.
We truly need a spiritual revolution before any real positive change (not talking about Obama here by the way) can take place.
A shift in conciousness.
Humanity is not ready yet but we’re getting there. I hope.
Please stay focused my dear friends….
lots of love,
Arthur
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 am
right back at ya Arthur
October 16th, 2008 at 11:55 am
*correction: Sheitgeist
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:27 am
explain…or would you like someone to do it for you as seems to be the method used by some of the posters here….thankfully your all a minority.
Alex this ..E griffin that…the bible says this…hummm …were you there to watch these many authors as they channeled the “word of god” ?
sad that you can’t be a good person without a book telling you how…
curious…and this is just a question…if you find out in the near future that the bible was a sham, are you going to go on a killing spree???
October 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Chris uk
I agree, Jordan Maxwell has some ’splanin to do
http://video.google.com/videop.....&hl=en
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:28 am
NO he does not have to explain anything…can’t you do your research??? If my research is in error in anyway, could it not be because of human error..or do I have to be a NWO shill?
silly argument…that video going to change my mind? ..lol
October 16th, 2008 at 11:56 am
The best utopia i ever heard of was Antony Hilder saying we need an Aliance of Free Nations , as opposed to a United Nations. He explained it alot better than i can remember , so i wont be trying to here and now .
October 16th, 2008 at 11:57 am
Marik Bromine..you my friend are a true testament to the fact that we do have brains and we do think alike. Much of what you have said is right on. Its hard to say whats right on and whats not at this point. But I mean doesn’t that just seem logical. All that the NWO does seems so obvious to me now. So obvious that myself as well as fellow students are distracted by it. There will come a time when all will be revealed. I just dread that we will not be discussing it over a computer screen. Instead inside of a prison camp. At times it seems so futile but I cant blindly follow any more. There are to many of us talking about it now.
It only takes a single flame to brighten a whole room of darkness. keep on talking and living to the fullest. In time we might help those who would not have lived at all…
October 16th, 2008 at 11:58 am
“If only we abolished all… private property everything would be great”
No it Dosen’t. the movie dosen’t mention private property.
“The world would turn into some utopia”
No they don’t. They say so in the movie.
“All crime would go away”
they don’t say this either, they say “most crime” because most of the crime we have in society today is based on money.
“We should be a one world community.”
a community of human beings being kind and generous to other human beings, not some global world governence, how one could get that idea from the movie is beyond me.
“It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do”
A bold lie. The only mention of Ron Paul in the film is during a part where P.J. is talking about the falsehood of our political system, because the system itself is a facade. to help explain his point, he mentions people who think “if only we could just get our honest, ethical politicians in power” while saying this, he shows a picture of a “Ron Paul president ‘08″ campaigne sign. That’s it.
” I guess we should give up all hope and let bad politicians do whatever they want to us. ”
What the hell is he talking about?
“but he never mentions a Leftist dictator, such as Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez without praising them”
saying they stood up to the hitmen and jackels is not praising them, saying that the people stayed behind Hugo Chavez despite the efforts of the U.S. is not praising him.
“this is pure Marxism. Marx theorized that people had to be re-educated (in labor camps, if necessary) to cleanse their minds of the profit motive. He and his disciples, such as Lenin and Stalin and Khruschev, said that, eventually, the character of man would be purged of greed”
that’s a good point on Marxism, unfortunatly, this has nothing to do with the theories in Z:A, the point of people being forceably re-educated is the opposite of what Z:A and the Venus project propose, the institutions of money, religion, and fighting with each other to get ahead, will wither away because they will become counter-productive, irrelevent and useless over time, not by force of gunpoint, but by practicality.
“Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world – not even if everyone spent a few years in labor camps to be re-educated.”
in the system that we live in now yes, but since Z:A an TVP are proposing a different system, this dosen’t apply. and to say that without being paid in some form of monetary compensation, that people would just sit around doing nothing, is complete crap. And again with this nonsense about “re-education camps”
‘whenever man lived in a system that allows him to be rewarded for his work, there has been great productivity and abundance”
i agree, at which point we must ask “what then is the reward that man seeks?” one might say “money” but money is only a means to an end, you don’t eat money, you don’t shelter yourself with with cash, you can’t fill your gastank with dollars. so money itself is not the reward, it is the end purpose to which money is used that is the reward, dinner for your family, a house for your children, gasoline to drive your car. and if the need for money was phased out, due to abundence of food, shelter, and energy, making it useless to try and sell it, then it would just be you and what you actually need to get along, not some piece of paper or metal that you can’t eat, warm yourself with, or power your devices. and what if my reward as to see other happy or benefit from my work? money does not enter the equation. what if my reward was to make a device that produced clean water and was cheap to make and easy to transport, so that people around the world could have readily available clean water? I don’t care about making a fortune, i want to give people clean water to drink, a very base human need.
“each person or each company trying to deliver better quality products and services at lower prices”
in an altruistic society yes, but not in reality, not in a society with crooks, liars, and theives.
How this guy could have watched the same movie I did and come to such radically different conclusions, astounds me.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:31 am
I hear ya and I think if you checked his food pantry, I would wager that you would find plenty of Kool-aid and weeners
October 16th, 2008 at 11:59 am
People in general can coexist on earth peacefully for the most part. It is these “i got the fix” guys like Stalin, Hitler, Al Gore and Peter Joseph who have all these nifty ideas to one life fits all. We as humans were not designed that way..
We are own worwst enemies in that we allow GVTs to manipulated us in any fashion they like. Money is a “standard” used as trade.. there bhave been barter systems before…
In short.. You cannot compensate society for the fact some humans are born more stuopid than others and keep deceiving yourself that we are all equal in life… Weare “equal” at the moment of birth..from that second on.things change.
I haven’t read the book “Atlas Shrugged” but after reading Ayn ARnd’s quotes.. It seemslike she had a better grasp…
http://members.cox.net/polincorr1/rand2.htm
Our problem is..we have a system that is capable of working.. but we refuse to tajke the responsibility required to make it work.. and with that attitude.. no ssytem will work if it is in the lsightest way inconvienient… as thus someone will always step forward to make it work for us..for a price of course…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:35 am
Did god email you the schematic of how we are designed?
your not equal to me in intelligence IMO..but I would still share with you.
Mentioning Peter J in the same sentence as Hitler and stalin was silly. Hummm…let us compare shall we…good grief…two of them killed and oppressed and the other makes a film stating his view on the world and well…jebus, that was just silly
peace
October 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
http://video.google.com/videop.....&hl=en
October 16th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I am not christian I am muslim and I am still offended by Mr Jospeh. To debate theological concepts is one thing to . insult and lie is another. I was raised a christian family but I am muslim. I am a hole in Mr Joseph’s theories. I stick up for christians when they are wronged, my family is still chirstian. Mr Joseph seems that he cant see things as they are. I would love to send to a Zen monastery for a while. I am into zen as well another hole in Mr Joseph’s theories of how things work. We are human and animal ,spirit and body. Neglect either at your own peril
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:40 am
I don’t believe your muslim….can I see a picture…
??
ASTRO- THEOLOGY…..hummmmmmmm…..I can prove that, however, I cannot prove Jesus lived at all and no body else can.
Please tell me who wrote the bible. a bunch of guys correct? who were these guys???
I rest my case
October 16th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
I usually love the work and happy at the guest you have had on but this must bear repeating on this topic…
You talk of ninnying but look at what you just did with the Zeitgeist movies. He’s putting out truths that differ a bit but goes along with basically the same ideals that we are fighting for. For shame but i know you’ll just justify this for your own ego and means. BOO Alex BOO!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:03 pm
Survival or death by fantasy. Take your pick – Part 5
A cult leader–that’s who and what Peter Joseph comes across as. The only criticism I have of Alex is that he agreed too much with the whacko, which he is thankfully correcting today. Any real economy is de facto based on resources. Who said gold wasn’t a resource? Who ever said silver, diamonds, whale bones, or any other medium of exchange weren’t examples of resources, i.e. commodities? Currency is simply another resource, one which, in a free market, merely serves as a medium of exchange and thereby facilitates trade. It just happens that fiat currency is a distorted and corrupt resource, one controlled by villains. Anyone who attacks trade as a retrogressive idea is either a fool or a villain. You cannot simply waive a Fresco wand around in order to create supermarkets which are magically stocked, and from which everyone will simply “take what they need.” The first such pseudo-supermarket would be raided – nothing would be left. “Free food” would be stripped off the shelves. All the foregoing should be obvious, since it is apodictic. Or would our robot mommies and daddies zap us with tasers, and thereby reeducate us? And you cannot simply waive a Joseph wand around in order to mystically transform the nature of humanity. Ideas change, civilizations come and go, manmade forms shift, but human nature is constant.
The goal of Venus Project is not to fight “The Matrix” from without, but to create one! It isn’t “living off the grid,” it is literally living in the controlled Future Designed cities of Technocrat Fresco.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:42 am
so when my little youtube movie comes out, will I be labeled NWO because I want the world to get away from a monetary system?
your thought process is mis-guided
October 16th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
Also, while everyone is on the topic of demonizing Zeitgeist, I may as well add fuel to your fire. Venus is also known as the morning star, morgenstern, since it is visible during early morning hours. Morning Star is a name linked to Lucifer (which itself means literally, “light bringer”, hence Satanist teachings of seeking knowledge, as knowledge is the light, funny, cause Jesus was also known as the Light…indeed Infowars could easily be construed as a Luciferian theme since it implies a violent quest for knowledge or the light…hmm…info is knowledge, knowledge is light, light is the star…info wars…star wars?). Not that this means anything, or that it means nothing, perhaps it means everything.
I had a disturbing dream the other night, in which I came to understand that all of our achievements are at the cost of great tragedies. Heroes are brought into the world because villains exist, good exists because evil exists. Well, I awoke and wrote this thing down.
The Good Samaritan’s Prayer. Dear God, please give us villains so we may have heroes. Dear God, please deliver us evil so we may create peace. Dear God, please give us diseases so we may seek glory in finding cures. Dear God, please create a famine so we may intervene. Dear God, please give us problems so we may be inventive. Dear God, please create chaos, lest we grow bored by peace. Dear God, don’t ever let people be good and decent to one another for any length of time, because honor is grown only in malevolence. Dear God, please let there be forever terror, so that we may gain glory in its defeat.
Kinda depressing, yes, but really, wouldn’t we all long for chaos if the world were to be all-encompasingly peaceful? My scales of imbalance sway heavy in these connundrums…I have no idea how to reconcile my desire to make the world kinder and better with the reality that chaos breeds order and order breeds chaos. Evil begets good and good begets evil. When all the bad guys are gone, the worst of the good guys is next in line… I seriously need to seek some sort of counseling because I’ve become utterly lost in the despair of this fukt worldview.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:04 pm
This is the first time that Alex Jones has really lost me. His Christian Conservative ideology has taken him over. He always argue about the false left/right paradigm which is true. But when you break it down by issue, he very often tows the Republican party line. Christians and Conservatives can do no wrong in his mind because whenever they do, they’re just the “fake ones”. Bush and Michelle Malkin are really just liberals in disguise which is ridiculous. He only hates Zetgeist because it doesn’t uphold the Biblical fairy tales that he believes in. He’s openly committed to hating gays for example (which he calls a “death cult”) so he has no choice but to protect the dogma which justifies it. He is of course entitled to his beliefs both politically and religiously. I just wish that he had the courage to own up to his partisanship.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
I am a big fan, I listen 3 or 4 hours a day (which is a big investment, but I’m afraid I’ll miss some of this great material and great guests), I’ve been a subscriber for 3+ years. But as Alex often says, we ought not to take his word, but check these things out for ourselves, and as it says in Proverbs 27:17:
So if I criticize Alex, it is as a friend and admirer.
I emailed most of this information to the crew the last time this subject came up, that of B. F. Skinner, but I never heard it addressed, nor got any answer. I simply don’t have time to hang on the phone for four hours in hopes of getting on, so I am posting this here.
On the 10/14 podcast, at 38:30 min/sec in, Alex says —
I’ve done as good research on these matters as I can without travelling to London to look up his daughter, and as best I can gather, Skinner never had a son. He had two daughters, one of which did spend time in a boxlike crib which he called the “Baby Tender” not to be confused with the Skinner Box, which was a desktop experimental device just big enough for the rat inside.
Lauren Slater, author of Opening Skinner’s Box, has written
As I said, to quote Will Rogers “all I know is what I read in the papers”, but it appears this is a bogus story as well. His younger daughter, Deborah Skinner Buzan, who is still alive today, married in London, wrote an extended letter to the UK paper The Guardian which was published on March 12, 2004, under the title, “I Was Not A Lab Rat”, which you can Google, and from which this quote:
Now, perhaps I ought to point out that the “beyond good and evil” quote is actually the title of a book by Friedrich Nietzsche (“Jenseits von Gut und Bösen”), and how much actual documented recourse to its authority by members of the psychiatric and psychological profession has been made, I can’t say with certainty, but there may be some. Without question, doctors like Ewan Cameron, Sidney Gottlieb, Joly West, George Estabrooks, John Gittinger, and the rest of that demonic crew have been utterly sold out to that motto. So Alex’s spleen is justified in general.
But I felt obligated to point out perhaps a slip-up in the specifics.
Now as to the possible source of the rumor, there was a famous case called the “Little Albert Experiment” carried out not by Skinner but by his predecessor as leader of Behaviorist psychology, John Broadus Watson, using ideas from his predecessor, Pavlov. Watson used a nine-month old boy, “Little Albert”, giving him the opportunity to become comfortable with furry critters — a rabbit, a white rat, a dog, a monkey, masks with and without hair, cotton wool, burning newspapers, etc. During the baseline, Little Albert showed no fear toward any of these items.
Then Watson proceeded to condition the child to fear all these creatures, and indeed, anything with fur living or no, by clanging a hunk of steel behind him at the moment he touched it.
There has been criticism of the study, but as Wikipedia says,
It is also well attested that Watson’s son William, who had with his brother been subjected to some of these experiments, committed suicide in 1954, and his son-in-law, the father of actress Mariette Hartley, did the same in 1962. The actress traces her family’s disfunction to her grandfather’s theories.
I hope this critique will be taken in good faith, as it was meant.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Alex is talking so crazy I can not even believe it.
All of us that like the thoughts brought up in Zeitgeist are not in the Occult. Just because we do not believe in religion does not make us Occultists or NWO.
We can believe in being good people for the sake of being good and because we know that being good brings us good in return. Not because we believe in heaven or a man in the sky.
I think a lot of us as non religious people would leave the door open for some greater force but any human pretending to understand anything about the true nature of being a human or a creator of this universe is a complete and total liar. A sun worshipper a god or star worshiper all liars.
If Zeitgeist people start going down the route of rituals and worshiping say the sun or anything even remotely resembling religion I think the majority of us would disagree.
I really can not believe that Alex thinks we are all just stupid and that we would believe in everything that someone says in a movie such as Zeitgeist. We do not believe in everything that Alex or Zeitgeist says.
WE LIKE THE IDEAS OF A PERFECT PLANET!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WE WANT FOOD WATER FOR EVERYONE!!!! is that so hard to understand?
Does Alex not want peace and happiness I mean that is all I got from Zeitgeist.
Peace and love and happiness without the constraints of RELIGION, HATE OR GOVERNMENTS!!!
How is Alex different than the NWO? Alex thinks there is evil in the world. The NWO thinks all people who are not them are evil.
Alex has the exact same thought process.
WHERE R ALEXS ANSWERS OR IDEAS ON A NEW SYSTEM?
Alex does not have any ideas….alex wallows in the muck of awfulness.
we as people who liked Zeitgeist I think liked the concepts but honestly we do not need to follow anyone and do not need to believe in everything the people in a video say.
WE LIKE THE IDEAS> Alex is thinking like a true religious zealot in thinking we are all followers.
We are not followers.
We are not servants to Alex, God or Zeitgeist.
Zeitgeist is not our messiah.
WE WANT FOOD CLEAN WATER AND RESOURCES FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not understand how that can cause such contempt from Alex who is supposedly a true christian.
Apparently only whining and complaining and always being a martyr is what Alex is capable of.
WE WANT SOLUTIONS AND WANT TO COME UP WITH SOLUTIONS>
We are sick of hearing all the bad. We know the bad. We know We know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHERE R THE SOLUTIONS OR IS ALL U CAN DO ALEX IS COMPLAIN>
Instead of bashing zeitgeist or showcasing more awfulness COME UP WITH SOME DAMN SOLUTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! quit yer bitchin
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:47 am
Good post…rational and full of coherent logic
October 16th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
Yes, there are many many things wrong with the new Zeitgeist video, but, many of the points brought up in it are very VERY good, such as the alternative energy sources we could use that produce next to zero emissions, AKA the geothermal technology, and that we would have these today without the big gas giants buying all the patents and then making the technology nothing less then unaffordable to put into practice.
My point being, all the good issues that were brought up were completely ignored by Alex Jones and many others, who immediatly jumped on the bad ideas, and in turn they miss half of the videos contexted.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:49 am
many many many things wrong with this video?? You mean, in your opinion, you believe that Peter J’s opinion is in error…correct…? I hope so.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
I still think Alex is the biggest truther, i just thought that his debating technique was unfair.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Alex is right about the fact that this type of cultural system would create a potential for the greatest tyranny of all. However, you can also get killed just driving to the grocery store.
The supression of technology makes you and me a slave. We need to take control of our cultural society instead of having it control us, and that means rolling out technology even if it drives prices down to peanuts.
Alex lost a TREMENDOUS amount of respect from me yesterday, although I apprecate his past efforts.
And another thing, the people reading this website should be aware that there were no explosives in any of the buildings on 9/11, and buildings 1 & 2 did not come down at free fall speed. Time it for yourself. The elites may have planned it but there were no bombs.
Thanks
October 16th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Alex Jones for President!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
Zeitgeist has some good stuff in it but it’s stretches way of or over the top on some topics.
I think the kapitalistic sytem can’t be wrong because it is the same thing as saying “Money is wrong?”
They are merely tools to let the markets doing what it can do best: – Selfregulating -
But that doesn’t work on rigged, SOB lieing Novus Ordo Scum controlled markets, it’s just that simple.
You need some basic rules to keep the marketwater free from building up to much toxic waist inside like what happened with the”Created derivatives”.
Alotoff very usefull market protecion rules where destroyed from the time of Pres. Reagan –> Clinton/Bush Brotherhood.
If you think more Eclectic or Synthetic, one can find wisdom everywhere.
Also loads of BS unfortunately but use your little grey cells folks!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
What a happy coincidence. I finally convinced my brother to read Atlas Shrugged, Ayn Rand’s classic novel outlining the battle between objectivism and idealism. Now this film comes out calling for the same idealistic fantasyland as did the characters in Atlas, and it is only we objectivists/realists who see the fatal flaws of idealism – i.e. reality = reality, the profit potential is the driver of productivity, spreading wealth from the haves to the have-nots only hurts both parties, etc.
If you haven’t yet, READ ATLAS SHRUGGED (or listen to the audio book. It is about 950 pages which scares some people I guess, though when I’m reading a great book I never want it to end)
October 16th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
My humility tells me I don’t know the one true religion. Blogger – George Orwell is saying some very intelligent things. Zeitgeist was so effective in helping me find a greater clarity and awareness. Alex works his butt off; that’s why I love him. Alex Jones is a masterful historian who articulates his thoughts so incredibly well. Alex, don’t sweat it; you can be more tactful and take it slower; you got to give others more of a chance. Don’t worry big pappa (Alex Jones), we want you to tell us your thoughts after the guest leaves. – I know Alex is passionate about keeping religion in this movement; Zeitgeist introduced a lot of people to Alex Jones and to a greater awakening; and I’m certain “Liberty is the mother of all virtues.” We can work this out people. We all want something greater for humanity.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Well i am glad tht we are all seeing this, because it is how the NWO operates, they get into evryting. The Illumanati has been doing this since Sumer. It is simple you gear your stuff to the folks you want to convince. so in the movie at leasst the first one they even got Alex, he did not do his homework right away, missed somethings, and thought well they have some good stuff, but they are wrong on the solution. Hell I had to sit through it a few times.
the Illumanati are tricky, they run their game well and have practice at it.
One must remember that they are mind game experts, and they know what they are doing, they have had more practice, and with technology they are getting better.
Now what ever one thinks of religion it is up to them, some believe in Christian doctrines, some do not believe and that is fine, we can get along, but many just do not see how religion is used to brainwash the masses, and many do not get that the Priestcraft has been set up by the Illumanati to do just that. They set people against eachother, and cause waars, they fight about which god is right and who has a bigger dick.
So I am not a believer in Christ, or any saviour figure, only in the universe, and man will save themselves, and it will take time and evolution, and getting passed all this stuff.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
This Zeitgeist movie is so obviously a satanically inspired collection of lies; how can you doubt it? So much effort is made to attack Our Lord Jesus Christ that it can’t be anything but satanic. Really sneaky attempt to incorporate truth with lies in order to lead people down the wrong path. Jesus is Lord, everything else is lies. Thank you Alex for exposing this rubbish !!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:55 am
“your lord jesus christ”
…jesus christ indeed…you are nothing more than a parrot who is incapable of an original thought of your own.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:16 pm
people need to shove religion to the side for a second and examine the evil gang of men that run our world. First priority should be exposing the NWO and the Illuminati cretins no matter what religion you are period. Your religion will stay what it is no matter what, but exposing these goons is the TOP PRIORITY and nothing will change with all these squabbles about divided religions. we need a world where people can worship freely but free from the tyranny of the NW-hOes financial and other woe bulls---…. Different religions should be viewed no different that what soft drink you like, its a matter of choice who cares what it is as long as its not imposed on you and you shouldnt be put down for it by anyone but thats what the NWO wants is us to get all mad with religion so it blinds us to their evil plot, their probably laughing at all the christians and muslims saying “these guys dont even know whats going on here, haha gimme some more cavier slave” but were on top of you old quacks…….UNITE, DEFEAT AND THEN PRAISE GOD!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
Even when I watched the first one before i knew of Jones and GCN everything like this here I watched the first part of it which was all bashing religion and how he just compared everyone and everything to myths and saying there is no proof the prophets even existed especially jesus and I dunno it just gave me a weird feeling seeing how they go out of their way to make fun of christians. Now usually to defend christians many and I can say many true christians don’t go around pointing fingers judging people who choose not to believe but why is that many groups in these crowds go out of their way to make fun of people who believe? I mean what causes that? our directive is to spread the word to people that we are not alone in this fight and if we knew we were the will to fight would be lets say not as forceful through the mind and body. The way he mentions how religion is used to manipulate is clear that yes sometimes that is the case but in terms of probability do 100% of the leaders use that power to manipulate the masses to take advantage of them? no…I just dont see how it is a distraction finding out your purpose in life, s--- man go worship the machines I want to find out what big thing I was sent here to do before my short time is up. People usually try to find work they enjoy that is the goal and through that they find fulfillment whether they make six figures or f---in 100 dollars a week…they find something they really love and always seem happy and a person looking at another who enjoys what they do can tell that person is satisfied and feels happy with their life
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:58 am
there was no making fun of anybody in this film. If that was your impression…maybe watch it again.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
sorry to post one more thing
Yeah Alex clean food clean water and resources for all is a terrible idea.
Taking care of the planet and its inhabitants is an awful thing.
Seriously?
wtf does alex want on this damn planet?
constant fighting war and poverty hungry dying kids?
PEOPLE WHO LIKED ZEITGEIST liked the ideas of taking care of everyone.
Apparently Alex likes the idea of starving babies and war. Alex pretends to care but really he accepts the idea that people will always starve and argue and fight. SO he perpetuates that idea that there has to be people starving and fighting.
Well some of us do not accept your dismal reality Mr Jones.
We want something better! We know there can be something better!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Alex,
I heard your show debating the thesis of Zietgiest; I agree, the film’s solution is too simplistic and not realistic any time in the near future. I don’t think any one system is viable with all the diversity in the world. Money is not the root causes of evil (or bad), rather, it’s FALSE LOVE. The system needs to be transparent and money needs to be used to trade and barter representing value. People need choice or in other words, freedom. But one cannot have it when things are in secret or manipulated.
But in my own opinion, you (Alex) was off point and too antagonistic with this film maker. I really don’t care how much you have to spend on your servers or what your financial situation is and it’s not what I want to hear on my radio so stop the whining and stop saying you’re not whining. Also, don’t you think that some guests deserve some respect? Stop interrupting guests with your lame version of what the guest is trying to say. It’s your call but I challenge improve your interview skills by using better tactics for certain guests to inject thought provoking discussion. I’ve been listening to you for 2 years, everyday now…and sorry to say, but you’re slowly losing your edge. What happened to the aggressive Alex Jones that took on NWO everyday?! What happened to great stories you covered (the Ed/Elaine Brown cases for example)? I also think your rants and ability to hold nothing back on air is what makes you special. However, your becoming soft, childish, and star-struck. Lastly please tell your producer to get more variety in guests…I want to hear less Tarply and more Griffith.
Is your show for info warriors or for you?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
I agree with #11 Rhino, blown way out of proportion.
However, I have read and heard some greate debates, and interesting points of view.
That’s really what this is all about, discussing different ideas and points of view.
Bravo Infowars and Zeitgeist!
October 16th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Thanks Master Mason for telling me what my conditioning is (I guess I’m the problem and not the other way around). No, the overt message isn’t submission, but that’s in effect what would happen. The arrogance is palpable.
This “philosophy”, as I said earlier, isn’t worth five minutes of our time. It may have some allure to fuzzy headed non-thinkers, but it’s so flawed as to be ridiculous. And why do all these defenders of Zeitgeist, Peter Joseph and the Venus Project sound like religious fanatics?
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:05 am
well here is a professor at Ryerson University in Ont who has an Iq of 156 ( no fuzzy headed non-thinker here) who believes that Peter J is entitled to his opinion just like Aj…it doesn’t make him a NWO shill….you and people like you don’t understand freedom of speech. I’m a frickin Nazi if I disagree with you and Aj????…good grief!
ZG was nothing more than an opinion by one man.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Money, or rather the greed for things is the root of all evil, The end.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
Peter Joseph is a douchebag. He talked about manipulation on the show with Alex Jones, wait, he even mentioned that the religion part was all falsities, if that’s so and as far as I know and according to what I’ve researched about it, the religion part on both movies were inspired on books made by satanic authors. Smells like douche bag Peter Joseph is being manipulated after all?
Secondly, douchebag Peter wants us to put our faiths on technology when it is the VERY THING TO BLAME for the deaths our world has experienced, is experiencing and will be experience. Seriously what pills has Peter been taking lately?
Jesus is the only possible way for salvation. Believe it or not if you don’t then shut the f--- up and keep quiet.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 am
Hummmm…not saying Jesus really walked the earth, cause I wasn’t there, but assuming he did and that astrology text that you put so much “faith” in is real…do you really believe that Jesus would approve of you calling another man a douchbag for merely putting to film his personal beliefs and hopes for the world?? Do you really think we will achieve peace by rejecting others solutions by calling them such derogatory names. You are a very confused individual. Glad your the minority on this one.
you say you did research..hummm….well i have a library in my house with over 6000 books…most of which are history, philosophy, economics..etc..and I can agree with most of what I hear come from Jordon Maxwell…..BTW…why does Alex hate on Peter and then months later invite Jordon on and give him respect? after all, didn’t peter J state that the film was inspired by the work of JM?
Could you also explain to me why it is that I can read up on astro-theology and see for myself where religion as we know it comes from ? I have read it with my own eyes. My books are all from very old inherited collection..so plz don’t say that I’m buying JM’s books or anybody else’s…you would be wrong.
PS…again..are you trying to tell me that Jesus would approve of your telling someone to “shut the f--- up” ?? hummmm…from what I learned in church as a boy, that is a no no.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
AND, the entire 1st third of the film was a representation of one of the father’s of this movement, JORDAN MAXWELL. I’ve not seen the “Addendum”, but facts are facts about the connection with sun cults and the Christian usurpation of the history of those cults. The “utopian” parts of the film are new to me and I can’t say anything about that. But the religious points ring loud and clear for me.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Man, I hope that intelligence is a survivable trait.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Zeitgeist is a little truth mixed with the same old “new age” moronic bulls---. I had to turn off the interview, because I got tired of hearing the moron arguing with Alex. The only things he said that were true were about the Federal Reserve using usury against us, which is a bad thing, and we need to use more alternative energy, which is good for everybody. The rest of the crap he peddled; “we have no instincts”, “we evolved”, etc, etc…..pure unadulterated bulls---. I’ve heard it all before. Instead of dismissing the Bible, he needs to actually read and try to understand it. It describes his failed philoshophy with one succinct phrase: “there is nothing new under the sun”.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
Zeitgeist smacks of Theosophic delusionism. Take a look at Benjamin Creme, who’s a promoter of the “world’s christ”, then you’ll see how much Zeitgeist is a propogandist piece for the Theosophists.
This christ is suppose to have these whacky powers, that involves the science of “light”. A little too supicious if you ask me.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
I was looking forward to listening to this interview but I was very disappointed.
Alex Jones was revealed at his most immature and ignorant. Not only did he employ his usual tactic of shouting his interviewee down before he had had chance to finish what he was saying but he was constantly changing position to oppose Peter Joseph no matter what he said, e.g. the ‘discussion’ about nature and nurture.
As if proof were needed that Alex Jones ought to play football for Italy, such is his foul play, when he supposedly gave his guest 10 minutes to speak uninterrupted he did so with heavy rock music in the background making it virtually impossible to follow what he was saying. At one point, Jones even cut Joseph off completely.
Peter Joseph was calm, intelligent and measured and Alex Jones behaved like a dumb teenager. I was thoroughly embarrassed!
There is an old saying that he who shouts loudest has most to hide. Get a grip, Alex, you can sometimes look like an idiot.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Alex also spent a lot of time protecting the free market system and the dollar like any rabid Republican would do. He said that to eliminate paper currencies is socialist and of the New World Order. At the same time he’d probably tell you that the dollar itself contains the words New World Order in Latin. Money isn’t the root of all evil? Lobbyists don’t completely control government? C’mon now.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Hmm. It’s dangerous cause it’s going to affect the young people vastly. (I’m a young person so I can speak on it)
Young people(teenagers, pre-teens, etc.) want to rebel from the parental influence right?
Religion is usually from parental influence right?
So if the kiddies see this movie, they’ll believe immediatley right?
probably.
Religion can be a prison that is true it will sometime prevent you from seeing the bigger picture. But THERE is a GOD and not this wacky zeitgeist kind.
Did Jesus Christ exist? I don’t know and neither does anyone else. Is it odd that there’s a striking similarity between him and other religious characters? YES. Is it noteworthy? Of course.
So could it be that Jesus the Christ is those others? Perhaps.
Can you hate people or dislike them for being christians? NO. Let them worship what they will.
IS ZEITGEIST DANGEROUS? yes
Point is people shouldn’t choose to believe something because it’s the cool thing to do.
That’s what this stuff is going to do. MAKE it the cool thing to believe.
there’s much more but eh…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:34 am
so..it is safe to believe one thing that can’t be proven and it is dangerous to use logical thought and in depth research to come to a rational mature intelligent conclusion. Blind faith is silly kid and you need to learn from this movie that you need to think for yourself. What is this GOD that you think ZG is “pushing” ?
stupid parents teach their children to ignore rational thought and believe an unbelievable fable. Smart parents teach their children to use their brain to think and discern for themselves TRUTH.
Think about what your being asked to believe.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Because I believe in the inherent right of free speech and the free exchange of ideas I watched this video. Aside from the pure socialistic nature of the concept and the deafening silence in regards to what would happen to those who chose to live according to their own ideas it becomes apparent to me that history forgotten is history destined to be lived again.
Those who have cared enough to study and learn about our own history would readily recognize that what this video promotes is exactly what was attempted by the very first colonist who landed upon our shores. The results were a disaster.
The colonist had agreed to live as a commune sharing everything amongst themselves for the “good” of the community”. They nearly starved to death the very first winter. That’s what thanksgiving is all about. Had it not been for the indians the first group of colonist would have died of starvation.
The truth is that no matter how you wrap socialism, it is still socialism, and doomed to failure. Why? Because there is and cannot be any incintive for the lazy or incompetent to get out and work for their own survival much less the survival of the community. There will always be those who think they can sit and reap the benefit of the work of others while they themselves contribute nothing to the whole. That won’t change.
What about the thieves. Many are the example of people who are well to do who steal simply because something inside of them compels them to do so. It’s human nature. Violence also comes from the inside not the outside. It’s only a matter of degree as to what will make a person commit violence. For some, they need no excuse at all while others will die before commiting violence upon another.
In short. The nieve and gullible will swallow this type of deception wholeheartedly. The sad part is that they will drag the rest of us, who know better, kicking and screaming to the demise of us all before their eyes are opened to the way things really work.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
We are all from the same source,no matter you’re beliefs. If we do not see that what we do to each other, we do to ourselves,we shall never awaken from this nightmare or hell on earth.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
Marik Bromine, if you don’t like money give all yours away, communism uses FORCE, that you FORCE your “ideas” through government and FORCE me to give sombody else money that I WORKED hard for. How is that a free society? Thats NWO bulls---. This movie is saying that the solution to the New World Order is more New World Order…?!?!?! Reminds me of the Federal Reserve saying the answer to inflation if printing up more money… c’mon, don’t be like helicopter ben!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 am
LOL..OMG…so…what do you call income tax..or welfare???…lol…are you not giving away your money to someone else?????????? How you could get such a delusional view of one man’s point of view is beyond my understanding. maybe you should get together with all of the other ZG haters a plot to kill Peter for his daring to put forth his view of what he thinks the world should be like..? humm? Maybe you can tell me where in that movie he says that there only be good things for he and his kind and the rest of us will suffer like slaves. whatever…you need to change from a non fluoridated toothpaste buck, cause your losing it. Freedom of expression is what I’m arguing.
signed
Helicopter Ben
October 16th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
I wonder how Peter Joseph (fake name?) would explain people who were born into a certain type of religious family only to convert to another type. He basically said all Christians come from Christian families, which isn’t true–remember the “I bet you a million dollars you’re from a Christian family”. Does that mean all atheists come from atheistically conditioned families? No. So the whole argument falls apart. If conditioning were everything, and assuming evolution to be true, then we’d all basically have the same conditioning–see an evolutionary chart for hominids. So why isn’t there a unified global conditioning? Why so many cultures and religions? Again, the argument falls apart. But then, only Peter Joseph is somehow immune or evolved beyond conditioning. Let’s all just get into Fresco’s reeducation pods. All hail Zeitgeist. When it comes to the Zeitgeist Cult, questions and resistance are archaic, outmoded, unevolved, and due to conditioning. If you don’t get it, you’re just obsolete.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
a fake name…wow…what a crime against humanity. News flash…you don’t know how humans evolved and neither does Pj..but he had the guts to put his into a film while he was exposing the bible and Christianity as nothing more than astro-theology. I have all of the old books…remarkable how the story is so close to the pagan religions.
this is nothing more than a pissing contest between believers of a fable that can be proven a fraud and people who just want truth once and for all.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
THANK YOU ALEX, I too, got s--- from the idiots raving about this brainwashing movie last week! It sucks you in real good at the beginning, only to later drop the lucifer, new age, anti- christian bomb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 am
is it un american to hold a different view? If people want to jump on board and follow another persons belief system, than that is where we are in failing ourselves, but don’t hold it against one man’s opinion. Your all acting like this is what is going to happen to the planet…that dasterly Peter J…how dare he think out loud in america where your only allowed to believe the story we give you. Kinda like the 9/11 commission report. What should have been a philosophical debate turned into another pissing contest over something that shouldn’t even matter really. Do you really need a book about someone who may or may not have existed to be a good person and to have compassion for others?? Are you really that weak in your mind? The zodiac is right there to look at…cross…sun on the cross…sun is reborn on the 25th..etc…all facts… what a cowinkydink.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
ZEITGEIST MOVEMENT IS SATANIC
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:13 am
lol…your satanic…
October 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I’m sorry, but this website, despite the huge importance of the information it presents has got it all wrong on the endgame.
Alex Jones bangs on about the left-right paradigm, while sitting neatly within the political spectrum himself. GET OUT OF THE PARADIGM!!
Humanity will never acheive its true potential until we realise that there are no ‘instincts’ other than to eat, breathe, f---. Thats it. We are not incentivised by self gain instinctually. We are programmed. and religion is a ridiculous insitution that has no place in humanity. How does Alex see religion as a good thing? Its corrupt, evil and thwarts humanity’s progression toward real truth; truth that is self-evident.
To publish articles on the website calling Zeitgeist ‘dangerous’ is absurd, and reveals the closed mindedness of AJ and co. (never thought i’d say that). It also reveals his fear that the truth movement is taking a new form, one of unity between nations and cultures, and understanding national sovereignty is not the answer, I mean for gods sake, you believe in world peace eh? How do we achieve that? Face facts, globalisation is ENEVITABLE, lets make it something we have control over. The constant focus on national sovereignty detracts from the real task of making globalisation accesible to all, not just the c---s who rule us.
AJ is a person set in his ways. He’s discovered his truth and wont alter it in the face of new revelations, which makes him as bad as the rest. I appreciate his work, but like Davis Icke says, I dont know whats worse, the new world order or the world AJ and co. want to see.
The form of pure libertarianism that AJ strives for can only lead to the kind of tyranny that he currently seeks to eradicate. Money does equal corruption. If AJ can understand the banking system was set up to manipulate the population, why cant he understand the inherant corrosive force of money, something created by the illuminati anyway.
Check out this complete s--- taken from above:
‘but it is false to portray those dictators as great humanitarians who cared only for the well being of their people. That is total bunk’
Is the author of this article really trying to suggest Peter Joseph makes out the dictators in question were looking out for the ultimate interests of their people? Come on, dictators all operate within the same modus operendi – to keep things as sweet as possible so people dont rock the boat.
Religion = Untruth
Humanity = ONE
AJ = Fast becoming a dinosaur.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Wow there are a great number of responses. At least people are thinking and talking about it, even if they are arguing.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I don’t think it’s fair to claim that this idea couldn’t work. Nobody can make that claim with any certainty. People have to have an opened mind to all solutions. This idea is just one group of people’s proposed solution. Yes, there are other solutions possible, but all should be considered in order to make the best decision.
One big point that I believe Alex and many others are missing from this idea, is that involvement in this movement would be completely and utterly voluntary. It is stated in the film. A group of likeminded people would begin living in this way, others would begin to see its benefits, and they would begin living in the same way when ready. This process would possibly take hundreds (possibly thousands) of years to spread significantly, but I believe the idea would spread.
The “reeducation” word is not being understood either. It’s a self-reeducation, not forced upon anyone. People would awaken to the logic of this way of life on their own terms, not by force. Many are not yet ready for this way of thinking, therefore they would not accept it, but their decedents eventually may. This is about individual awakening and understanding, NOT a forced thought process. It’s about choice.
This idea would definitely be imperfect, because humans are imperfect. That fact is also made clear in the film.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
alex you’ve turned nasty, what going on? That interview with the zeitgeist guy was so far beneath you.. you were rude! I love the information you bring and really appreciate what you do, but what happened was such poor form.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I too was not impressed how Alex tread Peter, his guest. It’s okay for Alex to have to views, but when someone else has other views that might need to be expressed Alex acts like a teenager. I’ve been listening to Alex for about two years and this really makes me want to tune out. I like the info Alex is providing, but I can get that elsewhere.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
God hates religion. And maybe The Christ has been here a lot longer than The Bible states. Maybe he was and is all of these figures, maybe he is the Quetzalcoatl character. Some (or none) may never know. But in any case, the first 3rd of the film bears explanation from religionists.
I’m listening…
October 16th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
“As if proof were needed that Alex Jones ought to play football for Italy, such is his foul play, when he supposedly gave his guest 10 minutes to speak uninterrupted he did so with heavy rock music in the background making it virtually impossible to follow what he was saying. ”
A pure, unadulterated LIE. There was no such music. What a liar. Alex gave him 10 minutes free and clear. If you heard music, it’s probably just the schizophrenia in your rotting mind. Stop lying.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
“When Communism Comes Again, Everything Will Happen” – Our Lady of Garabandal to Conchita
http://www.tldm.org/News10/Whe.....sAgain.htm
October 16th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Here’s another one.
If Christianity is soooo bad then why does the mainstream (zionillumanlatermaoblahah ists) media always destroying it or denouncing it?
I know it’s to create a war amongst the masses right?
Yeah but why don’t you see the same don’t with satanism, etc.
They say they’ve got a right to believe it (those other things satanism,etc.).
meh.
Atheism=arrogance=ignorance=STUPID
Zeitgeist= ZeitHeil
October 16th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
I don’t believe in any religion but I know I believe in God and Creation more than most of you. Zeitgeist videos are the the NWO right in your face. There’s a lot of Truth in them but the overall theme of the video’s is the implantation of the NWO…this planet is inhabited by humans and not by the zombie like creatures that the NWO wants to have in their so called Utopia. Religions are destorying every country on this planet…but the black majic religion of the NWO is much worse than other religions because they want to do away with all human traits and implant theirs into everyone that they let live in their dreamworld.
Alex would get his points across much better than screaming and hollering like he did in his interview with Peter the fool…let the man talk and his own ideas will will expose him for what he is.
Jmmanuel despised religions and humans tried to kill him…and according to him there will never be the religion of the NWO in charge of the world…so I don’t really pay any of their BS any attention.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 am
according to Immanual eh?? is the same guy you call Jesus??? When were you speaking to him anyway? Can you get him to email me with his plan so I can get it straight? you seem to know more than I. All I see is you parroting the same argument almost verbatim? are you even capable of an original thought of your own???…NWO IN YOUR FACE???..what a shame that you choose to ignore cold hard facts as they pertain to the Zodiac and astro-theology, in favor of a fable that asks you to just believe what we tell you even though it makes now sense to do so from an intellectual point of view.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Ironically I think both Alex Jones and his blind followers AND Peter Joseph and his blind followers have it RIGHT and have it WRONG…
Within this bold controversial system that Peter Joseph proposes in Zeitgeist Addendum I find it ironically aligns with a lot of the concepts that I was taught as a Christian growing up.
God originally intended no need for money, greed or competition henceforth equality for all and only then will we fully realize our potentials and be free to grow and prosper beyond what most humans imaginations can fathom as we HAVE been serverly CONDITIONED by this corrupt world into thinking money ya is good and it’s good to hate on your neighbour (whether it be next door or in Africa or China) if it means more stuff for you and your family and close friends.
But of course if this level of freedom is proposed by athiests to try and implement on society it will always be corrupted as man is imperfect.. and of course the perfect model is corrupted and turned into Communism or any other label you need to demonize the concepts Mr. Joseph has explored… (this statement, i understand, will be hated by the athiest as they will argue that religion has conditioned me to believe that man is not perfect and living in Satan’s world etc. I understand this, yet, even without any particular affiliation with any religion I just cannot believe that man can take the reigns on it’s own to breakout and make utopic changes on it’s own)
Now under Alex’s model of less gov’t with little or no corruption in a capitalist society leading to better equality is also a seemingly tall pipe dream in itself. As with this system guided under man and his imperfect ways always leads to exploitation maybe only a little at first but eventually to 700$ billion dollar bailouts for elites etc…
Overall there are good ideas in both of these men’s dreams and in all of the people here looking for a better way to live. I think it is positive and encouraging but before one side demonizes another realize that there is no easy answer when imperfect men and women are the ones in charge.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 am
EXACTLY…FOLLOWERS…SHEEP…SEE?
THINK FOR YOURSELF
October 16th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
Peter Joseph was calm, intelligent and measured and Alex Jones behaved like a dumb teenager. I was thoroughly embarrassed!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:36 am
I am curious as to why you would be “thoroughly embarrassed!”?? are you Aj’s mom??? HELLO MRS JONES
October 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Who amongst us is perfect?
Alex and Peter have egos, they have frustrations, they have passion, they’re both flesh and blood. Yesterday I heard a synthesis of their two worlds, clashing and melding. It was real and that’s what matters to me.
Mankind is where it is, and this is the bottom line… Every grooling, and or ecstatic step of our evolution, as a species, is necessary and just. Every trial and tribulation serves a purpose. What we have is exactly what we’ve created and deserve. This is what I believe.
Man is on his way. However, we are not soon to arise above our bodily, earthly needs and devices, or desire to! Just when and how man will make the next evolutionary step is unknown!? Who is to say we will even notice it’s passing? What I do know, is that our makeup is precisely what it needs to be, right now. Man is what he is.
Handling reality demands both pragmatism and philosophy; the tangible, and intangible.
I’m very grateful to Alex, Peter and the many others who have expanded my mind, and thereby changed me and how I contribute. You’re the best of us, when the worst is brought out in mankind.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:39 am
I heard no ego in the voice of peter…keep in mind…I like Alex…but Pj was invited to a radio show and was accosted ..i think a definition of “ego” is in order.
good post otherwise though IMO
October 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
#151 You have to understand. The reason that this movie contains things that people like us want to hear about like how bad the fed is or the alternate energy sources, ect, is so that we are led down the wrong path. Nobody in our movement says that these are bad ideas, but when a bad idea uses good ideas to prop it up is is up to those of us that can see the whole thing for what it is to stop it in it’s tracks. Zeitgeist is only there to create more separation in the ranks, to confuse and to bewilder the inexperienced and already corrupted elements of our group. Just because someone raises good points doesn’t mean they are good people. Be critical of everything, even Alex Jones, because even he makes mistakes from time to time. I tend to trust Alex above almost anyone else in this movement because he always backs-up what he says, and he actually seems like he’s talking truth. You can tell the man cares, he’s not fake, not like the other mainstream news outlets or the vast majority of politicians. We that care about this country, freedom, our families, this planet, and all the other good things in life need to look at this insane movie and any others like it and really think about what the people involved are saying. Wolves in sheep’s clothing are some of the most dangerous things to our freedom that are out there, and this is like a whole pack.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:42 am
“you have to understand”…lol
October 16th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
The word truth and Bible unless separated with the word not in the same sentence is a joke. Why Christians think they have the monopoly on the word God I dont know. Faith that Jesus will return and kick satans ass is the main problem with Christianity. Waiting for Jesus to fix things AFTER Armageddon.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 am
thank you
October 16th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Zeitgeistist worships the Sun and Earth. Low vibration worship of the creation instead of the Creator.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:43 am
no it does not…what is your definition of the “creator” ?????? DIG?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
CHAOS THEORY REVISITED (No time for God):
“You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, ‘What did that man pick up?’ ‘He picked up a piece of the truth,’ said the devil. ‘That is a very bad business for you, then,’ said his friend. ‘Oh, not at all,’ the devil replied, ‘I am going to help him organize it.’
I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path.”
- Jiddu Krishnamurti
October 16th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
There is no creative impulse in the absence of discontent.
To my “simple” mind this seems to hold true to both the Zietgeist “endgame” and the NWO’s.solutions come with the gut instinct that there is a problem.
while Mr. Joseph has some great ideas, that are a testament to human creativity,and one day may exist,i think he looks too far into the future for solutions we need NOW.his version of the future will never see the light of day as long as members of secret societies are in power.which IS the case now.i think this is where Alex has my full support.Freedom is under attack now.Freedom to even express the ideas that Joseph puts foward.
and Joseph should not forget that true freedom requires that people who have faith in the spiritual and the “supernatural” are allowed to practice those beliefs, as long as the practice or the putting into action of those beliefs does not infringe on others freedom.when you shut them up ….you shut yourself up.that is the concept of a free people.so the question is HOW do you stop millions from believing they are a smaller piece of something bigger than us all?it seems to me that we cant.and most attempts have been by force,which leads to bloodshed.that is the direction i think Alex was taking the debate.HOW do you stop faith?the precedent is set…by force…what is the other option?
and the fact that Joseph does not BELIEVE in religion is of no consequence.millions do believe and that will effect everyone.and the people in control have a system already in place, to achieve “their” future.it must be stopped NOW,before any other solution can be put into effect.
Great job Alex…your passion continues to impress me, as well as your concept of liberty.with your wisdom combined with the many others…the NWO order is surely doomed.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Remember the part of the interview where Peter Joseph slips up when he was talking about someone waking up a thousand years in one of Fresco’s controlled cities? He slipped up and said something along the lines of “Such a person would be obsolete because he might try to DEFEND himself. He’d have to be reeducated.”
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
so? are you implying that he meant that there would be electrodes hooked up to this poor soul’s nips?…I think your reaching there buck
October 16th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Hey, Sean – maybe you are listening to a different broadcast to me (to be kind to somebody who resorts to abuse) or maybe you just didn’t hear the whole interview. Maybe your hearing ain’t too good. But listen, dude, I’m not in the habit of lying.
I’ve been listening to Alex Jones since 2000 and I like a lot of what he says but I don’t revere him. If anybody offends me – regardless of their standpoint – I will say it like it is.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:47 am
thank you sir
October 16th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Alex embarrassed himself, and us, yesterday in this interview. He is so intimidated by educated people that he resorts to drowning them out by talking over them and his ridiculous caveman growls. That whole thing came across as Alex jealous of the Zeitgeist movie success. “I was the first on to offer my movies free on the internet” and “I was the first one out with a 911 movie” and “I supose you think you’re ALWAYS right … that you NEVER make a mistake?” …
I’m so over Alex.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:49 am
Mr and Mrs Jones…is that you? so sad that you were embarrassed today…he is only human you know. maybe he had a bad day? Don’t give up on him…he is still a good boy who is waking up a lot of people.
…sorry, I can’t resist teasing those who would be embarrassed by what someone else has to say.
that’s kind of weird don’t ya think?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
to #63 Bye Bye Banks-you misunderstood what I wrote, I didn’t say that I agreed with it, my point was that is what Peter Joseph believes.
I’m fully awake to the NWO corruption and am totally against it. Right now I’m driving around with “No to a Police State” painted on the rear window of my car.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Heidi gets it
October 16th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
ok listen stupid people, peter was talking about the venus project he didnt say it was a utopia not at all
u dont have to be a part of it, u can remain in a corrupted world or u can join project venus, money does not bring happiness, only productivity to create and control existence brings real self esteem.
and the the 100th time god is fake no one sees or can prove no one has physical evidence if its not physical then it simply does not exist.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:52 am
I won’t be joining anything…ZG is great but ya know…I don’t follow anything or sign up to anything except my own truth…that is what got us into this mess in the first place.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
hold people underwater long enough, and they will beg for farts to breath…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 am
wow…and your point was??…it went over my head
October 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
If The new world order is against religion , maybe i need to look at it again. Religion is for maniacs i want no part of that. Maybe NWO is not so bad if its against Religion… ONly one thing i know for a fact …Religion Is the Devil , without it the world would be better off..
Myth Fear monguring is the Total makeup of religion, why would anyone in their right mind support religion? Islam or Christianity are the same KoolAid ….It always ends the same , Murder and persecution…WAR… As a life long Jesus lover , I see the error of my ways, it was religion and beliving in Buslls--- who drove me to hate others and justify their death.. Its a Cancer thats clear to me now.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:54 am
congrats on your new found clarity gene. peace to you…you are forgiven…am I?
October 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
#189 – the site that you give includes a lot of apparitions that are not approved, Bayside being one of them. Apparitions that SHOULD be focused on are La Salette, Fatima, and Akita. Anyone that truly wants to understand the end times, needs to read the words of Our Lady.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Peter Joseph is known as Peter Joseph (VII) according to the IMDB. Hmm. Who was the 6th?
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:56 am
and the 5th and the 7th…maybe a rothschild…oooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…look out
October 16th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
When i watched Peter’s film I saw how he was relating the stars to many items, The Bible says this too, and noticed the dragon throws the stars down apon those who look at them. That said i also know how much the RCC Church is using the very same thing. So I knew what Peter was saying, but he did not define it well enough. And due to this and his own confusion on that very topic I too had to retract the movie from the site. Not because of what I think it was because of several complaints I got after posting it. That movie will mislead some in a tornado. Therefore, I do like the movie, and I see what he is trying to say, I wish he would investigate it better and not leave it as open ended as he did. OR simply leave that stuff out.
Religion I can agree with you, but seeing our creator for who he is, anyway.
Great work should not be killed due to this extra stuff, well ultimately it is Peters choice.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
i liked the memory metal.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
No matter how you feel about the movie, yesterday’s guest spot with Peter was a disaster at the very least.
I’ve only been listening for about 5 years, but that was Alex at his absolute worst, IMO.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
your opinion is respected…thank you
October 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
You people just don’t get it. I would gladly live in a society that the Venus Project and Peter Joseph speaks of. But, it won’t happen for hundreds of years just as Peter and the Project have stated because people like Alex and the rest of you espousing lies and ignorance about Peter, Zeitgeist and the Venus Project are intellectually incapable of understanding what it really means. And, since you are intellectually incapable of understanding it you fear it and you resort to abhorence and hate and attacking it.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
the zeitgeist movement is far from satanic… its raises consciousness thru critical thinking.. I was raised in a “christian” household. By the time I was 16 or 17 I really loat all belief in the religous part of life… The most fake and flakiest people I’ve known are church lovers… Im 25 yrs old now , I dont judge people who have “faith” but I need something a lil more concrete than a partially fictional tale of floods ,virginbirths and defying gravity….. zeitgeist is about unity and if you dont see that ur blind to the REAL truth
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 am
don’t forget walking on water
October 16th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
Its going to take an act of GOD to get me into any religion ever again, GOD him self must apply in person…NO MORE BULLs--- LIES, MYTHS, and Messengers..
If GOD needs my soul He will have to show up him self and ask for it. Im so Done with all you maniacs who justify the murder and Injustice.
Religion is the oldest Fearmongring on earth. We were Repakaged and Educated by religion maybe we need a completely different View. This Religious View has Murdered Millions in the name of GOD…wake up.. The Church is the road to Hell, if there is such a thing… Hitler was a devoted Christian ,the Vatican was his HOME. Look what he did !!! NO THANKS, KEEP YOUR KOOL AID !!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
I just wanted to say that I watched the live show with the zeitgeist movie maker, Peter Joseph, and I have to say to you Mr. Joseph that your idea of a one world utopia, You know what that is? It is called the New World Order! Also to all of you who are putting Alex Jones down for what he talked about yesterday he is totally right! This man Peter Joseph is putting out this propaganda to impressionable people and talking about God spirits and how good it feels inside. Yet he calls Jesus a character in the bible! Well you cannot have God without Jesus. Everything you are putting in your movie is just your own idea of what you think God and spirituality is. So how can you say Alex is wrong and that religion is causing the problems of the world when you are double talking and saying the same thing in your movie. I guess it is okay for you to have your religion but no one else can. I can tell you right now that YOU and ALL of the people in the world who do not want to believe in God that is the God from the bible is what is wrong with the world today and why these things are happening. It is even prophesied in the bible that the exact things that are happening will happen. I pray that if any of your viewers are reading this comment, pickup your bible get one if you do not have one and read Revelations and the book of Daniel and the book of Matthew. All prophecies of the bible have come true! They are all prophecies of God! They name names and they name places! One of the biggest prophecies in the bible that prove 100% that Jesus is coming in our generation is that it says when Israel becomes a nation that will start the end. Israel became a nation in 1948. Not only did it come true that Israel became a nation, but the bible said it will become a nation in one day. Well you know what? Israel became a nation in one day!! It says end times will be like labor pains of a woman in labor. It will start out slow at first then faster and faster. Well I would say that we are close to the end as things are escalating very quickly the last few months. Peter Joseph and all the people on these radio shows including Alex Jones always say to do your research. Well the best place to start your research is in the bible and the word of God. If you read it and you still do not believe it fine. You need to at least try. I believe that people would rather listen and believe something easy. Mr. Joseph keeps talking about this utopian society, but he does not tell you how to get there does he? I call that easy. The easy part of that is that you can talk and talk but you never get answers. All the answers are in the bible. Its that simple.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 am
Pam Pam Pam…what this man Peter Joseph did was merely speak his mind and create a movie because as an intellectual, he needs more than just blind faith in a story that in reality is no different than Santa Claus the Easter Bunny, and the tooth fairy.
When I go to source material I investigate who it is that I’m reading. So…the bible…did God write the bible? did jesus write the bible? we’re you there to witness this bible? hummmm
time for you to start over with your researching of what your going to blindly follow and plz don’t accuse me of being a heathen when you nothing about the good deeds I do. To think I could go to eternal hell after all the good I have done only because I don’t believe a story that is no different than the stories I read my little girl.
Its that simple Pammy…is this Pam anderson…cause that would explain a lot
October 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Somehow I doubt that yesterday’s guest will return in a month to take calls….
October 16th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
I would like to comment on 165. You are correct about the religious part of Zeitgeist (part 1)being inspired by the four decade long research of Jordan Maxwell. I have had the great pleasure of meeting and talking with Jordan and we must remember something about his message: While he calls out the reiligous institutions as being at the “bottom of the dirt” and condemns The Vatican’s 1900 year reign of religious persecution, he also has the highest respect for spirituality, The Bible and all of the scriptures. He says there are encoded meanings written within the scriptures that are of great significance in understand the history of humankind. Jordan Maxwell tells a very important story along the road to enlightenment and perhaps Alex Jones should have him on to comment about Religion.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 am
you are so on the money with that post.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Venus = Sirius = dog star = Lucifer! nuff said.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
One more thing I have to add, and this is the place to do it.
Oct 15 8:48 in podcast, Alex says:
Talk about oversimplification!! I’ve heard this one so many times I’ve just got to say something.
Alex, I am indeed rethinking my belief in global warming based on your exposition of the variation in sunspots — well attested — and temperatures of other local planets and moons. This is a solid position you have taken. But to summarize the position of the believers in human-induced global warming as “carbon dioxide is bad ‘n evil and a toxic waste” is, well, patently infantile and petulant. You’re not discussing: you’re pouting!
Look at it this way: it’s not the fact of carbon dioxide, but the proportion. Is there such a thing as “too much of a good thing”? Is CO2 a good thing? Yes. Can there be too much of it? Yes. Same with water: it’s called a flood. If I work to control flooding, does that mean I am against water?
As the famous quip goes that Studs Turkel used before the Army-McCarthy hearings, “If Hitler is against cancer, does that mean we’re for cancer?”
October 16th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
This page doesn’t address one of the main messages of Zeitgeist and countless other movies like it which is that a galalctic alignment is coming. This would increase the waves of energy coming from the cosmos and an evolution of the consciousness would take place, totally reconstructing the nature of man. THis galactic alignment only takes place every 5,000 or so years. I’m not saying I beleive this stuff but it is worth looking into and ya’ll will be surprised with the amount of information out there.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Alex Jones completely embarrassed himself and anybody who listens to his show.
All of Alex’s sycophants think that Zeigeist Addendum calls for “World Government”. Amazing, absurd and utterly fear-mongering.
People can choose which path they want to travel. Convecting the ideal of ANY governance, assuming CENTRALIZED American society is best, is going against the very ideas alleged to be followed by “The Liberty Movement” and Libertarians.
If you really wanted OUT of the system, you simply would be. If a group decided to conduct a society as they fit, sans currency and squabbling over scarcity of food, jobs and housing, they would be SQUASHED by the United States Federal Government, even IF Ron Paul was elected.
There is no true sovereignty, as long as ANY form of Federal Government with a standing army, stands between a man and his necessities of life.
All you redneck fools are going down with the ship, with our without your gold and silver coins.
People do love their servitude, including that of the “America” they constantly try to defend. Remember, the founding fathers were Freemasons and chartered the governance based on Rome, Greece and other institutions that did nothing but control populations, creativity and stifled the growth of freedom.
You were given your rights by slave-owning elite. Now you live in economic slavery where YOU provide your OWN food and board.
HAHA!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:11 am
I listen to his show everyday…I’m not embarrassed. He is Alex and I am me. he makes his bed and I make mine.
I guess I will see you in hell bud…nice outlook…yikes!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
Premo, post 221. Please learn to use COMMON SENSE! It’s something God gave you, so use it!
Do you really believe that the complexity of humanity, and the complexity of the earth somehow magically morphed out of dust, dirt, and gasses?
Common logic dictates that dust, dirt, and gasses cannot form the highly complex human eye, or the complex nervous system.
You have to think a little deeper than what they taught you in public school. WAKE UP!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
I thought Alex’s treatment of Joseph was far from cordial, and quite childish at times. I’m a fan of Alex and I go along with Griffins and Jones summation of the movie. But on this occasion I think Alex was riled and resorted to below the belt tactics unecessarily. Going against his own words that we should forget our differences and stick together.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
Whooo-hooooo!
I just found the off button!
Alex, you are really starting to do my f---ing head in!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
CHAPTER 72
Jesus in Jerusalem. Drives the merchants out of the temple. The priests resent, and he defends himself from the standpoint of a loyal Jew. He speaks to the people.
THE Jewish paschal feast time came and Jesus left his mother in Capernaum and journeyed to Jerusalem. 2 And he abode with one a Sadducee, whose name was Jude. 3 And when he reached the temple courts the multitudes were there to see the prophet whom the people thought had come to break the yoke of Rome, restore the kingdom of the Jews, and rule on David’s throne. 4 And when the people saw him come they said, All hail! behold the king! 5 But Jesus answered not; he saw the money changers in the house of God, and he was grieved. 6 The courts had been converted into marts of trade, and men were selling lambs and doves for offerings in sacrifice. 7 And Jesus called the priests and said, Behold, for paltry gain you have sold out the temple of the Lord. 8 This house ordained for prayer is now a den of thieves. Can good and evil dwell together in the courts of God? I tell you, no. 9 And then he made a scourge of cords and drove the merchants out; he overturned their boards, and threw their money on the floor. 10 He opened up the cages of the captive birds, and cut the cords that bound the lambs, and set them free. 11 The priests and scribes rushed out, and would have done him harm, but they were driven back; the common people stood in his defence. 12 And then the rulers said, Who is this Jesus you call king? 13 The people said, He is the Christ of whom our prophets wrote; he is the king who will deliver Israel. 14 The rulers said to Jesus, Man, if you be king, or Christ, then show us signs. Who gave you right to drive these merchants out? 15 And Jesus said, There is no loyal Jew who would not give his life to save this temple from disgrace; in this I acted simply as a loyal Jew, and you yourselves will bear me witness to this truth. 16 The signs of my messiahship will follow me in words and deeds. 17 And you may tear the temple down (and you will tear it down) and in three days it will be built again more glorious than before. 18 Now Jesus meant that they might take his life; tear down his body, temple of the Holy Breath, and he would rise again. 19 The Jews knew not the meaning of his words; they laughed his claims to scorn. They said, 20 A multitude of men were forty and six years in building up this house, and this young stranger claims that he will build it up in three score hours; his words were idle, and his claims are naught. 21 And then they took the scourge with which he drove the merchants out, and would have driven him away; but Philo, who had come from Egypt to attend the feast, stood forth and said, 22 You men of Israel, hear! This man is more than man; take heed to what you do. I have, myself, heard Jesus speak, and all the winds were still. 23 And I have seen him touch the sick, and they were healed. He stands a sage above the sages of the world; 24 And you will see his star arise, and it will grow until it is full-orbed Sun of Righteousness. 25 Do not be hasty, men; just wait and you will have the proofs of his messiahship. 26 And then the priests laid down the scourge, and Jesus said, 27 Prepare, O Israel, prepare to meet your king! But you can never see the king while you press sin as such a precious idol to your hearts. 28 The king is God; the pure in heart alone can see the face of God and live. 29 And then the priests cried out, This fellow claims to be the God. Is not this sacrilege! away with him! 30 But Jesus said, No man has ever heard me say, I am a king. Our Father-God is king. With every loyal Jew I worship God. 31 I am the candle of the Lord aflame to light the way; and while you have the light walk in the light.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Who the f--- is jason bumas……??? anyways…….
some punk you can bounce ur bulls--- off of……???????????????????
alex is sounding like more of a baby today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shut the f--- up seriously
ur acting like an idot
October 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
“Do you really believe that the complexity of humanity, and the complexity of the earth somehow magically morphed out of dust, dirt, and gasses?
Common logic dictates that dust, dirt, and gasses cannot form the highly complex human eye, or the complex nervous system.
You have to think a little deeper than what they taught you in public school. WAKE UP!”
Is this what you believe “Zeitgeist” is suggesting, by debunking your Jesus myth?
It’s amazing that when somebody shows your bologna RELIGIONS are false, you think they don’t believe in spirituality and the power of the human spirit.
Your religions do nothing but FORCE servitude to humanity by inherently making them feel unworthy and “under” some greater power. But if people simply understood they are part of that greater power and not a slave to it, there would be no subservience of mankind whatsoever.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
As someone who has studied in a Catholic Seminary, I know that the evidence presented in Zeitgeist is 90% truth and 10% lies. It has great information, but when it tries to discredit Christianity, it falls short. It has ZERO evidence. Anyone that believes that nonsense has never done any research themselves on Christian history or theology. I personally know a 32nd degree mason who has admitted that the purpose of freemasonry has always been the destruction of the Catholic Church. Why have this as your goal, if they’re both supposedly on the same side?
People need to get this into their heads: The devil is real, and the NWO is paving the way for the Antichrist. Everything becomes clear after that.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
your delusional..also…no freemason told you anything, they don’t talk…not at the 32 deg unless your 32 degree
no proof…you show me the proof of what you believe…and i will compare that to what is offered up by Jordon Maxwell and good ‘ol Peter J. otherwise your just another parrot…scratch that…the only proof you have to offer is the bible and I have already been there done that.
poly want a cracker?
October 16th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Money: Humans place value on everything from basics like food and shelter as well as all other desires. Throughout time mankind has used these values and developed market systems for trade of goods and services. There is nothing wrong with having a monetary system. The problems arise when power mongers hijack the systems.
Nature vs. Nurture: BOTH are instrumental to the development of any person. It is not ALL environment like Peter Joseph stated. Scientific studies of twins separated at birth prove this.
Human diversity and free will allow for the evolution of mankind. Problem-solving is the building block for progress. We need problems to overcome, we need opposing forces, we need to debate. This is intrinsically human. This is the world as it has always been and will always be.
Peter Joseph’s ideas are not new and have never been successful because it is in direct opposition to human nature.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:20 am
wrong…people will never kill for what they already have…put that in your head and think on it
October 16th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
All you people calling for an ‘answer” better than the one offered in Zeitgeist, I have one. THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION!!!!!The money problem is answered there, as well as the government problem, tax problem etc. The problem is that Nobody holds our Government accountable. It is “we the people” who are responsible for our renegade government, and the Constitution says that when they act as they have been, We are responsible for taking them out of office and replacing them with a government that will follow the guidelines given by the Constitution.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:22 am
and what about the rest of the planet? What about the starving folks in Africa? are they supposed to revolt against tyranny on a half bowl of rice????
October 16th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Funny how the Zeitgeist proponents accuse people of being “conditioned” if they disagree with the so-called “solutions” in the movie. This is the most commonly used propogandist tactic.
I am not “conditoned” to have doubts about the magic fairy tale they present. That’s called USING MY BRAIN.
The “solution” they offer is not a solution at all. It is a pipe dream with no practical plan to be acheived or maintained. Just “It will happen some day, if we want it to” and according to some proponents of the film “It will happen someday whether you like it or not”. This is PROPOGANDA people, get a grip on yourselves.
They do not offer a coherent practical plan how to move from todays society to their utopia. It is not “conditioning” that makes me raise questions and objections, it is CRITICAL THINKING.
You want me to get on board your Utopian dream? THen show me some PRACTICAL methods how we can make the transition. Show me a plan that stands up to SCRUTINY. Don’t be a propogandist who accuses me of being “conditioned” or being a “bible thumper”, show me LOGIC and a plan that can stand up to PEER REVIEW.
I AM NOT RELIGIOUS. I AM NOT CHRISTIAN. But it is easy to spot religious hate. I should know, because that’s how I used to be. I used to think relition was THE problem in the world. Until I woke up and I understood how globalist elites use religion against people just as they do money and sex and politics and everything else. Religion is NOT the problem. The NEW WORLD ORDER is the problem.
It is quite obvious to me that 50% or more of the proponents of this film simply HATE religion and aim to discredit anyone who has any hint of religious motivation.
This film is not trustowrthy because it does NOT offer a solution to defeat the NEW WORLD ORDER. In fact it fails to mention the existence of NWO at all and instead many fools come away from this film with the idea that RELIGION is the cause of the problems.
Relition is a TOOL that can be used for good or for eveil, just like all of our other tools in society that have been hijacked by the NWO. This film suggests that we destroy all of our TOOLS instead of using them to attack the problem.
Indeed there is some truth and good information in this movie. Just enough of it to sound credible before they hit you with massive propoganda. This is how propogandists work. There are 2 main effects of this.
1) Push the fence-sitters away by discrediting the serious work of the truth movement by associating it with half-baked utopian ideology. People who were on the verge of waking up and fighting against the NWO will be turned off byt he ridiculous ideas presented in this film and will doubt the mental stability of the truth movement. They will go back to sleep and continue to support the system that enslaves them.
2) Divide the truth movement into religious and anti-religious camps. Into utopian and realist camps. Cause fighting and distraction, and waste time and energy so we will become discouraged. You can read these comments and see how VERY EFFECTIVE this film has been.
This video is a perfect example of PRS – Problem->Reaction->Solution. Utopia is a pipe dream and a TOOL to shut down your critical thiking process.
You’ve been fooled. Hook line and sinker. WAKE UP.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:24 am
nah…you’ve been fooled hook line and sinker…IT WAS ONE MAN’S OPINION PUT FORTH IN A MOVIE…….DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
JASON BURMAS IS A RETARD.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GET HIM THE f--- OFF THE SHOW……..HE MAKES ME SICK …….AND ALEX IS LYING THROUGH HIS TEETH TODAY…………………
ANYONE AGREE?????????
HES LYING.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:29 am
Dean…so much hate. Jason Burmas is a retard??? You think there will be room for that kind of character destruction due to nothing more than opinions in the new paradigm? I hope not. Otherwise I’ve spent a lot of time keepin that aggression in check for nothing. Imagine, I could move on to the next paradigm and still get to call people names and punch out those who think different than I. Sounds like fun
October 16th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Alex was too confrontational yesterday. Actually he acted like a big horses ass. I am beginning to think that Alex IS just a fear mongerer trying to make profit off of people who are scared.
I have lost all respect for him as a radio talk show host. He’s sacred. Scared that he will lose Info-warriors to the Zeitgeist Movement.
Or Alex Jones is working for the same people he says are “evil” and knows that Peter Joseph may very well be right on track.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
seriously 2 hours on this today?
and then bringing on Bermis to back you up and get his knees dusty blowing you and to make you feel better about sounding like you were 12 yesterday.
i dont watch the msm because i listen to alex to go over the critical news stories of the day.
the debate?
the economy?
the meltdown of the constitution?
when you waste everyone’s time trying to inflate your ego as opposed to informing people you make yourself look like an idiot.
obvious to any of us who listen daily can see that alex was “served” yesterday and the comments about his 30 dollar videos that peter made really got under his skin.
i think alex needs to look up the definition of a “guest” and take some lessons on journalism from his friend George Noory.
i just set up a C2C account because im done with aj the yelling maniac, i will still tune in from time to time,but at least Noory can conduct an interview.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I’m going to start this by saying that I really enjoyed the first Zeitgeist very much, and showed it to all my friends, but like many films in today’s world producers seem to expand on one idea until the very fans responsible for the films success not only don’t recognize the film, but will go out of their way to explain why the film now sucks the proverbial BIG ONE. This film however doesn’t suck.
Addendum has great production value, I mean I was seriously impressed, the score was great, just like the first, and painted a mystical tone about what you are watching, and here it comes, the big hairy but, BUT, the solution for the film seemed very low brow, childish, and something I have heard thousands of times before, especially way back in college when I was getting high with my theater friends. Whereas I think the idea of this one world Utopia is great in theory, one that I really did ascribe to back in my “high” college years, to the point where I really agreed with the tenants of Plato’s Republic, it just is not possible, and in all honesty I would argue go against human nature.
The main reason it is not possible is because it is such a drastic change from the way our society has always functioned even before society. As much as people don’t want to admit to it, humans have always awarded the more productive, even when we where living in collective communities before “civilization”. The best hunters would usually receive more meat, a fertile wife, or just be more highly respected, than a lesser hunter. Even in modern collectives you can witness this, all though again the people in that collective will never admit to it, there is always a handful of people that can “get s--- done”, and usually they will be more respected and will always be asked for advise when big decisions have to be made.
My point being it is impossible to not have class systems, even when everything is given to us, and all we have to do all day is study our passions, the people who excel at those passions will be more highly respected thus creating a class right there. Even in Plato’s Republic there was a class that would make all the decisions, and in Addendum’s idea that technology will liberate us, I would argue that either the creators, maintainers, or even the technology itself would make up a class system, possibly the more respected class.
The second reason this will never work, not that we shouldn’t always dream, is humans are so diverse in both culture and tradition, it is just plain stupid to think we could be “one” in the since that we will as humans, agree to a single set of rules and regulations. I will us dogs as an example. All dogs are canines, but certain dogs say a German Shepard will have a higher predator instinct than say a chihuahua, like some humans are just more aggressive than others, and will always seek a place of power, and it’s usually not for the benefit of everyone else. Once in power he or she will do what ever it takes to keep the power.
In conclusion competition always has and always will drive the human spirit. Just look how many people are motivated by a competition known as the election. To remove this competitive drive from humans would be to destroy a very important part of what we are. We can never be truly ONE and I would say that we never should because it is our differences that drive us and our competitive spirit than drives us to make things better.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
(You people need to chill. It seems Alex hit a soft spot questioning your LORD Joseph)
ALL OF YOU IDIOTS WHO ARE CRITICIZING ALEX JONES FOR ATACKING THIS PAWN OR EITHER DUMM AS HELL, OR TO LAZY TO DO SOME REASEARCH. HAVE YOU READ THIS ARTICAL??? WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE EVERY CHRISTAIN KNOWS ALEX IS RIGHT. YOU GUYS NEED TO THINK FOR YOUR SELFS. NOW REMMBER THESE VERSUSES:
Matthew 12: 25 and 26
“And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? “
This is for the wise open your eyes time is short.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:37 am
jesus spent a lot of time calling people “f---ing idiots” ??? I hope jesus can spell better than you. usually when you do a lot of reading, you can spell at least at the 5th grade level. Cram your bible verses..I didn’t need Zeitgeist to tell me that the “official story” is bull…and I suspect it’s the same for all of those who are truly awake to that side of the bog dupe. It is this doubt that draws people to zeitgeist in the first place.
Lord Joseph??? lol…just because I WATCHED HIS MOVIE?? and was happy that it jived with my intuitive feelings??? You need to detox from your aspartame and fluoride and good luck with that, I will see you on the other side
October 16th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
You know I have seen these movies as with the Alex Jones movies. I think it is fundamentally dangerous to put all your “stones” in one basket. It’s good to hear all points of view. I do agree Alex did blow a fuse. I personally believe that is exactly what Joseph wanted. I personally know people exactly like that. They push peoples buttons until they break then act the innocent victim. Well in my mind there is no innocent victim. Alex is very reactionary we all know that. I don’t get why so many people are surprised by this. I don’t agree with 100 percent of what Joseph and the Zeitgeist movies are all about. I don’t agree with everything Alex says either. I think people should wake up give a s--- and take personal responsibility to learn to grow to fight. But take responsibility don’t just f---ing follow whom ever with whatever they think.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
The 1960s saw a popular movement (some call it the Hippy Movement) that saw a shift in people’s desires for ‘goods’ causing such panic in the marketing entities of the US that massive psychological enterprises were developed to counter this movement. The BBC made a documentary – back in the days before 9/11 – called ‘there is a policeman inside all our heads’ (which can be seen on google video and youtube). Now, taking that onboard, Zeitgeist and its Addendum are excellent for not only pointing things out – which Alex Jones is also very good at – but in offering solutions to those things by means that do not entail violence, guns, conflict (swaping to a smaller car, leaving your job for an unethical institution, etc). But it seems that the biggest problem that this phenomenon has highlighted is just how insecure people feel about their religious beliefs. If God existed and its religion was true there would be no reason to worry, feel insulted, angry or ’superior’. People ARE troubled about these things, but this ‘trouble’ only serves to blind people from reason. And anybody who argues any point without accessing REASON and logic is simply fishing with clouds. The fact of the matter is that this planet makes food for free, and the resources available on this planet have nothing to do with money, credit, cash or barter. These latter are inventions, and that’s what we are good at: inventing. Inventing Religions, Gods, Enemies, Monetary systems, histories, and eventually we will invent ’systems’ to live without money, crime, slavery, ‘evil’ and all those other negative things. This is inevitable. When people get to grips with this they will start to see means by which to arrive at that future. (does anyone seriously think that 50,000 years in the future humans will still work for food and live as wage slaves?)
October 16th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
it was obvious that the 1st Zeitgeist was disinformation. The section on religion is straight out of Freemason literature. Disinfo can contain truth, but relies on DELIBERATE DECEPTION to push a whole different agenda.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
Correction — that should have been Jenseits von Gut und Böse, (not Bösen — I had in the back of my mind that section of Parsifal where he says “Wer fürchte mich?” and Kundry answers “die Bösen!”
October 16th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
Seems like everyone here should read Atlas Shrugged – the classic novel about a struggle between idealism and realism set in the post-war industrial era.
In case you haven’t read it yet (and I can kind of tell who hasn’t), realism means that what is in front of you is in front of you, desire(greed) motivates human behavior because desire motivates human behavior, something that weighs 4 pounds weighs 4 pounds, liars lie and cheaters cheat, A is A, reality is reality so deal with it!
The real danger of idealism is that at some point the idealist gets the notion that simply advocating for change doesn’t seem to work, so they determine to force people to “be better” through things like “sin taxes”, forced recycling through phony Environmentalist Groups, or even going over to your uncle’s house everyday to confiscate any unhealthy foods you find because he is overweight but doesn’t want to be healthy, and you know better. Always the result of idealism is tyranny in one form or another.
In other words, there are plenty of good, real reasons to not smoke, recycle, and eat right, but if people just don’t want to do it they just don’t want to do it.
If you are lucky enough to have been born with a mind that can see that and still be happy in this life, congratulations! Much more reality awaits us.
If you know what everyone should think and do and will do whatever it takes to force them to do it, and you won’t be happy (i.e. realize your profit) until they do, congratulations! Much more reality awaits you as well.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
“Zeitgeist” and its “Addendum” are PURE NWO PROPAGANDA advocating a One World Religion, One World Government, One World Economy etc. At the very least the religion parts of both movies are New Age Bulls---to.
Both movies are OBVIOUS Big BUDGET productions. Who pays for that? Could it be the same people that convinced us that Forced Public Education would help us advance when in fact it was meant to turn us into non-critical thinking consumer zombies? aka The Rockefeller’s, Rothschild’s, Fords etc.
Yes these movies are truly dangerous but they will only mislead those who are already mostly misguided…the VAST MAJORITY.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
The creator of zeitgeist and anyone who thinks like him is delusional. To believe that life can some into existence on it’s own is DELUSIONAL no matter how you look at it. Evolution is a lie, no one has ever observed macro-evolution even on a molecular level. The fact is that the evolutionary timeline is wrong and it based on a fossil record that they have reorganized to make it appear that evolution has been happening, when it hasn’t . Ancient societies around the world described, drew and sculpted exact representations of what dinosaurs looked like hundreds and thousands of years before their fossils were even excavated and put together in 1842. If the dinosaurs really did die out millions of years then it would be impossible for anyone to know what they looked like, but the fact that people drew and scultpted these exact representaions of dinosaurs long before their fossils were discovered proves that they haven’t had time to “evolve” into birds.
The Genesis account is accurate. Human artifacts have been found in coal seams and layers of “strata” that supposedly represent hundreds of millions of years. This means that those layers don’t really represent long periods of time, they are actually evidence of the world wide flood. The fossil record itself is actually evidence of the flood. Fossilization is not a process that takes “millions of years” to occur, it actually happens quickly, and the only way that something can fossilize, is if it is buried rapidly in mud so that it can permineralize. If a bone isn’t buried rapidly it would eventually turn to dust. There are modern artifacts that have been fully fossilized in Creation Science museums all around the world, things like a bowlers hat, a ham, sausage links, a foot inside a cowboy boot, this all proves that it doesn’t take long for things to fossilize.
What about Neanderthals? Nanderthals have been proven to be nothing more (or less) than human beings who lived longer than we do today. They possessesed equal if not more dexterity in their hands, they practiced ceremonial burial, they played musical instruments. They were humans. It is a fact that the human brow ridge continues to grow throughout the entire lifespan, and if you extrapolate forward a few hundred years, the human skull looks exactly like the neanderthal skull. The Neanderthals are nothing more than the remnants of those who walked off of Noahs Ark about 4,500 years. There were also skeletons of some of the Neanderthal children who must have died at a younger ages, and their skulls loooked identical to those of children today.
Why did people live so long? Scientists have analyzed the air bubbles that were found in the clumps of amber that housed those ancient mosquitos (featured in the movie Jurrassic Park) and they have found that those air bubbles had 50% more oxygen then there is in the world tday. This is evidence that the pre-flood world had more of an oxygen rich atmospere that allowed plants, animals as well as humans to live longer, healthier, and in the dinosaurs case, larger because reptiles never stop growing throughout their whole life time. If a Komodo Dragon was allowed to live for 400 years or so it would be considered a Dinosaur.
Turn off the National Geographic and History Chanels (their controled by the demonic elites) and open your eyes to the TRUTH
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:43 am
again, your quoting what your masters have taught you. the same ol bull I was taught until I could think for myself.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Griffin is another scared Christian like Alex. Using his opinions from an old book he wrote to counter their claims when Griffin’s work itself is subject to widespread criticism. I honestly believe Alex is fighting this so hard for commercial and ego reasons. Joseph could s--- out a better movie than Alex is ever capable of producing. He also wants to save face with his demographic of idiot Christians(the kind that post bible verses in forums).
October 16th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Pam 223…it thoughts like you have that makes people embrace the zeitgeist movement
October 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
After reading through these post I realized how many stupid, dumb ass, retarded people there are coming to this sight.
I am totally for depopulation, so long as it includes 95% of the people posting on Infowars.com.
Jeeze you all need to get the f--- off the religion band-wagon. Believe it or not , I don’t give a s---, but if all your answers have to do with “god this and jesus that” then you should just go meet your “maker” now. Please you will be doing all the real logical thinking people a huge favor.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Its true” The STUDENT” eventually surpasses the teacher!!
You were my teacher for 7 Yrs, I thank you for waking me up, and helping me become a critical thinker. As a life long Catholic I realize I was brainwashed by the church, I’m over it.. Im a better Human being now. I have no desire to kill anyone for their believes. I have no desire to listen to the Religious Delusion anymore.
I realized TODAY , your religious values cloud your mind. Your religious values cloud your judgment ,hard to believe such a bright man dint catch on about religion and their Kool Aid. Anyway Alex Good Luck to you my friend .
I wish you the best, But I cant support you anymore…I see now Religion will always drive a wedge between us , Your views will always have some type of religious koolaid involved, Im trying to better my self as a person, Your rasist and religious views cause me to part ways.. I have nothing left to learn from your views . I hear you talk about Illigals and the Religious Hate just falls out of your mouth. Your hate driven agenda is clear.
Good Luck my brother may you find peace.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:18 am
why does someones passion for what they believe have to amount to an “agenda”? Alex may be loud but his heart is in the right place as far as I can ascertain ..I agree with what you say about religion but most folks against Alex seem to hold him to high a regard as if he is all knowing and if he isn’t against religion like us, that he must be on the other side. He may be..I don’t know, but I won’t convict him based on his big mouth and lack of discernment with regards to his brainwashing. It is possible that he is trapped in fear.
remember one thing all of you reading this..his big mouth is what is reaching many many people and he is very convincing. He is waking people up and so…..
October 16th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Alex, having a turd on your show that denies Jesus was a dumb move on your part. You lost a customer.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
GO ALEX GO! YOU HAVE ENTERED THE LODGE OF VIPERS THAT JESUS SPOKE OF…THEIR FATHER IS THE FATHER OF LIES AND THE ORIGINAL MURDERER. TURN OVER SOME TABLES AND EXPOSE THE MONEY CHANGERS AND THEIR SLAVE TRADE! THEY CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS, THEY WILL EITHER LOVE THE LORD OR HATE HIM. THEIR HATRED EXPOSES THEIR HEART. THEIR RELIGION SERVES LUCIFER AND YOU HAVE THEM ON THE RUN…..WE ARE WITH YOU!!!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:25 am
This Lucifer you speak of…who might that be? Plz don’t say the devil or satan cause that just ain’t so. Astrology tells us as well as the dictionary that lucifer is the planet Venus and the only bible to refer to lucifer as satan id the King james version…and you should know what that guy was all about…can you say “freemason”??
October 16th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
To all the people who do not have a discerning heart!
You may be fooled by Peter Joseph’s calm and collective speech with Alex Jones. How clever Peter try’s to be when [intellectually] explaining his belief.
I got to give it to A.J. for putting up with Peter’s B.S. for that amount of time.
Peter may seem calm and collective, but he is also twisted. Did any of you get when he was asked how his beliefs would deal with a person if that person didn’t agree. His answer was “conditioning.” Can anyone say 1984? What type of “conditioning” would be done to an unbeliever?
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:32 am
can you tel me what color horse you believe Jesus will return on? My wife loves horses and we would like to get one just like Jesus’s
Pj is soooooooo twisted as to even dare to question reality and put forth his beliefs. Well, it just so happens that his views jive with mine and I’m no NWO guy. All people who think like him are of the devil? what does this devil look like anyway…is he red with a spiked tail?
evil exists yes..and it is the evil people who are trying to get away with this s---. They keep you fighting over something you have never seen based on a book that I’m supposed to believe is the word of god. All I know is there atre a lot of good people who believe in zeitgeist and are trying to do good things to help humanity beat this evil cancer. If zeitgeist can get people involved oin the good fight, than it has to be a good thing.
Any other logic is flawed…no amount of verses from bible will change my mind on that.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
Alex, SO MANY TIMES in yesterday’s interview, Peter was trying to speak and you cut him off. OVER AND OVER. Why even have him on your show? Can’t you let your show be a conduit for the general viewpoint, and thus let others talk, than a conduit for YOUR point of view only? I mean, seriously, it was clear he was in the beginning of a paragraph of talking, and you CONSISTENTLY cut him off before he finished his FIRST SENTENCE!!!!
If someone treated you like that on their show I can guarantee you would be upset about it. But when you did it to Peter, he did not become upset.
Dude, you gotta relax and let others talk with you having to prove you are the smartest person in the room. Good leaders allow themselves to completely hear other’s thoughts without feeling threatened.
I will still listen to your show, because it is the only venue I know of for a daily dose of these ideas. But boy oh boy did I lose some respect for you yesterday. Please just relax.
And what is your deal with now attacking the Zeitgeist movies? Yours and Peter’s points are essentially the same, and by you treating him like you did, it reminds me how the NWO wants us to bicker about Republican VS. Democrat, thereby missing the larger picture. By creating a kind of internal civil war within the truth movement, you are doing what the NWO wants!
Maybe I am crazy, but it would appear that you are too.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
You want to know the difference between Alex and Peter? Even though both of them realize the negativity and destruction within our current system. HOWEVER Alex seems to somehow think that we can manipulate a system that we do not control. People must see that everything EVERYTHING is controlled by the Elite Families. Alex is making great strides in his attempt to save people from the system, but at the end of the day the bigger picture will still be a complete police state. Peter Joseph is looking at the bigger picture, Everything ever created, whether inspired by religion or not has been from human creativity and technology. We need to have a society that represents our understanding of the world. O, and for the record. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH A UNIFIED WORLD, Once that Unified world is not CONTROLLED BY A GROUP. The research this man has put in to understanding the basic flaws of social progression is astonishing and all relevant.
Alex and everyone here, with all due respect, you are thinking of our current situation, with problem solving based within the limitations of the current system. We have to acknowledge that this empire was built by men, and without their money, there is nothing that separates them from us. Its a Society built and manipulated to control. It has Failed. Look at the bigger picture. And Alex please stop putting down Zeitgeist, you both fight the same cause, in motivating people to think for themselves and question what they are told. Its time to stop segregating our world more than we already have.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
What I meant to say but omitted in comment 165 is
…it is only we objectivists/realists who see the fatal flaws of idealism
and REALIZE what the idealists don’t,
… – i.e. reality = reality, the profit potential is the driver of productivity, spreading wealth from the haves to the have-nots only hurts both parties, etc.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:33 pm
This is typical of infowars now. Whenever someone offers a different look at things Alex smashes him with smears and crap from people that write these ” news stories” and reviews. Bermis’s movie blew hard IMO and now hes your little puppet and yall are making money on videos you make together. I loved watching the 2nd zeitgeist way more than any of Alex’s movies and he knows its better done than running around with a camera yelling at Bilderberg guys and going to people on the streets asking them if they know about the “elite”. You lost it Alex , just because this guy came out with a movie doesn’t make him wrong,and you are sad and pathetic to make him the center of your talk show today by bashing him for 2 hours straight. Get out of that black and white mind frame and apologize to PJ and ill then think your a man supporting a cause rather than a dog thats scared of another movie.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
The message I got from ZG is basically the same that Jesus professed and that is that money is the root of all evil. I hear a lot of people putting it down, and maybe the guy that is in ziestgist is the same guy they have called the earth Christ or global Christ I don’t know, but it does remind me of a John Lenon song called Imagine. No Religion, No Money, No Government.
We can’t even imagine free energy in this country someone always has to make a profit, Money and profit is so ingrained into the American people they will never ever understand anything else! I know the comies tried this or something like it, but we must start to face the facts our system has failed the robber barons have destroyed the U.S. Me must start thinking of how we can replace what has been lost , are we just going to start the same old thing over again ? I for one don’t believe we can, to much has changed in the last 200 years. Our resources are now depleted and a new system must be one of renewable resources wind, solar and geothermal are the way to the future.
I believe in God as much as anyone out there and maybe these guys are in some kind of cult I don’t know. But I do know that the system we just went thru was set up in the beginning for one class of people to rule over the other, and that my friends is WRONG WRONG WRONG. You want to know what happened to America ? We worshiped money the more you have the more you want . Oh some of you say I just Love to work, the money is just part of it. Well if that is the case why do we have so many poor in this country, why don’t you just give it all to charity? Not 10 or 20 % why not 80 or 90 % because you want to live your life better than everyone else! You want your kids to have everything the BEST OF THE BEST, but while you are working to give them EVERYTHING you are forgetting the thing they need most LOVE your LOVE! and you can’t give that to them unless you spend time with them, not just a hour or two in the evenings although most don’t even do that.
If we can spend trillions to bail out the bankers Why can’t we spend it to give free energy to the world. Lets put or minds together and make this country the true leader of the world.
I’m not saying zeistgist has all the answers or even any, what I am saying if we want this world to last another 100 years we must start treating the rest of the world with respect and understand we are all on one planet , starving half the planet so we can live in plenty will not be allowed to continue,the rest of the world is sick of our arrogance and will demand our destruction, that will lead to the very place none of us want, the end of it all. Free Energy is a place to start lets try it, it couldn’t be worse than we have now. Lets join together and demand that much and see where that leads. The future is in our hands we have to stand up and change it to what is best for every one not just the few.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
All that propaganda in the movie about the Venus Project and its utopian society took a lot of good information and turned it into a complete pile of s---.
I’m often leery of what Alex says and have to use discernment to separate the wheat from the chaff, but his treatment of Peter Joseph was completely justified. The purpose of this film wasn’t to expose bull s---. It was to push an alternative socialist agenda.
To say that religion discourages critical thinking is complete and utter bunk. To think there is not a being greater than ourselves is simply pompous and attempts to propel humanity into god-like status, which is FAR more dangerous to mankind than is theology.
Peter Joseph should have quit with the other releases (they were good except for the section that deals with religion).
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:51 am
yes…god forbid peter Joseph should expose the similarities between the jesus story and the zodiac in order to let thinkers come to their own conclusions.
I love how your so cocky as to call it “bulls---” though..your funny…I can hardly tell the difference between you and the other ZG haters..almost the same words verbatim.
anything that exposes evil and and then gives you another point of view with regards to religion and talks about freedom for all is soooooooo bad. Do you think we’re going to let rockefeller and the rest of those goons usher this in? do you think we would really consider this scenario without getting rid of the filth first? this is why your argument is lame. Your letting good go right out the window because of your indoctrination and fear.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
I think Alex did remarkably well. It seemed to me that he realized he was face to face with the enemy and did his best to show what the real message behind the Zeitgeist films is and how slimey and deceiving they can be to win over converts. They suck you in by seeming to be anti-NWO when in fact they are in favor of the NWO. They don’t realize that once their gift for misleading propaganda is no longer needed to suck in the unwary masses–the NWO will decide that they are no longer needed. You need to be on your guard at all times–like Alex was–don’t fall for their lies. They are of the devil–who is the father of all lies.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:52 am
have you a picture of this devil??? does he look like the one in my kids story books red tights and all? grow up !!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Peter Joseph is a marxist, plain and simple. His idea of a shift in human behavioural foundations, reshaping man’s mentality and asumptions is nothing new. It has been tried many times before, but men’s nature cannot be changed. You cannot erradicate free will, passion, drive to compete, love, egoism or greed. Therefore all these experiments can only lead, and historically has led, to one possible outcome: mass murder and extermination.
Also, I happen to believe that good and evil are not some abstract concepts. Things are called “good” or “bad” not because of some arbitrary random arrangement but because they either “work” or “don’t work” in the long run. For example: if for some biological reasons it would be beneficial to the survival of the species for our females to eat their partner after mating, that act would be considered “good”. Or if being constantly on drugs would be somehow beneficial it wouldn’t be seen as “bad” (think 500 drunken conquistadors vs. 30 million intoxicated Aztecs).
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:05 am
sure you can erradicate all of the above when you do away with money and let people work at what it is that they enjoy and let machines do the menial work..such as putting together cars on an assembly line. People are not going to sit around doing nothing and for those who might, they would get pretty bored pretty quick. Maybe just MAYBE, Zeitgeist’s plan could be amended and adjusted to make sure there aren’t lazy people sitting around doing nothing. 6 billion people all contributing to society could accomplish a lot. Your indifference is child like without much thought. Did ya feel you had to rush to the comment section without really thinking about anything, cause if so, I should tell ya, we could have waited for a more intelligent response.
Alex Jones is smart, I will give him that, however, he is not all knowing and I would gladly debate him on this subject if he would let someone get a word in edgewise. but we know that isn’t likely. I like Alex but I feel the need to call him out and bring him down a few notches. His ego out of control..I feel for him…his celebrity has gone to his head somewhat. i know people who are genious level who laugh at me for even bothering to comment on these forums and wonder why I would even listen to him because he behaves like a child. Do what your supposed to do Alex…wake people up with facts and ONLY FACTS! Not ignore some interesting facts relating to the Zodiac stuff and the similarities to the bible stories because it kills your cred. I can’t even get people to listen you because they are aware of your religious views. which sucks, because they could do to hear some what you have to say on the topic of the NWO…hey Alex..peace bro…I’m dissing ya right now but then again I fight with my dad too, doesn’t mean I don’t love him.
Love you too Alex…be safe!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
#251 said
“Joseph could s--- out a better movie than Alex is ever capable of producing. He also wants to save face with his demographic of idiot Christians(the kind that post bible verses in forums).”
You’re right on buddy!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:09 am
same ol same ol…it doesn’t matter which side of the coin your on, you guys can’t seem to argue a point without calling people names and being rude. Most of you are pissed about the religion side of ZG however, I don’t see any Jesus like qualities in your comments at all…all of you are very rude
I realize, this guy is not against ZG, but damn, the mouth on him…it needs to end
October 16th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
Firstly I don’t believe the movie is bad, it actually mentions creating a new order, but run by the people for the people, in my opinion this movie is trying to get us to change our social structure, which is way outdated if you ask, me. But just look around at all the stupidy we have in the world today, they are suggesting a social structure with nobody in control as far as i understood, and isnt that good? please watch the movie again and actually pay attention before comin up with stupid retarded ideas.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Well guys I’ glad that Alex opened your eyes, specialy eyes of those who were thinking Ziegiest WORLD is solution.
As I said it in my earlier post , I will sayit again. NWO satanic agenda is after 3 things.
1 your relegion = soul
2 your propety = Country
3 your laws = Constitution
Hold on to these 3 things , and guard them to LIFE.
Whether they like it or not , whether they want it or not …people are going to rise and chase this rats away. Thier days are very SHORT. Death to NWO
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:12 am
your only thinking about yourself..what about the starving people all over the world who have been malnutritioned and can’t think for themselves and work towards freedom for their countries?? Tough for them eh…America the great right?? this system is predatory and that is all the Peter J and his little film ZG are saying. It is his view and opinion.you guys want freedom but you block it every chance you get. you all out of wack..it’s is brutal
October 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
I am very depressed and bothered at the way alex treated his guest peter joseph today. I have for a very long time admired alex jones critical work on the nwo agenda and how they work. After watching his interview with peter joseoh (the uncut live interview thru prisonplanet.tv with no breaks) I have come to the conclusion that Alex unfortunatly wants to keep this soceity the way it is set up and he would like us to fear it changing like he does. I have never EVER seen alex act like such a little kid and his attacks seemed totally unprofessional and even cowardly. I respect peter for not hanging up and for actually staying on the line even though I would never have stood for the tactics empoyed by Alex and never before have I heard Alex sound like such a hypocrite. I am also incredibly saddened by both Edward Griffin and Alex Jones lying repeatedly in both the interview and follow up “critical” review.
I think what should be reviewed is the motives and thoughts behind both what Alex Jones was saying and Edward Griffin who both try and demonize Peter Josephs opinions. Never does he say he is right about everything but repeatedly he found himself battling against the assumptions of Alex and his ideas about society.
I have never wanted to turn of an episode of the alex jones show until today when alex tried his best to show everyone else he is the bigger and more ignorant monkey in this movement of truth.
I hope people are not only critical of Peter Joseph but also of what these men are saying to demonize him. Because if you are critical of these characters you will find that many points being said repeatedly by alex and e. griffin have absolutly nothing to do with Peter Griffin and his work. Alex is just trying to paint them as nwo propaganda unfortunatly very unsucessfully.
I think the biggest enemy of humanity above violence and money and scarcity or the nwo is false love. Peter joseph has shown he is not a victim of false love unfortuantly the masses including alex and e. griffin have now shown us they are completly controlled by their ideas of false love.
I see myself as one/god/love in the eternal now. No good or evil. No division. No hiding from myself what i am as a human, and realizing I am so much more than human. I hope for all our sakes we can realize what was stated above objectively and look for others besides alex and his ilk for truth. For they neither know nothing or everything but unreasonably feel they hold the one and only sacred truth. Another false dogma/illusion to add on to the many others these charcters have.
Love for all who know what it is.
J. Londoño
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
agreed:) well said
October 16th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
PNW Outback Says:
“Zeitgeist” and its “Addendum” are PURE NWO PROPAGANDA advocating a One World Religion, One World Government, One World Economy etc. At the very least the religion parts of both movies are New Age Bulls---to.
igiyugyu Says:
it was obvious that the 1st Zeitgeist was disinformation. The section on religion is straight out of Freemason literature.
I totally agree, and it is very religious to propagandize against a PARTICULAR religion, and there must logically be a strong spiritual force & big money supporting the propaganda we see and feel around us – the ‘force’ behind anti Christian propaganda. What is that force ? It sure is real, and anything against FREE WILL of religious belief, is evil.
Remember Matrix’ Neo !
When Smith asked him WHY do you oppose me ?
Neo said,
Because I CHOOSE TO
I CHOOSE TO
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
am I on a christian site?…I have to know, cause if so, I will not be back…what about those poor Muslims and and all the poor natives who are really in touch with God…your all really missing out on the big lesson of this mess…too bad you all think because you believe in jesus, that you can be rude and say whatever you like, calling people derogatory names etc…all because they have discerned for themselves a different theory. He exposes christianity because you folks are the only religion who believe your way is the only way instead of being peaceful.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Brad (#216) —
“Peter Joseph is known as Peter Joseph (VII) according to the IMDB. Hmm. Who was the 6th?”
It must run in the family, because the film itself is listed as “Zeitgeist: The Movie (2007) (V) “
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
just like Tv…another re-run
October 16th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Alex, you should have on your show James Patrick Holding, who has already sucessfully refuted all the “Christ myth” theories of Acharya Stench and others.
James Patrick Holding has written a great new book on the subject called “Shattering the Christ Myth.” Check that one out.
Keep up the good work and God bless.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
yes …give us another person to follow like sheep…you can’t think yourself so you cling to someone else’s ideology for lack of one of your own.
James patrick Holding can’t refute anything any better than the others who try…I’ve listened to them all…it never changes. Nothing they say can be proven and in the end they are still asking you to go on blind faith cause that is all you have in christianity.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
#253
“I am totally for depopulation, so long as it includes 95% of the people posting on Infowars.com. ”
“if all your answers have to do with “god this and jesus that” then you should just go meet your “maker” now. Please you will be doing all the real logical thinking people a huge favor.”
WELL SAID!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Alex Jones is lost his marbles on this one. Zeitgeist and any criticism on it should be handled with precision not childish tantrums, overstatements and inaccuracies as witnessed on Wednesday’s show. It is beginning to appear that Alex Jones is claiming anyone opposed to Christianity is New World Order. As Zeitgeist 1 claimed, Christianity was created along with all other formal Religious movements to confuse, diffuse and enslave populations. For Alex Jones Christianity appears to be the mother of all Achilles heels.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Capitalism requires bad investors to lose, since Bush does not like capitalism he subverts it.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
all I ask for is a 2nd exchange of ideas between alex and peter
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
yes…a pleasant philosophical debate would have been nice rather a football game without the contact. Intellectual discussion is what we need. Alex wants to preserve the status quo and that is exactly his problem. We all have our problems and that is his. Maybe he has little man syndrome…hummm?
October 16th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
sure that communism is the way out this mess the Zeitgeist autor is veru right on that.The communism in the USSR failed because there was no communism there it was pure capitalism that’s why it didn’t work, as everywhere the highranked politics were stealing from the people.Money and religion are the root of all evil period!This race for profit got us in the s---hole that is the world today.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
Nikolai gets it
October 16th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
These are the words of Albert Pike from 1871:
“We shall unleash the Nihilist and Atheists , and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all it’s HORROR will show clearly to the nations the the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will EXTERMINATE those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity , whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render it’s adoration, will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public veiw , a manifestation which will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and Atheism , both conquered and exterminated at the same time.”
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:28 am
yes..I have that book…and it means absolutely nothing in this context..you totally missed the point of this film due to your indoctrination.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
yeah Alex lost it and against what he was trying to do gave zeitgeist more credibility.
sad to see people on the same army start to attack each other. NWO couldn’t be smiling more i’m sure after last night.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
to #20 PEET: the looping spy music was d/t TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES, which AJ even addressed earlier on in the program when a caller mentioned this.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
We should resurrect Gene Rodenberry and ask him how he solved the cash issue in star trek.
Until then, I propose to add GREED POINTS to every transaction.
enough points accumulated (i.e. unfair deals) and these are your options:
1. no cash in your bank accounts -> you get trip to somalia for 1 year , without cash, without phone
2. you have horded cash -> you get a trip to somalia for X months, with N million of your cash in-hand, where
X = 6/N
That makes absolute sense to me.
If this system is not instituted, then watch the world choke on its own feces (cash) for milennia to come.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
If you have poo now is the time to fling it!
October 16th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
#268 (jvwtt)
According to you, what is love?
October 16th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
@ 196 Sean
Nico red wasn’t the only one to hear music being played when the Zeitgeist guy was speaking. It wasn’t so loud that I couldn’t hear him but it was very distracting. At first I thought it was coming from the street but then I turned the audio stream down and it disappeared. So as faras I’m concerned Sean, you are just another info-puppet.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I say to all the people who love Peter Joseph and what he represents ask Peter Joseph to be the first one all by himself to go up to the global elite and tell them his idea of his utopia and that this is what he an the people of the world want and he needs to say to them this is going to happen now.! I can tell you right now he would never do it! He would never even call or show up at one of their meetings to protest it.
At least Alex Jones can go to these things and bullhorn and be thrown in jail for what he believes. Still once again Peter Jospeh talk talk talk….Lets see some action Peter Joseph instead of being a new hitler and putting out your propaganda against impressionable young people to follow your sickeness. I have always said the people who get these followers to do whatever they want do that because they are too afraid to fight their own battles!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:33 am
I bet you through your panties at your fav rock band when you were a kid…you just love to idol worship,,,which if I remember correctly is against jesus’s teachings…or have you decided to not believe that part of the bible??
Hitler??? where do you get off comparing Pj to a mass killer…are you out of it????? are you stoned on the cocaine???? that is the most ridiculous thing ever.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
Simple, if your a christian listener of Alex Jones, your going to hate the movie and say bad things about it. If your open minded to any ideas your going to love Zeitgeist. I have no beef to people that are religious but stop supporting Alex when he treats people rudely and acts like a baby cause he has a cooler movie than what Jones or Bermis made. Bermis acts like Alex is the undisputed Salton of Conspiracy Movies. Bermis or however the hell you spell your name, quit swinging on his nuts man its old and people see it. Quit bashing the same movement you helped make. Stop being hypocrites by saying we need to not fight each other but work together but yet you tards go and do the opposite of what you say. ALEX YOUR MOVIES ARE NOT PERFECT, GET THE F OVER SOMEONE ELSE’S THAT ISN’T EITHER. BE A MAN GROW A PAIR AND VISIT A GYM. BERMIS YOU GOT MONEY NOW, FIX THAT GRILL.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
im definantly not happy at the way alex talked to peter joseph, peter gave good points and tried to explain and alpha texan alex wouldnt listen, when i saw the film i was not even thinking of the nwo more thinking that if man can evolve and can connect to our minds on a higher level humans can live like he said but bieng forced and humans wanting to do it because they could know and understand love. sounds all new age and hippie and what not, but there is much more to our planet and universe than NWO we dont need to live in a state of fear revolution starts from within , alex knows alot of things, it surprises me that he still cant let go of religion
October 16th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I LIKE THE FIRST Zeitgeist BUT Zeitgeist Addendum SCREAM NWO WHAT HAPPEN .THANKS ALEX JONES FOR KEEPING US ON THE RIGHT PATH TO FREEDOM.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:36 am
yes…thank you Alex…without you to set me straight, I might have actually believed this guy. Due to my lack of ability to reason for myself, I need to hang off of everything you say…s--- I almost believed every word. I don’t get it though, it all made perfect sense, but if you say so Alex.
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
October 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
Alex Johns – you are my hero. I agree with most of every critisizem you have mentioned on this material, its only problems are, that your ideas are to revolutionary and geniuse that some people (especially in this forum) cannot integrate your thoughts into their confined brains.
While it is good to discuss issues, its is very apparent to me that many people still have their blinders on and are thinking conventionally. Folks, you gotta get out of the box.
And there you will find free thinkers like AJ.
Don’t believe me? How many of the people you all talk to dismiss federal reserve corruption immediately? or that 911 was an inside job? I can’t tell you how frustrated I am when smart people dont think for themslevles.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
yup, your smart…SMRT
October 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
“It goes on to say that money is evil and has caused every problem in the world. If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great.”
I don’t recall the part where it said all private property would be abolished. I could be wrong on that. I think they have good intentions but they seem to be missing a few steps. They didn’t seem to want money 100% backed by anything. But what that would do is get rid of the “debt as money” scenario and usury, and return us more to a barter system.
They do have a valid point in that if technology is always “for profit” we won’t always get the best technology. An examle. If I make a light bulb that NEVER burns out and is very efiecient, eventually people will stop buying them because there won’t be a need to replace them, leaving my company to go eventually go bankrupt.
It would be interesting to see some tech start ups go under the “non-profit” status.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Comment for number 240. Grow up! You are just running your mouth and causing more problems. There are alot of impressionable people out there and you are not helping the cause which is to stay the course as they say in the movie the patriot. Look around at whats happening in our world. The NWO is moving in fast! We need to stop it instead of running our mouths. All of your cussing number 240 will not work when you are in a concentration camp. It might get you gassed quicker thats about it. So please stay the course. We need to fight the NWO now before its too late people. Who cares if people think this and that or the other about the show yesterday. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT before its too late!!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
ALEX JONES ROCKS, ALEX YOU WERE RIGHT ON TARGET, I LOVED THE WAY YOU INTERVIEW THESE LITTLE PENCIL NECK, LITTLE GIRLE MAN COMMUNIST PUNKS,SOME OF THESE LITTLE COMMUNIST PUKES SAY THAY LOST RESPECT FOR YOU, WELL I HAVE GAINED MORE RESPECT FOR YOU ALEX, AND FOR PETER JOSPEH I THINK YOUR JUST A LITTLE GIRLE MAN COMMUNIST PUNK, YOUR FLICK SUCKS AND ALL THE COMMUNIST PUNKS THAT SUPPORT THIS CRAP MOVE TO YOUR LOVE COMMUNIST CHINA MORONS. I BELIEVE IN A GOD AND HIS NAME IS YHWH YOU LITTLE PUNKS AND YOUR KNEE WILL BEND ONE DAY. ALEX KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
THE WORDS OF A TRUE AMERICAN CHRISTIAN …JUST ANOTHER HATER HIDING BEHIND THE WORDS OF THIS JESUS CHARACTER
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
October 16th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
AJ totally blew the lid off this guy Peter Josepth the theosophist on his show today. Zeitgeist chumps – you’ve been EXPOSED!!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:42 am
“chumps”…another good american christian…jesus is proud of how your representing him..or her..or it…I don’t know, cause I never have met this guy. The only thing I do know is that without Jesus in my life, I can talk to people without nasty language and insults.
things that make me go hummmmmmmmmmmm
October 16th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Here’s how to prove that stupid ass movie completely wrong. It’s extremely simple to do if you use your brain (which the producer of that crap pile obviously didn’t)
1. In order to “gain” technology there has to be a “drive” to gain it.
2. In order for the to be a “drive” to gain that develop that technology, there has to be a “reward” for work done.
3. A “reward” would be considered a “profit”.
So in essence… if you were not going to be “rewarded” for your achievements… why even bother? What kind of reward is it to rack your brain, solve a problem and have the rest of the world leach that idea and give no kind of reward for your dedication and hard work? It isn’t… it actually DISCOURAGES the development of that supposed almighty god “Technology”.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
“develop that technology” my friend, we already have all we need. Profit is not needed unless you feel the need to be ahead of your neighbors.
another person who is missing it.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:20 pm
# 253 & 272
Let me tell you something.
If one of you ever come to my door and try to (prematurely) have me meet my maker, you’ll be very sorry.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
what ya going to do good christian lady?? I’m curious
October 16th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
G. Edward Griffin is right on!!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
Nope…no he isn’t…but that is my opinion and the other is yours.
peace
October 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Infowars:
The film z:a outline the reasons why all systems; Capitalism, Communism/Socialism etal, are bad.
They are based on money.
The socialism you are trying to spin this vision of the future as, is indeed very corrupt and a poor choice of society. But it is still based on value thus the harshness of socialism is government managment of value and property rights (of which in socialism ther is none).
Property Rights:
Property rights are very important aspect of society and at no point in z:a does the (ironically chimp-like) Jacque Fresco or the narrator ever mention that ownership rights are abolished. In fact it is made clear that there is enough raw meterials and the level of technology is high enough for everyone to live in a mansion with excellent medical technology (thanks to removal of profit) and all the food they can eat. At no point is it mentioned that people should be barred from having ownership of personal property.
I can see why all you paleo-conservatives are so up in arms about this film btw.
I do agree that Jacque Fresco’s vision of absolutley no money whatsoever is unrealistic: If society was truly free and the government truly distributed commodity rights evenly, what is to stop me trading my share of Uranium, for example, with the local University for Copper to make stuff with????
Ergo value would actually exist and would be determined by the ratio of abundance in the earths crust between said resources and would not be determined by easily corruptable finance.
A system of trading would emerge. One thing that would be different is that it would be mathmatically impossible to be poor in this system of trade if the government ditributed resources as they were mined or grown.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
ahhh….there is no evil. We are the solution.
2nd verse same as the 1st!
MUAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…………….what a crock!!!! Zeitgeist is just another one of Satan’s tools. I hear Joseph’s followers BELIEVE they are the answer. What is it the history of the world hasn’t shown them? Are FINITE minds are NOT the answer. We are a FALLEN creature. Yet, through Satan we always BELIEVE we can acheive UTOPIA ourselves.
Jesus Christ came as a man saying, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life” (John 14:6). Joseph followers- there is a UTOPIA it is called HEAVEN. But, we have to put our SELFISH and FINITE minds second to the Word of God. You will leave your fate to manmade fabrications, and murmurs of grandeur?
Do the research. Take the time. There are THOUSANDS of HISTORICAL, ANTHROPOLOGICAL, AND SOCIOLOGICAL documents that prove Jesus Christ walked this earth as the triparte divine and human person united as one.
Don’t leave your fate to man’s FLAWED answers that as HISTORY has shown us ALWAYS fails!!!!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 am
I saw what Pj’s Utopia looks like with a well explained theory of how it would work…now can you send me..hummm I don’t know even a drawing of what heaven is like. Where it is? Is it in the sky? or is down here? maybe another planet???
please enlighten me
October 16th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Im try and keep it short an sweet and to the point..I do feel Alex went over the line with his guest and do not let him really finish his ideas..That was a human error on Alex part he got defensive…I really didnt get to see the whole Ziegist but it sounded good in the start but the rest was an ideaology that i can’t see coming any time soon..but i think as humans we are capable of getting to that type of society or close to it that he promotes..i understand where he is coming from but like i said we are long way off from that….may take 1,000s of years to get 2 that stage of evolution..but it is always good to brain storm for the better of overall humanity (sincerely). But for now we have to at least go to a system that is next in line an it really is a Ron Paul type of system..cutting off the whole elitist madness..then we can be an example for the world under that type of system..then if that system works well merge in some way a global order that is under a true money system that Ron Paul promotes…Humans are far from perfect…so we of course will always be fighting 2 get that point mutual respect of each other in the world..And maybe what the Ziegist guy promotes could be achieved..with of course fixing a couple of bumps hurdles along the way…
I do understand what the type of world he wants…but like i said we are 1000’s of years away from this idea…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:51 am
such scientific minds..I wasn’t aware infowars listenership was so academic ..impressive
can’t happen for a thousand years huh? hummmm.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Alex had a lot, I mean a lot of patience with this guy yesterday.
I didn’t, ‘cuz I don’t have time for satanists’ ramblings
Even though I find Zeitgeist’ movie interesting, opens up a good can of worms. Both bad and fertile, and most propably see addendum. Yet….
The guy that made these films is sooooo lost… I feel sorry for his state.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:52 am
I’m sure he appreciates your sympathy…lol…and is returning that courtesy
October 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
#169 ghettopatriot, You got it. The end phrase should be “UNITE, DEFEAT AND THEN PRAISE GOD or NOT!!! It’s your choice.” The Constitution is all we have against tyranny which grants freedom of religion which includes no religion.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:54 am
yes..praise jebus, praise Tom Cruise….working with other human beings ensuring all people on the planet are equal and fed and clothed with interesting work to do in their lives is bad …shame on this do gooder…American will survive without anybody’s help..right.?
boooooooooooo
October 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Everybody the zeitgeist is the answer! just bow to the Venus project, I mean the morning star project, sorry I mean the Lucifer Project!
You zeitgeist cult members need to wake up!
Word Em Up Alex! Please keep us in on the truth!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:56 am
you contradict yourself when you claim ZG is wrong and then point out that Lucifer is not Satan (which most christians believe) but a reference to a planet on the sky.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
READ THIS-VERY IMPORTANT!!!Anyone can just do a little research on the first movie ,like I did, and find out for yourselves that it is made up of pure propaganda and lies.Example-after they claim all these prophets with supposedly striking similarities to Jesus,they run by a huge list of names too fast for the eye to see ,claiming additional prophets or supposed “gods” that also share these supposed similarities.It was simple-I stopped the screen movement so I could read and verify the names.One of the first names I noticed was Thor,god of thunder!!!What a sick ,cheap joke!Then I started researching the main featured individuals that Zeitgeist claimed had all these similarities with Jesus right out front and found out the guy(jerk) is just plain LYING!BLANTANTLY LYING ABOUT THE WHOLE THING!The only thing truthful he said was that there was a guy named Zoraster who had SOME similarities to Jesus,but that’s it!All the rest of the claims about all the other people were simply made up!Do your own research.Zoraster was a prophet who lived before Jesus who preached peace and brotherhood-so what!What is wrong with that?Before Jesus was born, people needed someone to follow who would set a good example.There were some similarities,but not all the ones the film claims-not at all.And what about all the other people that have little or no similarities at all that are falsely claimed by the lying jerk who wrote this fairy tale?The truth is-Jesus is the real thing,one of a kind.Don’t just believe something because it’s in a movie.That’s as bad as believing in main stream media!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
jvwtt You are right… I felt the same way. Alex acted like such a kid… never before have i seen a guest hammer alex on the truth this bad but all it seems now is that all alex wants is just the same old s---. I have recognized that money should be abolished for 2 years now and always I wanted to call in and see what alex thinks about this. One wierd thing I always pictured in my head when I thought of alex was a snake biting its tail… He doesnt realize in the bigger picture that who hes really fighting is HIMSELF. Capitalism will never work just like these other ideologies the system gives us. I know inside Alex is going to be hurting because he is misleading his people with this one. Alex will talk all day about the tactics of the mainstream media making people who are intelligent and do research look like cookes and crazies but then he goes and does this to PJ when PJ did not once try to make Alex look crazy which he should have since alex was acting like a f---ing kid just because he cant get over to the fact that this system he says he “fights” is the system that he supports in the end. People wake up and question everything even Alex! Because Alex is completely wrong on this one. Also to alex and the G edward griffen… Quit making assumptions about this movie and watch it! Because from the s--- your saying i can tell it hasnt sunk in! Watch the damn movie and question reality… Practice what you preach!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
I’m glad Alex is taking the stand and exposing these fools from the Zeitgeist world as the sly serpents they are. I know he likes to stay away from “religious/spiritual” type things and I fully understand why but as the masses start to awake and this thing comes closer to a head the spiritual side of all this will become inevitable. Religion and the church are mostly hypocrisy anyway, even in it’s so called “Christian“ froms. The real spiritual truth has nothing to do with religion but a personal relationship with Jesus as he is the only savior and not technology as Peter Joseph states – as closed minded as that sounds.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 am
technology to help everybody live equally is bad? Tell me something, did you trade in your Kiss posters for some Alex Jones posters? Cause I think your in love.
your in love with Alex….lol
October 16th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I was also deeply disappointed by Alex’s interview with Peter Joseph. I’ve only been listening to Alex for six months, I have listened every day for the past five, and I was shocked by Alex’s behavior. It was grandiose and very mean. The “piss your pants” comment was beneath reproach. What a bully! It is hypocritical for Alex to constantly apologize for his blue language but suddenly pull out curse words when he wants to intimidate and disarm.
And I can confirm that Alex played rock music underneath Peter when he “gave him the floor.” I’ve never heard Alex do that before! It was so obviously disrespectful, dismissive, and distracting. Those kinds of tactics make all of Alex’s phony “I don’t want to fight with you” seem deeply dishonest. Peter pulled Alex’s card when he said “WWF”, big-time. It could have been a great discussion, but Alex showed his butt.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 am
yup
October 16th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
One more thing here: I am not a rabid Christian, but if I was so anti-Christian like this “Peter” why would I choose two Biblical names? For mockery?
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
yes
lol maybe so..or MAYBE…it’s just the way it turned out..who knows
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
f--- yeah Alex is the f---ing king. Atheist you all got owned lol God will put you in hell after Armageddon if you dont go to church n repent to jesus.
We christians must fight harder now. Buy food and weapons. we can fight satans army till rapture.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:09 am
I thought Jesus was King…you christians are very confusing to simple minded guy like me. I thought Jesus said not to worship false idols? Hummm humm hummm
yes….get weapons..KILL KILL KILL KILL KILL…I’m sure that is what Jesus would want you to do
Kill in his name. just like dog the bounty hunter says his little prayers before he and his boys stomp somebody to the ground calling them every derogatory name that he can pronounce first…lol
October 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
To all that support Alex, this is why you are laughed at and ignored? And will be forever???? Go to Church and be happy with your sad little emotional resolve you need to feel like our lives really have a purpose. Go to Iraq for a few, did those people get to go to heaven? lolol 12% of the worlds population is Christian, that means the rest go to hell. Right?
October 16th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Money is an artificial system designed to control
here’s a little Verse that has been completely misunderstood
And He said to them, “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.”
He did not mean you could take Caesars money and give it to God what he was saying is if you want to live in the monetary system go ahead but you will not be able to live in the Kingdom system if you do. He was giving you a choice YOU choose who you will serve God or Mammon for you cannot serve two masters.
Christians want to think you can live in both systems as long as you give God Caesars money
this way they can push their Prosperity Gospel.
Sorry Christians but you cannot have Jesus in your heart if you have money in your pocket
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
joey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you know!!
we can be good without a book and we don’t need money PERIOD!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The US police state in “The Hearland”…
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16256014YgPEd3tw
October 16th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
Alex has the lord jesus christ on his side. The bible tells us to watch for signs of the endtimes. and thats what I’m doing. We must protect Israel from the satanist.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:11 am
IS -RA- EL…yeah…you know your stuff…NOT!!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
HEY #285,BLACK KNIGHT- f--- YOU LITTLE PUNK,ALEX OR JASON OR I WILL KICK YOUR LITTLE BLACK KNIGHT ASS PUNK.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
this is not necessary talk at all no matter where you are on the topic. this really sucks
October 16th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
To sum this up in a brief statement, those who refuse an existence of God will fit Zeitgeist into their own beliefs no matter how full of holes this film presents on spirituality. This pure nwo propaganda. Those who despise God reminds me of those who were offended by a minority and group all minorities into a negative category. Sure Christianity was hijacked, but that doesn’t explain God.
There is an old proverbs that says, “professing themselves wise, they become fools.”
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 am
you can believe in god without being christian ya know!!
I don’t worry about God forsaken me because God knows I do my best to help out everywhere and if I’m turned away from “heaven”, then I don’t want to be there anyway…most especially if all you haters are going to be there.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
No worries #294 they will get you before I could muhahahah…
October 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
“It even specifically says that voting for liberty candidates like Ron Paul is the wrong thing to do”
Somebody show me some proof here… i checked the movie again quickly and I think this is a blatent LIE, the movie endorsed ron paul as far as I could tell. Although I won’t stop listening to Alex Jones even though I think he has gone overboard with the zeitgeist movie, I think it was wrong to dedicate pat of his show and post an article which clearly shows that he is against the zeitgeist movement… why? I still think Alex still truely believes in his religion, and seeings the first zeitgeist bashes his religion in one of their movies ( which btw was aa awsome movie which I 100% aggree with) he has a personal grudge ….very naive behaviour if indeed true. Please Alex to be completely honest you are acting very childish throwing fits about the movie and movement which is on the same side as us well good-intentioned people. We all just want something better then this corrupt system and we have to start somewhere, you fight the NWO but what when the revolution is over, have you thought what we should best do then? The zeitgeist offers something maybe not THE solution but it will get people thinking and will be a part of it.
Alex keep up the GOOD fight
October 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
i think peter joseph does have some good point and alex to but that doesnt mean he should baffel at like that because it is his show,,Alex did some Neocon moves right there when he tried to mock peter joseph…anws infowars is still cool and the zeitgeist movies are pretty intresesting
October 16th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
They will kick my ass? uhm Alex is a fat blob that can hardly breathe. Jason is a buck toothed zit exploding web geek. Where do you get off and saying they can fight for anything but for air they breathe?
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:20 am
I’ve a got a harsh reality check for you people who talk like this…there will be no place for you in “heaven” or anyplace in the future world talking like that…simple…just think about that..no matter what you think of this guy’s movie which is nothikng more that his opinion or point of view and his beliefs…AMERICAN AMERICA…LAND OF FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION AND FREE SPEECH.
YEAH RIGHT, when someone speaks freely, you people want to hang them from the nearest lampost. your all lost…you don’t know what you want or what you believe..your all just little idol worshipers without the ability to ascertain for yourself what is right and wrong OH..but your going to Heaven…
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
October 16th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
and i agree with BGSNL
October 16th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I think what #253 meant was you idiot religious freaks need to go ahead and end it yourself and do us all a favor.
I’m with you 253.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:21 am
more hate
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
October 16th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
I was lucky enough to meet G. Edward Griffin at the 9/11/08 Truth Los Angeles Rally where he spoke. The man is a genius who cuts straight through to the truth may his knife never dull.
May the Tao be with all of you.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
oh oh oh …did you get his autograph….OMG…you didn’t meet him in the flesh?..did he glow????
October 16th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
HEY BLACK KNIGHT YES YOU ARE GOING TO THE LAKE OF FIRE DUMBASS
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:23 am
I guess he better get on over to walmart and purchase himself a fireproof lifejacket then..wouldn’t you say.?? Yikes Lake of fire…good grief..and where is this place located…can I find it of google earth?
October 16th, 2008 at 2:42 pm
Oh and BTW the question on the main site poll is what people who are actually awake call a ‘leading question’.
I think you may have read a little too many documents from RAND corporation on marketing.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
Got bored as I listened to Alex not answer questions, and not providing any substance when specifically requested. Alex, literalism and rhetoric are fine tools, but you often attach them to nothing. As such, (evident during this interview) you are stuck in a world of delusion.
Your tantrums/outbursts following many of Peter’s questions projected an amazing amount of your own prejudices …. ZERO substance.
The human mind is extremely capable of seeing what it wants to see, thinking what it wants to think, etc.
If we allow evidence to lead us to consideration, this tendency is thus corrected. By what means have you corrected for this tendency in your own thinking, Alex?
October 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
I just got through hearing yesterdays interview and I think Alex is a complete dips---. Doesn’t really matter who was right or wrong, Alex showed us all what type of childish fool he really is.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
yeah Alex just set back the truth movement about 10 years last night by getting everyone on the left who has rejected the political system, religion, and money and is demanding that the bankers and people responsible be thrown in jail for 9/11 against everyone on the right who is a constitutionalist. by the time everyone stops bickering we will all be in camps.
great job Alex, maybe you are working for the NWO?
October 16th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
http://www.veoh.com/videos/v16256014YgPEd3tw
October 16th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
To all atheist : If your right and there is no God then I guess I’ll just be dead ,end of story. But when you are dead you will find out what the rest of us already know, that there is God , and there is a battle of good versus evil going on around us ,we just can’t see it right now but we’ll see the prophecies come true right before our eyes and you will submit to the Lord . The bible is the only book in the history of the world to predict this world government ,and the mark of the beast(microchips), and this all powerful leader who says they will take care of us all as long as you take that mark . If this isn’t enough proof then you’ll probably never accept the truth , I feel sorry for you guys because we’ve all been warned .
October 16th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
This might be the single last article I ever read on this website. Alex Jones, you’re movement cannot exist while you hang onto religious dogma. Zeitgeist is the single BEST film series that has converted MORE people than any of your childish screaming bulls---. You are jealous like a little boy who’s fat, smokes, and tries to find salvation on a cross. I can’t show people your films without ensuring they think I’m some nutcase following some overgrown idiot. This article is packed with lies about the film’s true message. You are attacking him for having the courage to do one thing you’ve NEVER done, TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE FACE. You’re a chicken little with the sky falling every day on your radio show. Martial Law is your lie to the people.
Either you’re a moron or you’re now playing on THEIR side.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I loved this movie. It made me feel hopeful for the future for the first time in a long time. I thought the Venus Project ideas were beautiful. The movie was very well made, and I haven’t heard a valid complaint yet. Christians don’t like the truth about their religion, and some people just can’t grasp the idea of a peaceful society. It may not be possible, especially with the animosity and hatefulness of some, but it is a beautiful idea.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
GOD NOOOOOOOO…NOT HOPE!!!!! we can’t have that. Hopeful people who care about others? for shame…..lol
Hi LIz…your awesome!!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Zeitgeist offers teh best solution I’ve seen. Not sure what solution Alex or the rest of those who disagree with Zeitgeist are saying, but violence is not the answer. 2000 years ago, anyone that looked at a Democracy idea from a Roman ruled state may have said that Democracy was just a fanciful dream, utopian. That only might could rule over people, that people electing representatives that would be replaced every few years, not by force, but by agreement was not possible. The only reason that Fresco’s ideas seem so difficult to believe, is that we’ve not yet embraced the idea that humankind can actually get along together if we remove controlling systems and negate the need to grab power and wealth to avoid scarcity. Are we as a human race ready to move forward? Many are, but many are still trapped in old wineskins. Time will tell if the very near future ushers in this necessary shift or not.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
intelligent post from marc…cool!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Joe #307, Total bull! Quit pretending to be some Bible expert while you try to sell Christians on the NWO agenda. Matthew 17:24-27…Jesus paid taxes and he also said “From whom do the kings of the earth collect taxes, from their own sons or from others? From others Peter answered.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
Jesus said that did he..how do you know?? OH the book again…crap, that book is really messin with people’s minds. too bad
God is great…but the bible is not a good read. I don’t need to do Gods work
and he paid taxes?? I bet he loved that given what a carpenter makes.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
I am very depressed and bothered at the way alex treated his guest peter joseph today. I have for a very long time admired alex jones critical work on the nwo agenda and how they work. After watching his interview with peter joseoh (the uncut live interview thru prisonplanet.tv with no breaks) I have come to the conclusion that Alex unfortunatly wants to keep this soceity the way it is set up and he would like us to fear it changing like he does. I have never EVER seen alex act like such a little kid and his attacks seemed totally unprofessional and even cowardly. I respect peter for not hanging up and for actually staying on the line even though I would never have stood for the tactics empoyed by Alex and never before have I heard Alex sound like such a hypocrite. I am also incredibly saddened by both Edward Griffin and Alex Jones lying repeatedly in both the interview and follow up “critical” review.
I think what should be reviewed is the motives and thoughts behind both what Alex Jones was saying and Edward Griffin who both try and demonize Peter Josephs opinions. Never does he say he is right about everything but repeatedly he found himself battling against the assumptions of Alex and his ideas about society.
I have never wanted to turn of an episode of the alex jones show until today when alex tried his best to show everyone else he is the bigger and more ignorant monkey in this movement of truth.
I hope people are not only critical of Peter Joseph but also of what these men are saying to demonize him. Because if you are critical of these characters you will find that many points being said repeatedly by alex and e. griffin have absolutly nothing to do with Peter Griffin and his work. Alex is just trying to paint them as nwo propaganda unfortunatly very unsucessfully.
I think the biggest enemy of humanity above violence and money and scarcity or the nwo is false love. Peter joseph has shown he is not a victim of false love unfortuantly the masses including alex and e. griffin have now shown us they are completly controlled by their ideas of false love.
I see myself as one/god/love in the eternal now. No good or evil. No division. No hiding from myself what i am as a human, and realizing I am so much more than human. I hope for all our sakes we can realize what was stated above objectively and look for others besides alex and his ilk for truth. For they neither know nothing or everything but unreasonably feel they hold the one and only sacred truth. Another false dogma/illusion to add on to the many others these charcters have.
Love for all who know what it is.
J. Londoño
p.s.
for the person who asked what love is… your answer cannot be told to you by anyone. It must be discovered from within thru negation. You must find out what love is not FIRST to come across what real true love actually is. All I can say is that love to me can be called joy and bliss. But to know what joy and bliss are and call that love is false love. Love can only be discovered by finding out what it is not.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
This might be the single last article I ever read on this website. Alex Jones, you’re movement cannot exist while you hang onto religious dogma. Zeitgeist is the single BEST film series that has converted MORE people than any of your childish screaming bulls---. You are jealous like a little boy who’s fat, smokes, and tries to find salvation on a cross. I can’t show people your films without ensuring they think I’m some nutcase following some overgrown idiot. This article is packed with lies about the film’s true message. You are attacking him for having the courage to do one thing you’ve NEVER done, TRY TO SOLVE THE PROBLEMS WE FACE. You’re a chicken little with the sky falling every day on your radio show. Martial Law is your lie to the people.
Either you’re a moron or you’re now playing on THEIR side.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
woah going threw the comments I didn’t realize most of the people on this site are religious…..
lets not head down that road, but seriously what makes you think that your religion ISNT propaganda designed to enslave you…. remember christianity (and most religions for that matter)
have some evil statistics under its belt.
Statistics can’t lie.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:41 am
bgsnl gets it!!! thanks for speaking up dude. good on ya!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
It makes me so sad to see how many people commenting here do not believe in God. It says in the bible in the end times it will be this way. It is one thing to read it in the bible and know what the Lord God says will happen, but it breaks my heart to see it with my own eyes. So much hate and anger. God is crying in heaven right now and his heart is breaking to see this. Even the ones who write hateful things about him. Just more proof that the bible is TRUE 100% If you do not want to believe the bible just go through these comments thoughout this site and then read your bible on end times. It all goes hand in hand.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
nobody that I have read yet has said they don’t believe in god. If it;s not your version of god, your all worried…you need to sit down and think a bit
October 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Oh no not Zietgiest 2 !! Oh my gosh and it has the wrong message ! Sigh …. back good ol book learning this internet learning is all f---ed up. People distort s--- to much on here. Oh btw your all a bunch of f---ing hypocrits. Truth warriors my ass. More like stupid f---s who believe anything thats thrown at you on this site. Remember the I am legend article ? How it is going to mirror an attack in America.. with f---ing ZOMBIES. Sigh your all f---ing stupid who soak this s---s up. The Government is crooked no doubt. But your all to busy telling people how to feel on here rather than let them say what they think of the articles to notice. Go out and get active on this f---ed government. You shouldn’t need the likes of this site to get you motivated or have intelligence conversation material. Tho some people are just that dumb. Bet some of you douche bags accually quote lines of movies as your (last words) in a argument to give that sense of drama.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:44 am
hater! your full of hate…what you can’t get your point across without the hate?
booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
October 16th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
I think Alex is jealous of the popularity that Zeitgeist Movement is getting. There will be some people that will lose interest in Alex over his interview etiquette. I have.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
That movie, this article and all the comments here make a huge assumption that enough people are watching and reading to be of any real consequence whatsoever.
The one truth you might consider is that the only way to change anything is to be wealthy enough to own your own corporate news channel and feed the monkeys propaganda. And it better not be the truth because they won’t like it at all.
As far as religion goes:
According to the christian bible the universe is about 10,000 years old.
That means dinosaurs didn’t exist. Of course that’s one the truths the monkeys won’t like.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
So here we go, fighting amongst ourselves about ideologies, etc. At least the movie calls out the FED and NWO, and gives some real life solutions that each of us can do to make our situation better:
1. boycott FED Banks, JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, and Bank of America.
2. Make your cars and homes energy independent through solar panels, windmills, etc
3. Don’t join the Military and fight for the corporations
Those are all good ideas. I agree that there was plenty of one-world socialist propaganda in the piece, but with the advancement of technology, we are going to live in a global community in some way shape or form, regardless if its a NWO system or a free society. I don’t believe that the film really has any malicious intent toward the freedom movement, it just says that people should get off of their fat asses and do something about their situation instead of bickering online about it. If everybody really did do those 3 things listed above, the global power structure would be hit hard in a big way, and they might actually listen to us for once and take us seriously. As of now, the NWO laughs at our little patriot/freedom movement, knowing that we are never going to be able to organize a central effort to take them on. We’ll just sit around arguing with everyone about who is more right, and more truthful. If the film wakes more people up, then it helps us. we can sort out our differences later people, but the NWO is decending upon us NOW and we need to figure this s--- out quickly! Time is of the essence, we need to continue waking people up and do those three things to fight back against the system.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
AJ is a moron, he just lost MANY listeners i garentee, hope he enjoys his christian listeners and his water filter and soap, food, dvd, colon body cleanse, gold and silver, and all his other sales pitches he makes like 100 times an hour.
What a let down, ego maniac.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:45 am
I would like to have the ecolo-blue thing that makes water out of humidity though
come on…doesn’t that sound great???
October 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Suddenly hundreds of new people on Alex’s comment boards today! Me thinks I smell a rat. That rat can also be seen on You Tube. The comments can not be voted up or down just like with Digg. This is definitely a controlled NWO campaign. Wake up and smell the paid rats!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
Alex was simply trying to protect his bottom line,he has alot of born-again christian supporters and to keep the money coming in he attacked the guy.What alot of you guys seem to be in denial about is how religion has been used to control the mases through out history y’all need to drop your bibles and really look at how your pastors are living the high life at your expense.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
you may be right…it’s an angle to be explored if you so inclined..I prefer to just keep on plugging on trying to the best I can
October 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
In order to come across love your mind must first be free of all illusionary division. You must then be willing to figure out what love is by seeing what love isnt. Thru negation the answer will come from within you. No one can tell you what love is. To me love is joy and happiness. But to look at joy and happiness and label that as love is false love. Love cannot be labled. Our world is being brought to its knees by the biggest enemy of humanity false love/ false god/ and false morality.
Love to all who know what love is
J. Londoño
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 am
I know what love is and I accept your offer of love and thank you….right back at you as well
much love to you and your family!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
HEY BLACK KNIGHT PUNK, CALL UP ALEX AND ASK HIM TO A FIGHT PUNK, I THINK YOUR JUST A LITTLE GIRLE MAN, ALEX WILL PUT YOU DOWN TO THE GROUND PUNK
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 am
wow..a re-run and still in caps…he must be serious..yikes! I’m gettin scared
October 16th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Before Alex even spoke about the new Zeitgeist movie i had already viewed it, and i had many of the same views on it as Alex has, in regards to the NWO propaganda.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
so you must be right then…bravo to you
October 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
if G Edward Griffin says you suck, you probably do.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:50 am
well there ya go..if G ed Grif says so it must be…maybe he is GOD?
October 16th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
Alex Jones is a f---ing jesus freak….and got all but hurt because the original Zeitgeist shows how ridiculous and stolen modern judaism, christianity, and islam are.
Unfortunately for you religious nut jobs out there, jesus was not there to prevent Alex from making a complete ass of himself.
Sad, pathetic f---ing religious freaks……bunch of serious f---ing psychopaths. I ain’t scared of no Al Queada, NWO, or Govt. …….. I’m scared of 99% of the world who worship imaginary sky gods.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
I’ve been a big Alex Jones fan for a while now and this was the first time I thought Alex was way off. He made himself and all of his fans look like religious fanatics. He obviously took it personal that Zeitgeist disproves his religion and you could hear it in is tone. He never even gave the guy a chance and acted like a child. Alex was taking great leaps with zeitgeist points that were not even true and trying to make it seem like some communist plot. Usually when Alex screams and shouts about assholes in the government or the media it is funny and I enjoy it. However this time Alex was screaming trying to bully his points across out of frustration but without any thought full arguments. Alex did not prove one point, he lost this debate
October 16th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
In answer to number 331 bgsnl. Just by what you just wrote makes bible prophecy true and you dont even realise it.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Socialism works better than hard line capitalism, sorry.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
I really don’t know what you all were expecting when Alex, an advocate of a true free market system, interviewed Peter Joseph who proposes a resource based economy but I was looking forward to a very heated debate and that’s exactly what I listened to. It sounds like you were all expecting them to just sit and mumble their own case in a monotone voice without really engaging each other, if I wanted that I would just look at their own work separately. I thought their views and personalities clashed nicely and made for some very interesting debate. Had both of them pretended to not take the others attacks seriously then you wouldn’t have gotten nearly the same level of passion and back-against-the-wall responses which really put the other persons ideology to the test to counter the problems the other person was throwing out at them.
As for my views on the problems they were discussing, I see myself taking a bit from both ideologies to create a “solution”. I think that no matter what, as long as we’re capable of free-thought we’re going have the capacity and urge to create symbols of wealth, so I factor that into my solution. However, it would be entirely different from today’s system of all the debt in each of the current emerging trading blocks being printed as symbols and owned by one source who uses usury and interest as a carrot-on-a-stick to keep the whole thing going. I would advocate a monetary system similar to the greenback, debt-free value money, and give each state or province their own symbol so they can compete with each other and have local power. Now, I’m sure any advocate of a resource based economy would abhor this system of competition, however, you could try to factor in the end solution of that system; to feed, clothe and house everyone, into this one and achieve roughly the same goals without trying to phase out or outlaw money. To accomplish this, remove the income tax, which goes to fund the physical and economic war against the rest of the world and the perpetuation of the banker’s empire and replace it with a *deep breath* feed-clothe-and-house-everyone-tax. How this tax would be spent and what form it would take would be decided by a strict constitution, written up by the states, that leaves no room for interpretation. It would just be to literally put everyone in shelter and clothes on their back so everyone has a fair shot in the free market. It does not have to be a monetary tax, it could be a resource tax on trade. If you’re all crying “socialism!” well, to be honest, this sounds like the kind of socialism I could get behind. If you’re all happy with paying 33% of your earnings into the pockets of international bankers then I’m sure you wouldn’t mind if it went to help humanity instead. My idea isn’t perfect, I do agree with Alex when he said that, “socialism sounds nice, but the people who hand out those little rations to everyone in the world? They usually wear black uniforms and carry sub-machine guns.”, although I’m sure there is a way to give everyone in the world the bare minimum they need to survive instead of everyone in the country chipping in to give the bankers the money and power to kick them in the teeth.
Concluding my opinion on the interview, I found the whole thing fascinating, particularly the nature vs. nurture argument, and also very entertaining. I burst out laughing several times at Alex’s antics and while he may have come off as being an ass at some points they were -both- taking some shots at each other during the debate, Mr. Joseph was just more subtle and polite about it, because that’s his personality. I’d love to watch these kind of debates all the time and Alex really didn’t do anything I didn’t expect him to do.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:56 am
good post IMO
October 16th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
Out of all the gods to choose from, I have no doubt Jesus is the right one, especially since Alex says so.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
he also likes fattening steaks…you down with that too?? what if he decides jesus is ok with smokin crack…are you going to go looking for a dealer?
October 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Joseph is an “intellectual” who get’s upset when someone who’s not afraid to show their flaws yells at him. He acted all benevolent on the show yesterday. It was quite embarrassing for him. He kept saying, “What you fail to understand is…” as if he were some god himself.
I urge you, including you “mike” to remember that Alex NEVER talks about his own faith in a way that is oppressive or unnecessary.
The Zeitgeist fella thinks he has it all figured out but he “fails” to realize that we are in a struggle, right now, with the New World Order and you can’t just walk up to them and ask them to re-condition themselves. That is naive and completely unhelpful. What he is talking about in this film, is what people need to know AFTER they have thrown the tyranny of their backs. Somehow he thinks we can defeat our tyrannical leaders by not using money, and being “enlightened.” Well guess what, THIS IS NOT STAR TREK, THIS IS EARTH AND NOBODY IS GOING TO GIVE YOU FOOD OR PROTECT YOU WHEN THE FEDS COME TO TAKE EVERYTHING AWAY.
Wake up man, the fight is on now. Put aside all your assumptions that people are conditioned to be greedy cruel, because even if it is true, IT IS NOT GETTING US ANYWHERE TO SIT THERE AND THINK THAT. This movie makes people think they can just sit there and enjoy their lives, as long as they know this almighty and powerful truth (which is presented in equally pretentious fashion). As much as I agree with a lot of the information presented in the film, it is overall a detriment to our fight against those who mean to poison our water, corrupt our government, herd us into FEMA camps and take our liberties away. Joseph needs to see what problems are facing us TODAY, not babble about some futuristic Utopia.
We are alive on the Earth now; he and his “followers” have to stand up from the couch and realize that real action needs to happen before any of his ideas are to take shape. That means, spreading the truth about bad government, 9/11, the Federal Reserve, Globalization, etc.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:01 am
hey there crabby…well I disagree with your accessment of pete…but I agree with your over all post…lets get at it and awaken people
October 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
How can you people fall for this Zeitgeist crap! This guy throws a few biscuits of truth in your direction and you all swoon like a bunch of teenyboppers at a rock concert. How many different ways can you wrap “Marxist Utopia” crap to each generation as something fresh and new that holds all the answers to the worlds ills. Every solution offered in this movie is identical to the NWO agenda. How can anyone actually believe that it’s an independent movie!
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:05 am
have you read Marx’s works? I have two volumes here in from of me and I don’t get where you are coming from. G bernard shaw used to speak of equality for all men as well..just because it comes out of globalist mouth doesn’t mean they are not feeding you some of that truth you all seem to agree they mix with their info…you just need to sort it out…if it is good…it is from God…it if is bad and not geared for all people, well then, it is from evil..IMO
October 16th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Religion = Control if you can’t see that it’s too late for you. Zeitgeist is NOT just fluff and misdirection and the people who really get up in arms about zeitgeist are religious and therefore are frightened that their whole lives being taught that if you devote your life to the church, submit don’t ask questions and most of all donate to the church you will be “saved” and spend eternity in blissful paridise. On the other hand if your bad! watch out! if you dont listen to what the bible warns of! Coveting thy neighbors ass or thine wife etc. etc. You spend eternity in damnation burning and suffering. Zeitgeist is fake? misleading? oh ok believe the bible written by political authority of its time which amazingly is not our time, therefore not relating to us at all. Imaginary beings DO NOT carry out judgement on us in the afterlife what you do in your life im sure the universe as a whole decides (energy returing to it’s source “the universe” upon a lifeforms passing.) Disagree? ok. but DO NOT trust a book written hundreds of years after its subject (jesus).
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
AA gets it!
well said
October 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Hey JP,
You dumbass. I’m an atheist myself and it’s clear to me that AJ did not blow up at this guy because he’s religious. Why didn’t AJ wait until Zeitgeist Addendum to do so when the original Zeitgeist was the one that attacked Christianity? Your argument is illogical.
AJ made it clear on his show today why the Zeitgeist movement is a total fraud. A fraud that is socialist, theosophy masquerading as an anti-establishment anti-religious movement. As has been documented in the recent articles on this site, the Zeitgeist philosophy is the same as all the other movements and personalities that derive their ideas from theosophy.
Zeitgeist attacks religion and Christianity but replace it with their own religion : theosophy and Lucifer!!
That’s not an exaggeration either. Look into the Lucis Trust (Lucifer Trust) and Blavatsky et al..
So don’t get all mad at AJ just because he exposed your false prophet, Peter Joseph. You got played, get over it.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:12 am
wrong! it exposes to the folks who don’t read that there is another point of view…if the right people were to make it happen, it would be great..not all that ZG II says would be fine with me..I don’t want to live in these super cities or whatever. It was just one man’s solution put fwd for all of you to explore and instead, you jump all over it because of his views on religion. Now id he was running for Pres of the world using this flick as a platform, maybe there would be cause for alarm if for not other reason than, not all of us agree this is what the world should look like. I like it the way it is. If we could stamp out poverty waste and money and just have everyone contribute their labor doing what it is they love, we would be fine
October 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Why do people get so upset/angry when another person has different beliefs? Either have an open mind or move on…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
hear hear!!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
Wow this article really turned my off to this website…..I know some stuff is built up bulls--- but it has its merits and good points at times but this is …..unfortunate! Zeitgeist Addendum is right humans are saves to the system, Money is crap, and Jacque Fresco was the main point. A radical Utopian view to are s---ty society, weather or not its possible its positive and this article just brings more s--- to the already pointless existence of this planet and the human race!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:11 pm
You guys have been conditioned to call it nwo propaganda bcuz alex says so. Alex you are engaging in “Ideological Terrorism”… scarying people away from others views. How in the hell are you supposed to defeat the NWO when you completely support the system they have used to enslave us for years…
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:15 am
cause he does well in this system doesn’t he..he is connected up the ying yang…that is why I believe he likes it…but who knows…I don’t know what to think about Alex..I’m with him on everything he says except his religion…that is what ruins it for me
October 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
All you people talking about leaving Alex Jones,don’t let the door hit you in the ass.Just goes to show you haven’t paid attention to what Alex has been telling you all these years.Zeigeist is NWO,Peter Joseph is nothing but a little pimp boy,for this godless organization.Wake up people your being duped.Alex is right on,you can’t handle it.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
thats it..just say goodbye to all those who disagree with you…who ya going to fight the NWO with if you keep alienating people and telling them to take off because they don’t believe in your fairy tale?
October 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Hey just try to open up consciousness,in healthcare today you are beeing treated by how much money you have.
free yourself from material thinking, we dont need 1000 different cellphones we need food for the poor not red cross UN bulls---, wee need constant self sufficient societys all over the world we are 1 and thats that, people hwo dont understand it are just scared by the unknown and the different it is human nature to react like that or as Terrance Mckenna(Rip) put it “its our operating system”, but when your pineal gland expresses it you´ll understand as i did when i died and came back… peace
October 16th, 2008 at 3:14 pm
I just read someone’s comment that says that religion is used to enslave people. Now that doesn’t mean that there is no God or Jesus , it means that Satan has took over the leadership of religon , specifically Christianity. And God already told us that in the bible because he cast Satan out of heaven and down to the Earth , where Satan reigns. But that is why God sent his son to show us the way , because the devil “the great deceiver”, that tells us we are our own gods”Satanism” , or the other lie that there is no God at all and that through evolution and utopianism we can be free of religion and creation. Which both are lies from the father of lies .
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:24 am
God tells us??? He didn’t write any book…I’m looking at one right now and I can’t see Gods name on the cover anywhere..I see other’s names who claim they wrote it because God told them to…but ya know what? The guy down on the corner begging for food because he is starving talks to god all day. When I walk by him, he is talking to god…is he crazy??? you would probably say yes, or course, but not these other guys? Everytime someone comes along claiming to be the second coming ie/; Koresh, y’all kill them…so…when are you going to know jesus if he comes…what if you already killed him??
think on that..or will it be the horse in the sky thing?…hummmmmm
October 16th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
I generally like listening to alex, but one thing that REALLY turns me off about him is his apparent fondness for animal hunting. I’ve heard him mention more than once that he wished he had more time off to do things he enjoys, hunting being one of them. Doesn’t this make him a sport hunter? To derive any pleasure from killing an animal is SICK. I suspect his christian mindset has a lot to do with this side of him. I’d like to hear Alex spend a couple of hours explaining to his audience in detail why he hangs on to his christian belief and also why he likes to hunt for sport.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
Zeitgeist is Communism pure and simple. You can paint a pimple pink but it’s still filled with puss. Oh before you get all “You’re a closed minded Christian” on me, know this, I’m not religious at all. But I have studied Communism & Fascism & all the pagan s--- & this is classic Illuminati shtick. You morons who can’t see that better wake up. They are trying to attack us with disinformation. We have to understand that Psychological warfare is their main tool against us.
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
thank you for calling me a Moron….I to have studied all of this and continue to. I have lectured and done papers on it. I have a very old book collection that I inherited and I read everyday. So your so sure you got it all figured out huh?
communism…hummmmwhere does that word come from?…hummm..commune living…sharing??
I don’t know…I’m just a moron…heh heh heh
good frickin grief!
it seems infowars has been infiltrated maybe not by NWO but maybe just uneducated 15 year olds…maybe..? something to think about
EVH Reply:
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:33 am
thank you for calling me a Moron….I to have studied all of this and continue to. I have lectured and done papers on it. I have a very old book collection that I inherited and I read everyday. So your so sure you got it all figured out huh?
communism…hummmmwhere does that word come from?…hummm..commune living…sharing??
I don’t know…I’m just a moron…heh heh heh
good frickin grief!
it seems infowars has been infiltrated maybe not by NWO but maybe just uneducated 15 year olds…maybe..? something to think about
October 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
334- Maybe it proves that the social engineers of todays soceity had already rewritten the bible enough times before you would ever get to read it to make you believe that the prophecys are true. Maybe you don’t realize the “word of god” has been changing and evolving for the last 2000 years and I can’t even count how many different versions of this book there are and how many more millions of interpretations. Just do us all a favor and stop trying to understand the bible if your not in the illuminati, freemason, or opus dei or w.e crazy cult there is. They are the only ones who know what this book is really about along with an incredibly small number of researchers (which you haven’t read clearly).
So do your homework on your beloved “word of god” maybe you’ll find out its an occult book that teaches the history of the cult of aton (or lucifarianism which ever term floats your boat). Till then shhh your bible flipping is disturbing the power of nature at work here. Smart people are trying to talk about the retarded gorilla that AJ has show us he is.
J. Londoño
October 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I’ll be the first to agree that there are many valid criticisms to be made about the latter half of Zeitgeist Addendum (ZA). Nevertheless, I must take issue with G. Edward Griffin’s criticism of ZA’s treatment of the Federal Reserve System.
Griffin writes:
“However, I practically fell out of my chair when the program repeated that old, silly argument about the Fed not creating enough money to cover the cost of interest on debt; and, therefore, the world must forever be in debt. I knew right there that the writer did not read The Creature from Jekyll Island or, if he did, he forgot my analysis of this common myth. For those who are interested in that topic, it is found on pages 191-192 of The Creature.”
Mr. Griffin is unquestionably a very knowledgeable and intelligent person, and he’s right about many things. He is not, however, infallible, and nowhere is this more evident than in the ludicrous argument he puts forth in his book (The Creature from Jekyll Island) against the so-called “myth” that banks never create the money needed to pay the interest on all the money supply-expanding loans they make.
On page 192 of said book he writes:
“Let us assume that you pay back your $10,000 loan at the rate of approximately $900 per month and that about $80 of that represents interest. You realize you are hard pressed to make your payments so you decide to take on a part-time job. The bank, on the other hand, is now making $80 profit each month on your loan. Since this amount is classified as ‘interest,’ it is not extinguished as is the larger portion which is a return of the loan itself. So this remains as spendable money in the account of the bank. The decision then is made to have the bank’s floors waxed once a week. You respond to the ad in the paper and are hired at $80 per month to do the job. The result is that you earn the money to pay the interest on your loan, and — this is the point — the money you receive is the same money which you previously had paid. As long as you perform labor for the bank each month, the same dollars go into the bank as interest, then out of the revolving door as your wages, and then back into the bank as loan repayment. It is not necessary that you work directly for the bank. No matter where you earn the money, its origin was a bank and its ultimate destination is a bank. The loop through which it travels can be large or small, but the fact remains all interest is paid eventually by human effort.”
The fatal flaw in Griffin’s argument is that it misses the forest for the trees. This becomes glaringly obvious when you consider an example that has TWO borrowers in it instead of one.
Say, for instance, the money supply is currently zero, and that there are only two people in the economy — Person A and Person B.
Next, let’s assume that a newly chartered local bank — which I’ll call Bank X — has $200 in “excess reserves” (presumably loaned to it by a central bank).
If Bank X loans Persons A & B $100 each and charges them 10% interest, then the money supply increases to $200, total indebtedness increases to $220, and the bank’s excess reserves are exhausted (meaning it can’t create additional money).
Now, if you’re Person A, the question arises: since you owe the bank $110, yet have only $100 to your name, how can you get the extra $10 you need to get out of debt?
Not by going to work for the bank, because the bank hasn’t even received its first interest payment yet, so it has no interest to spend back into the economy.
Thus, the ONLY way you can obtain the $10 you need is by producing a good or service with your labor and offering it to Person B for that very amount. In this way you “capture” — through production-and-exchange — the necessary portion of Person B’s loan principal to pay the interest you owe.
Even though money has “circulated” as a result of this transaction, the money supply is still $200. The only thing that has changed is the distribution of that supply, because you now have $110, while Person B has only $90.
Now, HERE is where we get to the heart of the matter.
When you go to Bank X and pay the $110 you owe, the principal portion of that loan — $100 — vanishes back into the nothing from which it was created, while your $10 interest payment goes into the bank’s capital assets. Thus, the MOST that Bank X can spend back into the economy is $10. Let’s assume it does so by paying Person B $10 to wax its floors.
This brings the money supply back up to $100, thereby leaving Person B with $10 of UNPAYABLE INTEREST DEBT –- a debt that will now proceed to COMPOUND over time (see http://www.wealthmoney.org/wonder.html).
At this point, the ONLY way Person B can avoid bankruptcy is for someone else to obtain an interest-bearing loan from Bank X, making it possible for him to “capture” — through the same process of production-and-exchange — the necessary portion of that someone else’s loan principal to get out of debt.
So we see that, under our debt-based money system, interest can never truly be paid off, but can only be SHIFTED from one person to another, or one sector of the economy to another (public to private, or vice versa).
Griffin was able to conveniently avoid acknowledging this fact — and hence its far-reaching implications — by limiting his example to only ONE borrower instead of TWO. In doing so, he actually created a “myth” of his own, while pretending all the while he was doing the opposite.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
I can see it now, all who oppose the exposure of Zeitgeist will be turning us in the their Illuminati conspiracist. They will despise us because we believe in God and Jesus. Hey folks, you are fulfilling bible prophecy.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
I listened to your show with this guy live.
He totally creeped me out. Bad news!!
I couldn’t believe what he was saying.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
I have to agree with his criticisms. Maybe a thousand years from now when we have all cross bred into one race and the entire world is built up and free of war these cashless societies can exist. All this technology that we use and solves so many problems like they talk about in the movie, would not have existed if it wasn’t for free enterprise.
p.s. Alex Jones is a douche bag, he gets good info on these sites, but the government is way too incompetent to make everything a conspiracy like he claims. Not to mention that he thought the original Zeitgeist was great, except for that whole christianity part, which is probably the easiest part to source.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
The movie Zeitgeist is a religion! Just look at the mindless following it has! You claim Christians are close minded to the truth, but look how venomously you respond when someone questions the validity of your beliefs! If you are as intellectual and open-minded as you claim, watch some rebuttals to the Zeitgeist propaganda. Here some links http://lionandlambtv.com/index.....es/view/33
October 16th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
Zeitgeist did nothing to discredit Christianity. Re-read that first line there again… It hs all been debunked and there is even a cash reward out there if the Zeitgeist promoter of his illuminati created religion can prove any of it. On Youtube just look up Zeitgesit + Kabane the Christian for one person that has went far out of his way to debunk the religious creeds of Zeigesit. There are plenty of other sites out there that do the same thing though… If you can’t see the film for NWO propaganda your’re still running after reactionary tangents and illuminati creeds.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
And they all wondered after the beast……………..
October 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
if you dont like alex…GO SOMEWHERE ELSE! What are YOU doing?? NOTHING.
you people putting down Alex Jones makes me sick to my stomach. You people thinking Alex Jones needs to be perfect all the time make me sick to my stomach. The guy works his butt off, while YOU TYPE ON THE INTERNET!
I like Alex very much even with his faults, and I WILL NOT BE THE ONE TO THROW THE FIRST STONE!!! GET IT???
October 16th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
i think PJ needs to grow up, what is he a f---in kindergardner. the masses will wake up one glorious morning and realize that, if we all hold hands across the world and share everthing then you’ll be able to go to wal-mart and just take what you need? here it’s free.lol. what kind of hippie bulls--- is that. not even the kids that tried it in the 60’s could pull it off, and that was bread crums compared to the hands across the world comittee. and all this religous talk, don’t fight your battles based on that. it’s just a talking point. to each his own. there are more important issues to talk about.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Alex, you’ve lost a listener. While I am not a firm believer in everything brought up in the Zeitgeist movies……
If you cannot allow your guests to even speak, why have them on?
You acted like a child, which suggests to me that you were desperate to discredit Mr Joseph.
Why?
I am now questioning your motives, after many many years of listening.
You woke me up, and I cannot forget that!
But it seems to me your ego is getting the better of you these days.
Let others speak their ideas, *discuss* them with your guests, instead of trying to be-little and berate them. Mr Joseph out-shined you by a million miles yesterday. And now your slander of his films just seems pitiful to me (maybe there is some substance to it, but as yet you have provided no references to your accusations!)
If want to keep people listening, let others express their ideas on your show.
Disagree with them – great! But don’t act like an ar$ehole.
Tuning out……..
October 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Zeitgeist and the Bible are BOTH crap.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Zeitgeist. Although his view of a utopian society is commendable it’s unrealistic. Why? Original Sin. I know some don’t believe in the concept of Original Sin claiming it’s outdated religous dogma. Adam and Eve lived in paradise. There was no concept of money. They had all they needed yet they still found a way to fall from grace. The human race by nature is greedy and selfish. Abandoning the concept of a money market will not change the human condition.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
But both still have plenty of truth in them, and lots of BS.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
“…I was supremely happy, for I had seen. Nothing could ever be the same. I have drunk at the clear and pure waters and my thirst was appeased. …I have seen the Light. I have touched compassion which heals all sorrow and suffering; it is not for myself, but for the world. …Love in all its glory has intoxicated my heart; my heart can never be closed. I have drunk at the fountain of Joy and eternal Beauty. I am God-intoxicated.” -J. Krishnamurti
Lutyens, “Awakening”, Farrar, Straus hardcover, p 159-160. Quoting Krishnamurti’s written account, now in the Krishnamurti Archives, Krishnamurti Foundation America.
This is the man who Alex is apparently afraid of ???
This man lived a life of self examination and peace. How many of us can say the same thing?
When you yourself have this kind of experience you’ll understand what is ACTUALLY being communicated by those who express these ideas. Try reading the material (not just J.K. but all that question the way our minds operate and how to tame this process) before making fear based blanket statements about it. If you can manage to read it without fear, your thinking and thus your actions will be changed forever.
He (J.K.) also rejected the idea of being “The Christ” for anyone but HIMSELF. Which is the point. And when you get this you WONT be inclined to be the kind of tyrannical, malevolent person Alex makes such a huff about. Nor will you be inclined to build walls of beliefs around you that you now have to defend but for no other reason than a feeling of being right.
These power possessed people Alex goes on and on about are nothing but ego maniacs immersed in delusional thinking (much like Alex seems to be often times) who think they have to control the world in full as they see nothing beyond it. If they had ever actually had a personal experience they would see how sad their path of endless desire at the expense of others is. How completely unfulfilling it is by it’s very nature.
What J.K. discusses at length is the path of personal transformation. It is about self control, not control of others. Alex seems to be good at calling people out but terrible at being called out because he sadly can’t understand certain viewpoints due to his own limiting ideas about humans and obviously himself. This he will of course deny when confronted. But it is revealed to anyone paying attention and with a basic understanding of the human psyche through his more self reflective moments of the show the he too desires to be more in control of his own mind and behaviours.
Alex has some good information useful for those who are willing to take action. And is to be credited for standing up to the bullies of the world but as the old saying goes. “Takes one to know one.” It seems clear that what he lacks is wisdom and compassion. Which is made clear every time he promotes fear, misrepresents material and misquotes his guests. But he too has his place and those who take in the information I’m sure are astute enough to sift for the gold and toss out the hubris of his blustery pontifications. -nice line huh? Ha ha.
We as individuals have the potential to be better, less violent, more compassionate, more cooperative, more honest than we seem to want to take responsibility for. We are all part of the problem and all part of the solution. Shows like these make a living out of clipping a the branches of a dying tree when what is needed are new seeds to be planted. We, the people, can create new systems using the inventiveness of our creative minds and of course re-using things that were good from the past so that the systems now in place to enslave us are simply not needed anymore. There is no Utopia! And none has been offered by the material Alex is referencing. There is however a better way. Just like there are better ways to generate power, build buildings, grow food (not GMO control) and even pick up a heavy box. Lift with your leggggs!
Events and behaviours are cause and effect. Look at the why and you can change the how. Not all of these are simple questions but fear does not solve them and they will not go away.The more we try to pretend they don’t exist the more the elite will deal with these issues in a way that suits them and their agendas.
In the meantime, realize that even now, as Alex and the like spout their vitriol offering problems but rarely solutions, the world has so much beauty in it. So many good people do good work for humanity. If you step out of your comfy cage you’d see it and even better perhaps be inclined to stop complaining and help. This is God’s work. Not inciting fear and suspicion. Don’t just do the good work, BE the good work.
My hope is that our path is to get over our lower primal ways of thinking and truly embody these traits made clear in 1st Corinthians 13: 1+
Love is long suffering,
love is kind,
it is not jealous,
love does not boast,
it is not inflated.
It is not discourteous,
it is not selfish,
it is not irritable,
it does not enumerate the evil.
It does not rejoice over the wrong, but rejoices in the truth
It covers all things,
it has faith for all things,
it hopes in all things,
it endures in all things.
Love never falls in ruins;
If we don’t, the cycle will continue as it always has or worse yet we’ll simply destroy ourselves. This is what all the sages of our time have admonished us to do. It’s not popular advice and seems unfortunately too rarely heeded. But as our popular culture communicates to us daily, it’s always easier to blame someone else for your problems.
All that is happening in the world today is part of the ongoing transition and all of us have our place. If you really have a relationship with God then trust that a “good” god is working things out to bring us back to oneness with itself. The tenants of a good life are simple. Do as you would be done unto. Realize the ripple effect of every decision you make and the affect it has on others. If it causes harm, make every effort to stop. If you can actually start here you’ll be doing a world of good. If we spent more time doing good and helping our fellow man than trying to stop bad things and helping ourselves perhaps we COULD change the world. There is a reason Jesus says “For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.” He tapped in and like all great teachers requires no less of us.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
To all of the Zeitgeist supporters
I’m not a religious man, but why are you all making this into a religious thing? This is about the need for money, in my opinion. You would not be sitting at your computer if it wasn’t for compensation (money). How would the world work without compensation, or money. I don’t get everyone’s train of thought on this. Please explain to me your position, instead of attacking religion or a person. Debate the idea with me, because I do not understand where you are coming from. Maybe I’m missing something? I don’t know. Please explain how this is not a “Brave New World” that this movie promotes. Please!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
The Christianity we’re sold today is all fake, but Biblical obedience to the words of Yeshua (Jesus) are far, far away from what’s done by todays “Christians”. Follow and obey the actual Bible and you’ll live in a complete freedom from all man’s tyrannical B.S.- You’ll see all the NWO stuff miles off and the fake Christians too. Something to ponder, the Bible says that 66.6% of those claiming to be Christians are not! 666 is the mark of the Beast- maybe False Christianity??? Read Zechariah 8…
October 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Wow, I thought alex would let this dog lie. I guess not. I don’t like the fact that today he keeps saying that peter joseph said he’s stupid and a moron because he believes in jebus sic. Joseph has a good idea, albeit, a little before it’s time. Christians are the biggest frauds. As joseph was saying yesterday if you are born in an arab country or india you’ll be Muslim or Hindu everyone is environmentally influenced. I never heard or saw any derisive terms used toward christians. All he did was explain the probable underlying basis for Christianity. QUESTION EVERYTHING.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Peter Joseph is slick. I have a lot more respect for him seeing the interview, but I’m going my way.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
cris 259,
not everything has been created by humans or their technology. God created the Heavens and the earth. God created humans and the Constitution declares my God-given rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. These truths are self-evident. Stop letting liars like this movie-maker tell you that some higher conscious entity on this earth, including his luciferian lodge brotherhood, or the UN can take away those rights. Are you in this world or of this world and its “I can be god through illumination” lies? You nor this movie-maker will ever create even the smallest atom from nothing. All you can do is try to manipulate what God has created. It is hard to prove Jesus existed but it is easy to show that Albert Pike, and madam blavatski did; and to show the atrocities that come from their truly evil religion of self-god making. Just look at what it did to Hitler. If you don’t want to live under the Constitution and its God-given rights, then head for the nearest sociatlist state now and let the rest of us stay here to protect what is ours.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
Alex Jones is becoming more and more full of himself, egotistical and clearly self-righteous. This is not to say he’s right on most of the stuff he speaks about, but this interview wasn’t professional at all. I’m kinda hating the direction AJ has been taking this last year…
Others have said it before : STOP fkn interrupting the people you are interviewing as soon as you know the interviewee is gonna blab about something you disagree with. Imagine having that done to yourself, I’m sure it happened before, and i’m sure as hell you hated it.
Also the constant selling of crap is really getting to us, it’s getting real bad…
I dunno. I don’t visit Infowars every day like I used to.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Reading these posts it appears to me that the Christian followers have been put into a doublthink scenario by Alex. The term NWO is only associated as, in the religious context, bad or evil! This is misleading. NWO does not equal a resource based global economy and should not be termed as such. Arguing with a rooted religious member is futile, in my experience, and the conversation goes nowhere fast. Given that fact it supports the idea that religions purpose has fulfilled its destiny… to CONTROL YOU! Believing in something is not bad whether it be spiritual or the christian faith but to be lead like blind sheep puts you in the same position as you say you are in under the Elite. It is all about Control! Learn to stop and listen and think not react because it was drilled into your head that anything against your religion is so called satanic. I am atheist and i don’t practice satanic rituals. As a matter of fact, I hang out with Christian’s once and awhile and do normal things that people do. I find many Christians to be the most hypoctrical of there so called faith but it doesn’t really matter. We are just people. Be weary of the lies Alex sometimes tells you as they are pulled out of context. The blind leading the blind can be just as scary as Corrupt leading the blind. Peace.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Ah, what the heck. It’s all good. The communists have promised to give your precious constitution back to you if you’ll only let them hold the reigns of power for a day or so.
C’mon. Just for a little bit…
October 16th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
another contradiction we live with every day especially you Christians who should know better
we stamp in God we trust on our fake monopoly money ha! if we trusted in God we wouldn’t have the phoney money that we truly worship.
Playing Church and deluding yourself into thinking you are so special that you have a special train coming to pick you up before the s--- hits the fan is quite insane.
What hypocrites If Jesus showed up today and told the Christians to give away all their possessions and follow him we would see a lynching twice as fast than the first time.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Good girl Denise # 328.!!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:46 pm
Our system could, and should work. It is not working because of the military industrial complex/secret second real government stealing our money. This country was dynamic in the 50’s, and early 60’s. When we had a leader gunned down in the streets we lost it. The government pension plan that has 30-60 trillion in it would be what our Social Secruity fund would have had in it, if it was not stolen after JFK was murdered. They took all our cash then, and gave us a IOU. Then our current pay in’s were used to pay the retired ones with the rest of the cash going to fund the current budget, with the IOU amount increasing each year. In 2005 we were putting about 900 billion into the government with them paying out 550 billion to retired people, and putting the rest of the cash to fund current spending. Spending on wars, that have no real reason other than for someone else’s profit steals more money from us. We have had the same problems for years, and the same two party system each year say’s they will fix it, WHEN ? So while we needed people in government to meet back when we were formed, why is that true today with modern communications ? The Bankster Bailout bill that went from 10 pages to almost 500 pages in a day, how was that done, who wrote it, who read it, how did that happen overnight ? Economics could work as it is taught, but it is being corrupted. We use public money for major projects to benefit us, but it is being use to destroy other countries. Before we can move on to some utopia, we must recapture our country to make this system work for us now. I seen how it could work years ago, I would like to see that happen again.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I think Alex is right about some of the stuff being unrealistic but I also think Alex is very one dimensional. He attacked David Icke for what he believed and now he is all buddy buddy with him. I think Alex doesn’t realize that you can’t attack people without falling under the same umbrella as the elite. Thinking you know it all or are more elite makes you attack people and one thing Alex did for sure is got mad about the religious beliefs of Peter Joseph or at least the film as well as got mad about the no money solution thing.
First off Money doesn’t motivate anyone. People only work cause without money you don’t eat or have anything. You’re poor. Most people hate their jobs and only do them cause you need money in this world that we live in and while I can’t say I agree entirely with Zeitgeist, I can definitely see how money makes everyone act in ways and do things that they wouldn’t do if they didn’t need to get money. Thinking that everyone is going to be lazy or do nothing if money wasn’t a factor is very one sided. Laziness only refers to people who don’t work jobs normally but jobs are only things that people do for money. It has nothing to do with what people really want to do with their life.
Secondly religion is man made and also a class to separate people. People should be allowed to believe or not believe anything they want and all this Christian, Muslim, Athiest stuff is just a way to categorize peoples belief which I think is unwise. That’s like saying someone is smart cause they went to Harvard or Yale but they are not as smart when they go to a city college or community college. It’s all separation and is all driven by money and class.
I’m not saying everyone should be the same cause we are not the same period but I do think
most of us act a way that we wouldn’t act if certain things wasn’t a factor, like money, like skin
color, beliefs, like education. I mean our whole society is based off status. You can be a nobody today and tomorrow if you appear on t.v you will have a fan base and whole bunch of people who
like you just cause you were on t.v. Its crazy. We worship status. There are people who worship Alex just cause he has some websites, movies, a radio show and stuff. Its crazy.
We do need to move away from all this worship of people. Look at the Obama craze right now.
We should look at both Alex and Peter and information providers and analyze it not say Alex is
right cause he is Alex or Peter is right cause he Peter. Its not about right or wrong. Its about
making this world a better place to live in for ourselves and somewhere along the way not only
Alex but his listeners as well as Peter Joseph followers have lost that. Who cares what someone
believes or does so long as they aren’t hurting anyone or causing death, destruction and so on.
Its time to elevate to higher consciousness and by all means understanding that money or status
has nothing to do with anything. Why is a king a king. Why do we even need a king or a president.
I’m not against it but questioning it makes you think of how far we have gone into worshiping
others as if they are supreme. Education is supreme. Not technology. Technology comes from education, learning, building, creating. Money is just a means of transfer. I didn’t like the
interview at all yesterday because of all the attacking. People don’t realize wars and all that are
caused from all this stupid separation of people. There is natural separation like language and
areas where people live which is fine but religion and money and class and stuff are man made separations and I have to say I disagree with them and anyone who thinks they are good for mankind.
However I wont attack you or say you are wrong cause they doesn’t help anything. I will just see
if there is a way to reach a common ground. There is no one way to solve a world wide problem.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
I must agree to a point with 366 – Luke O. Alex did ack like a mad man during the interview and it did start to piss me off. I continued to listen to him out of respect, but it has made me think a little less of Mr Jones.
Other are right too, he does work his ass off! But, but, he does make a lot of money from doing this! Dont let anyone tell you different!
I am not picking a fault, he has to support his family!
At the end of the day, people can believe what they want to, why should a movie on the internet threaten your faith???
people say thigns that hurt everyday, get over it, and enjoy life. It is far too short to worry about the small stuff.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
I’m pretty sure the whole zeitgeist thing is just pro Lucifer sun worship BS, why would they accuse anyone with religious beliefs as idiotic and closed minded, like these assholes think they’re God and that they hold the true belief system to save the world. Sounds like a NWO cult movie which is anti Christian and pro new age, they’re using the 911 and the federal reserve thing as bait to lure people into their mindset. A NEW AGE CULT MOVIE.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
I have listened to both jacque fresco and alex jones for years and i know if alex had the balls to interview jacque alex would be owned. I didn’t like how alex jones used media tactics to make the arguments look ridiculous. I really am dissapointed, but alex was right about one point. People are too stupid for resource based economy to work and the mechanisms for control are already in for the new world order and they would manipulate the sheep into a george orwell estate. We were defeated a long time ago when the goverment gained control of education and the bankers gained control of the goverment. People can’t break the condition. I have tried to wake up at least 100 people and only one has woken up.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
wow , theres a lot more Zeitgeist “movement ” cultists than i thought ! Did any of you actually read this article ?? do any of you actually read at all ??
I think that this movie attracts people who either “Hate ” religion (and religious people),even though they are currently free not to practise religion , and others who just want everything to be ” free” . you are all fools . People who are “reasonable” do not mind if their neighbour is religious ,and would not seek to change them or tell them they are idiots for practising whatever that religion is . this is called freedom ,and you should all be fighting for your neighbours right to do so. I am not religious either before you all steam in .
Zeitgeist takes you off down the wrong path with regards to solutions which is explained to you in this article , unless that is you are a Communist in which case you are on the right track !!
So much Hate coming from you Zeitgeist Movement Cultists ,its very suspicious if you ask me, all this fuss over a sh1t movie , just because it has some truth in it and is professionally made in a genre of movie which is generally made up of home made movies , it seems to impress people who are easily impressed (like most of the modern “Pop Culture”)
I can see why Alex lost his rag with that muppet yesterday , I don`t blame him at all , it takes 2 to tango and PJ definitely did his fair share of poking to get what he got , and he deserved everything he got .
October 16th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
It’s easy to attack Alex on his temper (He’s not perfect) , but I have yet to see a Zeitgeist fan attack him on the facts, namely those he expounded upon in his show today (Also from G. Edward Griffin’s critique as well as Chris White’s connection to occult symbolism).
October 16th, 2008 at 3:51 pm
This is my second comment on this and the LAST time I will visit Infowars. I used to support this site but now I realize its full of a bunch of tin foil hat wearing bible thumpers. The NWO put out Zeitgeist?? Are you people f---ing serious? Maybe you didnt realize that the actual gist of the movie is to GET OFF THE GRID, STOP PAYING YOUR TAXES AND STOP SUPPORTING A SYSTEM THAT HAS NEVER WORKED! Alex is about money and fame. He doesnt act out unless there is a camera watching or a radio audience listening. There are those of us like me who have been through martial law and have had to raise a gun against our own government the way the second amendment intended. How many of you practice what you preach? How many times has Alex or any of you had to raise a gun to protect your home from being burglarized by the US military? How many of you still pay taxes? For all of you bible thumping NWO’ers out there, i’ll have you know this. During Katrina, it was the CHURCH that was working with the soldiers during martial law to get everyone to consent to their illegal actions. Church leaders were sent into the community to try and get us to drop our weapons and give up. Peter Joseph did show a solution and while I dont agree with the Venus Project in its entirety, even Jaque Fresco said it would “need a lot of working out” and “it isnt a perfect plan.” By the way, its not called the Venus Project because its linked to some luciferian master plan. It started in Venus, Florida where he lives idiots! I guess the better solution is to scream “we’re not your slaves” into a bullhorn while the elite laugh at you. f--- this site…….go read a book.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
Well I for one am relieved to hear that shadow governments, central banks, repressive religion, economic slavery, war, poverty, etcetera are all actually good things according to these “reviews”.
This poor attempt at damage control from “our” corrupted so called “liberty organisations” is laughable, glad to see commercial fear mongers like infowars/alex jones expose themselves like this.
PS. nice “the truth about what really happened to the catholic church” banner, how much are they paying?
October 16th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
So many Christian Zealots… I’m never coming back to this place again. Alex Jones has really let himself go this year.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:04 pm
If you are critically thinking, you might wonder why it is only Christianitly that Zeitgeist attacks. Hmmm… They only bother with their true opposition! Oh you will get your world government, world “religionless” religion, and cashless techno society dream – but at great cost. All you have to do is receive the mark and all your problems will disappear! Think men! Think!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Here’s how I see it
I had a near death experience in my early 30’s that changed my life and opened up my understanding of my true nature, which I witnessed firsthand that I was “Eternal”
I realized in a split second that ALL Human suffering rose out of the fear of death
This fear allows us to justify acting in an inhumane and *immoral ways, i.e. war, etc.
I also realized what Jesus meant when he said that “you cannot enter heaven until you have been born again”
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The first time you are born, you are born out of your mother into the flesh
Being born again, is being born out of the flesh and into the spirit (the light)
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This event reveals to you that you will never die and changes your values at the deepest level and changes your life by removing your fear of death
Christianity has been coopted by the “Corporate Money Engines” and now sell a watered down version of their “Canned Jesus” at 20% discount
Jesus tried to start a revolution based on everybody having this experience as part of becoming “Civilized” and thereby ushering in a true civilization of true brotherhood
Jesus was the “Adam” of a new civilization and then the “Evil Overlords” killed him
Then they coopted his message and turn his message into doublespeak and in our ignorance we have been fooled to support the murder of our brothers for their profit
Somebody needs to start a new movement called “Jesusianty”
REMEMBER: You can’t have an “Anti-Christ without “Anti-Christians”
That’s my story, and I’m sticking to it…{:o))
The Mad Cowboy
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There is no need to be religious when defining “Morality”
· Moral = Being Harmless
· Immoral = Being Harmful
October 16th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Damn, I cannot listen to Alex’s fat mouth anymore. See ya
October 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
WOW! 401 comments to a story about a movie I don’t care about nor will I ever watch.
Gathering information from the article I don’t see anything different here than plain old communism. The communist movement has always been anti-Christian, anti-family even though they claim to support the family.
Since I live in the not so great state of Illinois it might be interesting for all of you to know were about to elect a communist to the Presidency, but I sure some of you know that already.
Do you think that this movie would be getting the attention that it’s getting now if there wasn’t a push toward communism in the country?
People especially in the Big cities want government to take care of them, to change their little diapers and wipe their little noses and their about to elect a candidate to do it.
NO I’m not supporting McCain here I’m just telling you that were in for “ONE HELL OF A RIDE”!
Just remember when Obama was first elected to the US Senate the first person he visited was David Rockefeller.
Better have some food a water filter and plenty of guns, enough to arm every member of your house- hold down to the age of 13.
You’re going to need them unless you plan on going to the re-education camps.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
FULL ACK @ #373
October 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Hello Fellow Bloggers
When discussing religion always remember to discuss the “Jim Jones Effect”
It’s worthy of your considerations in this ongoing debate!
The Mad Cowboy
October 16th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Alex is not a Christian, boys. If he were anything, he would be a secular Jew. Alex is CIA: he offfers no solutions. He has his own radical homosexual, Zionist aims: USA to be the new home of all the European Jews.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
I think that Zeitgeist is trying to show that Organized religion is corrupt just like our government. the basis for all these religions are a lie, and based on something that most of us have no idea about. the video, or at least the first one, is good because it brings up the question about god associated with political decisions and why our “leaders” choose to use God as a reference in their decision making. Each one of us is God, because we’re all holy, in the fact that no other person ever in the universe will have the same point of view as you each have. No one will ever see the world as you see it today, right this second….
I don’t need to say god bless, i need to say that we’re all god, so bless yourself….!
October 16th, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Response to Tyler Durden #400. How do you know Alex Jones only acts up in front of a camera or on the radio? Do you live with him?? That makes no sense at all.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
It’s amazing that many see the false flag during 9/11 but can’t see the same spew from Illuminati jargon. One of their many goals is to demonize Christianity.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
i think that alex is really misunderstanding peters points of view.