INTERVIEWS CHARLTON HESTON
TRANSCRIPT FROM THE ALEX JONES SHOW 1/18/01
crisis with power outages out in California. Amazing...
and the state is now wanting to completely take over the power industry,
then they'll be able to jack up the prices to whatever level they wish.
Governor Davis, yesterday, ordered that power be turned off in several
cities. In fact, M2ktalk streams for about four or five different radio
networks... of course we're the biggest amount of the streaming they do.
They were running off of generators for almost up to three hours yesterday.
If Rod at M2KTALK.COM wouldn't of had generators, all of these different
patriot networks would have be down... would have been off.
And remember CNN, two days ago? On Monday? They said, "Oh.. the power
outage problem...", "Um... yes, not having enough power... it's the fault
of the Internet, and there may need to be regulations...", "The people
are using too much power on their computers."
Funny, a computer uses about the same amount of power as a TV, but they
didn't mention those TV's. No, no... keep watching THAT, as we tell you
computer is evil. Keep watching television... we'll tell you to turn your
guns in. Yes, yes... put you're children on Ritalin. Oohh....
And they actually mentioned Internet service providers. They actually
mentioned um... Silicon Valley, where they manufacture computer chips
other little delicacies of the information age... and they were going
absolutely ape. In fact, I'll dig that CNN story back out, a little bit
in this hour, after we're done talking to Charlton Heston.
I'll tell you... it is absolutely amazing... the different developments,
we are seeing in the world today.
We also have a Commanche patriot... a professor... a Yale graduate in
divinity studies, saying that the New World Order is taking over the country,
and that he's a patriot, and that "red, white and blue" is much better
than what he sees coming down the pike... and that he's willing to fight.
And of course, he is a professor up in Oklahoma, at Oklahoma State University.
So, more and more people ARE waking up.
We also have CNN, today, pushing Biometrics... how wonderful they are.
Retina scanning... thumb scanning... hand scanning... face scanning...
and how it's going to put in EVERYWHERE in our society... for our security,
(We have a) big show today, ladies and gentleman. We've got Mr. Heston
coming up later... and we've got all of this important news, and then
in the second hour we have Dr. Eugene Schroeder --"Constitution: Fact
Or Fiction", for you.
All this and a lot more, so keep it locked in. This is Genesis
in association with LibertyWorks
Radio Network. I'm Alex Jones and you know my website... It's INFOWARS.COM.
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JONES: That's right, ladies and gentleman. Welcome back to the show. (Where
to begin?) Well, we might as well jump into this whole power crisis going
on out in California... and it IS stage managed. This is from ABCNEWS.COM...
all of it is up on INFOWARS.COM:
"CALIFORNIA OFFICALS IMPOSE ROLLING BLACKOUTS"
"For the first time in the state's month long energy crisis, officials
power companies to shutoff electricity to parts of California."
Now... ladies and gentlemen. Remember, that the state governments, and
county governments of California (and city governments), own most of the
stock in the power companies in their state. So... this the left hand...
you know, trying to scold the other hand. It's a fraud... training the
public that they can jack up prices.
"After weeks of warnings, rolling blackouts became a reality for California
residents today, when regulators ordered utility companies to turn off
power to thousands of people, in parts of the state. The blackouts were
ordered shortly before noon --local time, in areas of northern and central
California and effected between 200,000 and 500,00 Pacific Gas and Electric
Company (PG&E) customers in the San Francisco area, and thousands
more in Sacramento, Pedesto, and Kurloch(?), California"
And then it goes on to list other areas.
The servers that stream the audio for Internet listeners of this radio
and there are tens of thousands of them logging on... it's (they
have) pretty good servers there, and like... three or four T-1's to stream
all out to you. They just turned the power for almost three or four hours,
yesterday... and luckily the folks at M2KTALK.COM that do the streaming
Genesis Broadcasting, were able to go on backup power with generators.
But in the last few weeks, there have been other power blackouts, actually
at the facility that streams out from there. We've been off the air on
Internet. So, if you hear us off the air for three hours here, three hours
there, when we've never really had any problems in the past, you can be
assured that it's our loving friends of Governor Gray Davis, out in
(It's) just amazing... to watch the developments out there, as the state
begins to squeeze the power companies in an effort to ensure that they
jack up prices in the future... just like the phony energy crisis of the
nineteen-seventies in this country. And, now the history on that is
And now, for our esteemed guest, Charlton Heston... and he really is THE
Hollywood icon, in the world today. He is probably the most recognized
person, other than presidents or other top politicians, like British prime
ministers or something... and I don't say that lightly. I mean, everyone
knows who Charlton Heston is, and it really made the socialists, in the
culture wars, as Mr. Heston calls it, angry when he stepped up to the
a couple of years ago, back into the second amendment fight... and now
new book is amazing, "The Courage To Be Free".
Mr. Heston? Thank you, for joining us today.
HESTON: Well, thank you for loaning me your audience. It's a pleasure
talk to you.
JONES: You bet. Why did you decide to get back really involved in the
second amendment fight at the forefront, and write this new book, "The
Courage To Be Free" ?
HESTON: Well, of course I've been involved with the second amendment,
you could say, since I was a little kid shooting deer up in Michigan.
But, then I
became involved more seriously with the Bill of Rights... and I came to
the importance of defending every article... all twelve articles of the
of Rights. Of which, the Second is the right to keep and bear arms. And,
we've had a lot of success with it in the last election.
There's an interesting thing... The president, last April... felt this
be a good time to take down the NRA, and he made a couple of brief radio
addresses about it and so on, and then he realized it wasn't going to
so he abandoned it. And, of course what he didn't realize, as we found
ourselves rather amazed to find, when I was campaigning through what?
...eight different states and several different cities.
The.. and what the president had not realized is... not just the NRA...
NRA has what? ...just under five thousands members. I'm sorry... five
million. And, we campaigned on this issue, in part because, of course,
as again, the president did not realize that an overwhelming proportion
people in this country are hunters. Of course they are... this is hunting
country. The whole continent is a hunting continent. Except for New York
and LA, of course... heh, heh.
JONES: Yeah, those basic...
HESTON: ...and we had enormous guests. We would gather crowds... at Flint,
Michigan, I think, was the biggest one. We had a rally at seven o'clock
the morning... which meant people had to... who were going to work of
course... driving to work, had to get up at six o'clock, and we had some
thousand people in several different venues. And, in every case the second
amendment won the day. It was quite surprising, I have to say.
JONES: Well, we see the mainstream media... the controlled propaganda
arms, is what I call them, and I think they've shown themselves to deserve
that title... convincing a lot of people, that the average American isn't
the second amendment. But, if you can explain to people the basics,
of how it's there to defend us from the street thugs, the government thug,
to put food on the table, not to mention, just as a sporting enjoyment
heritage, most people are actually for it.
John Ashcroft, right now... they're trying to confirm him. I think he
be a good...
HESTON: I think he... I think he will be confirmed. I think he'll make
attorney general... certainly a far better one than Janet Reno.
JONES: Absolutely. That wouldn't be too hard to do. Mr. Kennedy, who I
really don't think has any room to talk, with all the skeletons in his
closet, began to attack...
HESTON: There is no one in the U.S. Senate who has more skeletons in his
closet than... than Kennedy. He should be ashamed of himself. He really
should. I worked for his older brother. I voted for him. I campaigned
him, and... but, Teddy Kennedy is another piece of work entirely.
But, anyway... to return to this question of the second amendment... There
are, for example, forty one states that have conceal carry laws, meaning
that if you pass a background check, show that you've had no felony convictions
of any kind... Show that you, ah.... demonstrate to use the firearm safely...
You can then get a permit to carry a concealed "carry weapon", under you
arm or where ever. And, that's something I don't want to do, because I
don't feel it's... I've used too many pistols in too many movies. They're
kind of heavy to carry... but, anyway the point is that in every one of
the forty states that have conceal carry laws...
One, The murder rate... the crime rate... Two, nevermind the murder rate...
the crime rate has dropped significantly... significantly in every one
those states. Why? Because of course, most people who have this permit
don't carry all the time. But, the point is, the bad guys don't know who's
carrying and who isn't. Then, of course you don't even have to carry then.
JONES: Again, ladies and gentlemen, we're talking to Charlton Heston...
his new book... we'll tell you how to get it in just a second, "The Courage
To Be Free". It's powerful... I read half of it this morning...
HESTON: Well, thank you.
JONES: ...and yesterday. But, going back to the Ashcroft thing, because
ties into the second amendment...
HESTON: It does, indeed.
JONES: ...Kennedy attacked him on the second amendment, because of course,
Ashcroft is pro second amendment... pro constitution... Bill of Rights,
and he said, "How dare you say that these guns are here to protect from
tyranny in government?"
Well, it turned out that Ashcroft's actual quote was basically paraphrasing
Thomas Jefferson. So how dare Kennedy? Any comments on that?
HESTON: Ah, you know... I have to say, as much as I admire his big brother,
Teddy Kennedy is one of the worse members of the U.S. Senate. I really
that, and I'm... He shoots his mouth off, and he has the right to... he's
U.S. Senator, but he is not good one.
JONES: Well, I think they show their hatred for the second amendment.
You talk about a culture war a lot... in your newest book and of course,
eloquent speeches... I almost fell over, when I saw you on one the NRA
shows, when you said, "You can take it from my cold dead hands...", and
raised up that musket.
HESTON: Yeah, oh... that musket? Yes, that worked out very well. T think,
you know... I could give you any number of examples. For example, do you
know the largest and fastest growing group of purchasers of small handguns,
in the country? Single women... Of course.
They're women with permanently absent husbands, who have two or three
kids they're trying to support. They want to spend some time with them,
so that means they have to be there when they get home from school. Which
means they have to work... make a living... because the husband is long
gone... by cleaning office buildings until three or four o'clock in the
morning, and then they ride the bus, within three or four blocks of where
But, then they have to walk those last few blocks in the dark, all by
themselves. Of course they want a small pistol in their purse.
JONES: ...and how dare this corrupt government... those running it, especially
the democrats... tell women, they don't have that right. I'm sure you've
heard of the solicitor general, who said the second amendment, Mr. Heston,
does not extend to individuals.
HESTON: Yes, I've read that, and of course that's not true. Every one
founding fathers --those wise old dead white guys that invented the country...
every one of them is elaborately on record at the time, about the importance
of the second amendment and the meaning of the second amendment. It is
simply impossible to deny that, and the efforts of the anti-gun mob, are
JONES: You're talking about the Federalist Papers documenting the true
HESTON: Yes, of course. And, the Bill of Rights itself, and the Federalist
Papers. But, also while they were drafting the Bill of Rights, they went...
they wrote... every one of them wrote papers on this, as you've said,
the Federalist Papers...
JONES: Mr. Heston, I know you are incredibly busy... we've got a real
three minute break right here... if you can stay with us, I want to...
HESTON: Sure, I'm here... I'm fine.
JONES: Fantastic... I want to tell folks how to get, "The Courage To Be
Free". And, if every one of you out there doesn't get in the fight like
Mr. Heston has done, for the second amendment, we're going to lose it,
and eh... well, we know who was for gun control: Hitler... Stalin.. Mao...
you name it.
I want to bring up that historical fact to Mr. Heston, who has lived through
quite a few decades, watching tyrants, globally.
We'll be right back... this is Genesis and the Liberty Works Radio Network...
Stay with us.
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JONES: Alright... we're back live, ladies and gentlemen, and one of our
show hosts, Dave Von Kliest just called in, and said he'd be happy to
his song... its awesome, "You Can Take It From My Cold Dead Hands". (We'll)
probably have to send Mr. Heston a copy of that.
We're talking to Charlton Heston... His new book, "The Courage To Be Free",
and right now, I'm going to tell you how to get it, ladies and gentlemen.
really need to order this book. You need to... after you're done reading
you need to pass it on to friends.
It's a toll free number to call... To order the book:
or go to the website... it's one word:
Now going to go back to Mr. Heston, who really needs no introduction.
Tyranny... I mean, isn't that one of the strongest arguments against gun
control and restricting...
HESTON: Absolutely. If... and I'm so glad you asked me that question.
Because if we consider that our revolution was the first and most significant...
close (closest) to a democratic government, since the founding of the
Then following our revolution, successful.. was the French Revolution
quickly collapsed into the bloody terror, followed by dictatorship of
Napoleon, followed in due time by the dictatorships of Hitler and Mussolini
and Stalin, and mind you, both... two of those men... both Hitler and
Mussolini were elected by democratic procedure.
And then we get to Pol Pott and Laurent Cavilla, who was killed just the
before yesterday, I believe... I think God will not miss him. And um...
Tse Tsung and of course, Fidel Castro.
And, everyone of these monsters... and I think it's fair to call them
every one of them... the first thing they did when they took office was
confiscate all privately held firearms. Ah... the defense rests.
JONES: Absolutely, Mr. Heston. Again, Charelton Heston, ladies and gentlemen.
In fact, I've looked at the actual numbers, and um... accountants, and
others have... and the states with the highest taxes have the most egregious
gun control. I don't think that's an accident.
HESTON: No, I don't think so, either. It's the firm intent of the "liberal
left"... no question.
JONES: Well, how can they even get away with the term, "liberal", meaning
they're into freedom. I see the so-called "liberal left", militarizing
police, building prisons everywhere, and going after good people's guns.
HESTON: Well, of course originally, the idea of being a liberal meant
concern for the rights of the individual. Now, it doesn't mean anything
that. Now, it means the rights of the government. And, we have to constantly
stand against that.
JONES: Well, the left has really had a problem coming after you, because
on the subject of eh... you know, the God given rights of black people
country, you were right out there at the forefront, fighting... When there
were real environmental problems, you were out there at the forefront,
fighting. And, now they're like, "What is Heston doing?", "He's out there
fighting for the second amendment!", "How dare him?".
I actually saw some guys on one of the big classic movie shows, bad mouthing
you before they aired "Soylent Green", which is one of my favorites.
HESTON: Well, there you go. But, I have to tell you, the other day on
Luther King day, I was invited by C.O.R.E., to attend their banquet, and
I was the principle speaker, and they gave me a bust of Dr. King, which
spent as much time as I was able to do with him, I'm very proud to have.
JONES: So, it's very hard for them to attack your record. I mean, this
is another human right... to be able to defend ourselves.
HESTON: Absolutely. It is certainly among the first of human rights.
JONES: Again folks, the book, "The Courage To Be Free"... the website,
"TheCourageToBeFree.Com". That's one word, "TheCourageToBeFree.Com".
When we come back in the next segment Mr. Heston will have left us, but
give you the number again to get the book and I imagine it's in all the
bookstores, or should be.
Last question... Where do you see the fight going in the next two years?
think it's critical, if the socialists, --known as the democrats, win
of the House and the Senate. We could even... in four years, have a Gentleman
Bill in the White House with Hillary as the president.
HESTON: No, we couldn't get Mr. Clinton back... that would be against
22nd amendment, but he'll still be back in the White House as
the "First Gentleman"... See the joke?
HESTON: Yeah... Do you think Mrs. Clinton can be elected? I don't think
JONES: I'm not sure.
HESTON: Well, we're going to have to work on that, aren't we?
JONES: Well we certainly are. In fact, I have to tell you, Mr. Heston,
glad to see the NRA getting more hard core.
HESTON: Well, we've got to do it. It's too important. We've tried to keep
out of that fight. But think this last election has proved that it was
important to stay with it. Every American should vote.
JONES: I've seen one of your news shows on, where you admit that on the
UN and others, are involved actively, internationally to get our guns.
HESTON: Yeah... oh, yes indeed. Absolutely.
JONES: Well, Mr. Heston, God bless for joining us, and I appreciate your
fight for people's rights. I know you will continue, and eh... best of
HESTON: Well, thank you for loaning me your audience. It's been pleasure
and a privilege.
JONES: God bless you, sir.
HESTON: And you...
JONES: We'll be right back.
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