Edward Snowden said that from contacts he has had with those in the White House and in President Obama’s orbit, “we’ve come to understand that [Obama] was personally wounded as a result of these disclosures,” which prompted Snowden to seek asylum outside the country.

This revelation was made during the question and answer portion of Snowden’s keynote address at Estoril Conference on migration on Tuesday.

Snowden also addressed the notion of President Obama pardoning him. Based on communications he had with Obama’s White House and those in the former president’s orbit, Snowden realized he would not receive a pardon because the information Snowden leaked significantly damaged Obama’s legacy.

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