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Zinn: 9/11 Truth Is For “Fanatics”, Has “No Practical Political Significance”
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Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Friday, Nov 21, 2008
Just days after left-wing anti-war icon Howard Zinn told an audience that he didn’t care if 9/11 was an inside job, he has repeated the sentiment, stating that questions regarding the attacks have "no practical political significance" and that 9/11 truth activists are "fanatics" who are wasting their time.
During a lecture at UQAM university in Montréal, Zinn was once again asked if he would support a new 9/11 investigation.
Zinn responded:
"I have said that what happened on 9/11 deserves to be investigated more than it has been because I don’t accept and believe official investigations and official reports.
But having said that, and I want to say that this has really annoyed a lot of people, but why not, and I will annoy more people by saying that I think there are many people who have become fanatics about 9/11. By fanatics I mean, they think we should drop everything and just concentrate our energies on finding out what happened on 9/11.
I don’t think the question of what really happened on 9/11 is the most important question we can ask."
Zinn then took a direct swipe at the 9/11 truth movement by stating:
"To tell a movement of citizens in the United States that this is something that we really have to make an issue of, I don’t believe it because we don’t need what happened on 9/11, we don’t need that to tell us about the crimes of the Bush administration.
I believe there are certain things that happen in history and certainly questions that are asked that divert us from the important things that we have to do at hand.
The truth is I don’t think anyone will ever really know what happened on 9/11 just as I don’t think anyone will really know who killed John F. Kennedy, and there are a lot of people who wasted a huge amount of time working on something that did not have any practical political significance."
Zinn then asserted that his previous comments at a lecture in Colorado has been distorted and that he never said he did not care about 9/11 or the fact that it was in the past.
Zinn’s exact words that day were "I don’t know enough about it (the 9/11 conspiracy) and the truth is I don’t much care, that’s past."
Watch the video:
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In our previous article we analysed how other leftist luminaries such as Noam Chomsky have belittled the efforts of 9/11 truth activists and attempted to dismiss the political significance of asking questions and highlighting evidence of government complicity in the attacks, while at the same time clearly acknowledging that the truth remains covered up and withheld.
This cements commentators such as Zinn and Chomsky as intellectual cowards and allows them to be used as leftist gatekeepers by an establishment that even they admit has used 9/11 as a means to facilitate aggressive and monstrous foreign and domestic agendas.
What really happened on 9/11 is not a distraction, it is the key to everything:
Without 9/11 there would be no "war on terror".
Without 9/11 there would be no "clash of civilizations"
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Afghanistan.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iraq.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in Iran.
Without 9/11 there would be no war in… (insert any country classified as part of the "axis of evil" or defined as being "with the terrorists")
Without 9/11 thousands of U.S. troops would not have been sent to their deaths.
Without 9/11 hundreds of thousands of citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan would not have been sentenced to their deaths.
Without 9/11 there would be no inaction on the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
Without 9/11 there would be no civilian contractors in Iraq and the scandal that has followed them would have been averted.
Without 9/11 there would be no false military reporting (Pat Tillman, Jessica Lynch), and no crack down on the freedom of the press (banning photographing the returning coffins).
Without 9/11 there would be no Patriot Act.
Without 9/11 there would be no NSA warrantless wiretapping program.
Without 9/11 there would be no Camp Delta and no Camp X-ray at Guantanamo Bay.
Without 9/11 there would be no Military Commissions Act and no coordinated program of extraordinary rendition, indefinite detention and torture of those defined as "enemy combatants".
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in secrecy and complete militarization of intelligence under the newly created office of the Director of National Intelligence.
Without 9/11 there would not be thousands of dead and dying emergency workers who are suffering crippling and fatal respiratory illnesses.
Without 9/11 there would be no vast increase in military and security spending that goes arm in arm with huge cutbacks in other key social programs (such as levees in New Orleans).
Without 9/11 there would have been no total abandonment of fiscal restraint, which has contributed to plunging the nation into an abyss of debt and looks likely to tip the world into a deep recession if not a complete depression.
And on and on and on.
Perhaps most importantly, without 9/11 there would be no "post 9/11 society/mentality".
The ongoing ignorance of official 9/11 lies will continue to feed the fear and hostility that this post 9/11 environment is founded upon. If it is "fanatical" to attempt to pay attention to the man behind the curtain, so to speak, then every member of the 9/11 truth movement should plead guilty.
The definition of a "fanatic" is, in this writer’s humble opinion, much closer to the actions of the fawning audience at both of Howard Zinn’s afore mentioned lectures, who proceeded to inanely cheer their hero no matter what came out of his mouth.
Much more fanatical are the kind of pocket radicals who latch on to one way of thinking, stick steadfastly to one political paradigm, completely close their minds to the wider picture, proceeding to repeat adfinum to their friends in the "coffee revolution" shops what Zinn, Chomsky, Vidal and their ilk have said, in between conversations about the finer points of Jack Kerouac’s stream of consciousness prose, their understanding of the term ‘multiculturalism’ and the origins of Che Guevara’s seminal manual on the theory and practice of guerrilla warfare.
Such people can groan all they like when questions over 9/11 are raised, it doesn’t change the fact that every single significant action the Bush administration has taken over the last seven years, every attack on freedom and crime against humanity that they have committed stems from the events of 9/11.
Yes Mr Zinn, you have angered a great many politically minded people with your comments, but what do you expect when you state that you do not care about what really happened on the most historically significant day in our recent history, and in the lifetimes of many of us?
Indeed, this is the key to Zinn’s comments. To him, what really happened on 9/11 is not significant because it is HE who represents the past, it is HE who is wasting his time and it is HE who is politically insignificant.
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November 22nd, 2008 at 1:51 pm
stupit old guy’s 9\11 has everything to do whit whats happening NOW and the last years he just tyert of protesting so he thinks its a wast of time tell him what he is a wast of time
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
What’s hypocritical about this site is that Howard Zinn’s position is no different from Ron Paul’s on 9/11 and yet Ron Paul is considered a hero here while Howard Zinn is an evil gatekeeper.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
Fuck you Zinn, you fucking senile old prick. 9/11 was an inside job and the cause will come to fruition. You are just an old man who has no life left in that fucking wrinkled body and nobody cares about your views or statements.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
The assassination of a President and the murder of 3,000 people is unimportant to the political landscape of America? I wish he’d tell that to the baby boomers who had to fight in the jungles of Vietnam for twelve years, or my friends and family who are over in desert fighting for a Corporate World Empire right now. This guy is trying to sound thought provoking. Do I think a new 9/11 investigation would bring criminal prosecution, unfortunately, no I do not. Do I think geopolitical, earth shatttering events should be put on a back burner as we look forward to the future, no I do not. According to this guy, when they killed Ceasar nothing should of changed. When they assassinated Arch Duke Ferdinand, it didn’t cause hundreds of millions of deaths of WW1 as a result. If that was the case, politicians would never need war or assassination in their arsenal, just keep rolling the dice, like one big power political crap shoot. Basically he’s talking out his ass.
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:40 pm
yeah let’s kill millions and not give a fuck! I wonder what he would say if his kids died in there. Then again if he’s not really human would he care?
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:49 pm
an accomplice after the fact
and completely irrelevant to the truth movement or any movement of any kind
except perhaps for the ostriches with heads in ground
seems to fit a pattenr of anyone who gets press coverage at all continuing to promote proud ignorance
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:53 pm
did you hear all the people booing the questions from that truther, and then clapping to Zinns bullshit answers?, what a perfect example of mind control on a mass scale. narrowminded twits. we’ll see all you head dead fucks soon!
November 22nd, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Duh Says:
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:59 pm
What’s hypocritical about this site is that Howard Zinn’s position is no different from Ron Paul’s on 9/11 and yet Ron Paul is considered a hero here while Howard Zinn is an evil gatekeeper.
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Ding*Ding*Ding We have a winner!
Well said Duh! Careful now, your facts may hurt many here and they will lash out at you.
I admire Ron Paul and agree with some of his ideas, but as I’ve said in the past if Ron Paul was so concerned about our country or our constitution why does he remain a member of the “one” party system? Why doesn’t he become an independent? Is he beholden to the RNC campaign money?
Now the last time I said this about Ron Paul, someone attacked me and said I obviously haven’t heard Pauls response to why he reamins a republican. Please enlighten me to what he said. As long as he remains in the “one” party system just like Kucinich (Who I respect) then both will continue to be margonized and deemed irrelevant by their party.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
If he understood 9/11 he would understand why Alquaida is not a real threat. I wonder how he feels about the war on terror which resulted from 9/11. In fact everything after 9/11 was because of 9/11. I wonder if he is scared of terrorists, because I’m not, and I can’t stand how Obama just want to refocus the war on terror in diff countries, but doesn’t seem to want to end it, he will end it by finishing the war, and it will not end by the time Obama is out of office IMHO.
I’m starting to hate this country!
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
we have loads of leftie old pricks like him here in the uk .stevie wonder could see 911 was a inside job, what is with these people.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:05 pm
Duh does have a point. Also, when has Vidal ever said anything stupid about 9-11?
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
Uncle Fester, you can judge them by their fruits and Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich’s (aside from giving his delegates to Obama) fruits are good.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:11 pm
this guy does have a point about there are many other pressing matters we should pay attention to but that is an uneducated point seeing as tho lots of these events would never have come to pass if 911 never happened
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:13 pm
What an asshole. I’m in New Zealand and I just brought myself a $350 banner to wave around (it’s huge). No-one here in NZ even cares about 9/11 truth but I might as well get the information out there. There are heaps of old pricks who talk like Zinn. Here in NZ we have the old prick who runs the anti-bases campaign. I went to one of his conferences once (only 10 people showed up, lol!) and I asked him a question about building 7. I briefly mentioned the fact that it was demolished and then asked how they did it and why. Then he immediately smiled uneasily and walked away.
It doesn’t matter though. We will continue exposing false-flag terror anyway. Even if there’s bugger all hope. Look at the JFK thing – people are still talking about it today! Imagine how long 9/11 truth will last. Let’s make history!
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:14 pm
Looks like Howard Zinn needs to lay off the government weed.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:26 pm
the day we stop asking questions is the day we lose the rest of our rights.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pm
i thought this guy was gona be alright but hes a dumb cunt.. but its true, it doesnt matter who specifically did 9/11 because we already know who the enemy is.. the brotherhood can only be stopped by us changing our lifestyle to a natural, peaceful, self-sufficiency. their only means of power is money and we always have the personal power to reject their money and products and TV and advertisements and shit.. they only control us if we let them. people need to break free from the mind control grid and we can win.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 pm
I wonder if Howard Zinn feels the same way about the Anthrax attacks. Just doesn’t matter??
And Duh at #2. Great point about Ron Paul.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:42 pm
Howard Zinn is a intelectual coward who dropped bombs on japanese families during WWII and now he is belittling truthers and lieing about the questioner mis-quoting him. It is because of government lies and cover-up that the muslim world is being slaughtered. Thanks to an assholes like Zinn and Chomskey that the truth will be swept under the rug. REAL PATRIOTS speak the truth.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:51 pm
atomic bombs must be detonated a chain reaction must ensue
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:56 pm
both sides make good arguments here.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:01 pm
STOP LOOKING FOR APPROVAL AND RATIFICATION from government NWO stooges- esp the “moderate/progressives” like Naomi Klein (who also said ït doesnt matter who is behind 911″)”, Chomsky, Amy Goodman, Larissa Alexandrovna etc etc and all the affiliated jewish sayanim propagandist obfuscators.
Quit wasting time WE NO LONGER have on these garbage slicksters peddled by the establishment. Stay focused on digging up the Truth in newer and deeper realms. WAKE UP. Use their tactics: ignore and move on.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Howard Zinn was standing up and shoving anti-war signs up the”administrations” butt while most of you were still sitting in squishy crap filled diapers and grinning…
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
you don,t get media attention if you speak out or dscredit the gov’ment. like 21 it’ll be swept under the rug due to a.h.’s like zinn and the rest who brush aside events that are responsible for millions of lives not to mention the state of affairs this world is in. the bastards responsible for 911 are the same that gouged us at the pumps and caused the collaspe of our economies through out the world.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Zinn is absolutely right. I’m sorry none of you know what really happened on 9/11 and no one will ever find out. SOMEONE knows who really killed Kennedy but it really doesn’t matter it was just something to divert your attention just like 9/11.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
Great article SW,
Zinn says, “we don’t need what happened on 9/11, …to tell us about the crimes of the Bush administration.”
It’s not about the crimes of the old dirty puppet. It’s about the crimes of the hand that animates the puppet. The same hand that is presently latched on to its fresh new puppet, Obama.
If only the world were so simplistic that burning up our used dirty puppets would make all our problems go away. Unfortunately, as satisfying as the act of roasting reviled puppets may be, it is ultimately a fruitless endeavor and will never lead anywhere but in circles. It’s like trying to get butter from churning water.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
When the biggest criminals in History also happen to be in charge of the most powerful country in the world, for the time being but not for much longer, and a lot of fat people who like watching TV, how can you get anywhere with this ? Change brother, change, yes you can, Change..
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I’m really quite amazed at how people blatantly distort what he’s saying as if they have no common sense, and I am quite astonished at how people who have become obsessed about 9/11 try to selfishly make everyone else ashamed of themselves for not being as completely obsessed.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
So the forces of a state connive to commit atrocities on its own people and blames it on foreign “t’rrrsts”, but it’s of “no practical political significance”. I used to respect this guy, but it seems he cannot spell out clearly what his thoughts are. If he does not believe 911 is an inside job, he can clearly state why. If he has doubts, then he cannot brush it off like that.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Thoreau said, “there are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one hacking at the root”.
Mr. Zinn ups that ratio to a thousand and one to one.
hack away fool.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:50 pm
did this fucking guy just say im a historian and i dont care about the past lmfao
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:01 pm
Your #1 Source for the Truth:
http://www.truthism.com
http://www.falsebeliefs.com
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:03 pm
I have to agree with Zinn. We all know what happened and who did it. The facts have been sifted through ad-nauseum. The perpetrators will never be brought to justice only “pardoned”. This has grown to an obsession to where those including AJ get ‘tunnel vision’ and can see nothing but.
It is now at this time and place a monsterous ‘distraction’ to those who could better put forth their time and energies elswhere. The issue of 9/11 has now become a distraction to other issues which are slipping under the radar.
Do I say drop the entire 9/11 cause? No. But let’s put it in it’s place, and move on. This country is dying…it’s ‘death rattle’ can now be heard. The time for action is long past.
It’s time to get on your knees….because that’s all we have left to us.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:05 pm
What I cannot understand is why this 9/11 debate is still occuring, yes it was a horrific historical event that brought chaos to the masses and confusion to the individual. But when is enough enough? If I have to hear about one more so called “quote” that is so out of context it might as well have been placed in their mouths I might as well give up on humanity in general. Is there anybody out there that is fed up with this so called “TRUTH.” Yes we have to learn from history so our same mistakes do not occur, but what have we learned from this? Well please somebody tell me, because there is more confusion today then there was on 9/11. The fact of the matter is there is no WAR ON FOR YOUR MIND, as Alex Jones so strongly states, but in fact the media is a source of information that we as individuals need to pay more attention to. There is no better source of information for current events then the media itself, and the individual should be educated enough not to take anything word for word, including this very website. The only war going on for your mind, is the fact that small little conspiricy groups like Alex jones and CO. are distorting facts and providing false information. So please make up your own minds and don’t let anybody else do it for you…………
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:10 pm
I doubt 9/11 was as we were told. I have a strong desire to know the truth. Is it important? Is it the key? No. If we could prove right now, without a doubt, that 9/11 was an inside job it would not matter. Most people still would not believe. We could not spread the information in a reliable and effective manner. 9/11 will not save us. So many of you have blindly attacked someone that is on our side. If you want freedom, success, and equality then where do you get off?
Salaam,
Speaker
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I actually agree with Zinn here. There are enough credible, researched, and accepted crimes that have already been committed to indite Bush & Co. (Just read Kucinich’s articles of impeachment). If the public can’t swallow those, what makes you think 9/11 is any more pertinent!?
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Sonme have said they are sick of hearing bout 911, well I am sick of hearing fromthe jews about the Halacost, but well that ain’t going to stop is it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Even if there was a new investigation, nothing would happen. N11 is a great tool though we know it was an inside job,and we use it like any tool to wake the people up. the DVd’s and articles are great tools to hand out, and wake people up, but the only way they will truly wake up is when it gets really bad.
Hell maybe they will take Uncle Fester to the summer camp for a little re=education, but then again he needs none, just another g Pawn for the NWO.
Just remember folks your new line. Yes We Can.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm
911 was an INSIDE JOB!
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Zinn engages in classic intentional Doublespeak, PARAPHRASE, “I doubt the official story and I think we should ask questions, but you know, we shouldn’t doubt the official story and ask questions”
Its pure evil when the left gatekeepers send large groups of liberals into a strange dichotomous trance where they, at on single moment, feel like they have investigated an issue and arrived at a determination of its significance, without lifting a finger or a brain cell. Just by taking the time to listen to one of their thought-leaders say it doesn’t matter is enough to give them pride in that position as if they had arrived to it on their own after years and years of research.
Must be nice!
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:10 pm
To #36:
It is hard to disagree that the country is dying, and we will for sure “move on” with the just elected president for whom war on terror and catching Osama Bin Laden are the top priorities. Good luck with putting your “energies elswhere”!.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:14 pm
To “Watchman on the Wall”–
Thank God for Alex Jones’ [and others'] ‘tunnel vision’– a.k.a. focus, concentration, expertise. Your comments reveal your mind as easily distracted by the ‘expert of the moment’. You are apparently yet another victim of the general ‘dumbing down’ of the masses whose thoughts are easily diverted by the seventh image on the multi-media screen of fictionalized predigested pseudo-reality and who find any issue–no matter how seminal–to be boring after more than five minutes’ superficial rumination. You, WOTW, are a living testament to the induced attention deficit disorder afflicting modern man. I pity you.
You and Mr. Zinn both missed the point that President Bush’s every post 9/11 action hinged on and was supported by an erroneous interpretation of the event. President Bush’s intent and his subsequent actions can only be upheld or questioned in a court of law based on a thorough understanding of 9/11 historical fact.
Kudos and ‘Amen!’ to the magnificently obsessed 9/11 Truthers.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:16 pm
911 MATTERS BECAUSE IT REVEALS BUSH AND OBAMA ARE PUPPETS.
Skilled operatives yes, but puppets non the less. Therefore, your abusers ( the ones who justify war in your name, who steal your taxes from your treasury, etc. ) are still firmly entrenched in power.
If you are under the deluded impression that your carefully selected fronts are in charge of anything beyond what underwear they put on, all I can say is I hope that in time we can all learn to love the continued abuse.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Are We Awake? Says:
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Hell maybe they will take Uncle Fester to the summer camp for a little re=education, but then again he needs none, just another g Pawn for the NWO.
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Please not the scary, dreaded FEMA camps! Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Yup I’m just another pawn for the NWO…LMAO!
Um I believe such a movement may exist. I believe the in the book of Revelation and in the book of Daniel we are actually fore told of a possible scenerio. BUT I am not going to buy into every phucking theory Alex Jones or anyone else tries to sell me.
If all this is true, bring it on. I’m not scared or worried because I refuse to live in fear. All I’m saying is don’t believe everything you read. I question why such a sinister organization would allow Jones and others to expose them at will. I question some of Jones motives which I believe have to do with monetary reasons. I trust no one.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:23 pm
WATCHMAN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
FROM THE BEWILDERNESS-THANKS FOR COMING!
JAMES MANSFIELD
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Zinn and Chomsky are truly intellectual gatekeepers and gatekeepers to the truth. As the “are we awake”character has said, they will constantly moan the hollow-co$t all day long and as well do not support looking into that area of history to see if we are being told the truth on that, much less support Historical Revisionists like Robert Faurison or Ernst Zundel or others that languish in prison for asking the wrong types of questions. How long before the same thing happens with scholars for 9-11Truth? Boo-Hiss on Chomsky and Zinn. The left are as much a bunch of intellectual cowards as the neocons are war mongering Zionist lovers.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:28 pm
People who don’t care about 9/11 and the JFK assassination are missing the point. The fact that these were both inside jobs is relevant, but the bigger crime is the way the media keeps covering them up. People get their “reality” from the media and the media is obviously covering up these crimes. People ask me why I still care about who killed JFK. Well, a better question is why does the CIA still care so much that it keeps putting out disinformation to this day. All of the recent documentaries are so shallow and one-sided. I wonder who paid Bugliosi to write his non-selling book.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:36 pm
Well said Mr. Watson. You hit the nail on the head. For all their intellectual prowess, they are just cowards, pure and simple.
What really makes me laugh is that these academic so-called giants think they are immune to the very mind manipulation and intimidation tactics that they constantly publish in their voluminous volumes on the subject…9/11 proves they are not.
Cheers.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:39 pm
THEY MUST/VE GOT TO HIM
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:44 pm
It’s importatant to see that the people who hold up the “Investigate 911″ signs *don’t* want *the movement* to investigate 911 until everything is crystal clear. That’s what Zinn is saying about the movement – and that’s not true and it is not possible. They don’t hold these signs under each others’ noses and demand 100% truth from the *movement*. The point of the 911 movement is that the people who believe in the official version should get enough information to see that on 911 explosives were used in order to help bring down those buildings (at freefall speed). At that point those folks would be able to see the significance of the event pointed out in Paul Watson’s article (most important the “On and on and on…” part).
911 is the reference case for exposing false flag terrorism and another interesting question is why they CHOSE to bring the buildings down at freefall speed and the set of possible answers to that should make everybody in the USA who thinks they will be able to go along even more uncomfortable.
More doublespeak: If 911 truth is a task complex enough that it can’t be solved by “the movement” (including all kinds of scientists) how can the questions be answered by a room full of bureacrats?
BTW: Who is this priest like figure to Zinn’s right that he has to ask for advice each time a question is asked. Why is Zinn so nervous? It seems he can’t speak a clear sentence, constantly weighing his words and working with smoke and mirrors rethoric.
#2: (Duh): Well said
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:50 pm
I think the guy asking the question here is the same guy from this video clip telling Montreal city hall that; “If any acts of terrorism happen to our swubway system, we are going to know who to blame” – because the Montreal subway system’s security cams had just been handed over to an Israeli co. with questionable ties. (who I think handled London’s “Underground” during the 7/7 bombings also. hmnn?…)
We need more guys like this dude, with the balls to keep asking the real questions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4PtC-PicU
SHAME on Zinn, I’m sorry I used to buy his bullshit somewhat.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:05 pm
The “second” guy asking the question (in this Zinn video) sounds like the guy in this
9/11truth vs. city hall video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv4PtC-PicU
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:32 pm
911 truth IS the most important issue to stopping state sponsored terror attacks.
To ignore it and act like it didn’t happen is to let the perpetrators know its ok, they can get away with it and so we will be doomed for it to repeat again.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:16 pm
the father of lies whispers in their ears just like howdy doody!!!!! the devil is buffalo bob and they are the howdy doodys of this world,,,bunch of puppets selling their souls for a few more dollars!!!!! as the late great John Wayne said,,” Courage is being scared to death but ya saddle up anyway pilgrim” – John Wayne. another?? ” if it isnt all in black and white , then why the hell not?” – John Wayne. and lastly?? “tomorrow hopes that we have learned something from yesterday” – John Wayne. oh what the heck,,,,”talk low , talk slow and dont say too much” – John Wayne.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:17 pm
It seems like the 911 Truth movement is being isolated by the leading lights of the left.
Whether wittingly or unwittingly, these people are hurting what 911 Truthers are trying to achieve.
It would not hurt Howard Zinn to say something like: “I support anyone who is trying to establish the truth of what happened on that day. It is not my personal cause, and I can’t say if it was a conspiracy or not; but I support a new, independent investigation, and I support those who are pushing for a new independent investigation. My only fear is that this might be a distraction from other issues, but if people feel strongly enough to pursue the truth behind 911, then I support their efforts.”
This is essentially his position anyway, but it would be a lot less dismissive. What harm can it possibly do him to offer moral support to the 911 Truth movement. It isn’t as though he is being asked to spend time helping out.
The most annoying thing though, is that Zinn, Chomsky, Goodman etc. all seem to be somehow offended that people are passionate about 911. As though people in the Truth Movement are intellectually inferior or something. At least that is how it comes accross to me.
The crowd reaction to Zinn is disappointing too. It is similar to the audience reaction to Bill Maher when he threatened the 911 Truthers in his audience. Why are they applauding? The only reason I can think is that they have no time for 911 Truthers.
Is there some kind of character trait infused in the 911 truth movement that I am blind to, that outsiders are annoyed by? Or is it the mainstream media’s negative interpretation of the movement that has turned the public against it?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Fuck you, Old man and Die already! You’re life is just about over. What do you care ? What?,… you want to get your two cents in before you supposedly become a GOD in death and still want to ruin this life for us? 911 HAPPENED! Let’s forget that it happened and everything will be alright? BULLSHIT! People Died at the hands of these SERIAL KILLERS! It’s all of us who are stuck with all this that probably some of your friends and buddies had something to do with it all, (Being as old as you are) and will last for generations! What is our and our kid’s future? We will never give up this struggle of 911 until it all comes out and the criminals, from executive down, to the policeman and military who would like to think they are just following orders, breaking the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the People who pay their salaries are behind bars or worse. Follow your conscience pal, you and others will pay for your crimes!
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Who in the fuck said we should “drop everything and just concentrate our energies on finding out what happened on 9/11?” You know for an intellectual this guy is kind of retarded. Of course we need to find out what really happened that day as well as discovering the truth about every other horrible injustice the U.S. Government has committed since the genocide of the Native Americans. What a dirty cunt response, yeah dick head that’s what we think, we should just put everything else aside and focus on 911, fuckin eat shit you old worthless prick.
As a side note, boycott Thanksgiving! Unless of course you enjoy celebrating murder.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Over 2,000 US Citizens were deliberately burnt alive and then crushed to pulp on the morning of
9. 11. 2001. Only a born coward could pretend it’s “not important” to pursue the president and the president’s men responsible for planning this horrendous mass murder.
Mr Zinn can earn a nice living, talking bollocks to rooms full of born cowards.
He is obviously far too old to even consider the alternative of telling the truth about what happened that morning. One has to wonder if he still has enough brain cells to understand the truth if he took the ten minutes it takes read it? http://www.sxolsout.110mb.com/110.html
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Lupus 2012, You posted the following query:
*Who in the fuck said we should “drop everything and just concentrate our energies on finding out what happened on 9/11?”
This old fool (Zinn) at least knows how to deploy a ’straw dummy’, huh? Ha! Please take note..straw man arguments are a mainstay of left-wing globalists. Zinn is a globalist drone and, likely, ‘unrecoverable’. Shake off the dust and move on. Amerika bless God..Semper Fi, Chris in Colorado
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:37 pm
Why won’t one honest man stand up in the government and say “This will not stand “,I can not believe our military has become so low with yes man not one branch will stand up to the cia or the nsa and take back our country and stop the nwo in there tracks . What a sad state of affairs !
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm
Hearing Zinn’s completely ludicrous and amoral (or immoral) comments, made me think of a wonderful quote from St. Thomas Aquinas:
He who is not angry when there is just cause for anger is immoral. Why? Because anger looks to the good of justice. And if you can live amid injustice without anger, you are immoral as well as unjust.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:20 pm
9/11 truth is fundamental. If the claims are real than it is so important for people to understand what this government is capable of. Coming to the realization that 9/11 was an ‘inside job’ is what opened my eyes to so many other things which I would not have otherwise been able to believe. It was THE turning point for me and has been/will be for so many other people. The first step to change is realizing that something is wrong. How can anyone deny the importantance of something so monumental as 9/11 truth. This guy is an idiot.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:24 pm
It never ceases to amaze me…how people can read an article and not see the forest for the trees!
The vast majority of people that i “try” to educate…with information prior to 9ll and up to the present time…have difficulty getting their heads around the fact that 9ll was an inside job…it tends to “keep” them ignorant!
What i have found “by not mentioning 9ll at all”…is that people are more likely to “better absorb” the 9ll issue, after reading through material pre and post that orchestrated event… by doing further research (all roads lead to Rome) most are able to come to their own conclusion…that 911 was in fact an inside job!
I believe what Zinn is stating…is that the 9ll issue is one part of the overall agenda…and a lot of relevant information post 9ll is not receiving the attention it deserves, due in part to the transfixation by many regarding 9ll (can’t see the forest for the trees)
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You don’t give a new born baby steak for it’s sustenance…you start it off with milk…the steak will come in due time…when it’s better able to “absorb” it!!!
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Zinn and his kind are pieces of shit who are American by birth only. Inside they are all communist assholes who think it’s great that the pesants will bear the brunt of all the fallout, while they watch from their tony homes and black Lincoln towncars. shitheads!
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
I am greatly dissapointed in the fact that Howard Zinn (who is one of my favorite left-wing, anti-war political activist and is also author of the novel A People’s History Of The United states Of America: 1942 – Present) is actually REALLY, REALLY apathetic towards an investigation of the attacks on September 11th. But Steve Watson does a good job on responding to those claims here. Showing how 9/11 was a jump starter to so many things in this post 9/11 world we live in. Well done.
- Keith Bordush
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:50 pm
Outstanding post J’en.
Lupus, what are you talking about with that Thanksgiving thing?, crazy man!
I know you ain’t refering to the Indian deal, cause we were frinds with the Indians right up until they took up with the French and started scalping us for cash, they should’nt have done that!
But, I forgive them, my Hebrew brothers.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Look at the THEN to NOW. Or look at the NOW to THEN. 9/11 will always be a catalysis for the NOW and TOMORROW. Don’t let the THEN consume, but don’t set it aside. Multitasking is still permitted. The THEN, NOW and TOMORROW are related. They may travel different routs but they connect to the same hub.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:13 pm
this is a great article. zinn is quickly making his bed as a left-gatekeeper who should realize that 9/11 is the lynch pin – it is the foundational myth that forwards the Agenda.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:59 pm
#71 Red Dawn now
I see your still an ignorant fuck…i notice also…that most of your posts are still the ramblings of your religious “delusions”…such is life i guess!
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:03 pm
You are right Gunny, exactly, we need to start with CDI and work it up from there.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:04 pm
9/11 is a pivotal moment in history. If the truth of 9/11 come out in the mainstream then society as a whole will change. It would be the end of the New World Order and all powerful governments will be seen as the true enemy of Freedom and Liberty.
Since evolution wasn’t acceptable to those in power, then a revolution is our only course of action.
As long a I live, I will speak out against excessive government, plastic entertainers, sadistic owl worshipers. I will never be quieten or silenced and I now see mainstream media as propaganda. I do not believe that we have benevolent leaders but leaders that must be hunted to the edges of this earth. I have grown up in a generation that earns peace.
Howard Zinn, you are a traitor and sell out.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Oh no, I have been insulted by a retard who can only utter profanities, denies the facts of the scriptures and has such a low level education, he usess lower case letters, you are nothing but a joke here, you and none of the other irrelevants have to date proved me or the scriptures wrong, so…you have nothing to say to me that I care about and you have nothing to contribute to Alex Jones site, or our country!
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Zinn: “I pledge alligence to the flag of the United States of Israel”
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:10 pm
I agree that 911 is the event that has triggered the onslaught of violations that followed it. However, running around with video cameras and acting the fool will NEVER fix the problem. There are only two ways that I can see to get the truth made public. The first will never happen, and no one would count it as legitimate, and that is to get to those responsible and use enhanced interigation techniques to get them to confess on live T.V. As I said, everyone would just think they confessed out of duress.
The second is to just tell the U.S. citizens anything they want to hear so that they will elect people that really seek the truth into the presidency. Then, do a bait and switch for good and expose the truth. Just make sure that you have a personal detail that is not apart of the NSA or secret service.
I think that sometimes you have to lie to the people in the U.S. for their own good.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:23 pm
The terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center buildings on September 11th, 2001 was orchestrated by the Illuminati, not terrorists. The terrorists are a creation of the Illuminati.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:29 pm
Religious dillusions are believing in a retarded old man who invented evolution after being commisioned by the communists to facilitate communism and all its repugnant spin offs.
You have not and can not refuute anything I have said, the proofs and evidences I bring, as a matter of fact , you admit that you. like pol pot…hate intelligence.
You have nothing to say to me, you are out of your leaque, there is nothing aussie about you other than you come from a country of cowards that are notorious for beating their beutiful women, that’s why they run off with American servicemen. You are useless.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:31 pm
Given that Ronald Reagan was a stooge of the Roman Catholic Pope, this all makes sense to me now.
Kenneth! What’s the frequency, Kenneth!
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:33 pm
The TERRORISTS ARE THE ILLUMINATI! Let’s not forget that!
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:49 pm
I am calling my grandfather up and tell im to beat the shit out of him
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:11 am
I wonder how long people actually think thugs will be able to run up to the avergae US citizen, piss on their pants or spit on them.
Run away and throw a cop in you face and use le-gal, to thwort you avengment against the bully?
And still be able to maintain respect for the law?
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:17 am
the clash of civilaztions by huntington was brought to fruitition from 911 “attacks” i never put that together till now, man that is so right , looks like the public policy planners from the US believed that the time for some trump card to hold against the world, and ave the people fall in behind them.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:43 am
to #80 ben, running around with video cameras is exactly the spark america needs, going solo, playing the fool sends a powerful message (to me at least) if its done properly, demonstrates that seeking truth and justice is not exclusively the role of the organized institution…it is the role of the individual. Unfortunately, im the minority on this one, whereas i feel comforted when one person speaks out, others feel comforted when a large group speaks out. You’re damn right that majority opinion is the only thing sheeple respond to nowadays. My concern is that, as a group gets larger, it becomes easier to manipulate up to and including this website: infowars. ahem.
But what this brave soul did for the 911 truth movement, Mr. Red Dawn is doing the same thing for anti-truth movement. He’s one person, he’s god damned annoying, but you definitely gotta confront him eventually if he continues to use up space. peace.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:07 am
Great article Mr Watson.
Will be copy/pasting many points you laid down.
Zinn=garbage.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:37 am
It seems there has always been a government conspiracy.
Unlike most, this one became immediately obvious.
The background of the main people involved, not to mention they put in writting the need for it all to take shape with the help of a terrorist attack on American soil.
But, we are possibly looking, right now, the end of the world as we know it.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:47 am
We all know Zinn means well. I personally think his dillusions are sourced to partisanship–he perceives 9/11 truth as being right-wing.
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:01 am
#4: Damn!!!!!!What else is there to say??? AUSSIE #68: That’s outta’ the park Aussie!!! HooRoo to you, and all the best!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:26 am
Aussie: #71: “Frinds”…What you think??? Anyhow this IS NOT going away!!! WTC 7 kills the entire day!!! WTF Over??? Ohio Plate WTC 7!!! “All ‘HAIL’ Thermal Expansion!!!”
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:09 am
Kalrabbi is right, many of these left gatekeepers are still obsessed with the whole left wing right wing thing, which is part of the elites divide and conquer strategy.
911 has every significance, because we wouldn’t have had all the bad things that have happened in the world for the past 8 years without it. Zinn is totally wrong with his opinion.
November 23rd, 2008 at 6:54 am
the old boy is too old and insane for me to give him any credit.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:46 am
Howard Zinn is not smart at all and is no more anti-war icon, thats because he really don’t understand why the wars were ignited and on what basis. The investigation on the tragic event of 9.11 is a must and those who were involved in must be brought to the justice.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:48 am
Its so clear the neo conservatives, the filthy rats of the N W O, the pro of zionist all over the world were literally involved on the tragic event of 9.11.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:33 am
More thoughts. It appears that either Howard Zinn and Noam Chomsky are part of the left wing of the false political paradigm or are making sure they keep their talking engagements, thus income. No matter if the Reichstag fire of 1933 was a inside job or not, this was a pivotal moment in the history of Nazi Germany.
Howard Zinn goes on to say that both the JFK assassination and 9/11 are two moments in history that will never be fully known. According to him the JFK assassination has no “practical political significance.” I think you better stop your work Howard since your words are becoming insignificant and meaningless.
I see that the only political thinker worth anything is Lyndon LaRouche.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Jd5uaScAUSQ
Look at this video you elite NWO scum. Look at this video Kevin Rudd or Barack Obama. It is with your ignorance and stupidity that many people worldwide are getting angry. The world indeed deserves to be told the absolute truth and nothing less. Al Qeada is not a real terrorist organization and any laws that came about due to 9/11 attacks are illegal. Any torture, murder, police brutality, rape or deaths (due to war on terror) are crimes against humanity. Any person who are compliant or facilitated in allowing these crimes to happen are guilty of crimes against humanity. Unlike the Nuremberg trails, no one will escape their guilt for these crimes.
On with the revolution.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:40 am
Although I have great respect for our elders, they just dont get it. They’re scared to say anything lest they lose their little professor jobs with their little debt based Federal Reserve Note pensions.
With all due respect, they’ll be dead soon.
No one under 45 thinks 911 truth has no practical political significance.
Truth is comin, like it or not.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 am
hahahah, kudos to the lyndon larouche link, at the very least, he’s able to see past the bickering that goes on in senate concerning the bailout.
guy 1: you NEEEED to pass this bill..or else CHAOS!
guy 2: don’t do it, our national debt is already high enough, 700 billion is a big number.
Asshole politicians. im sick of their brand of rhetoric. lyndon larouche is right, a great summary in his opening words, “if you go with the bailout bill, you’re going to destroy the united states in short order through hyper-inflation”.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:36 am
hahahah, kudos to the lyndon larouche link, at the very least, he’s able to see past the bickering that goes on in senate concerning the bailout.
guy 1: you NEEEED to pass this bill..or else CHAOS!
guy 2: don’t do it, our national debt is already high enough, 700 billion is a big number.
Asshole politicians. im sick of their brand of rhetoric. lyndon larouche is right, a great summary in his opening words, “if you go with the bailout bill, you’re going to destroy the united states in short order through hyper-inflation”..
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:30 am
Lyndon Larouche and others knew then and still know now what the grave consequences will become. Unfortunately, more then the majority of people still have no clue who these people that have the knowledge, those scholars who have been warning us, really are. They have not the slightest clue. There information comes from the mainstream media or from ordinary people who get all there information, from you guessed it, the mainstream media. Even some of the educated people who think they know it all and are on the right track have completely missed the train and continue to do so while insisting to climb on the ignorant express. There are only a handful of people that have the capacity to research, to understand and to use there own minds and to see beneath the surface of things. When I learn that a person is still in the kindergarten level on the subject of world events, history, corporate elitists and Goverments, I don’t even bother to waste my breath any loinger. If you are still in the infant stage in today’s world, with all that’s happening before your eyes and ears, you are a big stooge that has little or no chance at all to listen to what is being said leave alone figuring anything out on your own. It is useless. It is what it is !
November 23rd, 2008 at 11:54 am
9-11 is the key to the end of the hijacking of the human race, by the age old conspiracy of the thousands yrs.old one world under total control by pyschopathetic subhuman satanists,this is the same transgenerational crew, network of secrete sciocities, who brought us ww1 and its initiating events,ww2/ the a-bomb,the assinations,all of them,from,ferdinand to the 3 ks, m.x.and every other since,murders everywhere now, just look. 1929, and 2009,the sub wars like v.n.,korea, kosovo,desert storm etal.oaklahoma city,waco,palestine today,.. live television,9-11 and everything since and what they have in store at this juncture,it is the key, the gate keepers know it,the brainwashed,doing more brainwashing,those who won’t touch it are speaking as loud as those who would try to play it off as insignificant,fear etched faces and voices,watch them turn red,scared. it ends when they are arrested,procecuted and given there dues, then…never again,forever. great artical s.w. send it out everywhere,send it viral, the cowards behind all this have been seen, now for holding them accountable, and ridding our race of this scourage for good.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:13 pm
howard zinn can think what he wants… i’m sure lots of us disagree and that is good!
i think 9/11 should never be dropped! nor should ok city… uss liberty… or any of the shit our own govt has done to us!! never let it go! never!
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:37 pm
well this zinn character sounds kind of dumb to me.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I think that to an extent mr Zinn is right .there is alot of energy wasted on 9/11.the truth is that people who still believe the .gov line will ,most likely, always believe it. the total truth of the matter will always be unclear/debated. a large number of people were awakened by the truth movement,though many just fit it into their particular preset political beliefs,people are starting to get a little tired(bored maybe?) of hearing about it repeatedly.there are enough other things happening ,that are more readily apparent,to wake people .example-the bail out .look at things like cerberus -it owns gmac,chrysler,and several of the largest firearm manufacturers in the us(ones that make ar15s that have been on backorder for months,)what are their nwo connections.things like firearm and accsessory websites having direct connections to .gov sites(per siteadvisor).the 911 movethe truth movement makes us look like one issue people when that is the furthest from the truth
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:43 pm
I think what Howard Zinn is trying to get people to understand is that while the masses of people are focousing their attention on the past, i.e. 9/11. The powers to be are moving ahead with out much resistance because of it. Yes I agree that their is more to the 9/11 event then has been told or that is known and that the truth needs to be known exposed to the world. I garee, Howard Zinn agrees, who wouldn’t agree? That being said. everyone know the powers to be are moving forward in their fight on new battle fronts, While the masses of their only resistances is focused on 9/11 instid of 11/24/08. What do we want to do? complain about 9/11 while we are being loaded into box cars. Is it fear that carues this? Who will be the first to start useing the word .
“Enemy” Why not complain about Pearl Harber too? JFK etc. talkers and doers. people need to organize and focus on 11/23/08. What is happening today. the things that are happening today are bringing the masses closer to being hauled off to camps then anything. It’s a good think our forefathers realized this. That’s what they wanted to get away from and why they moved to America. When the events of the day becane to much, they did something, and it wasn’t complaing about the past. The information about 9/11 is out there, getting those that took part to admit it will never happen. You see, in their minds they are doing right. Unit on todays events, organize for tomarro’s events. That should be the focus of our attention.. So say Howard Zinn. Fill the streets with people. Look at what smaller countries are doing. The ones that haven’t been shot at anyway. Maybe that is the fear Americans have. Being killed for prostesting. Certenly from being out numbered. No one want to be standing along complaining about the concitions we are being forced to live under. Ther fear it will get worce if they complain to much, much less organize or unit!
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:53 pm
So you’ve violated my free speech yet again. What I wrote was nothing but complimentary of Steve. And you wonder why so many people like me don’t trust you when you do things like carry out selective freedom of speech and censorship? Where do they get you moderators from, “al-CIA-duh” and/or the “Federal Bureau of Inherent-Traitors”?! COMPLETELY, AND IMMEDIATELY, STOP ALL OF THE CENSORSHIP AND VIOLATION(S) OF FREE SPEECH… NOW!!
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:04 pm
How many people know who Howard Zinn is? He’s one of the few who has experiance in organizing and knows the power of it. It stopped the Veitnam war. Civil rights protest. Crap folks he was there. want to know more.. you got a computer. look him up . read some of his books.. PLEASE..
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:37 pm
“Dusty Roads”, I HAVE read some of his books, and they were excellent! But his saying 9-11 supposedly doesn’t matter is MAJOR! A major traitorous contradiction and shirking of our True American Patiotic DUTY; and it shows that he’s NOT a true Patriot. You see, these Marxists get confused, just as they did in the not so distant past when they ended up bringing about totalitarianism. True, Marx WASN’T for totalitarianism, but Marxists end up evilly compromising in one way or another, just as most people do, and they end up supporting anti-God, anti-world, anti-American insanity, just as Zinn and his ilk are doing NOW by their leading a huge “base” of theirs to not support the completely and truly patriotic movement of 9-11 Truth. He’s an anti-Christian, after all, so it really isn’t surprising that he would do such; BUT THERE’S NO JUSTIFIED EXCUSE(S) FOR IT!
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:57 pm
I should have said, “confused” AND DECEIVED. When people deny God, they are bound to become more and more confused and deceived, to deny God and other truths more and more, and to end up going more and more the way(s) of evil, just as their lord and master, Evil, wants them to be and/or do. There’s only the narrow, “God’s way or the highway”, or the wide way that leads to complete deception and destruction, and there’s only those two choices also. There’s no middle ground. No being halfway evil and halfway with God. People are either TRULY 100% for God, or they are for Evil. And, if they haven’t already, they’ve got to make a choice between One or the other. It looks to me like Zinn and his kind, like Chomsky, etc., have already made that choice; so we should reject them and have little or nothing to do with them anymore.
Because, if they’ve made that choice, they’ve rejected God; and, as a result, God has had no choice but to reject them. Those who are Truly 100% for God will do the same.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Howard Zinn …you just sold your soul to satan.
9/11 is the linchpin.
So much so that if all people were to know the truth about 9/11, martial law would be (more) enforced: All by design.
“The trurth will set you free” or as the evil controllers designed it:
“The truth will get you locked up in jail”
Prison with or without walls?
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:08 pm
I agree with this article, but, hey, lay off Kerouac man! Hehe….no, seriously, Kerouac understood what liberty is, unlike the aging liberal hippy douches that swarm coffee houses across Amerika.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:20 pm
I think Zinn means well. If you read his comments, he is not saying that there isn’t an issue surrounding 9/11. What he is saying is that it is over, and done with. We can’t go back in time and change it, and politicians are not interested in investigating it in any real capacity. There is no way they wil come out and admit they are involved, and with king pins in the media like O’Reilly controlling the stream of debate, the chances are even less. As time moves on the events of that day will grow more remote from the issues of this day and the truth movement risks becoming isolated.
We therefore should not take our eyes off the ball. Sure investigate 9/11 tell people the theories behind the government involvement, but don’t let it become your only outlet.
If things get worst (which I believe they will) we need to concentrate on resistence and mutual aid.
Whilst 9/11 may have been the catalyst for current events, had it not been 9/11 it would have been something else. The core problem is rested within the system being perputrated by elites rather then the individual actions they use to achieve it.
Things like the Fed, the endless wars, government gerrymandering with business (see Black water etc.) and so on and so forth.
Disagree with him by all means but realise, if we all infight over single issues e.g. 9/11, Healthcare etc. then divided we will fall.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:35 pm
So this guy is just putting the blame on the Bush administration. What an idiot. It goes further than just the government. It would have to for it to be pulled off.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
So this guy is just putting the blame on the Bush administration. What an idiot. It goes further than just the government. It would have to for it to be pulled off.
He is just another schill.
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:48 pm
We need to move on from 911 just like we did the Holocaust. Why should we care about what Hilter did? Who cares? Its in the past and we need to move on. Sure something bad happened but why should we focus on it, its outcomes, how it happened, or what that results were from Hilter taking power.
Also….since we are now moving on from past events…lets move on from Christianity. Who cares what happened in the past. Its over. So what if some guy came down from the heavens and said he was the son of God….so what? Move on. Get over it. From what I’ve heard, just like 911, there will be another son and another tragic event just like what happened. In fact, why dont we ignore ALL history and harm anyone who ever brings up the past?
November 24th, 2008 at 12:07 am
HOWARD ZINN IS AWESOME! SUPER GREAT, CLEAR-HEADED, BRILLIANT MAN !
He’s right. There is no way what happened on 911 will be definitively revealed and the people who carried it out caught and jailed. Just won’t happen. So pouring energies into that is a waste of time, like he says. It’s like the debate over the Twin Towers, if they were controlled demolition (which seems like they were to me, but I’m no engineer) or not — it doesn’t matter. They fell. Arguing over why they fell is doing nothing to stop the biggest economic heist in American history with this bailout, nor doing anything to stop poverty, etc, etc.
When WE ARE CHANGE gets out there and starts doing things to defend the poor, takes action against draconian laws instead of just pointing video cameras and shouting at politicians… then we’ll see some real change. What WE ARE CHANGE has done is impressive, I admire the guts and courage they display, but it’s not the same as working in a soup kitchen, or raising money with a rock concert or bake sale to help fight illiteracy, or stop bad draconian laws by organizing huge rallies, etc.
I recommend highly that WE ARE CHANGE and INFO WARS read a very good book:
THE ACTIVIST’S HANDBOOK by Randy Shaw
Real change happens when grass roots organizations and individual people take action and make that change happen. Power doesn’t change by changing the top structures, because the top structures don’t want to change and will resist doing so at all costs. But when millions of people on their own take action it creates a collective force that even those in the top-most structures cannot avoid being swayed by.
Peace!
November 24th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Howard Zinn is one of the few real patriots there are, in a very healthy sense. What I don’t like about some of the comments on INFOWARS that I see all to often are things like: He or she doesn’t think or believe exactly as I do, therefore they must be evil! They must have sold their souls to the Devil! Ridiculous!
REMEMBER: WHERE EVERYONE THINKS THE SAME THEY DON’T THINK MUCH AT ALL!
November 24th, 2008 at 12:17 am
The people in the audience clapping for Mr Zinn should feel proud about themselves cheering for a criminal,traitor that just spit on 3000 dead people!!
OH!! YOUR SO TRENDY AND COOL!! lOOK AT THEM FOLLOWING THE SHEEPLE TO THE DICTATORSHIP!
November 24th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Thanks, President Bush – you’ve kept us safe since 9/11.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:16 am
ZINN = ZERO authority….OR ACTUALLY:
zinn = LESS than zero authority! z-e-r-0.
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November 24th, 2008 at 3:36 am
ZINN = ZER0.
zinn = zero = LESS than zer0.
November 24th, 2008 at 3:54 am
THANKS, PRESIDENT BUSH FOR 911 AND TURNING OUR REPUBLIC INTO A BANKRUPT E. GERMANY STASI STATE.
November 24th, 2008 at 7:51 am
“I don’t know enough about it (the 9/11 conspiracy) and the truth is I don’t much care, that’s past.”
If Zinn doesn’t care about the past, why in the world did he compile four or five books detailing various
“people’s” histories of the united states? Are the only important historical matters those that happened decades ago…the ones that seemingly have no bearing on today? I can’t believe someone I once respected as a “historian” would actually make those statements. I await his next book which will either be about NOW (oh crap, it already passed), or a “predictive people’s prophecy” of the united states. What a douche.
November 24th, 2008 at 9:55 am
Bullshit!
November 24th, 2008 at 10:14 am
excellent article, tho it saddens me to read that zinn, chomsky, and vidal hold these views
November 24th, 2008 at 10:55 am
Yah, Dennis, it blew my mind that Vidal’s part of that! I thought he was NOT in avoidance and denial about 9-11 truth. But, he’s anti-Christian too, so it really shouldn’t surprise me at all. What a tool he is.
Jason, VERY well said! And very good point(s)! If Zinn lives much longer in the “natural evolution” of things as it is now, I can just imagine him writing a new “People’s History”, supposedly bringing us more up to date, where he just brushes over 9-11, the “New Pearl Harbor”, a cataclysmic event that, as so many others here who aren’t in avoidance and denial of facts about this matter have said, has turned the once freest nation on earth into a fascist police state that is becoming worse and worse on a daily basis, and is very quickly leading to the Catholic, one-world government “Neo-Inquisition” and slave state that’s going to make the one of hundreds of years ago pale by comparison! And “how dare I blaspheme against the great and powerful Catholic Church”, the non-benign, extremely evil worldwide cult that has been deceiving a majority of the world for over 1,500 years! God please deliver us all from all of this mass-insanity, and help us individually to stand up against it’s Satanic enslavement even if we have to die in the process!
But, please, Dear Lord, help us to be completely right with You before we are murdered by this Satanic worldwide mass-insanity, so that after the final Judgment, we are not destroyed along with them!
People, we are a PROTESTANT nation (a nation of protest against and separation from Catholicism) from our inception (for very good good reason[s]), with Protestant laws requiring and supposed to not allow us to be enslaved by them like most of the rest of the world. Let us continue to be “Protest-ant”, stand up against their extreme evil and counterfeit(s) of Christianity, continue to resist it, and let us continue to stand up as the proud Protestants that we are supposed to be, without fail, no matter what, with God’s help!…
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Everyone who is seeking to be nothing but on the right side, with God and not without Him, hang in there; for, if you are so, God IS with you and will help… IS helping… you! With God, all things are possible!
Without Him, forget it.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Zinn tells is like it is. He seems at least open and honest enough, to tells it like he sees it. I think what he is saying, is “yes”, there are a lot of unanswered questions, and their was corruption, but much like events in the past (there are many mysteries in world history), sometimes we cant change the outcome. With the new administration coming in… Who are you going to shout at? Im not discrediting people who want to find out the truth. It just seems like it will become harder and harder to blame any specific person, In a few years. much like Zinn said of the JFK story.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
~Looks like fresh meat for We Are Change..lol
~Hey Howard…. well make you famous.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
#122 JASON, good point. PALM TRALL and CITIZEN Z, no substance, all emotional dribble.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
In a way the old man is right. Right now 9/11 has no political significance. The liberals have found their savior in Obama and the neocons have always dismissed “truthers”. The fact of the matter is that the vast majority of the pathetic masses simply don’t give a shit and they never will. As the years pass, 9/11 will have less and less impact on the lives of the sheep as they struggle to find enough food to stuff into their pieholes. Why would Mr. Zinn give a rats ass anyway? He’s 900 years old, for chrissake!
November 25th, 2008 at 9:01 am
“kindness begets kindness” and FALSE FLAG BEGETS FLASE FLAG. For those of you who say Zinn is right – 911 is the past, then you are just writing the blank cheque for the next false flag event. And at the risk of sounding like a hater, may it land right on your doorstep, or maybe the doorstep of your father, mother, son or daughter. Maybe then you’ll change your apathetic viewpoint.
The people of the US do not have a 2nd amendment because the founding fathers liked the look of black steel hanging from their belts. Guns, like public hangings, serve as a deterrent. If you do not prosecute the perpetrators of 911, then you’re inviting the criminals to do it again. They did benefit from it after all.
When does it stop? Golf of Tomken, JFK, 911, ???. When does it stop? When YOU make it stop.
Pure logic. Nothing complex about it.
November 25th, 2008 at 11:13 am
A Historian saying he doesnt care about the past. What self serving double think.
November 25th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
So right, “J” and “Zepa21″!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
9/11 was an inside job…. There is so much evidence. That being said, I would not be able to personally prove it if asked to do so in an academic environment. I would be able to raise questions, but not give answers. Interestingly enough, the questions raised can be just as valuable as the various forms of proof floating around. An issue raising questions, shows where there is a lack of information, a disconnect between what has been observed, and one’s understanding of the world. The questions raised at least point to a serious schism between our conditioning and our observations.
For me, that was what was instrumental in my waking-up. I didn’t just one day decide that we were controlled by international bankers. My observations about money, status, society, options, disenfranchisement, etc. stretching back to my childhood brought me to a point where the concept of the official 9/11 story was mutually exclusive with my understanding of the world. That was in about 2004. Even though I was not “awake” before that, I understood much of what people would think of as part of the Patriot/ Truth movement.
For me, 9/11 truth is the tip of the iceberg, and as such it doesn’t make sense to spend so much time on it. I understand that it is necessary to understand what happened, but believe that we never truly will. We should continue to fight the global bankers through peaceful means, stand up for our sovereignty though civil disobedience of laws that violate it, and prepare by getting off the grid. 9/11 will always be a tragedy, but unfortunately, it was only the opening salvo and we need to focus on the task at hand.